Oakland Raider News: Who Stays And Who Goes Part III: Offensive Backfield
Let us all stand up and clap for the departure of one of the biggest wastes of money, Mark Jackson's, departure. Good BYE and Good Riddance. He was as useless as boobs on a bull and now he can go and mess up the scholarships at Tennessee.
With that out of the way, let's take a look at how the Raider Offensive backfield "Should" shape up for next year.
QB: JaMarcus Russell is ours for better or worse. And right now, it is looking like it is for worse. He is coming off like a lazy, dimwitted bust. Do I think he is a bust? No way, but, that is how he is looking on the field and in the media.
When Cable said that he wasn't coming in on Tuesdays to study film, and then his response was that we will all love him when the ship turns around, it left me speachless...How does he expect to turn it around IF NOT for hard work and overtime?
I can only balme him for being lazy, not for his performance because having three play callers in one year is a bit much for anyone, especially the youngest starting QB in the League.
Tui: He should stay as a serviceable back-up
Walter: I hope for his sake that he gets out of here and gets a chance with a team that could use his ability. I AM a Walter fan and think that he can be a good starter in this League.
Options: I expect for the Raiders to draft a clipboard carrier or pick-up a Ken Dorsey type to take Walter's spot.
FB: Justin Griffith will probably leave for less turbulent waters after this season, which is too bad, because I really like him. He has been a team player and leader. I hope that he stays, but with O'Neal pushing him and his Pro Bowl status making him an attractive addition to a team that is built to win now, I just don't see him staying.
Oren O'Neal: This all depends on his health. If he is fully healthy, I don't see Griffith returning. If he isn't, then we HAVE to keep Griffith. If we lose both of them, then there will be a huge hole to fill as the FB position has been one of J-Russ's faborite options when he has had either to throw to.
Luke Lawton: Practice Squad
RB: D-Mac is a keeper...Period
Fargas: Is an expensive 3rd back, which is what he SHOULD have been this year. I love Huggy Bear to death, BUT, he is the third best back on the team and is making some serious jack that can be used on a wide-out or O-Lineman. (Correction, as Mikesd pointed out Huggy has already received 6 mil of the 12 and may not make another 3 in the incentives...He HAS to staty for that price, or be traded for a pretty nice pick)
Bush: It is a sin that he has had limited playing time. I see him going elsewhere and DOMINATING. That is truly sad and I hope it isn't in Denver!!!
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I agree with some points
but I think Fargas is a valuable asset to us. He is probably the best at hitting the hole and running hard. A smart runner in finding a hole and hitting it hard. He also is a great mentor for D-Mac and Bush. This guy put in his time and i think he deserves what we pay him.
by Raider76 on Dec 16, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LT is the highest paid RB @ 5.5 milayear.
Fargas makes 4 milayear. There is just something VERY Wrong with that.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 16, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LT should be paid more
not Fargas paid less. I don’t have too much of a problem with Fargas getting 12 Mil for 3 years. He has produced for us unlike Kwame Harris.
by Raider76 on Dec 16, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=786
He gets a guaranteed 6 Million and the rest is in incentives.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 16, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the link
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 16, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting:
So, 6 of it is already in the bank, and 3 of it he probably won’t see…Hell he is a steal for the next two years!!!!
Thanks for the clarification
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 16, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with both of your arguments
yes fargas is the best at hitting the hole and we all love him. But imagine the future with D-Mac and Bush. I think in the long run bush and d-mac are the better choices. We all know Darren is going to be a star, but i also feel that Bush could become a star one day. Idk maybe its just cuz i always been a big fan since his Louisville days but i think he really has a bright future ahead of him
we gon' make 'em run, make 'em follow the lead
nelly on the side lines with tricks up his sleeve
in the bay, we go hard cause we playin' for passion
you know who it is, aint no need for askin'
by thecity_8 on Dec 16, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They are the future
but for now they need to know how to be a RB in this league and be able to read blocks. I think Fargas’ leadership is invaluable to both of these backs.
by Raider76 on Dec 16, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i totally agree with you
i was just saying if i had to choose later down the road between fargas or bush i’d go with bush
we gon' make 'em run, make 'em follow the lead
nelly on the side lines with tricks up his sleeve
in the bay, we go hard cause we playin' for passion
you know who it is, aint no need for askin'
by thecity_8 on Dec 16, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who stays ?..........at this rate
WHO CARES?
Releasing Rhodes, Moss, eric Barton was all wrong, but thats only the TIP of the berg. Raiders are simply a darn disgrace and we are frigging stuck with Al Davis as HE STAYS unfortunately
by jaraider on Dec 17, 2008 5:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What about Danny Clark?
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LT is ten times better than fargas
Don’t get me wrong,I really like fargas but,he isn’t worth that kind of money having Bush and mcfad on the roster..The RB position is one of the only positions that doesn’t need vet-leadership,They run the way the run,its the coaches job to find ways around it.. Bush and mcfad are a perfect combo in 2days Football..slash – - dash types.
We need to spend some of that money trying to get boldin or chad J on this team or make a play to get anderson from the Browns as a back-up QB. walter and tui are horrible back ups..We have seen walter with 3 differents schemes and he has proven to be a bust!!
I don’t agree that luke should be on the pratice squad,the play he made last week for the first down was the best play from a FB all year and I think he has gr8 study habits,the coaches have mentioned that he is always there working out and studing film,and blames himself for his own mistakes..
I also don;t think that having 3 different play callers in one year has anything to do with russells problems..Its the same scheme and plays just different people calling them..If we changed the lingo,or the scheme,that would be different,he shouldn’t have problems remembering the same plays?? He has had the playbook for 2 years now!!!
by Ghost2thepost on Dec 17, 2008 7:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter who the Raiders get
They had Randy Moss! Can you even begin to imagine how disgruntled Ocho-Cinco would be on the Raiders. With arguably the best receiver in football the Raiders still sucked, can you say O-line and D-line? Maybe its not sexy but if the QB doesn’t have time to throw the ball it doesn’t really matter who’s throwing it, or who is out there to catch it. Football philosophizing: If a QB gets tackled before he throws the ball is he actually a QB or is he a HB with a really bad average YPC? JRussel would be better off as a tree falling in the woods, at least there wouldn’t be any witnesses.
Bill Callahan was obviously right, this is the dumbest team in America, the Raiders don’t need self hyping prima donnas, they need some blue collar workers that grind it out for a full 60 and get the job done. But like the subject says, it doesn’t matter who the team gets. This glass isn’t half full or half empty, I know because for the last couple of years I’ve had it turned upside down and I’ve been banging on the bottom and haven’t gotten so much as a drop. This team in doomed until Davis steps down or takes a dirt nap.
by tranquilrage on Dec 17, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 1000%
We need to go back to getting these hard nosed blue collar workers. Thats Real Raider Football.
by Raider76 on Dec 17, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are these blue collar football players you speak of now?
The football players of old had offseason jobs that kept them grounded. Now we live in the Drew Rosenhaus, grab it while you can era.
Unless we have open tryouts a la Vince Papale or draft diamonds in the rough from Division I-AA schools, I don’t see the blue collar toughness which was synonymous with the Raiders of old ever coming back.
Play more Conan!
by oaklandSMASH on Dec 17, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trevor Scott Is a Good Example of a Blue Collar worker
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 18, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Collar
A player who puts in the hard work shuts up and plays hard every day. You don’t see them because the Raiders don’t have many of them. Fargas is a great example of one as well.
by Raider76 on Dec 18, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Backfield
Quarterbacks
JaMarcus Russell – I’ll preface my comments by saying that I am a big Russell fan (see avatar). I was a fan when he was at LSU, was delighted that he crushed Brady Quinn in the Sugar Bowl, and was ecstatic when the Raiders drafted him. Then came the holdout, which I mostly blamed on his inexperienced agents trying to make a name for themselves, and the subsequent lost time at training camp. In 2007 many of us were screaming for Russell to get more playing time while suffering through watching Culpepper and McCown. Coach Kiffin said that Russell wasn’t ready, and finally started working him in November and December.
In 2008 most everyone thought that Kiffin would finally let the beast loose so that we’d have the passing attack we’d been dreaming of since the day he was drafted. Instead, Kiffin kept Russell on a short leash, whispering in his ear that it was more important not to turn the ball over than it was to try and make a play. In hindsight, it seems Kiffin knew something we didn’t. I’m not entirely sure whether Kiffin was protecting Russell from himself or the rest of the team, but the answer now seems to be somewhere in the middle. Many times the offensive line does not give Russell enough time to throw, and when they do, Russell either struggles to find an open receiver, throws inaccurately, or the receiver drops the ball. The inaccuracy is the most unnerving, given how accurate Russell was at LSU. At the same time, it seems like the one thing that he should be able to change on his own.
In the end, we still have one of the youngest QBs in the NFL, and we have to understand that. Russell isn’t Peyton Manning, he’s more like Eli Manning, and with time hopefully he can have the same type of success. He needs to do his part and the Raiders need to do their part to help him succeed.
Andrew Walter – Wants out, unlikely to happen.
Others – Irrelevant.
Running Backs
Justin Fargas – An absolute warrior, and definitely the type of personality the Raiders need on the team, Fargas was handed the starting job after having a surprise 1K yard season last year. He doesn’t break off many huge runs, but he always seems to make positive yardage. His durability and price are an issue, but he’ll be with the team next season, but will likely give up even more of his playing time to Darren McFadden.
Darren McFadden – McFadden hasn’t had the type of season we envisioned for him when he was drafted, mostly due to injury. Still, McFadden has shown glimpses of what is to come with him, and it’s a bright future indeed. Many of us knew that McFadden was closer to Reggie Bush than Adrian Peterson in terms of skill set, but he’s certainly a better standard runner than Bush, and a better pass catcher than Peterson, making him a great overall threat. I don’t care much about the Wildcat-type playmaking, I’d rather he just touch the ball 20 times a game.
Michael Bush – What a disaster. Bush was a 4th round steal in the 2007 draft and was put on the IR simply to get his leg 100% healthy. This year I really thought that Bush would be the 3rd down RB, given his soft hands and the fact that he’s the biggest RB and a capable blocker. Instead, the entire Raiders staff has decided to misuse Bush, whether it be failing to use him in goal line situations, or making him play FB. He’s shown his frustration, but isn’t likely to be going anywhere soon because of his obvious talent. Don’t worry Mike, the real FBs will be healthy next season. While McFadden has received many of the 3rd down reps this season, I hope that the new Raiders staff will see that Bush is better suited for the role, along with the goal line carries.
Fullbacks
Oren O’Neal – O’Neal was a big part of our 6th ranked running game last season. He is a true blocking FB, and did an excellent job of blowing up holes for the RBs. His injury this season has a lot to do with our drop in production in the run game. We can only hope that his knee injury doesn’t keep him out for any of 2009.
Justin Griffith – Griffith isn’t as good a blocker as O’Neal, but was certainly a better receiver, and was used as a hybrid back until his injury against Baltimore. If memory serves correctly he’ll be a free agent at the end of the season. His roster spot may be assumed by Marcel Reese, an intriguing mix of size and speed who may make for another weapon on offense. I could easily see O’Neal and Reese being the two FBs on the roster next season.
Luke Lawton – Gone.
"I love being here. I love these players. I'm loyal to these players and this team, all right? I'm on the side of the players and the Raiders. And anybody who isn't on the side of the Raiders, then I'm not with them." - Randy Hanson, DB coach.
by LiveAdam on Dec 18, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Completely Forgot about Reese: Nice Take, Once Again!!!
Cheers!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 18, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RBs
Fargas should be the started HANDS DOWN. He is a the biggest threat they have in the back field. He should touch the ball more than anyone else on the team. He should catch the ball more then Reggie Bush.
Bush should be the power back that they’ve been lacking since Wheatly was the leagues leading rusher. I agree the guy was a steal and it was a shame that he was forgot about in all the crap that Davis brings to this team.
And as far as McFadden goes he should of never came. That was the biggest waste of a pick i have ever seen. Now don’t get me wrong i’m not saying he’s a bad back but he was not needed and that pick could of went for a DL or OL something that they strongly needed
by Black and Silver Express on Dec 29, 2008 7:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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