Oakland Raiders News: Is The O-Line The Last Team That Needs An Upgrade?
When I look at this team from the ground up, I see a team that can lead the League in Rushing and one that will need to force turnovers and get stops on defense in order to win.
I also see a team that is breaming with high power offensive potential that is limited in that although they have the weapons to get deep, Javon Walker, Drew "Hill" Carter and Johnnie Lee Higgins, and the arm to get the ball there, JaMarcus Russell, they have a patchwork line that will be iffy at BEST against stout pass rushing defenses.
Their weaknesses are not really in the middle of the line, where Gallery, Newberry and Carlisle performed VERY well, they are on the edges, where, journeyman, Cornell Green and, eternal project, Kwame Harris look to be the starters.
Last season, Cornell got blown up like a Hot Air Balloon on the 4th of July on nearly every passing play and it seemed that Paul McQuistan did a much better job at RT after Green went down with an injury. I am still a bit confused why McQuistan's performance last season doesn't have him listed as #1 on the RT depth chart, but, I have taken the approach that "Cable knows best after he resurrected the rushing corps last season from what Art Shell labeled as "Smash-Mouthed" in his short lived 2006 campaign.
Harris on the other hand has yet to get blown UP in Oakland, but his resume speaks to the same issues that Green had...Good run blocker...A Stick of dynamite on passing downs.
Cable believes that Harris has the skill set to be HIS left tackle, so I cannot argue that YET...I just have a feeling that neither of those two will be starting next year and I'm not so sure that Mario Henderson will be the answer.
After an off-season that has seen nearly every hole filled, it is the most important one for a rookie QB that is the biggest thorn in our side.
Let's HOPE that the dink and dunk and play action keep the ball moving and JaMarcus's backside grass stain free, because if he has to take too many 7 step drops it can be Walter and Tui by week 6.
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I think
Our O-line is crucial to our success. Since the future of the Raiders is now invested mostly on the Offensive end it is only important we upgrade our o-line. Although our line improved dramatically we ran alot of roll outs because we knew our Quarterback couldn’t hang in the pocket. Looking at alot of our games last year there were a couple of games we could’ve pulled out if we had a better passing game. Tennesse, Chiefs, and the Bears were a few games I felt we could’ve pulled out if our offense was better.
by Raider76 on Jun 10, 2008 1:11 PM PDT 0 recs
We WOULD Have Pulled Out the Titans Game:
If Mike Williams would have caught the damn ball!!!
Then again, we wouldn’t have been able to draft Mc “Badass”.
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Jun 10, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Dopn't forget
the game against the Colts. Man, i thought w were gonna beat them.h
Wack To Mack With The General and The Back. (J-Mac and D-Mac)
by Rayder K on
Jun 10, 2008 3:12 PM PDT
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I Died After that game:
Then I was swearing Kiffin out after the Charger Game. Now, that I look back on it, I am glad that Kiff threw that game. We ended up with Mc “DaddY”!!!
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Jun 10, 2008 5:58 PM PDT
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sigh
I think is going to be about as awful a line as 06. edge rushes are going to completely wipe us out. I’m confident in every single part of this offense, but the line. I agree that we should put McQuistan in at RT, and I think it’s imminent should Green continue to struggle and Henderson falls flat. For LT, why not pick up tackle Jordan Black? We were pursuing in the last offseason, and he’s used to left tackle. I don’t much about him other than that. Check out Jerry McDonalds blog for more info at:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/06/09/gray-black-back-on-market/
"Lightning has Struck, Wearing Silver and Black"- Super Bowl XVIII
by KA1Z3R on Jun 10, 2008 1:36 PM PDT 0 recs
Black has disappointed at every stop
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Jun 10, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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JaMarcus
Needs a quality LT to protect his blind side. Black is unimpressive to me. You don’t protect your investment with a project like Harris or Black.
by Raider76 on
Jun 10, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
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Just spit-ballin
and bringing up some possibilities. Thanks though, I wasn’t certain if Black would be any good. Thanks for telling me. But which is better for us, Black or Harris?
"Lightning has Struck, Wearing Silver and Black"- Super Bowl XVIII
by KA1Z3R on Jun 10, 2008 6:07 PM PDT 0 recs
Harris
Black was horrible in a zone blocking scheme. So putting him in the same system doesn’t make sense. At least Kwame has some potential seeing he is in a new scheme.
by Raider76 on Jun 10, 2008 9:36 PM PDT 0 recs
The line cannot be that bad
if you were the 5th best rushing team in the league without a real runner. Let’s be honest, we like Fargas but he is not a top flight runner. Every team knew when they played the Raiders that all they had to do was rush the passer, there was no downside. There was no breakaway runner, no deep threat and no QB. Of course the line would look bad against the pass given those factors. Just calm down, don’t judge this year by what you saw last year. I agree Greene should not be a starter, but I am unwilling to flail away at Harris before he has played a game here. He was a 1st round draft pick, Cable thinks he can be a starter, that is good enough for me. Hendricks, the Tooz, and innumerable other players were told they couldn’t play before they came here, they worked out just fine.
by Laoren on Jun 10, 2008 10:38 PM PDT 0 recs
You keep saying don't judge this year by last year
which is essentially like saying don’t judge this year by facts or any intelligent analysis. Are we just supposed to ignore everything we’ve seen and be blindly optimistic?
by RaiderPete on
Jun 11, 2008 1:11 AM PDT
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The line
Was fine for rushing but our pass protection was not great. If you looked at the games you see us running alot of quick hitters and roll outs. It was not often you would see the quarterback sit in the pocket for a long time.
by Raider76 on
Jun 11, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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No...
But you have to have some faith in the organization and the coaching staffs ability to evaluate talent. The way the Raiders spent money this year in free agency they could have gone out and found someone else besides or in addition to Harris, but he was one of their first signings.
Tom Cable was able to “evaluate” Robert Gallery and determine that he was NOT an NFL left tackle but a left guard, a bold move considering Gallery’s draft position and salary. Cable has “coached” Gallery to be solid, if not above average at guard, with still more upside because of his young age. There is no reason to believe for now that Cable will not be able to coach Harris to be at least a suitable left tackle. With the offense being designed around Russel’s abilities and the left tackles strengths and weaknesses in advance, we owe the Raiders’ coaching staff at the very least, the benefit of the doubt.
I don’t think that is being blindly optimistic.
by TheRaiderWay on Jun 11, 2008 2:07 AM PDT 0 recs
Cleveland won 4 games in '06
and 10 games in ‘07.
What did they do differently, they drafted a LT, and changed QB’s. GB won 4 one year, then 13 the next with no appreciable change in the team. All I am saying is that you cannot judge the Raiders in ‘07, and say the same thing will occur in ‘08. This team has undergone major changes in personnel. I am simply saying that every one blames last season on the O line, and I am saying that was not the sole reason for the 4 win season, anymore than run defense was the reason for all the losses. For the first time in 4 years the coaching staff is essentially unchanged. Maybe I see a glass half full and not half empty, but I also see major upgrades in offensive talent, and that alone make the O line look better. It seems to me that everyone wants to isolate one part of a team and say “woe is us”. I look at a team as a complete part, if one part is better then it has an effect on the team as a whole. Other than the Miami game I don’t remember Fargas breaking a run more than 10 yds. I am sure I am wrong but that is my memory. What happens if McFadden takes one of those 5 yd. gains and makes it 35 and a TD. You would praise the O line for opening the hole but in reality it was no better than last year when Fargas got 5 yds. That is my only point. The Raiders may only win 4 games this year, it just seems to me that they have upgraded in major areas, and the O line is not going to be the cause either way, anymore than they were responsible for the losses last year.
by Laoren on Jun 11, 2008 9:49 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm all for optimism, but what you're saying isn't adding up.
Green Bay won 8 games before they won 13. That included winning their last 4 games, and a lot of people expected them to break out because of what they showed in that late season run. The Raiders lost their last 4 games of the year last year.
Cleveland drafted the next Walter Jones, signed Jamaal Lewis, Kellen Winslow stayed healthy, Derek Anderson had a miracle year, and Braylon Edwards finally broke out
We signed a good safety, a bust LT, and an out of shape reciever that only had one good year 4 years ago. The two big additions, Hall and McFadden, came at positions we were already strong at.
We look at the o-line, which is the basis for everything that happens on offense, and see no change. They still won’t be able to pass block, and we were not actually that great of a running team. 5th in the league in yards per game does not mean we ran effectively, it means we ran often. You can put great players behind a bad o-line, and suddenly they’re bad too. You can put average players behind great o-lines (see: Priest Holmes) and suddenly they’re pro-bowlers. Everything in football stems from your 0-line and d-line, and that includes wins and loses.
The d-line only has one player that would start on any other NFL team, Burgess, and every team will be scheming for. Imagine how good he could be if he wasn’t double teamed every play. They were terrible at stopping the run, a pretty big part of football, and they did nothing to address that. I love me some Darren McFadden, but it was a mistake to take him over Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey. He’s gonna be great, he’s gonna be fun, but that was the wrong decision.
You’re right, you can’t look at the team and expect things to be exactly the same as last year. I think we’ll be improved, I think we’ll win 6-8 games in the AFC. But if the question is “Will the d-line stop the run?” or “Will the o-line be terrible again?” we can only look at past performance. I see nothing that says these guys are going to suddenly be different players.
I look at the team and see a glass half full too. 11 wins is not half full, it’s over flowing. We simply aren’t there yet. There are a lot of encouraging things but they don’t add up to going from the worst team in football over the last 5 years to taking the division from the most talented team in the NFL.
by RaiderPete on
Jun 11, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
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Most troubling...
...is the OT. It’s a must that we get solid play from who ever it is that mans the OT positions. It’s unlikely that they will regress, they’ll be fine. McQuistan may be the answer on the right side in the long run. It’s really the left side that we are most uncertain about. Keep in mind that because Kiff and Cable have remained that the disarray associated with change has been suspended for now. They’ll only improve. That Russell can throw well on the run is also extremely beneficial. Not to mention, screen passes will be going for alot more yardage this year. I would venture to say, so far as…to the house!
Nice to see that some consider that a good many loses could have been wins. The offense will be on the field longer that the defense this year. Our defense won’t be defending drive after drive that begins in our territory. Those days are over. Remember how many drives our opponients began well within our territory? Our offense is much more suited to move the ball and score.
In any case,
Long Live Da Nation!
by Sharpe on Jun 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT 0 recs
LeCharles Bentley
He’s a risk, and I’m not a fan of veteran free agents, but I think the Raiders should look long and hard at him.
He’s a pro bowl center that can play either guard position. He’s still relatively young. He asked to be released by the Browns so he can start, and if he’s healthy and good to go he’d definitely do that here.
Bring him in cheap, see what he’s got, and you’ve either gained a pro bowler or you let him walk after this year. I think he could be huge for us.
by RaiderPete on Jun 11, 2008 7:50 PM PDT 0 recs
Don't need a center
We need a LT. Plus it’s another guy with bad knees on our squad.
by Raider76 on
Jun 11, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
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The center we have
is a 33 year old retread. Also, he plays both guard positions.
He tore his patella tendon, which while it’s nothing to sneeze at it is something that players routinely return from. The reason he missed so much time was he got a life threatening staph infection from the surgery.
He’d need probabley about a year before he regains his effectiveness, but he’d come cheap, and he’d provide depth across the line. LT isn’t the only problem area on our line.
by RaiderPete on
Jun 11, 2008 10:23 PM PDT
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LeCharles plays both gaurd positions
not Wade. Just to be clear.
by RaiderPete on
Jun 11, 2008 10:23 PM PDT
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GO RAIDERS!!!
I personally dont see us winning moe than 8 games this season… Only some of our real needs were adressed during the offseason… Our most valuable signing was Gibril Wilson(in my opinion)... He will help us stop the run… But i think in next years draft we need to get ourselves a STUD LT… its neccesary(unless Harris has a good year)...
GO RAIDERS!!!
by pat T on Jun 27, 2008 8:43 PM PDT 0 recs








