Oakland Raiders News: A Few Quick Bones To Pick

by saint on Sep 23, 2008 10:35 AM PDT Comment 21 comments

For all of you who called me a "Homer" last week, I think I deserve an apology.

I said that the Raiders had the advantage in the Punting game, and we did. Parrish was a NON factor.

I said that it was a draw between the defensive line and the O-line depending upon which game plan they implimented and that IF we went with the KC gameplan we would get to Edwards. They did.

I said that our rushing offense had the advantage over their rush defense. I still can't believe that our healthiest RB who was gaining chunks of yards on every rush did n't get as many rushes as our injured RB. Then again, Kiffin stuck with a hobbled Jordan for two games last season until he finally blew up. I am still a bit ticked at this one because we could have run for two touchdown had we unleashed BUsh inside the 10.

I also said that our pass D would handle Lee Evans...Which they did until Warren, Burgess and Wilson went out. I still would have liked to see Nnamdi shadow Evans, but, when we had pressure and were playing our game Evans was a non factor. Edwards only had 95 yards passing at the end of the third quarter.

I am definitely a fan, and a die-hard at that, but to be labeled a homer is an insult.

Another bone I have to pick is with the officials who gave Wilson the boot but allowed the Buffalo defender to TACKLE Johnnie Lee from behind IN THE END ZONE.

That was GARBAGE. Wilson was being pulled down by his jersey after the whistle blew and he forcefully pushes the other player in the head and shoulder to get seperation and got tossed whereas the Buffalo defender straight up tackled JLH from behind after the play was over.

Another bone for the refs. No wonder two of our D-Linemen have torn arm muscles. You would too if you had to fight through hOLDS every fraking time you rushed the passer!!!

Yet another bone I have to pick is with everyone (Including myself) who cannot or did not see that your defense is limited when Burgess, Warren AND Wilson are on the bench and repolaced by a Tight End, a Tweener and a rookie with a cast on his hand who missed most of training camp.

And how about the Offensive line trying to run with Kwame AND Carlisle on the sideline?

The last bone I have to pick is with Lane Kiffin. Look, Lane, we love you, we really do. The Raider Nation supports you and knows that you will make mistakes and that you are sticking to a three year plan to build a great team.

Now, return the favor. Embrace the Raider Nation, say something like, "I want to return this great franchise to the top of the League where it should be", or, "I am only a small man standing on the shoulder of Giants like John Madden, Tom Flores and Al Davis".

Be a RAIDER or we won't have you much longer. You may not like it, but like they say "Wear IT" and you will be even more popular than ChuckY!!!

That's all I have for now, you can use this thread to pick your own bones or throw some back at me, all I know is that I feel much better after venting.

Cheers,

Saint

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You forgot Art Shell's shoulder.

by Bacon on Sep 23, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

To cry on?

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Sep 23, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

rofl

I am definitely a fan, and a die-hard at that, but to be labeled a homer is an insult.

Let’s not play coy here, you are as homer as they come. I don’t see why it’s a bad thing.

Rushing for 98 total yards, and then resting on what ifs to make your case is not something I’d call an advantage. Be it play calling or whatever else you want to blame, we still got the run stopped.

Same thing with the defense. You can’t sit here and say the defense did great things for 54 minutes (which they did) and then rely on what ifs. If we had the advantage in every area, we would have won that game.

You seem to think we are a good team already, and that’s okay. I will say that I saw a lot of good things in that game, but we are still a season away (with the same coach) before we are really effective at what we are doing.

You are saying unleash Bush, and I am saying give Russell more freedom. You are trying to blame Lane Kiffin for making rookie mistakes he is going to make, and telling him to bow down to the old fart who has given us 61 losses in the last 5 years. As if Al Davis possesses the guidance he once did to nurture Lane, and bring him along slowly.

The fact that you still have any hope for Al Davis at all lends credence to the homer tag I put on you last week. If you can’t see that man is out of touch and needs to step down, then you’re irreparably a yaysayer. Again, don’t act like that’s a bad thing. At least you’re somewhat objective and optimist, and a good writer. Just don’t act like you’re above the criticism.

by Amoc on Sep 23, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Never above critique:

I just thought that I made some good calls last week and was labeled a homer. Now if they asked me how the Raider receivers would fare against the Bills DB’s or even the University of Buffalo’s DBs, that would be a different story.

AND injuries played a HUGE part in the game AND if Gibril got tossed then so should the Buffalo guy have. That’s all.

And I guess I am a homer…I guess that’s what being a member of the Raider Nation is all about…I guess that because I like every single one of the players who was brought in here over the off-season, except for Javon, at this point, I am a homer.

I agree that we need this same coach for one more seasn in order to truly be effective at what we are doing.

- Homer Saint :)

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Sep 23, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s not a bad thing. Embrace it. It’s passion. 5 years ago coming off of that Super Bowl appearance my homer light was burning so bright. Now, after watching my beloved franchise run into the ground (I’m only 21 years old BTW, so I don’t have history on my side like you and others around here do) my patience is wearing thin, and my homer light isn’t as blinding as it was before.

I will agree with you in that you did make some good calls, and the raiders played far better than I imagined they could (against a real good team.) The homer comment was more on the fact that you gave the Bills the advantage in not one area. I found that ridiculous. You were on the ball with your comments, but I think you gave us a bit too much credit.

by Amoc on Sep 23, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Like Kiffin's Comments Yesterday:

“We’re looking forward to coming back home in front of our fans. We still remember what happed last time we were here. We’re fired up to get back in front of our fans in our stadium and play the way we’re supposed to at home and get ourselves a win against a playoff caliber team and get to 2-2. Go into the bye and get healthy. We have a big chance to get a win here and get rolling.”

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Sep 23, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just like the fact that Kiffin fronts to be above these media circus and crazy dictator owner shenanigans. We haven’t had a coach that could refrain from getting sucked in (and subsequently snapping) in a while.

Did you see the video of the Raiders Press Director yelling at Tim Kawakami over that blog entry he wrote about the Raiders circulating critical articles about Kiffin?

Hilarious.

“You wanna throw a punch at me?”

“I’d f*cking love to, Tim.”

“Yeah, and I’d love to own part of this franchise, so do it.”

by Amoc on Sep 23, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fantastic DRAMA:

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Sep 23, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It just goes to show how petty everyone is being. The sad truth is that the Raiders dysfunction sells a paper, or gets a click. To be Kiffin and having to deal with it though, must be awful.

by Amoc on Sep 23, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stop wearing...

your feelings on your shirt sleeve Saint. A lot of things you are but you are no Homer.

I disagree about Wilson. You don’t openly hit a guy in the face. Not when the ref is looking anyway. The last thing we needed was him out of the game at that point. HIS BAD.

I totaly agree with you on Bush. How many times you going to let DMAC fall on his ass without being touched before you change your game plan. Nothing against DMAC, when healthy he is the man but Bush should have been asked to step up.

Injuries stessing me out this week. Hope they are only minor.

I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!

by sabp on Sep 23, 2008 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I guess I missed the "homer" charge

but all I can say is who cares? Any fan of a team can be labeled a homer, that is what a fan is all about.
You blame Kiffin more than I do, I blame Ryan and his “soft zone” which he loves to play when the Raiders get a 3 pt. lead. My god, the defensive backs were laying 20 yds. off the line of scrimmage, I won’t go so far as to say I could complete the passes but any average QB could. He almost lost the KC game also except that Morrison intercepted a pass.
Ryan is the one who should go, not Kiffin. I have no doubts that Kiffin will be gone during the bye week. Just another in a long line of recent Davis mistakes. I am so sad that some old timers who he might listen to have no corralled Al and calmed him down. I am sure he would listen to Flores or Madden but then again maybe they understand that Al doesn’t listen to anyone.
For all my hope and expectations this year I fear it is going to be another very bad year.

by Laoren on Sep 23, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

So. then Kiffin didn't say

"There’s no way I’m quitting, and that has nothing to do with money at all," said Kiffin. "That has to do with our players. I talked a lot of these players into coming here at some point — money has a lot do with that — during free agency over the last two years. A lot of our coaches, I recruited them and their families to come here and build this thing together.

"The last thing I’m going to do is quit the way that you guys talk about quitting, or even quitting behind closed doors. … Because I believe we can turn this thing around. There’s a lot of good things going the right direction."

So, that’s not showing any Raider pride? Saying he’s not giving up?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 23, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it has more to do with showing Al up

than any sort of Raider pride.

Is it just me or does Davis seem completely paralyzed by someone standing up to him? Al has always been able to push people in the Raiders organization around, give them a letter of resignation and tell them to sign it and what not, but now he’s got this punk kid who tells him no and tells him how the NFL works in the 2000’s and he doesn’t know what to do. I don’t think Lane has saved his job as a Raider head coach, he’ll probably be gone early next week, but I think he extended his stay in Oakland by standing up to the old man.

by RaiderPete on Sep 23, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shanahan, Gruden... and Kiffin...

we all know how this is going to end. Badly, for the Silver and Black.

And, he’ll appoint Lofton or Ryan as “interim” head coach. Lovely.

Next year, we’ll probably have another White, Bugel, Callahan or Shell as head coach.

I hope Al is too cheap to fire Kiffin and pay him. It’s our last, best hope.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Sep 24, 2008 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Saint... the fact that you moderate this site...

makes you a “homer.” Like Laoren says: “Who cares?” Anyway, I would say that what you said, for the most part, was correct.

But, where the fuck is the bone to pick with Rob Ryan? The guy ran a prevent defense for the entire 4th quarter and gave away the game. That’s not Kiffin’s fault… nor, is it the fault of any single defender or defensive unit. The defense dominated this game for 3 quarters and, then, went limp-dicked on Ryan’s orders in the 4th.

If there is anybody I’d fire this week, it’d by Ryan.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Sep 24, 2008 2:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The defense

was without Warren and Gibril Wilson! I would say that played a fairly significant part of the defensive lapse at the end of the game. Kelly and Sands are not in shape to go play-after-play without a break, and the rotation was messed up when Warren went out. A first down or two from Kiffin’s offense in those last 6 minutes would have helped though.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Sep 24, 2008 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If You Guys Haven't Read This Yet:

You Need Too.

I’ve never read him speak like this.

“There’s so many things where you could point to one play here or there. The one drive was 106 yards because there was a 10-yard penalty in there and there’s three third downs. Two of the third downs we have the guy tackled and he gets out of it to make the first down. If you’re feeling good about yourself in this organization after that, then you’re not our type of guy because every person should be feeling that they could have done something better. I know that’s the way I feel.”

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Sep 24, 2008 7:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea

he said it to THomas Howard And Nnamdi on the way home from the Buffalo game. But he didn’t yell @ them. He talked to them like people. Very tactful

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 24, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

it’s good to see you be a little less aggressive towards the guy now.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 24, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

(Saint) Homer

When you going to the game Sun? We are getting pics done of the baby Sat in SC and then coming home so let’s just meet in OAK. I may have an extra club tix so either you or wifey can bring baby into the club for a more relaxing experience for them.

Hit up my cell

by Bud Light on Sep 24, 2008 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs