I Wish That Lane Would SHUT His Mouth and Coach:
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 8:34 AM PDT
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PrintHis mini feud with Rob Ryan is getting tiresome.
He complained that Ryan didn't let him run his trick play and stole his thunder in front of the Raider Nation on Sunday and now "someone" isn't signing enough players for him.
Message to Lane, STFU and coach who you have, NOT, who you don't.
"I was trying to excite the fans again," Kiffin said. "So, I had Darren stand next to me and told Shane (Lechler) to throw him the ball. It was good to see Rob compete. Rob heard me whisper that, so he whispered to Hiram about 10 yards ahead of him to go cover him. So, it really didn't work."
"It's been a situation that, unfortunately, we haven't brought guys in. I control what I can control, come out every day and get our guys as good as we can."
If NFL Europe was still around he would have an extra 5 - 10 bodies that he could carry. As it is, they have already cut two players in order to add the two that they have added.
Maybe he should focus more on the constraints that the front office is dealing with instead of complaining.
FYI, Lane, this isn't USC where you have 200 roster spots.
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I'd like to see that first quote in context
where did you get these from?
They were in all of the papers:
I took it as him getting a bit red arsed over Ryan competing with him. Then again, he could have been laughing as he said it.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is what went on w/ the Ryan quote
From Mecury News:
On the final play of practice, Kiffin instructed running back Darren McFadden to linger near the sideline while Aaron Elling lined up for a field-goal attempt. He then told McFadden to run a sideline pattern and holder Shane Lechler to hit him with a pass.
One problem: defensive coordinator Rob Ryan overheard Kiffin and instructed safety Hiram Eugene to break up the play. Eugene entered the field from the sideline and made a one-handed catch of Lechler’s throw, while holding his helmet in his other hand. (this added by me: It wasn’t a real play or his helmet would have been on….Entered from the side line….sounds like a little joking w/ each other to me…)
“I was trying to excite the fans again,” Kiffin said. “It was good to see Rob compete. Rob heard me whisper that, so he whispered to Hiram about 10 yards ahead of him to go cover him. So, it really didn’t work.”
Sounds like to me he should have hidden his instructions better, and Ryan competitively took advantage of his mistake. But it’s cool he thought of that play….hrmm….wonder if we’ll see it?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
As far as roster moves go
It’s really interesting that they haven’t signed anyone. Teams are usually pretty active during camp, grabbing players to replace injured players and just a lot of shuffling at the bottom of the depth chart in general.
“It’s hard,” Kiffin said. “You don’t get many one-on-ones, so our receivers end up going (against no defender). ”... It’s a situation we’ve been in now for a while. It is what it is.”
I’d be pissed if I was Kiffin too. We’re going to sign Javon Walker to that huge, rediculous, contract but we can’t even field full scrimage teams?
“It’s crazy,” safety Hiram Eugene said. “With a lot of guys down, we’ve got to take a lot of reps.”
A reason why teams bring in so many young players that will never make the squad is to keep the regulars from taking too many reps.
I can’t find anything on the Ryan deal, sounds like it was during a scrimage and it was all in fun. I don’t see anything in that quote that tells me Kiffin was upset about it. You can’t just post that and then rip him over it, without any context at all. And I’m not sure why you would rush to the defense of the front office in regards to the signings. It’s pretty clear this team needs bodies, I don’t know why you think his comment was out of line.
I don't think that the Chiefs OR Broncos are going to take it easy on us
because Kiffin didn’t have extra bodies.
We have receivers that aren’t even getting reps and we don’t have enough receivers?
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
What healthy receivers aren't getting reps? Walker is hurt, Curry is hurt, Carter is hurt, Holland
is hurt. Watkins, Schillenz are getting plenty of reps, and by the reports, they are sucking, except Watkins, noone else is getting open. Every beat writer in the Bay Area is stating the same thing.
by theblackpearl on Aug 12, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I did
read an article about how we don’t have enough DB’s for the recievers to go up against.
I read that too:
It is weird that there are just NOT enough bodies for the DB position. I wonder how much the elimination of NFL Europe has effected this?
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
What does NFL Europe have to do
with the Raiders not signing a couple DB’s?
There were more roster sopts because some players were on the NFL
Europe rosters, or that is my belief.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The amount of roster spots
for NFL teams haven’t changed.
The Depth May have:
I’ll have to do more research on that
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
FYI
The value of the NFL Europe was two-fold. First, it allowed general managers to add roster-exempt players to the payroll. The number would vary from year to year, but the Packers could select approximately five to 10 players every spring as NFL Europe candidates, send them to places like Barcelona or Amsterdam, and not have them count that summer against their 80-man roster limit. The Europe-bound Packers would play the spring season overseas, get a few weeks off and then come to Green Bay in hopes of making the final roster cuts. The Packers would head in to training camp with close to 90 athletes.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats interesting
I didn’t know they didn’t count against the 80 man roster. Still, the front office needs to adapt to this and get some practice players in there.
Bill Polian had this to say:
"Q: What do you feel are some of the most pressing on-field trends and issues in the league today?.
A: "The first thing that we need to have some answers on is how the 80-man roster limit affects what we ultimately come out of camp with," Polian said last week in an interview with the Globe prior to the Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio.
"It isn’t good from our perspective….It’s not a good test….I don’t just mean us, but all teams."
Polian is curious to see how teams will be affected over the course of the season…
Why is this such a big issue?.
"I’ll use our linebackers as a prime example," Polian said of a position that has been hit by injuries in training camp. "When you have an injury at one position, you can’t reduce the [repetitions] of everybody else at that position, because this is an interrelated game.
"So they have to take the same reps as the tackles, and ends and corners, but you’re doing it with less guys. So it stresses the position and you find that you go from one injury, to two, to three, you get an epidemic at one position. Now you’re in a position where you have difficulty."
"The question is, what do you do?" said Polian. "Do you reduce reps? Do you reduce practice? Do you change the way you practice? All those kind of things are questions that have to be answered."
From Boston Globe´s Mike Reiss.
My understanding
is that they didn’t increase the roster spots even though NFL Europe no longer exists. Which I feel is stupid because there now is an influx of players with limited spots. In order to acquire one you have to drop one.
That is correct:
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you guys are talking about
Where does it say that recievers aren’t getting reps? Lane said they have recievers lining up against no one, they don’t have anyone to cover them because they don’t have enough players on defense. Even the players are talking about it, and they’re talking about the amount of reps they’re taking because they don’t have any scrubs to rotate in.
And what do the Bronco’s or Chiefs have to do with anything? This is about fielding enough guys to have a normal scrimmage during practice.
It was in the Times this morning:
They said that the Receivers were banged up but that Holland wasn’t even getting reps with the 2nd team.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is/was that:
Our team is much better and Lane is still complaining about the front office. They shut him up by giving him a MUCH better front line of talant, and now he is complaining about not having enough scrubs.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
When he can't run a normal practice
because he doesn’t have enough players, and the front office has only signed two players, one of them just yesterday, he has every right to complain. And he said it’s been like this for a while, it’s not like this just happened.
Running one on one drills where the reciever has no one to cover him is bush league. The way this team is ran is bush league, at least Kiffin understands it and says something about it. This franchise doesn’t need any more yes men, they need someone to let Al know what needs to be done. Kiffin seems to have a good head on his shoulders, he should be listened to and not told to shut up.
I hear Ya:
I get pretty bi-polar about this organization
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
he is making his situation worse by going to the media with his gripes. Talking to the media is not going to make Al listen to what you have to say.
He isn't making it worse, he knows Al isn't going to resign him, and he is
a good coach, so why not say whatever the hell you want. Al proved he wasn’t going to fire him, and pay him, so he is saying whatever he feels is correct. He doesn’t owe the fans anything more than his best effort, which he is doing.
by theblackpearl on Aug 12, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
why
why is he a good coach? what did he do or has done for the raiders as of now. Nothing, people are just in love with LAME because he is a young cocky coach and he looks smart, but he is not. Look at last year when he was playing 3 QB’s and couldnt make up his mind on who to start. This is the NFL, not a stupid college team. Kiffin should stop trying to get attention and grow some BALLS and be happy that he is the RAIDERS coach, it could be worse he could of landed a high school job somewhere.
"THE RAIDERS DON'T REBUILD THEY RELOAD"
by raiderlalo81 on Aug 12, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong.
He didn’t lose the team. For the first time in 4 years, The Raiders believed in a system. Through adversity (4-12), this team still has hope. No other coach we’ve had since the super bowl has been able to give our team hope. Regardless of what you say, this team believes in what Kiffin wants to do, and they work for him. A good coach gets his players to work. Period.
You might not respect him or what he’s doing, but he has done a great job since being here. He had to deal with Al Davis and his stupidass holding out with JaMarcus (To give him a record contract in the end anyways.) I’m not saying he’s perfect, but he certainly proved he was worth a fair shake and a real chance in my mind.
BTW, Before you assume he couldn’t make a decision on the starters, don’t forget that seniAL still runs the show around here.
Lane is the first coach since Gruden
to have a plan for the Raiders. He’s organizing this football team, instilling some work ethic, and shaping up his young players to create a quality football team. And he’s had to fight the front office every step of the way. He had to rotate through 3 QB’s last year becuase 2 of them sucked and Davis couldn’t sign Jamarcus. He has to figure out a way to practice without enough DB’s on the team. He’s got to deal with a reciever who was handed a gigantic salary that wants to retire.
You’ve got it backwards, the Raiders are lucky to have Lane.
He is
making the situation worse because he is airing our dirty laundry to the outside media. We complain about the media’s coverage of the Raiders, why give them more fuel to pan these flames. Keep it inhouse.
I don't think he cares, and shouldn't care how the media covers him, or
the Raiders. Win, and every media outlet will be all at his feet.
by theblackpearl on Aug 13, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I know what you're saying about taking this to the media
but I have to believe he’s tried the internal channels available to him. If thats not the case then this would be pretty poor form on Kiffin’s part.
FYI:
The value of the NFL Europe was two-fold. First, it allowed general managers to add roster-exempt players to the payroll. The number would vary from year to year, but the Packers could select approximately five to 10 players every spring as NFL Europe candidates, send them to places like Barcelona or Amsterdam, and not have them count that summer against their 80-man roster limit. The Europe-bound Packers would play the spring season overseas, get a few weeks off and then come to Green Bay in hopes of making the final roster cuts. The Packers would head in to training camp with close to 90 athletes.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure...
about the first quote, I am definately tired of hearing the “I can only do what I can do” BS. He sounds like a whining cry baby to me. I am with you Saint…shut up, be careful of what you say and do your freakin’ job! He says a lot of negative things about players too. Some of them need it but they need it one on one and in the right way. Maybe he does give them that, we don’t know? It makes me cringe though when he trashes a players performance. Hopefully they respond the right way.
I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!
Personally...
I think Lane has every right to b!tch. He coached trash last year, and then when he wanted to switch up HIS staff, sh!tty ass Al Davis wouldn’t let him. I have no respect for the way Al Runs this organization. When a coach comes in here and keeps the team together for longer than a year (which Lane very well did), he gets zero respect. It’s bull.
Win, and you'll get respect
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 12, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Respect from
the media true. But the team won’t play for you if the don’t respect you. Look @ Shell’s 2nd era. No one liked him or respected him and the team was in disarray. Last year near the end of the season and the players were still listening to Kiffin and following him. That’s respect.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Have you even stoped to think
Coach Kiffin is being real clever, making statements like this to hype up the media before Mr. Davis brings in more top flight players. It’s no good reading folks who call themselfs RAIDERS fan, bad mouth the great Al Davis. Anyone who is anyone in football or sports in general, know dat Mr. Davis is the Man with the plan in his hand, no question….If not for Mr. Davis kids wouldn’t even have Madden to play,,,, yep it gets that deep. I man was born in 83 so I have only been a Raider for 24 years strong, but I know Al Davis is nothing without the Raiders, and our team would be nothing if not for the leadership of Mr. Davis. Al Davis is responsible for the Raiders being the team of the decades, and the having the best record in the NFL. Think about it cuz, there can never be a Nation like The Raiders, and only The Raiders can have a owner as great as Mr.Al Davis. Just to inform those who dont know, you cant be a true Raiders if your not down with Al Davis as the head, just how we do it. Nothing greater than a Raider!!!!
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
Yes
but this doesn’t work with Al. Al does what Al wants to do. Its not a knock on him because thats what made the Raiders great in the past. Al is old school so Kiffins game is falling on deaf ears.
Rriiiight....
I dont get it, didn’t Al bring Kiffin in the game. Kiffin wouldn’t be in the NFL if not for Mr. Davis. The dessison to bring kiffin in is up to the time. Just like the decision to bring in Gruden was up to the time, and we didn’t even need him to get to the superbowl, another secret Mr. Davis knew. I dont mind how old mr. Davis, just goes to show how great he is. The man has lead us to greatness in the past because the man knows where the game is going. Left to me I would have Al Davis run the NFL like he should have. A ,,Just win baby….
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
Maybe
I hear you, respect. I just dont think Kiffin is acting like a bitch though, what he said just didn’t come across as a negative to Mr. Davis, in my eyes.
You do realize
that even though Bill Callahan was the coach during the super bowl, it was still Gruden’s team, right? They were riding on Gruden’s coat tails. Al Davis made bad decisions last few years. Art Shell. Norv Turner (And I’m not 100% sure that couldn’t have actually worked out), promoting Callahan, and I could go on. What the Raiders need is a true GM, and Kiffin. I think Kiffin can be the man here if Davis let’s him do his thing. He has the backing of the players. That’s step 1. He’s being critical to them, but well, for the amount of fucking money they’re getting, they can take the heat. This isn’t high school where they have to be careful to their ego. It’s a job for these guys.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
You do realize
That leading up to the big game The Raiders were a more dominate team than with gruden, right? Gruden is only a somebody cuz he was with the silver and black, and he has been a nodody since he left The Raiders. Speeking for myself, I think Gruden was brought in as mr. X’s and O’s guy, and having players grind it out, someting like Kiffin is doing, but Kiffin is a far better coach. I think Callahan was made coach to buy the Raiders some time. I think Turner was brought in to get the other side of the ball going again, but he only showed he couldn’t lead. I’m glad that Turner coaches SD. I think Art Shell was brought in to help bring out more of that Raiders pride. Now five years later Mr. Davis has set everything in place for The Raiders to make another run for the super bowl. Only Kiffin and Mr. Davis know why he said what he said, but I think he told the media this to let everyone know he doing his jod, and Mr. Davis will be bringing in more top flight players. Al Davis is the man with the plan.
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
We don't really want to compare
the records of Gruden vs. the Raiders since he left do we? Or compare playoff appearances?
Dude, I'm glad Kiffin is firing up his team like this....
didn’t we complain that Callahan, Shell, etc….were too soft and didn’t seem to have control of the team. Dude, I hope Kiffin is a little bit like Gruden, just fire up a team, b/c Gruden knows how! :D
AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 13, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions
Re: your update
Every team is dealing with the same amount of roster spots as the Raiders are. It’s made for tough decisions, but the decisions have to be made. If you need corners or line men or whatever you’ll have to cut a player. It sucks, but 27 of the guys right now won’t be on the team anyways. The front office needs to be flexible and make roster moves, they’re going to have to do it sooner or later anyways.
Today, We Cut Hartwell, Who Seemed to be in the Mix at the LB Position:
So that we would have a punter against Tennessee. That seems pretty dumb to me. It’s only preseason, why not just go for it on every fourth down and save a roster spot.
Pride And Poise!!!
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 14, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
I would say bigger chances of injuries. And what if you’re on your own 20? You want to give up the ball in the red zone if you don’t complete the 4th down?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Have Tui punt for all I care
dropping a player, even if it is Edge, in favor of a punter is a pretty dumb move. Unless Lechler is going to miss during the season it doesn’t make any sense.
Not that punters aren't players
but you know what I mean.
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