Oakland Raiders News: Kiffin Continues To Flap His Gums & It's Getting Old
Al Davis has armed Lane with a potential #1 defense and all Lane can do is complain about how he doesn't have enough bodies.
Come on Lane, this act is getting tired and even your staunchest supporters will begin to see that you are just a crybaby that is either looking for a way out or that is setting up for a cushion to your fall.
Was it Al Davis that called passing plays ad nauseum? Even the BEST passing teams run atleast once every 5 plays!!! And even the worst pass defense can get to the QB if they know it will be a pass EVERY down.
Opening UP the passing game doesn't mean that you pass on 11 of the game's first 12 plays and allow the Cards to pin their ears back.
I think that JaMarcus did rather well considering that Lane told the opposing team his gameplan going in and then he stuck to it completely.
Lane was out of line in saying that this team just isn't very good. Completely.
The defense has made the Niners offense, which is lighting up the League, look like peons, made Vince Young look like Tito Jackson and cost Matt Leinart his job. That is pretty darn solid.
And the offense is already looking like a Top 5 Rushing attack that will be led by a QB that makes good decisions with the ball and can put passes anywhere at any time.
The offense has also given the young QB a true #1, Javon Walker, who has replaced Jerry Porter who was signed by Jacksonville and is already PUPed, a great outlet in Zach Miller and drafted one of the most dynamic offensive weapons that we have had since Bo Jackson in Darren McFadden. What else can this cry baby want?
I guess that Gibril Wilson, DeAngelo Hall, Tommy Kelly, Javon Walker, Darren McFadden, Kalimba Edwards, Joseph and Carter aren't enough bodies for this little whiner. We save the "Whining" for the other side of the Bay.
Like I've said before, shut up, stop your whining and go out there and be a man. Believe me, IF you blow as many games this year as you did last year, 3 by my count, nobody in the League will buy your story and they'll see you as a wet behind the ears redass who couldn't handle a golden opportunity.
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I agree with you Saint
I am getting a little tired of Kiffin and his complaining. I watched the game again last night on my tape recorder and came away with a different feeling than I had when I saw the game the first time. There were many more bright spots than my first impression gave me. I am sick about losing O’ Neal, indifferent about losing Carter. I am a firm believer that receivers can be found anywhere and not convinced that a very good replacement is not already on the team.
I will defend Kiffin in that he almost purposely lost the game and made it clear he didn’t care if they won or lost, that is fine with me. He told the Cardinals what he was going to do, he didn’t try any run play other than into the line, so a loss was almost inevitable.
My advice to Kiffin, just shut up, and coach this team. There are enough pieces to win barring catastrophic injuries.
by Laoren on Aug 25, 2008 9:24 AM PDT 0 recs
I am with you here too...
Considering the way this offense was coached Saturday, they did fine. To forcast the actuall game plan was asking for Russell to get hurt. I am also tired of Kiff complaining in the press. He can side step questions and not sound like such a whinebag.
I am bummed about the injuries but there are two rounds of cuts for all teams comming up and maybe they can pick up a decent reject from another team.
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by sabp on Aug 25, 2008 10:52 AM PDT 0 recs
I imagine they can get a blocking fullback
it is not like they need a top flight player, a QB, CB or something like that. We just need a guy who can stick his nose in there and block somebody. Griffith will have to play most of the time which is OK. I just thought O’Neal brought a lot to the team.
by Laoren on Aug 25, 2008 11:34 AM PDT 0 recs
you guys should have kept your D Coordinator. #1 defense because of that coach.
I can’t remember his name…crazy hair guy. Didn’t he get canned? Or was that his twin brother? I thought they both got canned this year.
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by Zappa on Aug 25, 2008 12:09 PM PDT 0 recs
He is still there.
He just cut his hair for a good cause. I think it was for kids with cancer.
by Raider76 on
Aug 25, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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His name is Rob Ryan:
I would not be surprised to see Kiffin get canned before the first game and have Ryan take his place.
If Al does TRULY hate this kid, then that is how it will play out. Love him or hate him, that is how Al rules his world.
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 25, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
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In Lane's Defense
I am glad that he telegraphed his game plan to Arizona and that they responded by double teaming Zach Miller. They played the passing game well and put our passing offense under pressure. Kiffin’s decision to go for it on two different 4th down situations, where he probably would have opted to punt or kick a field goal was good for Russell and the offense. While the results were disappointing, who cares! It’s pre-season and its the Cardinals.
The glaring issues regardig offensive depth is a serious one espeicially considering our receivers. Perhaps with O’Neal’s injury Bush takes on a larger role as a blocking full back who offers yet more options for the offense with increased playing time.
I don’t mind Kiffin’s “whining” because he is after the same thing we all are, just winning. He is not going to telegraph instructions to the Broncos in a couple of weeks and as long as the players support him AND WIN, Lord Al will be content.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
by Gerard on Aug 25, 2008 1:42 PM PDT 0 recs
How hard is it to include the quotes?
I’m looking around and I can’t really see what you’re so up in arms about. This?
"We weren’t very good. Our pass protection was not very good," Kiffin said., "It looked like Kwame (Harris) struggled a lot, I’ll see on film. We missed probably at least four blitzes. Guys bounced off guys and came free or we just got beat on them. I was very discouraged. It just kind of reminded me of who we are."
I don’t see whats wrong with saying you weren’t happy with a performance. They lost 24-0, what do you want him to say? And thats with Leinart throwing 3 picks.
As far as the passing game goes, it sounds like he was experimenting. Last time I checked, we were still in the preseason, and thats what the preseason is for.
"Unfortunately I think that I saw what I already knew," Kiffin said. "If we try to just throw the ball around you are going to get penalties, you are going to get your quarterback hit, he is going to start running around a lot, he will be in trouble."
"The thing about the running game is it’s not the type of running game you can just run a couple times and things are going to break," Kiffin said. "It’s a running game that wears on people. Looking at our stats from last year we continued to improve as the games went along. We weren’t very good in the first quarter. That’s the system. You’ve got to wear them down, get them on the ground, get them tired. When you are throwing it around you are not getting that. You are not getting the defensive line tired. We have to go back to the way we were before."
Bolded that last line to bring it to your attention. He tried something new. It didn’t work, so he plans to stick was what works. Why is this a bad thing?
What did Russell think of the game plan?
"It was just what coach wanted," Russell said. "No matter what the down and distance was, we was out there throwing the ball, and it was pretty fun. But at the same time, the running game will help out."
Sounds like he was on board with the whole thing, and it sounds like he’s on the same page as his coach. They both will look to the running game in the future, but for this one preseason game it was a nice change of pace.
The defense has made the Niners offense, which is lighting up the League, look like peons, made Vince Young look like Tito Jackson and cost Matt Leinart his job. That is pretty darn solid.
Seriously? Besting the niners offense, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart is impressive to you? I really should have just stopped right there, but this whole “lets rip on Lane Kiffin because Al is untouchable” theme is really annoying.
Al Davis has armed Lane with a potential #1 defense and all Lane can do is complain about how he doesn’t have enough bodies
Beyond the fact that the Raiders don’t have anywhere close to a #1 defense, the issue with backups is a real problem. Look at the depth Lane has now with the two injuries from the Cardinals game. Marcel Reese was his back up fullback, although this was addressed. His slot reciever? Johnie Lee Higgins? Thats not NFL quality. This isn’t Madden, this is the NFL, and depth is important. The starters on this team aren’t incredibly talented at most positions, and the depth behind that is non existent.
Even if you’re excited about our first team it’s just a house of cards. Look at this article here and do the math. 3 players cut, 3 players placed on IR, for a total of 6 players lost. A journeyman fullback was added and a no name, undrafted, rookie DB from San Diego State were added. Thats 6 out 2 in, of course Lane has reason to complain.
by RaiderPete on Aug 25, 2008 3:38 PM PDT 0 recs
They have to be down to 75 players by tomorrow:
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 25, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
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Some Things That Ticked me Off:
This is the article that ticked me off this morning:
“You get some injuries like this, and now depth matters. If you don’t have it you better go find it.”
Then There was gary Peterson’s take on what he saw from Kiffin:
Kiffin’s comments may not be as provocative. But they are equally subversive, because it’s clear he is making them for effect. Every time he denigrates his players, or issues a call for more talent, he is blowing a raspberry at Al Davis. Kiffin is telling the world, “Can you believe this bag of elbows I have to work with?”
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 25, 2008 3:51 PM PDT
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So you're upset because
Lane feels that when you have injuries you should find replacements? You’re angry because all he has to work with at WR after his two starters is Johnie Lee Higgins?
Shouldn’t you be ripping Davis for the state of our backups instead of Lane having to explain to the front office, really slowly so they can understand him, how the waiver wires and personel decisions work?
by RaiderPete on
Aug 25, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
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Davis replaced Porter with Walker:
He added Carter and drafted Schillenz AND Shields. McFoy is Lane’s boy and Watkins has actually been quite a surprise.
Our receivers were terribel last year and he brought in James Lofton to coach them and upgraded them a lot, I believe. Just because boy wonder doesn’t have 3 Hall of Famers to work with, does that mean he should blow raspberries at the GM who did the best any GM could have done?
Who added more depth at WR this off-season? Would you say the we were AT LEASTmiddle of the pack? If so, then Davis did his job.
How many teams have teh depthat that we had at FB before O’Neal went down? Maybe Lane should concentrate on getting Bush some snaps at FB instead of blasting the Owner!!!
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 25, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
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As long as you want to cover for Al
and blame everyone else, from the head coach to Roger Goodell to the Patriots, this team will be amongst the worst teams in the NFL. There is no accountability for the front office, and every time someone in the organization says something about it they’re ran out of town.
What depth did Al Davis bring in at the WR spot? Two late round rookies? Javon Walker? Javon Walker is not a legitimate number 1. He had one good year, a couple contracts disputes and a couple knee injuries. Curry is an average reciever. Carter’s best year was 38 catches for 517 yards. The rest of the recievers? 7 catches for 66 yards in NFL games. Thats not good enough.
With Oren O’Neal on injured reserve and waiver claim Luke Lawton yet to arrive, running back Michael Bush got in some reps at fullback.
From Inside the Oakland Raiders (so were all of the quotes I used in my first comment). Looks like Lane is doing exactly that! Imagine that, a member of the Raiders being proactive! Lane is taking care of his job, and as long as he is doing that I’m happy to hear him call out Al Davis and this front office.
by RaiderPete on
Aug 25, 2008 6:37 PM PDT
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I don't believe Saint was referring to
Kiffin’s after the game comments, and neither was I. About a week ago Kiffin was complaining to the press that he couldn’t dump some guys who signed big contracts because he wasn’t allowed to, and went on to complain that he also couldn’t bring in other guys who were cut by other teams. I have followed the Raiders since ’62.
Unlike a lot of people I trust Al and his evaluation of talent. I suspect Kiffin wanted to unload Walker or perhaps some other guys who signed for a lot of money, and Al was unwilling to do that. No question Al has made some mistakes, but Kiffin is not a pro football genius either.
by Laoren on
Aug 25, 2008 6:59 PM PDT
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I would kill for Kiffin as OC i Denver!
“but Kiffin is nok a football genius either” – i guess you guys said so about Shanny…
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Aug 27, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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If
he stayed a Raider coach he might not have been. Certain factors motivate people more to succeed. It also didn’t hurt to be the Quarterbacks coach under Reeves and than become offensive coordinator for the Niners the year they won the Super Bowl.
by Raider76 on
Aug 27, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
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Kiffin Must Be Reading My Posts ;)
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 26, 2008 7:52 AM PDT
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Whether or Not Kiffin is tactful
…by using the press to make his point is certainly debatable. The bigger issue is that despite the infiusion of talent and money into the organization, it comes down to personel. WE ARE NOT DEEP AT SEVERAL KEY POSITIONS! Coach Kiffin is making his way through his 2nd training camp. I appreciate his attempts to make the most of the talent he has. The truth is we need some NFL experience at WR beyond the starters and hopefully it will come soon.
I don’t foresee a mutinee b/w the defense and offense in the same manner Buddy Ryan affected Mike Ditka. I see Kiffin working with what he has and conversing with Ryan on the sidelines about decisions. Heck, I’m glad he’s not satisfied b/c the last 4 years have been an outright embarrassment given the great history of this franchise. I blamed Charlie Finley for trying to sell off the A’s and I blame Al Davis for making imprudent football decisions. Nevertheless I apreciate the eforts of both Davis and Kiffin to improve this team. Will the egos of either step aside for the bigger picture remains to be seen.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
by Gerard on
Aug 25, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
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Im Pro KiFFin
i like Kiffins blunt honesty, we sometimes get too overhyped with optimism and forget we were a 4 win team a couple months ago and stunk the past 5 years worse than a used diaper with indian food in it
and it does seem that Kiffs going to use “not enough depth” as a crutch if he doesnt meet expectations
After my umbilical cord was cut, silver and black spewed out!!
by Beastusmaximus on
Aug 25, 2008 8:30 PM PDT
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Finally a guy with perspective!
realizing that injuries are a part of football. I’m not saying the Broncos have great depth either, so don’t rub that in my face, but we can all agree raider-depth on both sides of the ball a pretty much non-excistent.
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Aug 27, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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You Guys Are Great
I have been reading this web sight sense last year, I feel this is one of the best out there, where i can get the real story and very little BS, But this is the best back inforth discussion i have read in a very long time, the knowledge that everyone seams to have is great, it’s going to be a great season!!
by Raider231 on Aug 25, 2008 7:58 PM PDT 0 recs
how anyone could critcize kiffin for trying to take control of the team is beyond me
two years ago they were 2-14 and lucky not to be 0-16 they were so bad on offense and Al had brought in Art Freaking Shell as the head coach. Last year they were light years better, and much better than their 4-12 record indicated…But seriously 4-12 teams are bad for a reason and usually it’s due to lack of depth and lack of coach control in a coachs’ league. Now with the defensive personnel (still not a potential #1 defense guys—Come on, D Hall is great but he’s very overrated— He gives up a TON of big plays trying to make big plays—Still an upgrade over Washington or Routt by a lot, but the dude is not a shutdown corner—he can be beat) upgraded, people are talking as if Kiffin shouldn’t have anything to complain about… They still suck on the defensive line and offensive line, and I’m sorry but you can’t expect GREAT things out of a team that’s bad on both sides of the line. The Defense and Offense both start in the trenches, and a lot of Kiffin’s complaints are not getting enough defensive lineman and linebackers to look at to improve depth.
And to say that WALKER. JAVON WALKER. Javon I got my ass kicked partying in Vegas Walker. Javon I almost retired the 2nd day of training camp Walker. Or Javon I dropped a bunch of preseason passes Walker. Or Javon I caught 4 balls for 60 yards and look like an All-Pro compared to the last 2 years Walker. Or whatever you want to call him, to say that Kiffin should be on his hands and knees thanking Al Davis for the signing and praising him as a legitimate #1 is completely ludicrous.
The Raiders, for once, have a very soft schedule, and Denver and KC are looking at down years while the Chargers will most likely be -Merriman. This is an 8 win quality team that could easily suffer more injuries/freak (but normal for Raiders I guess) losses and only win 5 or 6 games. Or Kiffin can establish control, get this team close to penalty free by being able to put his own guys in rather than guys that Davis plugs in that rack up some big plays, but also a bunch of penalties and big plays in the wrong direction. If Kiffin gets control he could get this team up to 10 or 11 wins by having some good breaks and by taking advantage early of the soft schedule.
But believe me, if there is mutiny led by Davis in the coaching staff, ths is a 5 win team.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Aug 25, 2008 10:04 PM PDT 0 recs
I hear what your saying:
I guess that I am the “Optomist”.
Here is how I see it:
1) Javon Walker is the 2nd best receiver that we’ve had since Brown and Rice left. It can also be argued that, being that he is younger than any of them before they retired, he is “potentially” our second best receiver since 2000.
The offensive game plan has not been designed to take advantage of his abilities AT ALL. You can point to his two drops on short pass plays, one of which was a rocket that would have been a pretty nice catch, but, you also have to look at the two plays that he was open and Russell missed him. Believe me, if Russell doesn’t overshoot him when he was waving Bye Bye to the corner and safety, that would be good for nearly 6 and the other time he was overthrown he got his head handed to him and he just shook it off and got right back in the action.
I also look at who else was available; Bernard Berrian, Donte Stallworth, Bryant Johnson? How did we not get the best option for Russell by signing Javon?
As far as the defense goes, how can you NOT see a potential #1 defense?
- defenses force turnovers and aren’t usually on the field very much because they have ball control offenses.
Hall, Nnamdi, Huff at SS, Wilson, Howard, Morrison, Burgess and Kelly are a pretty stout core of 8.
Stanford has become the player that I envisioned him becoming when we drafted, he “may” even be the best nickle back in the League.
The rest of the team, Warren, Sands, Brown, Thomas, Williams, Richardson, Joseph, Scott, Branch and Edwards each have their own set of skills that can definitely be mix and matched to make this a #1 defense.
Barring significant injuries, I’ll go out on a limb and say that they rank #7, minimum in the League on Total defense.
On Lane Kiffin, I have been a big fan of Lane, and still am…to an extent…I am just tired of him calling out AD in the press instead of owning up to anything. Everything he says is, they they they, how about some Me me me. Take responsability for what you control and don’t point the finger at the front office.
I like the off-season moves, especially since the team was 6-26 in the past two years.
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 26, 2008 7:51 AM PDT
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But what he's
saying is he all he can control is plays, and even that’s a maybe. Walker’s overrated, and now we’re down another WR. So what can Kiffin control here?…oh yea, nothing.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on
Aug 26, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
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"Me me me" - tha raider slogan!
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Aug 27, 2008 11:30 AM PDT
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Saint
They used your article on realfootball365.
http://www.realfootball365.com/index.php/articles/raiders/12467
by Raider76 on Aug 26, 2008 1:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Right Arm:
I’m sure that it had as much to do with everyone’s thoughtful comments and passion for this team as it had to do with my initial piece. That is great!!!
Pride And Poise!!!
by saint on
Aug 26, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
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