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Oakland Raiders News: Game Planning For The Saints

LiveAdam and I started comparing notes last night, so I figured that we should start a thread for all of us that saw New Orleans last night or that want to look up stats to help form the perfect game plan for Sunday's game.

 

LiveAdam:

- Big question: Do you punt to Reggie Bush? Kiffin and special teams coach Brian Schneider dared Devin Hester to beat them last year and covered him well. I say give Lechler and Branch at least one opportunity to knock Bush in the mouth, but depending on the situation, punt it out of bounds.

- Also, Reggie Bush has a serious case of fumblitis. The back 7 need to hit him hard and try to knock that ball loose.

- Vikings had more success running between the tackles than running to the edge. Even without Sedrick Ellis, the Saints D-line did an admirable job in stopping Peterson and Taylor.

- Play action: The Saints had 8 men in the box for a significant number of plays to stop Peterson/Taylor. If they game plan the same way for us there should be ample opportunities to throw with play action.

 

Saint:

- For starters, Drew Brees likes to throw at the blitz. Every time the Vikes blitzed he looked for the receiver on the blitz side first, usually Bush out of the backfield. That should be something that the Raider’s quick secondary and linebackers can take advantage of. By disguising blitzes and knocking Bush on his butt when they do blitz, they should have Drew Brees second guessing by the second quarter.

- Secondly, I think that Thomas Howard should shadow Reggie Bush. Howard has the quickness to keep “near” him and his ball hawking skills may produce a turnover or two. Just as Ryan challenged Huff to take Gates and Gonzalez out of games last season, I'd like to see him challenge Howard this week.

- Finally, the most success that the Vikings had was on deep balls. With the Saints having a VERY thin defensive backfield this will be the game for JaMarcus to go UP TOP JONES to get a lead and then have Smash, Crash and DASH run us to victory. I'd look for Miller in the seam and Schillens and Higgins on deep posts and go routes.

 

The Raider Way:

In the Words of Cable, "Attack, attack attack". The Saints offense while extremely prolific, will be playing right into the Raiders’ defensive strength – SPEED, especially at linebacker.

On offense, the Raiders will have to concentrate on the between the tackles runs which will be best suited for, “crash”, Mr. Fargas. Also, while the Saints did a tremendous job against Peterson, the Vikings do not run the ZBS, and the Saints were very quick to fill the gaps. This Sunday, the ZBS should be able to counter that defense successfully.

 

Silver Shark: (Welcome)

- The Raiders will have to score on defense or special teams, better if both to win in Saintville.

- Do not like going into another teams house while they are on a losing streak. Teams seem to correct their situation when playing the Raiders.

- You have Grant going against cornell Green, and Will Smith going up against Harris. Those match-ups do not fair well in the Raiders favor.

This is not the game to become pass happy as AL Davis wants. We have to utilize the run more than ever. Forget about the saints containing Peterson, that was their game plan on defense to stack the line, and the vikes game plan was to throw. If the Raiders do show they can contain Smith and grant and do an average job against the blitz then yes the passing game could do some damage.

- Saints secondary is weak and they lost Porter for the season. But most of all our defense will have to play all 4 qtr’s at a great level to beat Bree’s and company.

- Both the saints and Raiders could be 3-1 at this point. Should be! We are 7-5-1 against the saints with a tie record playing in New O. 2-2-1<2-1 against them in the month of October. I just have a bad feeling that this game could get out of hand.

- People can say what they want, but the turmoil over the weeks might finally effect this team this week. I fear a 35-10 score. I hope to GOD I am dead wrong! Ryan better have the right game plan for our defense this time. He has Al’s blessing, so Davis can’t blame Kiffin any longer, We shall see! Please Ryan prove Me wrong!!!!!!!!!/em>

 

I'll add more to this front page as they come in. So, what are your keys to defeating the Saints, who are coming off of a short week?

 

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In the words of Cable

Attack, attack attack. The Saints offense while extremely prolific, will be playing right into the Raiders’ defensive strength – SPEED, especially at linebacker.

On offense, the Raiders will have to concentrate on the between the tackles runs which will be best suited for, “crash”, Mr. Fargas. Also, while the Saints did a tremendous job against Peterson, the Vikings do not run the ZBS, and the Saints were very quick to fill the gaps. This Sunday, the ZBS should be able to counter that defense successfully.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Oct 7, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Saint!

This is the second time that my contributions have made the front page, so a big thanks to you Saint! Like you I started out at AN, but its gotten too crazy over there for me, and it was hard to keep track of the A’s in the second half. Who the heck is Josh Outman anyway?

Here is a link to a RealFootball365 article specifically on this issue. Many of the authors notes are the same as ours, though I don’t agree on the “don’t punt to Bush” one. I think we could try and make it the “punt to Bush and force the turnover” goal.

• Watch special teams. The opening kickoff run back 56 yards by Pierre Thomas was frightening enough even before Reggie Bush turned the game into his own personal track meet. However, the Saints had already toted an underrated return game, in fact entering the Monday night game tops in the league in yards per punt return. Though punt returning has been a slightly rare event for New Orleans in 2008, with 10 in five games (and just five such Saint opportunities going into the Vikings game), this will be an area of concern what with the way the Raiders are perpetually going three-and-out this season. Maybe this should be put even simpler, to wit. ..

• Don’t punt it to Bush at all.

• Defend the play-action. This one’s easier said than done, of course, as the Saints may sport the single deadliest tandem on this play with Drew Brees and Bush. Most emblematic of the combo (get to studying this part of the game tape, Cable!) was the call to go for it on fourth-and-1 with just under 5 minutes to play in the second quarter. Bush in the backfield should have made it obvious that the play-action was coming, with Reggie going to the strong side. Maybe it was obvious; no matter. Brees landed the ball in Bush’s hands and he was gone for 15 yards.

• Exploit penalties. In their first three games, the Saints were already being penalized more than five times per game. Game No. 4 saw the whistle blown on New Orleans a whopping 13 times; and on Monday night, the Saints’ double-figure penalties were certainly their undoing against Minnesota throughout in terms of establishing some kind of momentum. Hopefully the bye week will clean up a few problems within the fairly heavily penalized Raiders (30 calls in five games, tied for 14th best) a bit here, because Oakland’s got to win the battle for the referees.

• Force the turnovers. Going into "MNF," New Orleans’ turnover differential was zero. Post-Vikings, that number is minus-4 and the loss made for the second thanks in more than part to costly turnovers. As much as you have to dig Bush’s playing style and versatility, he apparently still has some issues vis-a-vis holding on to the ball. And Brees does throw interceptions (at least one per game thus far into 2008). Is this a chance for DeAngelo Hall to truly redeem himself? Sure, if he remembers how to play underneath.

• Pretty much forget about running off tackle. Adrian Peterson didn’t gain more than 4 yards on a run to the perimeter until the fourth quarter against New Orleans. To be sure, the Saints will be attempting to shut down Darren McFadden in like fashion. Because Justin Fargas returns, why not just have the super-determined cannonball plow through the middle continuously against New Orleans?

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Oct 7, 2008 9:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny Raiders Bumper Sticker

Love this bumper sticker I just saw; it reads “Just WHEN Baby?” … a parody on the Raiders tag line:

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by JoeCar on Oct 7, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To punt or not to Punt!

I think last year we did an excellent job on containing the dangerous Devin Hester. I myself feel he is much better at returning kicks than Bush. I have confidence in Lechler because he kicks them high and gives the coverage team time to get back. On one particular punt last night the kicker kicked a line drive which didn’t give his coverage time to get there. I think we can handle them in that department.

by Raider76 on Oct 7, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was really hoping that NO would win last night

now they will really be fired up. I was expecting Peterson to run wild but much to my surprise they really shit down the run, inside and outside, totally unexpected. Last night was a classic example of something I said a few days ago about throwing deep. You are going to get a pass interference penalty if you do it enough, that won the game last night for Minnesota. There was no chance the pass would be completed but the defensive back mauled the receiver, and there you have it, a simple 30 yd. field goal to win. Most of the time the penalties are not deserved but the offense still gets the call. That has been a failure of the Raiders, they don’t attack long and now they have the QB to do it, and plenty of speed on the flanks, not to mention McFadden racing down field. Make no mistake about it NO is a good team, they should have won in Denver, should have beaten Minn. in fact they should be 3-1.

by Laoren on Oct 7, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Saints no easy task

The Raiders will have to score on defense or special teams, better if both to win in Saintville. Do not like going into another teams house while they are on a losing streak. Teams seem to correct their situation when playing the Raiders. You have Grant going against cornell Green, and Will Smith going up against Harris. Those match-ups do not fair well in the Raiders favor. This is not the game to become pass happy as AL Davis wants. We have to utilize the run more than ever. Forget about the saints containing Peterson, that was their game plan on defense to stack the line, and the vikes game plan was to throw. If the Raiders do show they can contain Smith and grant and do an average job against the blitz then yes the passing game could do some damage. Saints secondary is weak and they lost Porter for the season. But most of all our defense will have to play all 4 qtr’s at a great level to beat Bree’s and company. Both the saints and Raiders could be 3-1 at this point. Should be! We are 7-5-1 against the saints with a tie record playing in New O. 2-2-1<2-1 against them in the month of October. I just have a bad feeling that this game could get out of hand. People can say what they want, but the turmoil over the weeks might finally effect this team this week. I fear a 35-10 score. I hope to GOD I am dead wrong! Ryan better have the right game plan for our defense this time. He has Al’s blessing, so Davis can’t blame Kiffin any longer, We shall see! Please Ryan prove Me wrong!!!!!!!!!/em>

Ghost2thePost

by SilverShark on Oct 8, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

More Thoughts

Nickel defense: The Raiders are going to have to utilize their nickel defense a lot on Sunday, so much so in fact that Ricky Brown may just decide he doesn’t need to get on the plane to New Orleans. This means that Stanford Routt (depending on his health) or Tyvon Branch are going to see plenty of action in the defensive backfield.

Pass rush: The Saints are #1 in the league with 325.8 passing yards/game and #2 in the league with 194 passing attempts. That means that the vaunted Vikings run defense wasn’t the reason the Saints abandoned the running game – they were never really committed to it in the first place (maybe they just wanted to be friends with it.) With Derrick Burgess ailing it will be important for Jay Richardson, Kalimba Edwards, and Trevor Scott (he’s still a Raider right?) to step up and get plenty of pressure on Drew Brees. I like what Edwards has done so far this season, so he may get the start over Richardson on Sunday.

Press coverage: Constant pressure and blitz packages requires press coverage by the defensive backfield – if you bump the wide receiver out of their route in the process of a blitz the ball will come out before the receiver is where they are supposed to be = good things happening. Hopefully Asomugha’s elbow is up to the task and Hall has figured out that he’s played better at the line of the scrimmage rather than 15 yards away from it.

Medium/Deep Passing: MNF taught everyone an important lesson – forcing the issue usually leads to good things, either a long TD pass or pass interference that leads to game winning field goals. The Saints secondary was poor to begin with, and they just lost Tracy Porter for the season. Like Cable has said, we need to take our shots in the passing game, and he’s not talking about dink n’ dunk. Go JaMarcus!

Locker Room: The Saints are pissed about this week’s game. Not sure if it’s a good thing or a bad thing yet. On the one hand they could just go out and take a “we want it more” attitude a la San Diego, where our locker room culture hasn’t gotten to yet. On the other hand the Saints may come out desperate and try to force the issue and make even more mistakes than they did this week. Either way, the Raiders need to know that they are facing a team that is absolutely steaming, and if they don’t come to play at 110% energy they don’t stand a chance.

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Oct 8, 2008 9:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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