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Oakland Raider News: Who Stays and Who Goes, Part 1:

Sadly enough...Raider Brethren... and Sisthren, it has come time, AGAIN, to discuss who STAYS and who GOES, as the Raiders are a heaping mess...Stumbling...Or as Nnamdi ranted about...LAUGHING THEIR WAY to a Top 5 pick!!!

Like I pointed out in last week's game thread...This team needs an enema.

So, Let's start at the top:

Al Davis:

I love Al's passion for the game, He's The King of THE Nation, and he has already pointed out that he will bring in someone in a GM role soon.

If Al remains passionate and continues to be the figurehead while passing along tidbits of info and letting his underlings actually run the day to day operations I think that we will be in a better position.

Options: I don't really have a list of GM candidates, maybe some of you can help me out here. My short list would include Mike Holmgren, Mike Holmgren and Mike Holmgren.

Tom Cable:

I really appreciate his passion as well. I also appreciate him coming in and taking over for that Cry Baby Lane Kiffin, BUT, he is just not a Prime Choice.

His play calling (Fake field goal on 4th and 10 when a field goal gives you the lead), if you can call it that has been atrocious. He is one heckuva O-Line coach, but he is WAY over his head as a Head Coach in this League.

Options: At this point I believe that it is Jim Fassel's job to lose. Fassel's son is already on the staff and I think that Davis wanted Fassel to have a full off-season to build his team as opposed to taking over for Lane mid-stream.

Now, if we do hire a top of the line GM, then he will undoubtedly bring in his team and that could put Fassel on the outs, so there is much to be seen there.

Greg Knapp:

Knapp should not EVER have an Offensive Coordinator job again. Period. he has been stripped of his play calling duties and will now be fired for the 3rd time in 4 seasons. Hit the road Knapp.

Options: Until two weeks ago, I was hoping that we could somehow land Mike Martz. Now that the 49ers have strung together a couple of wins I highly doubt that he would leave for anything short of a Head Coaching job.

Rob Ryan:

Man, it is tough to "really" grade this guy when the offense has been putrid for 3 straight seasons. His defense responds to him and they are hardly at fault for the 3-13 record.

I doubt that Rob will stay past this season, I mean, what free agent would want to stay here?

Options: Keith Millard is an intriguing name to me. He has the experience and is sure to get a D-Coordinator job at some point.

That's all I have for the High Level Coaches...Who are some of your choices for replacements and who else should go?

 

 

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First, Al Davis needs to die. Then, Tom Cable can get the axe. Greg Knapp will probably go to Seattle and join Jim Mora, Jr. and his staff. I wouldn’t mind seeing Rob Ryan go.

by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 10, 2008 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

FRONT OFFICE AND COACHES

Al Davis/General Manager:
With Al Davis as the owner we all know who makes the big decisions and creates the template for the team. Even if he hires a “GM”, that person will likely have about as much power as Brian Cashman does for the Yankees – that is, everything gets run past the Steinbrenners.

The one thing that Cashman does better than anyone for the Raiders is the day-to-day decisions and forcing action by the owner. The Raiders have to be the absolute worst team when it comes to making in-season roster moves, including waiting to IR Javon Walker. This is an area where it is not a good idea to emulate the A’s.

Still, Mike Holmgren might be on your short list, but the Raiders aren’t anywhere near Holmgren’s. Much like our head coaches, Al will pick someone who has worked in a front office before but has never been a general manager before. Still, its progress.

Head Coach
I like Coach Cable’s attitude as well, and he’s an absolute trooper for stepping up and taking such a thankless job, but the deficiencies you pointed out are too much for him to retain his position. He simply has too much on his plate being HC, play-caller, and O-Line coach. The best evidence of this is the fact that the O-line has regressed since he left his O-line coaching position full time. I’d like to see him retained as O-line coach to help continue the O-line’s progression, hopefully with a nice new LT from the draft.

I like Jim Fassel for the job. He has HC experience, is considered a QB guy, and understands the complexities of working for Al Davis and thus cannot plead ignorance when facing such a situation. I don’t like John Harbaugh for the job. Despite “really liking Al Davis”, we really need someone with NFL coaching experience. Since few people that meet that criteria will actually take the job, I’ll go with Fassel.

Offensive Coordinator
Coming in, Knapp was known for operating a strong running game and being overly passive with the passing. Add in Kiffin protecting/choking the life out of (your choice) JaMarcus Russell for a year and a half, and the results have been the same for 2 years now: Top 10 in rushing, absolute bottom in passing. Russell haters will pounce on these stats, and there’s no doubt that he’s been inconsistent, but using the B word is simply ignorant.

Given what has transpired this year it’s obvious that Knapp will not be with the Raiders next year. A name that I’ve mentioned before keeps popping into my head for OC next year: Al Saunders. As the OC for the Rams this year its entirely possible that he gets let go given how poorly the Rams have played. However, Saunders has had success pretty much everywhere he’s been, including running powerful offenses in Kansas City and Washington in the past 8 years.

More importantly, Saunders incorporates things that Al Davis likes (power running, vertical passing game) with things that have proven to work more effectively than others with our current personnel (zone blocking scheme).

The bad news would be that Saunders would bring in his huge new playbook and terminology and hand it over to the youngest QB in the NFL. A challenge – but not impossible.

Defensive Coordinator
Rob Ryan is an interesting guy. He’s fiery, competitive, and has a lineage and heritage of NFL defense. The owner loves him, the players love him, and the fans have a love/hate relationship with him. Rob runs a very simple offense which usually consists of 2-Man Under, WLB Blitz, MLB Blitz, Nickel, and Dime (there were more options on Tecmo Super Bowl). This fact is usually what has fans ripping their hair out, hoping that Ryan would take a page or two out of Steve Spagnolo’s or Jim Johnson’s “Ridiculous Blitzing” defenses. Rob defends himself by stating that such schemes are prone to giving up big plays (he’s stated as much in several press conferences). Yet, the Raiders seem to be able to give up big plays even in 2-Man Under, usually due to poor gap discipline, missed assignments, and poor tackling.

The defense shows moments of being dominating, but the overall numbers don’t seem to match what we see on the field. Still, with the support of the owner and players, it’s hard to see Rob Ryan going anywhere unless he chose to leave.

I’m assuming that Part II is for players, so I’ll hold off on that for now.

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Great Takes:

I forgot about Saunders, whom we lauded for in the off-season.

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Saunders

Our comrades at Turf Show Times seem to think that Saunders is not going to be with the Rams after this season. They do correctly point out that Saunders runs a fairly complex offense, one that our offensive players may not be capable of grasping fully. Still, if Knapp’s gone I’d still like Al to interview…Al.

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Dec 10, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

ummm
Rob runs a very simple offense which usually consists of 2-Man Under, WLB Blitz, MLB Blitz, Nickel, and Dime (there were more options on Tecmo Super Bowl).

offense?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Typo

Obviously a typo on my part.

"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.

by LiveAdam on Dec 11, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Now don't

forget we interviewed him as a HC candidate before we hired Art Shell because he Saunders decided to take his name out of the running.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 10, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Mariucci for head coach

Wack To Mack With The General and The Back. (J-Mac and D-Mac)

by Rayder K on Dec 10, 2008 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think

that woul happen. Though that would be great. He may be the only HC that could be GM also for Oakland.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 10, 2008 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Him as a HC would be great

he doesn’t really semm interested in coaching in da NFL. He thinkin bout coaching college football

Nnamdi Asomugha for '09 Pro Bowl!!!!!!

by Jagjivan on Dec 11, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought about his name

but then I remembered how he let T.O. get in his face and bash his own quarterback (Garcia) constantly. We need a coach that can command respect from his players.

by Raider76 on Dec 15, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be OK w a coaching staff of ...

The Fossill,

Little Al on O

Baby Ryan on D

Only issue would be JMarc being able to understand all 900 pages of the play book.

I propose that the Foss dictates little Al trading some of his offensive plays to PIT for some of their blitz packages. That way our excess could make up for our deficiect.

by Bud Light on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

If I Only Had What I've Read About It To Go On...

Then I’d say that Jamarcus Russell is a hard studier…Kiffin himself said how much he (JaMarcus) would call him on the phone when he was holding out and go over game plans and offensive plays. It was no wonder that they were still in touch after Kiffin was fired.

Then again, how about Belly-Nelly’s Behind the backboard shot? Just You Tube It and I’m sure you’ll find it. Then again, you could go here… http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 10, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand you.

Make up your mind now. Did you or did you not like Kiffin. Funny how some things ended up the way Kiffin wanted them after he left.

I can’t pass judgement on Holmgren because I’ve never seen him be JUST a GM. He had his GM duties stripped while coaching Seattle and got better as a coach. I think the GM/Coach business model is kinda over and thy should be 2 different people.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 10, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

A couple of ideas

I mostly agree with the picks here. I wouilsd say Al isn’t going anywhere although he has indicated he will bring in someone at least in the capacity of Bruce Allen. I call BS on Holmgren as GM for the simple fact that he was horrible in that role for Seattle and they eventually stripped of his GM duties finally.Head coach is a different story. My pick is actually Ron Wolf. He held the job befroe, is still relevant and he and Davis are friends. John DeFilippo need to go at QB coach, don’t have a replacement idea yet. I actually feel that Lofton needs to go as well.WR have been in the crapper(.And don’t make him HC either. I think he coached way out of contention this year anyway. )Give the job to Tim Brown or somebody. He has expressed a desire to help.

by RaiderJoe on Dec 11, 2008 6:34 AM PST reply actions  

Tim Brown would be an AWESOME choice to coach the Raiders considering

his only coaching experience consists of being an assistant coach on his sons flag football team.

by Bacon on Dec 11, 2008 7:01 AM PST reply actions  

Tim Brown

stated that he was interested in a front office position, not coaching. I’ll take him in some kind of advisory roll with the front office.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Dec 11, 2008 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

somehow I believe the GM would be a puppet

as all people hired by Al usually are. If he isn’t, then we’ll have a respectable organization. Fassel is the only reasonable candidate for the head coach. But I’d like to see Schotty here. I agree the d-coordinater should be keith. Put Cable back to O-Line. I’d like to see Tim Brwon on here as well, but i’d also like Gannon to be the QB coach. Just some thoughts

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, 'If I live, I will kill you. If I die, You are forgiven.' Such is the rule of honor." Omerta by Lamb of God

by KA1Z3R on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

Like I said before

I think there’s a bad taste in Gannon’s mouth w/ this organization. I don’t want to see Brown as an advisor because he’s to much of an Al fan.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 11, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

but he'd be a better wr coach than Lofton

Lofton’s not bad. But not particularly good. I don’t know why Gannon hates this organization so much. He was the most productive with Oakland and lead them to the playoffs several times. But I think Al needs to as much as possible to get him to be the QB coach. Anyone’s better than DeFillipo

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, 'If I live, I will kill you. If I die, You are forgiven.' Such is the rule of honor." Omerta by Lamb of God

by KA1Z3R on Dec 12, 2008 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's not so much the ogranization

as it is the situation the organization is in due to the current (ahem, long time current) circumstances?

Gannon as admitted he excelled @ the Raiders and owes Davis and the Raiders for that. Maybe we’re (I mean me too) are reading his comments wrong and should take them as he’s getting as fed up as we are.

Now, lately, I’ve been pondering Brown as a WR coach too.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 12, 2008 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Boz would be a great LB Coach!!!

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I could understand that

but he bashes them as much as Stink does on ESPN.

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, 'If I live, I will kill you. If I die, You are forgiven.' Such is the rule of honor." Omerta by Lamb of God

by KA1Z3R on Dec 12, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Schotty

absolutely hates the Raiders. Don’t see that happening.

by Raider76 on Dec 15, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Fire Rob Ryan

and hire Marinelli (as d-coordinator). Lions will fire him after the season. Sapp called him a great defensive coach and liked him more than Kiffin. Also I heard Wisniewski’s name come up as a GM. Just the sound of a GM is good news to me.

by Raider76 on Dec 15, 2008 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

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