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Raiders-Ravens: A Look Back

Hey everyone, this is my first post on Silver and Black Pride. Just a quick background; my family's fandom goes back to 1960, and I have been attending games since 1974. I have held season tickets for the last eleven years. And while this might be the kind of information you can find on the team website, I tend to add a personal twist. So without further ado:

The Raiders-Ravens rivalry is a short one, but hasn't exactly worked out well for the Silver & Black. Baltimore has won three of four regular season games, plus a certain playoff contest that I am certain most of us would like to forget.

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It was on September 1, 1996 that the Baltimore Ravens played their very first game and, as fate would have it, it was against our very own Oakland Raiders.  From the Scaramento Bee:

Today's season opener between the Oakland Raiders and Baltimore Ravens is all about renewal. For the Ravens, last year's struggling Cleveland Browns, it is a chance to make a fresh start with a new coach in an old NFL city accustomed to success.

For the Raiders, it is a new start with the same coach and 17 new players trying to remedy some familiar old problems.

Thanks to a pair of touchdown passes from Billy Joe Hobert to Tim Brown, the Raiders took a 14-7 lead into halftime.  But while Oakland's offense sputtered, the Ravens drew close on two third-quarter Matt Stover field-goals, and finally took the lead on Earnest Byner's 1-yard run halfway through the final quarter. 64,124 fans went home happy as the Ravens prevailed 19-14.

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Earnest Byner fights for yardage against the Raiders in the Ravens' first game.
(Photo courtesy of Jamd)

The teams battled again in Week 9 of the 1998 season, again at Baltimore.  As it was the first time around, this was a closely-contested game, with the Ravens jumping out in front on Rod Woodson's 18-yard interception return for a touchdown. Both clubs kicked second-quarter field goals, but after a scoreless third, Donald Hollis found Rickey Dudley for a five-yard score to tie things up at 10. The Ravens, as they did in their first meeting, laughed last, as Matt Stover's 30-yard field goal put Baltimore ahead to stay, 13-10.

It was on my Dad's 69th birthday (Jan 14, 2001) that the Raiders hosted the Ravens for the AFC Championship.  Both teams had gone 12-4 during the regular season, but while Oakland celebrated another AFC West crown, Baltimore settled for a wild-card berth. I remember watching the Ravens play the Titans in the divisional playoffs the week before, thinking "If Baltimore wins, we get the title game at home!" That's what I get for thinking. With the Ravens on a roll having disposed of Denver and Tennessee, the Raiders had no chance.  After a scoreless first quarter, Baltimore was backed up on its own 4-yard line.  With a deafening crowd roaring their Raiders on, Shannon Sharpe silenced the Silver-and-Black clad masses with this:

(via sportsguy83)

Talk about a punch in the stomach.

After that, it was all over but the crying with the Ravens' defense stifling Jon Gruden's vaunted offense.  And adding injury to insult was Tony Siragusa making a pancake out of Rich Gannon's right shoulder. Baltimore won 16-3, and two weeks later were crowned as Super Bowl champions.

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Rich Gannon lies on the field in pain in the AFC title game, Jan 14, 2001.

By the time the Raiders earned a chance for revenge, they were a shadow of their fomrer selves. It came in Week 15 of the 2003 season. The Ravens were headed back to the playoffs, the Raiders to a 4-12 campaign. But on this day, Oakland was the better team. The Raiders jumped out to a 17-6 haltime lead, and handed Baltimore a 20-12 defeat. It was three years too late, and it came at the end of a lousy season, but it felt good to finally beat these guys.

The teams were even further apart in talent when they met in Week 2 of the 2006 season. Baltimore finished 13-3 that year; Oakland 2-14.  That disparity showed on the field on the Ravens' home turf, a 28-6 mauling of our once-proud Raiders.

And on Sunday they meet again, in a venue where the Silver & Black has yet to win. Will it be more of the same, or will the Raiders write a new, happy ending?
  

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Man, I remember that

game in 2001 like it was yesterday… I sat there with my 7 year old brother, I was 11 and I was super crying, because my hopes were so high that I would finally see the Raiders in a Superbowl… I can’t forgive the Ravens for that one… especially the Hated Shannon Sharpe…. I hate him with such a passion…. hopefully the Raiders can pull of this win though…. I believe that the Ravens along with the Chiefs and the Texans and Jaguars, are the only teams that have winning records against us… so I hope that the Raiders’ put a W in the Win column against the Ravens…

I like to believe my best HITS border on Felonious ASSAULT
-Jack Tatum

by DarksideJU08 on Oct 22, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember how deflating that day was

I wouldn’t mind the Goose sitting his fat ass on Gannon right now though

Play more Conan!

by oaklandSMASH on Oct 23, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a Fantastic Piece:

Thank you for adding the class that you bring to AN. It is instantly promoted.

Cheers,

Saint

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Oct 22, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Saint

Much appreciated.

Hey, does anyone recall a little controversy from the ‘98 game? (With the Raiders, ins’t there always)?

My cousin and I were talking about it this morning. One play involved Hollis crossing the goal-line but not being called a TD, and another play at the end where the Ravens had 12 men on the field. Or so we remember.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I pretty much Only recall:

Anthony Doorsett waving to Shanon Sharpe’s backside at the Coliseum. I can’t recall as far back as 1998.

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Oct 22, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the memories

I remember jumping up and down, hitting my head on the ceiling when Sharp broke free to score in the AFC Championship Game (obviously, I’m a Ravens fan!). That season, once we got a 10 point lead, it was “game over” and the same thing happened in the Super Bowl, as that team’s defense was legendary and absolutely was good enough to win games for us. This year is not nearly the same, but they are still pretty much the class of the league, perhaps along with the Titans, Steelers and maybe even the Bucs. I was also at the first Ravens game ever and have missed very few as a season ticket holder since day one. I went to my first road game this past Sunday to see us win in Miami and would be surprised not to see us defend our turf, as coming east is a tall task for Oakland.

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 22, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

These were surely fonder memories for you.

But I can’t just weed out the bad and tell about the good, right? It would have made for a much shorter story if I had. No question it will be an upset to beat the Ravens over there, but it’s already been a crazy season, so the Raiders might as well add to it with a win.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

We've already seen enough...

…to know that anything can happen. This is certainly not a sure thing, if anything in this crazy season has been?

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 22, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Every time I see him making sideline reports for Fox, I want to puke.

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Oct 22, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta love him...

…on DIY Network’s “Man Caves!”

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 22, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hurts even to think about it.

It was the dirtiest, cheapest hit/sumo body slam I’ve ever seen. I can only imagine how much he’d be fined if he had to play in a Goodell era NFL.

That’s the worst part, our best teams were in 2000-2001, but we made the 2002 Super Bowl and got our hats handed to us. Screwed by Snow Job/Tuck Rule in 2000, screwed by Sira….Sira…nope can’t say his name…in 2001.

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Oct 22, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even I felt that hit...

…on Gannon. Can you imagine what it felt like to have a 340 fat man fall on you at that angle. Lucky he wasn’t flattened like Inspector Gadget! I don’t think he was badly hurt, just scared about it happening again by Goose, or don’t forget his partner, Sam Adams!

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 22, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he was hurt badly

Goose broke Gannon’s collarbone and knocked him out of the game. Raiders offense wasn’t the same for the rest of the game.

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Oct 22, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sharpe's catch

Not crying over spilled milk cause the ravens probably still would have won. They were the best team that year but on that catch that sharpe made, Marquez Pope was so blatantly held that it was rediculous and one more thing, Andre Rison caught a td later that game but the refs called it offensive pass interference. Oh well, goes with the territory of being a Raider fan.

by NTRaider428 on Oct 22, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

The 2001 AFC championship game

This was one day after little Miss specialK was born, so I was pretty much dazed from the events of childbirth (not nearly as much as Mrs doctorK, of course). The game result was pretty much forgotten by me the next day when it was determined the our baby had a cleft palate, which started us on her medical (and eventually special-ed) journey.

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Oct 22, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Talk about putting things in erspective

Hope all is working out. Good luck w/ the kid.

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 22, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks 67- awesome

I remember all those games well. I have pictures from that first game sitting on my shelf..I sat behind the band on the one yard line during those days at Memorial Stadium. The constant up and down of the band drove everyone crazy. We ended up using the tuba openings as targets for peanuts. I won’t miss those metal bleachers and tiny bathrooms at Memorial. Remember the real classics between the Baltimore Colts and Raiders there. Wow. Always a mud bath.

by raven on Oct 22, 2008 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

One of my fondest memories...

..was the 1970 AFC Championship Game when the Baltimore Colts defeated the Oakland Raiders 27-17 at Memorial Stadium. I remember sitting on those freezing metal bleachers, having to stomp down the snow to find a place to put my frozen feet. I don’t remember much of the game in specific, other than George Blanda coming in to play QB after the outcome had been decided, and throwing a TD pass. I think he was around 47 years old at that time, and looked older than that.

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 23, 2008 5:55 AM PDT reply actions  

This wasn't supposed to turn into

a Rexx walk-down-memory-lane post ;)

And now you bring the Colts into it, too? Hey, Ghost to the Post, man!

Seriously though, people forget that the Raiders lost six consecutive AFC Championship Games to the eventual Super Bowl winner: Jets (‘68 season), Chiefs (’69), Colts (‘70), Dolphins (’73), Steelers (‘74 & ’75). And we haven’t even mentioned the Franco Bowl in ‘72 (a mere divisional playoff game). But imagine a team coming that close every year in the ESPN/sports talk show era? Pyschoanalysts would have a field day. And with the Raiders it wasn’t a certain team (well it kind of was with Pittsburgh), it was just that damn hump they couldn’t get over. Six times in eight years? Ouch.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 23, 2008 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ghost to the Post

Ouch. thank god I wasn’t there, but had it tuned in on my AM transistor radio. I was a huge Raider fan in the dark period, when we didn’t have a team in Baltimore (‘84-’95). I still have my Raiders sweats and loved the old rivalry games with the Steelers in the ’70’s. At the same time, the brutal games against the Chiefs were old school to its finest. I recall Chief’s MLB Willie Lanier breaking Fred Belitnikoff’s facemask, yet Fred held onto the ball (can you say, “stickum?”).

Sorry but the memories came flooding back. That’s what us old folks only have left in our miserable lives!

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 23, 2008 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Great Post

And I don’t mean “Ghost to the Post” though that was obviously great as well. I’m glad you’re posting here, since your AN posts always make great reads. As for that ‘01 AFC championship game, I also remember thinking that when the Ravens beat the Titans in Tenn that we had ’em right where we wanted them. That was one of those years when you knew that the real championship game wasn’t the Super Bowl, it was the AFC game, and WE WERE HOSTING IT! I was so damn excited. That long Sharpe touchdown certainly hurt, but it wasn’t til Siragusa flopped on Gannon that I got the feeling we weren’t coming back. I’m at the point now where I don’t hold it against Siragusa so much ’cause he was just helping his team by using his natural big ass-ets. But I did enjoy the Spike Lee movie " 25th Hour" in which Siragusa, playing the role of a gangster who had turned police informant, was found out and then rubbed out. That made me feel a little better.

by guapobob on Oct 24, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Goose was also on The Sopranos.

What a perfect body and accent for that role, eh?

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 25, 2008 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks guapobob

Hehe, I forgot about Goose’s role in 25th Hour. Maybe Spike Lee is really a Raider fan, and he finally found a way to get his revenge.

I agree about that game. That touchdown came early enough to make me feel we still had a chance. Of course, that have been the beer talking.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 25, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

2001

After we had four shutouts that season and manage to win two of five when we couldn’t even score on TD, I knew if we scored 10 points, it would be over. It was in this game and again in the Super Bowl, when we went up by 10 by the half. If by some strange chance we go up by 10, it will be over this year as well. Oaklnad is not a come from behind team.

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 25, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

So far

We’ve been more of a come-from-ahead-to-lose team.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 25, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're not alone

The Ravens have perfected the art of “stealing defeat from the jaws of victory!” My favorite Ravens cliche’.

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 26, 2008 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

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