Oakland Raiders News: John Gruden & Bruce Allen Are Fired In Tampa

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 16, 2009 4:06 PM PST Comment 29 comments

Vengence is MINE sayeth the Dark Sith Lord Raider (Al Davis).

After spiraling downward after trading Gruden to the Bucs and then getting whipped by him in the Super Bowl, Al Davis finally has his revenge.

Not only did his team, led by "interim" Coach Tom Cable end Gruden's season with a surprising road win in the season finale. They actually ended his tenure, (Or in Rickey-ish "seven year") as Head Coach of the Bucs.

Gruden's final record was 57-55 with a team, many say it was actually Tony Dungee's team, that he took to the Super Bowl and won with.

Many would say that is a decent record, but, in reality it was an underachieving record and I am sure that losing to a 4-11 team on the final day of the season ended his fate.

As for Bruce Allen, he joined Gruden in smugly and very tongue in cheekishly giving raspberries and tossing barbs at their one time employer, and it is looking like Al Davis is having his best off-seaon in years!!!!

Gruden - Fired

Allen - Fired

Rat-a-han - Fired

Chris Mortenson - Found to be a "Liar"

Now if someone could just get Lombardi excused from the NFL Network all of his voo-doo work will be complete.

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Bring back Gruden!

Sorry wishful thinking. Just got a little excited.

by Raider76 on Jan 16, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Naw

I like Calbe for now. But, I would like the addition of Gilbride as OC. I hope

Wack To Mack With The General and The Back. (J-Mac and D-Mac)

by Rayder K on Jan 16, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

To me Cable

doesn’t seem like the answer. I think he is better suited coaching the O-line instead of being the head coach.

by Raider76 on Jan 16, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But

he doesn’t seem like NOT the answer. He made some questionable decisions, but he learned. I think he’d be alright to bring back for a full season. The players seem to like him and we need consistency.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 16, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Consistency is

great but Cable to me is not the answer. He struggled during his time to find enough touches for McFadden. That to me is a sign that this guy is not ready to be a coach.

by Raider76 on Jan 17, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

McFadden did have turf toe for alot of the season, and even when he played, like in the first KC game, he was tripping and everything. I don’t think Cable is the wrong answer. Maybe not the perfect answer, but not the wrong answer. I’d like to see how it is when it’s his team from the start and not taking over for someone.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 17, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We should get the hire right first!

I prefer Cable as the O-line coach but thats just me.

by Raider76 on Jan 18, 2009 1:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He won't

stay here as O-line coach without a raise. He still may go to Seattle.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 18, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bring both all back

Allen as GM
Gruden as coach
Cable as OC

by Bud Light on Jan 16, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Gruden is terribly over rated

For all the talk of his supposed offensive genius, his teams are notoriously predictable.
He won with the defense he inherited and the defense won for him, when they got old, his record suffered. We don’t need him berating Russell and changing QB’s. I would love for Allen to come back, he was a breath of fresh air in the Raider organization, just not sure Al would hire him back. I really don’t know if Allen burned his bridges with Al, I was in China at the time so didn’t read about any comments he might have made.
I just want Al to hire Cable and then get the DC and OC guys in place.

by Laoren on Jan 16, 2009 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Word

He won tony dungy’s bucs championship.

He road coattails to get to his “revenge” on us and was discovered to be a dud when his tenure in Tampa lengthened.

Play more Conan!

by oaklandSMASH on Jan 17, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I have a feeling

Monte Kiffin leaving had some part of this.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 16, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Is it really vengence

when Gruden instantly became Al’s best option to fill his head coaching (potentially non-) vacancy?

And Mortensen wasn’t found to be a liar.

by RaiderPete on Jan 16, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The thing is

Davis’ didn’t really dislike Gruden. I think her actually respected the guy. Gruden wanted more money. Which he may have deserved. So would Davis and Gruden make peace and work together again? Maybe. Davis would have to swallow more pride, give him some money, but we’d get Allen back too.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 16, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Head Coach

I’d take Gruden over any coach available right now.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 16, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bring

him back and get Gannon out of retirement!

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 16, 2009 11:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

um...

…no…

Play more Conan!

by oaklandSMASH on Jan 17, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gannon

did not retire on his choice. He can’t ever play again and expect to survive after the helmet to helmet collision in Miami.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 17, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It was

in Oakland against Tampa Bay.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Jan 17, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I knew

it was one of those Floridian teams.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 18, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It was against Tampa's linebacker brooks

Wack To Mack With The General and The Back. (J-Mac and D-Mac)

by Rayder K on Jan 25, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gruden

Gruden was innovative with his scheme, but he got comfortable and did the same things. The league changes and adapts very quickly. I want someone who is aggressive and doesnt rest on his past accomplishments. We need an established head coach and a young OC IMO. Same on defense, I dont want someone who is scared to take chances. Bring in young guys trying to make a name for themselves.

by nateroddick20 on Jan 17, 2009 1:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

WTF?

Okay, I am confused. Al Davis gets his REVENGE? Revenge for what? He TRADED Gruden! Not sure why Oakland fans are STILL upset that Gruden left, but it’s not like he got up and quit, he was FORCED TO LEAVE! As for riding Dungy’s coattails, well Gruden is TB’s winningest coach in their franchise history.
Is there something wrong with the water in Oakland? Why is what Gruden doing of any concern to Oakland, he’s been gone for years! GET OVER IT. The raiders suck! GO STEELERS!

by Budsgal on Jan 19, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

If he was forced to leave

he would have been fired. He traded Gruden because Gruden wanted more money. TB wanted Gruden. So we got money and draft picks from TB for Gruden. The reason fans are upset is cuz he was the last coach that we won with. Not that Davis gives any coach a chance. And I know i’ll get flamed for this, but I think Kiffin had what it took. But Gruden essentially did want to leave or get paid more. And he probably deserved the money too.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 19, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

There are a few of us here

who would agree with you on the Kiffin comment. If given time and more freedom I think Kiffin could’ve turned this organization around.

by Raider76 on Jan 19, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't doubt for a minute

Kiffin is a manipulator. And he may have actually been one of the few people to use Davis for his own gains. And that alone makes me think he’ll be back in the NFL again. And he’ll be good.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 20, 2009 4:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he came in that way.

I think once he noticed how much control he actually had thats when he started to use Davis. Kiffin and Davis are almost the same in that they are both stubborn and question authority.

by Raider76 on Jan 20, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You suck you piece of s**t what the hell are you even doing on this forum anyway.This is Silver & Black pride,not Squeelers pride.I am sure you have your own little black and yellow little bumble bee forum somewhere.I can’t wait till the Cardinals kick your stupid asses in the superbowl.

by joevcool on Jan 21, 2009 6:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gannon/Gruden - Today

You don’t hear much anymore about the edge Gruden took into the Super Bowl game his team (Tampa) won. At the time a lot was made about Gruden having the Raders’ number and if you watched the game it seemed like Tampa knew what we were going to do b-4 we did! I’ve always put a lot of it on Robbins, his screw up not only gave Gannon a new center he hadn’t worked much with, but Robbins made all the O-line calls and he was in some bed nursing a mega hangover during the game. What I find interesting is that the same basic senioro is in play with our game today and nobody is talking about it: KW and a lot of the rest of the Cardinal coaching staff have Steeler roots. It will be interesting to me to see how much the boys in red and white “KNOW” about the Steelers. As for Chucky – give me a break, there is noway he’s coming back and after his past few years why would we want him?

by Arizona Raider Jim Bob on Feb 1, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs