Oakland Raiders News: Steve McNair's Retirement May Put Focus on 4th Pick

by saint on Apr 18, 2008 11:41 AM PDT in News

With Steve McNair retiring, the Baltimore Ravens may be "Ravenous" in their pursuit of Matt Ryan.

If he is taken in the Top 3, by either Atlanta or Miami, then the point is mute, but, there are many mock drafts that have both Longs AND Dorsey going in the top 3.

From where the Raiders sit, number 4 overall, they may be sitting in the catbird's seat with BOTH Matt Ryan AND Darren McFadden available.

It makes sense that the Raiders have been marching wide-outs Devin Thomas and Mario Manningham through town because it is possible that Baltimore may deal the number 8 pick (Sedrick Ellis) and a second #39 (Manningham) in order to land their franchise QB.

In fact, the Ravens may even have to add in another couple of picks to move up 4 spots.

This "Raven" wrinkle is another possibility along with Dallas trading us their two first rounders and their second this year AND next for Fabian Washington and the #4 pick in the hopes of landing McFadden.

Of course IF they are BOTH bidding against each other, then the value of the #4 pick may be as high as the #4 pick was to Mike Ditka when he traded his entire draft for Ricky Williams.

I Love Vernon Gholston and Darren McFadden and think that they will be difference makers on whatever teams they goes to, but the kind of value that the Raiders can get from having the leverage of Ryan and McFadden available at #4 will go a lot further than adding one player.

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Sorry, Saint

but think that is wishful thinking on your part about the Ravens. I believe they are sitting at 6 so why would they move up, they know the Raiders will not draft Ryan, nor will the Jets. They can just wait and get him. Their only problem is Atlanta and whether or not Atlanta will take him. If they don't, then it is smooth sailing for them.
Dallas is another matter, they know McFadden won't get past #8 and they are probably certain he won't be in the top #3. Trading with the Raiders makes sense to them since the Jets will probably take McFadden. I would love for the Raiders to trade back for the 2 #1's of Dallas. My only caveat is whether or not Chris Long is sitting there then they have to get Long.

by chinabob on Apr 18, 2008 1:00 PM PDT 0 recs

The Ravens are at 8, but unless KC is not

crazy about Croyle, there is noone else in front of them who needs a QB. The Jets don't even need him that badly.

by theblackpearl on Apr 18, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up 0 recs

If Gholston AND McFadden are gone:

I can see the Patriots @ Number 7 trading down with a team, CHI or Carolina, who could use a QB. That would leave Baltimore in the dark.

Pride And Poise!!!

by saint on Apr 18, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

you hit the nail right on the head

I would love a trade for more picks. We could pick up a quality LT and DE. The team's biggest needs. Maybe we could trade the #4 pick and Washington with Dallas for more. It's very likely, as I believe Dallas to be the only team interested in him. And that's only if they don't pick up Pacman Jones. Then there's still the matter of Jordan.

The Autumn Wind Is A Raider, and his name is KA1Z3R. >:)>

by KA1Z3R on Apr 18, 2008 1:13 PM PDT 0 recs

Imagine

a trade. I think it would be great. our first round and Washington for two first rounds, a second round and maybe a lil extra

Born And Raised One, Always Gonna Be One, A True Raider Fan.

by Rayder K on Apr 18, 2008 1:33 PM PDT 0 recs

I know, wouldn't that be great

We could fill the positions, and get some depth.

The Autumn Wind Is A Raider, and his name is KA1Z3R. >:)>

by KA1Z3R on Apr 18, 2008 1:42 PM PDT 0 recs

We can grab

a receiver, even though I hate this years WR class, but we can grab ine of my favorite DT's Kentwan Balmar. He will help a lot. Then with a second round pick, we can grab a Erin Henderson or Cliff Avril who should be available. That can address all our needs.

Born And Raised One, Always Gonna Be One, A True Raider Fan.

by Rayder K on Apr 18, 2008 1:47 PM PDT 0 recs

But does Al see it our way?

No. All he sees is McFadden and C. Long.

The Autumn Wind Is A Raider, and his name is KA1Z3R. >:)>

by KA1Z3R on Apr 18, 2008 2:03 PM PDT 0 recs

i totally agree...

I think WE should run the raiders not all
he made some(not all) foolish decisions about picking from the draft...I said it before i'm sayin it again
Remember Gallery's Drft we could have gotten so many good players: Fitzgerald,Sean Taylor,Winslow,and many others

by Jagjivan on Apr 18, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Stop hating on Gallery

everyone back off Gallery. He is turning into a great player. You realize he hasn't played the position he played his whole life until this last season? And you realize that all the runs that fargas, rhodes had at the end of the season were all to Gallery's side? Gallery will be a good solid piece to our future. The players u listed btw Sean taylor, R.I.P., Winslow, only played one year injuries both years including him being a dumbass on a bike, Fitzgerald, would of been nice but we had porter and Moss why would we have needed him. They drafted Gallery out of necessity. Now as far as the draft..... Trade the pick to the cowboys, even if they get pacman, then we trade our number 4 for 1 of there first rounders and a second rounder. There is no way Dallas will part with both those picks. We still can get a WR that we need, Manningham, and see what is available for us in the first round.

by Only one Al on Apr 18, 2008 2:57 PM PDT 0 recs

Yo man....

Relaax shit,gettin hella personal, im jus sayin that gallery wasn't the ONLY pick we could have gotten
I jus hate it when they call picks a"pick we can't pass up"

by Jagjivan on Apr 18, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

Get Your Popcorn

Because this draft is going to be full of amusement. I am just glad they cut down the time. Last years draft killed me. After the 4th selection its just a question of when Fabian goes and for what pick. Anyone want to take a side bet. I am thinkng late 2nd round.

by lockdown851 on Apr 18, 2008 3:37 PM PDT 0 recs

Gallery will shine

this year. Him and Kwame will be successful with the raiders.

Born And Raised One, Always Gonna Be One, A True Raider Fan.

by Rayder K on Apr 18, 2008 3:55 PM PDT 0 recs

What side....

are Kwame and Gallery on?
not sure...
Is it the smae side?

Where there is will,There is a way...Raiders 19-0!!!!

by Jagjivan on Apr 18, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

Dey move em around

This isn't Madden were they have to stay at one position all the time.
One more thing, even though Gallery might seem like a bad pick, Only One Al did make a good point about the coaches. He didn't have a good experience with our old coaches. Now, he is on the right path.
Also, I think he is a perfect pick for us. Look at his hair and looks. He is a part of the nation, no doubt about it. I think it was the perfect choice that year.

Born And Raised One, Always Gonna Be One, A True Raider Fan.

by Rayder K on Apr 18, 2008 4:58 PM PDT 0 recs

No offense..

but he getting pretty old(cough,cough)78 years old!!
I jus wonderin' who is gonna be our next president and managing general partner of the Oakland Raiders?

Where there is will,There is a way...Raiders 19-0!!!!

by Jagjivan on Apr 18, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up 0 recs

Please

Don't talk about Al that way. I find it disheartening coming from a raider fan.

Born And Raised One, Always Gonna Be One, A True Raider Fan.

by Rayder K on Apr 18, 2008 10:20 PM PDT 0 recs

Thank you

Al will stay where he's at for as long as he wants. He earned it and we have no say in it, so everyone's gotta stop hating on Al.

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Apr 21, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

All right listen up!

TRUE we could have gotten Fitzgerald and Winslow and so on. But, would they work well in Oakland. Both Fitz and Wins are big deep threat guys, while we had Collins throwing the ball, and he can't throw very deep. For you people bashing Al Davis, I don't blame you, but lay off a bit. He's a great man who revived the Raiders when we were the laughing stock of AFL. He took us to our Super Bowls. He even played a part in merging the NFL and AFL. So get off the man's back! >:(>

The Autumn Wind Is A Raider, and his name is KA1Z3R. >:)>

by KA1Z3R on Apr 19, 2008 6:34 AM PDT 0 recs

I didn't mean to direspect Al...

but i respect him a lot also cuz he said that he isn't retiring until he wins 2 more superbowls

Where there is will,There is a way...Raiders 19-0!!!!

by Jagjivan on Apr 19, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

'Can't wait for Draft and Big Al's June Surprise!

Run DMC is definitely a playmaker and opens up a lot of offensive options for us. Fargas is gonna be great, too, but durability is a key concern there. IMHO Bush and J-Money workin' together with a protective O-line will be the highlight of our season! As for the draft, it's still my dream (being in SoCal and knowing that Howie's boy won't be available to us) that we'd, somehow, get Ellis and Rivers from Troy.

"...we abused teams that didn't come to play." - Phil Villapiano #41

by EyePatch on Apr 19, 2008 10:41 AM PDT 0 recs

Ummm, hate to be picky but...

The point is never MUTE, MUTE means "Unable to speak." The point is MOOT as in a MOOT POINT.

Sorry, but things like this in an otherwise flawlessly journalistic article make me nuts.

by LegendXXX on Apr 19, 2008 12:49 PM PDT 0 recs

AL RETIRES=DEATH

More or less. I don't seem him gone til that happens.

by lockdown851 on Apr 19, 2008 1:22 PM PDT 0 recs

Most likely

after all, Al loves this organization too much to let go until he's no longer to hold on. He'll still be ordering the draft while he spends his last moments breathing through an oxygen tank on a hospital bed. But that's a long ways off and I hope he stays for a LONG time. He's earned that much. He also deserves to see his team be respected once again...

The Autumn Wind Is A Raider, and his name is KA1Z3R. >:)>

by KA1Z3R on Apr 19, 2008 4:22 PM PDT 0 recs

He deserves one more superbowl

Let's do it for AL.

Born And Raised One, Always Gonna Be One, A True Raider Fan.

by Rayder K on Apr 19, 2008 4:46 PM PDT 0 recs

He so does

deserve that Super Bowl. Maybe if we keep getting good schedules and drafting smart we can be there in a few years.

The Autumn Wind Is A Raider, and his name is KA1Z3R. >:)>

by KA1Z3R on Apr 20, 2008 7:19 AM PDT 0 recs

He WANTS...

one more superbowl...before he retires

Where there is will,There is a way...Raiders 19-0!!!!

by Jagjivan on Apr 20, 2008 8:37 AM PDT 0 recs

He was a great quarterback.

Much love and respect for Steve, he's a class act all the way. One of the toughest players I've ever witnessed play football. One book tells it: http://dealstudio.com/searchdeals.php?deal_id=98195&ru=279 , Hall of Fame in my book. I really hope he'll become a coach one day, the kids today could use a mentor like him.

by errolnigth on Apr 20, 2008 5:58 PM PDT 0 recs

Doesn't add up for Dallas

I hate to burst your bubble, but by the trade chart that all the teams use you can't expect to get their two first round picks this year and their first rounder next year for the #4 and Fabian.

Dallas' two first rounders this year are worth 1440, and the number 4 pick is worth 1800. You could get a second rounder next year to make the points match, but throwing in a nickle back isn't gonna get you their first rounder.

Trade Chart:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

by RaiderGator on Apr 20, 2008 9:09 PM PDT 0 recs

ya the chart

Ya and Dallas was the designers of the trade chart so they live and die by that thing. Its a nice idea but not likely. I do not think that we need Run DMC or whatever you call him. Give BUSH A CHANCE PLEASE AL PLEASE!!!!!!

by Only one Al on Apr 21, 2008 10:36 AM PDT 0 recs