Now wait one minute...
As a Raider fan, I want nothing more than what's good for the team, and moves made in the best interest of the team are more important than looking good for the media. This is why, as a fan, I can no longer be upset with Al Davis, based on the press conference from yesterday and the horrible feeling that interview with Lane Kiffin gave me. Personally, I feel that there are a lot of things that are about to happen, and that this move may have been better for the team overall.

Now, no one is going to dispute that Lane Kiffin came into this franchise at one of (if not the) lowest point in it's storied history. He took a team that had clearly earned the right to the number 1 draft pick, and started the process of turning them around. This is where we have this idea of Lane Kiffin that may have clouded our judgement in this whole mess. I have a few laid out points that I feel people should consider before jumping in with Kiffin, and when determining the truth of Al's words versus what we've seen from Kiffin.
Exhibit 1: The duality of Kiffin in his approach to media distractions
I know people are going to say "what duality?" But bear with me, it came to me pretty quickly during the whole Mortenson thing and it just bugged me to investigate it a little bit. Lane Kiffin was always about not letting distractions bother the team, or so he said around the time that these Davis vs Kiffin storylines started to pop up. But when you look at the truth of the matter, who ended up in front of the media talking about this player or that player, the lack of moves in the front office, overpaying a player, etc. Kiffin was the first to talk about not being distraction, but also the first one to be a distraction through his words to the media.
Exhibit 2: Our opinion of Kiffin may be swayed easily by the timing of his hire.
Lane Kiffin was hired after the dismal, horrible Art Shell 2006 Raiders ended their sham of a season. There were very limited high points in that season, mainly that the defense didn't exactly lay down and that we pretty much could do better with anyone else at the helm than Shell. Enter: Lane Kiffin.
Not only did he deliver results with virtually the same team, he won a whole two more games than in 2006, and to this win starved fan base, that was enough to make Kiffin good as gold, and raise expectations this year. This upswell of popularity hid a few of the misgivings about Kiffin (his age, and the aforementioned duality), and almost served to shield him from blame in this whole mess.
Exhibit 3: The interview with Lane Kiffin on ESPN
This, in my opinion, is where it all went bad for Lane. He first, went for the emotional sway, by bringing up how hard it was for him and his family to go through all of this, and how they could hardly stomach the press conference and all of the things that were said. He also prefaced this a week or so ago by saying that this stress was hard on his pregnant wife. Well, this is an oft-used tactic of manipulators. They play on your emotions to get you to believe what they want you to believe, or sway you a certain way. I was almost instantly put off by that, and that he went to that rather than completely answer the question asked by Trey Wingo.
Now, the one answer that gets me is when Wingo asked about Al completely contradicting Kiffin's allegations that he hasn't talked to Al personally since before Denver on Monday night. Kiffin totally and completely dodged that question on TV, and I think that he was avoiding a lie on TV that could be used against him if he decides to sue for his unpaid contract money. It showed, in my mind, a bit of maneuvering on the part of Kiffin.
If all of the things Al Davis said were true (the recordings could be shown in court) then not only was Kiffin a two-faced manipulator, then he was also responsible for his own failures by neglecting the whole of his responsibility as a head coach. If Kiffin has been lying about not being in on defensive meetings, or not having a say in what players are signed/drafted (Russell notwithstanding), or whether or not he and Davis have spoken about anything...then Kiffin was truly dooming his self to lose all the way around.
The only bright spot in all of this is that a capable assistant, Tom Cable, is now the head coach of the Oakland Raiders on an interim basis. He has his goal and the strength to see it through. I doubt the offensive scheme will change much, but the playcalling will. He also has an idea about what it takes to win, and is committed to seeing this team return to the past greatness. This is good for the team, and provided that he doesn't let the O-Line slip any because of his promotion, this should be good.
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Very well put!
I have been saying all along that Kiffin is a self-serving media manipulator. And for Al to straight-up call him a liar in the setting that it was, would be slander if not supported by facts, which it was.
Kiffin, on the other hand, as you pointed out from his ESPN interview, clearly side stepped the direct Trey Wingo question. That was quite indicative of who the real liar is in all of this. In my opinion, Kiffin was caught dead-to-right lying and being a liar. with that, anything he says can’t be believed or relied upon.
The Kiffin firing was inevitable and I was hoping all along for Tom Cable who has the right approach and the true look/mentality of a head coach.
I think the Raiders will be all the better for this and that will show in New Orleans.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Oct 1, 2008 5:37 AM PDT 0 recs
Al would never lie to get out of paying a contract!!! Al is a phuckin GENIOUS
who will lead the Raiders to the promised land along with Cable!!!
by Bacon on Oct 1, 2008 7:30 AM PDT 0 recs
noo way
no good coach would want to play for al. Al is a retard isn’t that evidenced by all the over priced players he brought in this year?
by Joe_D on
Oct 1, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
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Committed,
Nice article. Good points. I think a lot of us looked at Lane in rose colored glasses. After Art Shell and bed and breakfast boy went 2-14 our hopes were high.
Your take on the Lane interview is spot on!
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by sabp on Oct 1, 2008 9:55 AM PDT 0 recs
Kiffin's "Duality"...
…is better described as sophomoric or being the “wise fool”. Kiffin pushed the envelope as far as he could and his “blunt honesty” was truthful at certain times and manipulative at others.
I still think he has a bright future but needs more nurturing when he resumes a head coach’s position. This experience in Oakland will ultimately him mature. WIth that said, good luck to Cable I think we can expect 3-5 more wins in Oakland this season, just hard to say how much of that will be due to his leadership.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
by Gerard on Oct 1, 2008 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs
I expect around 12 more wins with Cable at the helm. Also, there's only one leader of this
franchise, and that’s MR. DAVIS!!!!
by Bacon on
Oct 1, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
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Spot On!
I could not have agreed more…when I saw him “answer” that question…..I knew he had been caught in a snare! Do you think Al would document and present his evidence if it were untrue? …not if he wants to win in court! What happen to Kiffin’s press conference where he was going to tell his side…oops! I am excited about the new direction….Now lets kick some you know what!
Raiders for Life!
by blazersrock on Oct 1, 2008 12:22 PM PDT 0 recs
Ok... explain this one.
Al said that he sent the letter to Kiffin, by FedEx, and he also saud he handed it to him at the airport…
Am I the only one confused? Sounds like someone couldn’t even get there 4 week prepared rehearsal story correct for his own press conference.
by DeadDrunk on Oct 1, 2008 12:27 PM PDT 0 recs
Really?
If you read the letter, it states" Delivered by Hand AND by FEDEX". This was a letter delivered for legal purposes and there was nothing unusual about the method.
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by TheRaiderWay on
Oct 1, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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12 wins huh?
So that means he will be your Head Coach for 3 years?
by Papamag on
Oct 1, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
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It is really funny
how the haters love to come arround and bash Davis. I don’t mind Raiders fans doing it because we have invested time, money, energy and more money in being Raiders fans than anyone. I admit that I get pissed at bad coaching, bad choices Al makes and all that but you would think that haters would be indiferent or actually glad that the team is followed by controversy. I think what really bothers them is after we go through a time like this we will still be Raiders fans and we will still have optimism about our team!
I look forward to seeing new play calling and how things change under Cable.
GO RAIDERS!!!!
I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!
by sabp on Oct 1, 2008 2:45 PM PDT 0 recs
As a bronco fan...
I’m very interesting in pretty much all the teams, especially the AFC West. I think when the AFC west is the best division in football, it’s better for all the team in the division. Don’t get me wrong., I want my broncos to win, but if I had to choose between the Chargers and the Raiders… lets just say I was rooting for you as I watched the game this last weekend. ( Oh and the 70+/- yr field goal try.. that was Ausome, I just wish he made it)
And my previous question about the letter, I didn’t Read the letter, I just watched the press conference, and he said it was fedexed, then a couple min later he said and when i handed him the letter, never stated he did both, which in hindsight makes perfect sense.
I still think Al Davis is the worst thing for your team. The Broncos defense hasn’t gelled yet because we switch Coordinators every year or 2, and does anyone really not understand why the raiders haven’t gelled when they go through a new Head Coach every year or 2?
by DeadDrunk on
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Davis mentioned it but
the press is much more interested in bashing Al so they didn’t talk about it. The relationship went south when two months into last season Kiffin was mentioned as a candidate for Arkansas. But it wasn’t just that Kiffin was mentioned, he was interested in going, in fact, he wanted to go. Now the mistake Al made is that he should have let him go right then, instead Al fumed about it, and then the Ryan firing etc.
I have no respect for the media, they prefer to bash Al rather than do a reasoned examination of the facts. What would happen in Miami if the coach fired the defensive coordinator without telling Parcells? The press loves Parcell so the coach would get pilloried. As pointed out by another writer on this post, when Kiffin mentioned the other day he wasn’t going to talk about his conversations with Al, I realized for the first time Kiffin had been lying about the communication. He said he had none with Al since August, so if that was true, all he would have to say is that I haven’t talked or heard from Al since then, easy answer. Al was very, very specific on the issues which leads me to believe he was telling the truth, he mentioned which players Kiffin didn’t have input on, (Wilson) and which he did, (everybody else.) He said Kiffin had input on defense and even called the defenses he wanted, Kiffin said he had no input. Ryan could clear that one up, and I assume Ryan would back Al, of course, I wouldn’t put all that much weight on that. He is well documented now that Kiffin ordered Hansen to remove himself from the team and get a physical which Hansen very forcefully called Kiffin out on. Kiffin supposedly got overruled on Russell, not a big deal, he manned up and coached Russell. I suspect that goes on all the time over draft picks. Kiffin cut Crockett which pissed Davis off, but he allowed it so Kiffin won the battle, lost the war.
by Laoren on Oct 1, 2008 4:13 PM PDT 0 recs
With all due respect to your article i think your drinking a little to much Al Davis cool-aid, Mr Davis HAS ruined a once proud franchise with his jealousy, backstabbing and mistrust of the coaches he has hired. I’ll admit that Kiffin handled this entire situation badly, but the team did play hard for him and there was progress,in spite of Rob Ryan, as long as Davis is in control there will be no stability in the organization which it badly needs. (sorry Jamarcus)The Raiders under Davis have become a joke in the sports world even worse than the Clippers. He needs to go! Also Tom Cable qualified please, 11-35 record at Idaho (what a powerhouse) its laughable another kiss ass for Davis i give him the rest of the year then he’ll sue for the remainder of his contract when he gets fired.What a bush league organization.
by alzado77 on Oct 1, 2008 4:35 PM PDT 0 recs
ALL RAIDERS UP IN HERE FOOL
Read this beezyz comment if you want to know how other real pussy fans in the NFL think….
-WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE!!!!-
by 8fog3town1 on
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Raiders fans, this is a must read!
From Tim Kawakami’s taliking points coulnmn…..fucking beautiful stuff!!!!!
by mrod on Oct 1, 2008 5:05 PM PDT 0 recs
halirious
the only people who support al davis are raider’s fans. i dont get it, this guy is killing your franchise and you love him.
by Joe_D on Oct 1, 2008 5:17 PM PDT 0 recs
I could listen to that...
stuff all day. Al is very funny. His mind doesn’t move fast enough anymore for him to be covering something up. He just tells it how he sees it. Who knows if it is what really happened. Perception is reality. It doesn’t matter.
Everyone wondered why he sold “stock” in the Raiders last year. Was he leveraging the team to get those expensive players bla bla bla. Just ask him. He did it to screw the government out of estate tax. To set up his family for the best possible death tax. You know if I shit money like he does, I would worry about may not getting enough when I go too.
Haters make what they want out of stuff. I lost the link but John Madden had a great take on all this. If I find it I will post it.
I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!
by sabp on Oct 1, 2008 5:35 PM PDT 0 recs
oops
trying to do too many things at once. Let me say that again…If I shit money like Al does I would want to set my family up the best way I could.
I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!
by sabp on Oct 1, 2008 5:42 PM PDT 0 recs
There is only one manipulater in the Raiders
and it’s Al Davis. For years Al has been a paranoid fool, suing people left and right, riffling through coaches, players, front office personel, and cities that he sees as disloyal. Al has made mistake after mistake, in every facet of the game, and has done nothing but hurt the Raiders over the past 15 years.
And what conclusion do you come to? That Lane was manipulating Al. That Lane wanted to get fired and was trying to tear the team apart from the inside. Why in the world would Lane want to leave an NFL head coaching job? Why would he try to get fired? To go to Arkansas? If you truely believe that then the situation is even worse for Al. When you’re so disfunctional, so inept, that your coach is trying to fire YOU so he can get out of the NFL and go back to the NCAA you have some serious problems.
Defending Al needs to stop. Talking about what he did 20+ years ago needs to stop. Blaming eveyone except the man making the decisions needs to stop. The Raiders will always be the laughing stock of the league as long as Al Davis is in charge.
by RaiderPete on Oct 1, 2008 6:13 PM PDT 0 recs
Why would Lane want to leave the NFL for NCAA?
How many NFL coaches have left and went back to NCAA teams? You know I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count all of them. I have seen it tons of times. I’ll get you a list if you really can’t think of any…He came from USC for gods sakes. He was used to winning year after year and he was idiot enough to think that it was him and not Pete Carrol that is the reason USC is so damn good. He wanted an easy job that pays close to the same amount of money. After a million a freakin year it is all the same to me. Being a coach in the NFL for a team that went 2-14 has got to be more difficult than anyone would have expected. It is a lot easier to coach young guys than ego full adults with huge contracts. He wasn’t cut out for it and he knew it. He made a choice to come to the Raiders as head coach and he regreted it.
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by sabp on
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Pete Carrol failed in the NFL
Coaches that leave the NFL for the NCAA leave because they’re no longer welcome in the NFL. Nobody engages in a massive conspiracy to get themselves fired to leave the NFL. Unless of course they work for the Raiders. You’re absolutely right he regretted taking the Raider job. The ineptness and malice in that organization is unparralleled.
And again, if Lane was such a bad coach, if Lane was so unprepared, then why did Al hire him? Al assembled this bad team, Al hired Lane, and Al sabotaged Lane. When one man makes every decision there is only one man to blame.
by RaiderPete on
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after
shanahan, gruden, and others, its just hard not to take kiffins side. he is pretty likeable to me. He was put in almost an impossible situation. What other franchise does crap like this happen to? even if kiffin didn’t handle it perfectly, shit maybe he handled it poorly, i think the blame is most likely on Davis why this didn’t work out.
by Agent Zero on Oct 1, 2008 8:11 PM PDT 0 recs
I was reluctant to comment on
this because I hadn’t seen the press conference yet but after watching iit last night on youtube I was intrigued. This was a very impressive performance on Davis’ part. How much of it I believe I don’t know. We all believed the president when he said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Davis is no Bush and Kiffin is not Saddam, but you see what I’m getting at. This is not settled and the truth will all come out eventually. Al Davis said he called out his players. Ok I played football in high school and basketball in high school and the collegiate level and my coaches have called me out many times what coach hasn’t. This is another form of motivation. Also the players loved playing for Kiffin here are some quotes I saw from yahoo sports:
So why fire him? Did the locker room hate him (as you’d think they might, if you believe the claims in Al Davis’s insane letter blasting Kiffin for being critical of individual players)? I don’t know. Let’s ask linebacker Kirk Morrison, via ESPN’s Chris Mortensen:
“Kirk Morrison said the players in this locker room want to play for this coach [Kiffin]; want to play hard for this coach. Observers who have been at the practices see that. And certainly, it was reflected in the way they were competitive.”
Don’t believe Morrison? Alright, let’s ask Nnamdi Asomugha, who made an appearance on the NFL Network yesterday afternoon:
“It definitely wasn’t a split locker room. I think pretty much the majority of the locker room wanted Lane there. A lot of the guys really appreciated what Lane did when he came in, and tried to change the culture; the losing culture that we’ve had that past few years. Guys were really on board with him.”
Kiffin is a good coach, yes he’s young but let’s not put this on him. We have been consistently bad over the decades. Who is at fault for this mess if the coaches change every other year but management stays the same? I know Al want’s to win and he is taking the right steps because he did say he wanted to hire someone for the football operations (as long as it isn’t Matt Millen).
by Raider76 on Oct 2, 2008 1:11 PM PDT 0 recs
Kiffin
Will be missed. Much Love.
Wack To Mack With The General and The Back. (J-Mac and D-Mac)
by Rayder K on Oct 2, 2008 4:11 PM PDT 0 recs
Well, I thought there was a hope for the Raider Nation when a
few fans came to realize how insane Al Davis is. Now they seem to reverting back to “Way to go Al” again. Wake up! 20-67 since 2003…Kiffin was not the problem! What excuses are you going to make when this next coach gets fired by Al Davis? The Oakland Raiders are a laughing stock. The rest of the NFL is snickering and the butt of every joke is the Raiders…how sad. How far this organization has fallen…it will take decades to repair the damage Al Davis has done in just 5 years. Sad…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on Oct 3, 2008 11:18 AM PDT 0 recs
Win a Super Bowl
without cheating, then win another before the Raiders do and then you can talk. Your team was 0 for 4 Super Bowl losers before Shannarat had to cheat and play with the salary cap to have the money to pay for the extra players that you would not have had otherwise to “win” those 2 Super Bowls. That…is sad.
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by TheRaiderWay on
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The cheating talk is bull
We can’t talk trash right now, not after our owner just went on television and proved how senile he is. Some stupid mistakes with the salary cap doesn’t compare to what the Raiders have endured with Al at the helm the last 15 years.
by RaiderPete on
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Before people start labeling me as an Al Davis apologist one post into my “career” here, let me say that I took the time out to say IF Al is telling the truth, then I’m behind him on this one, and the exhibits are there as more of a devil’s advocate to some of our more staunch Lane Kiffin fans.
So, no, I’m not apologizing for Al, nor covering for Al. But if he’s telling the truth, then he was right to make the decision.
"..what you mean? I'm a legend like Kareem!"
by CommittedToExcellence on Oct 3, 2008 3:49 PM PDT 0 recs
No need to explain yourself
for the post. Everyone is not going to agree with each other if they did this would be a horrible fan site. We all have opinions and you voicing yours actually got alot of responses which is good for our community. It was a well written post eventhough I didn’t agree with you. Don’t trip just keep posting.
by Raider76 on
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Why?
is everybody against kiffin? do we fail to recognize that he got the most out of a team that wasnt exactly built to succeed. overpriced number 1 reciever, (basically) rookie qb, no true good recievers, how could we be dissoppointed with the results. how could we question play calling when we kno there are no reliable recievers to make plays for us wen the team is tryn to protect leads in the 4th quarter? the logical move is to run (with the “good” running game people are saying they need to be using) and kill as much clock as possible. shouldnt we really be questioning the excution of the offense. if they are able to get 1 maybe 2 first downs the defense will get the rest to be able to be affective, or run the clock out. the team obviously liked kiffin and wanted to keep playing for him. al is mad because lane is complaining about injustices that he has actually suffered. with the way the defense gave up on the team last year and the year before is it really far fetched to ask for a change in coordinator when maybe, in retrospect, it was necessary. lane wasn’t given ample opportunity to finish rebuilding when he was handed a team that was 2-14, its obvious that that isnt a1 year fix. with obvious signs of an improving team and the well known fact that many young teams struggle to finish games. there is no doubt in my mind that this team was headed in the right direction and they wanted to play for lane. instead we fire him and hire a man who was coaching the offensive line that has underperformed the last 3-4 years and expect a turn around. al continues to baffle me with his decisions. i wish lane the best and hate the feeling that this is shanahan or gruden all over again. fire a guy wen with a little better execution late in games he could hav been 3-1 going into the bye week and atop the afc west, easily
by thebitb on Oct 5, 2008 1:25 AM PDT 0 recs
Only problem is that we didn’t give them a chance to prove themselves and make one or more of the receivers step up. Instead, we had the coach downing his number one guy after the guy was robbed and beaten (which makes no sense considering that of all the things that people should be doing in that situation, questioning the judgment should come way way way later). Then further had the compunction to continue to down the guy (which I think was a part of his distaste for Walker’s contract)…I think that Kiffin got results from this team, but there were many many opportunities to do better.
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by CommittedToExcellence on
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walker's contract
was obviously the worst decision of the offseason. griping about that should not be held against lane. losing to the undefeated bills on the east coast and a chargers team with the weapons they have is nothing to hang your head about. the lack of reliable recievers is killing the team and lane obviously didnt agree that walker would be the man to fill that void. those millions and millions of dollars could have been spent elsewhere and gotten something worth the value. any coach would be upset at what lane was given as a number 1 reciever.
by thebitb on Oct 5, 2008 2:15 PM PDT 0 recs








