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Is Russell the Next E. Manning, Carr or Leaf


Player (W-L) PA-PC-PCT-YDS-TD-HIT-Rating
Russell (6-14) 507-264-52.0-3,153-15-13-70.5
Manning (10-10) 648-334-51.5-4,105-27-24-69.9
Carr (6-14) 564-307-54.4-12-20-65.4

These numbers are shockingly similar.  The stats were lifted from this article by Jerry McDonald
Not sure what HIT is.  I am guessing INT.

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The half full side of me has voiced comparisons of Russell to Manning.  I base this on Manning's early accuracy issues, questioned leadership, perception of a lackadaisical attitude and his first signs of greatness coming via leading come from behind wins.

I will forever remember watching this Keith Olbermann piece, where he uses Manning’s come from behind wins as a sign of QB greatness.  This was at a time when Eli was looking as lost as Russell is now.  I promptly told Olbermann, through my TV, to lay down his crack pipe and take some sane pills.

Then there is the half empty side of me, which thinks Russell does not work hard enough to make this a reality.  Reading and listening to the comments of fans and media one gets the impression the only thing Russell works on is eating, cashing checks and partying. 

Coughlin has said that Manning bust his ass to improve while Cable says Russell has sufficently improved his work ethic. 

Both of these are hard-nosed coaches who are not afraid to speak their mind concerning player’s work ethics.  I am inclined to take them at their word.  While saying someone has improved their work ethic is certainly different than busting his ass, it is enough for me to not give up hope on this comparison. 

The half empty side of me points out that Russell is comparable to David Carr in one big aspect: they do/did not have much to work with.  Manning has been fortunate to spend his career being protected by a solid offensive line. 

Russell and Carr both were forced to operate with suspect protection.  It is hard judging to what degree line play derailed Carr's career, but it easy to see that not having time to set, throw and read defenses can stunt a QB's development.

Combine this with the fact that both Carr and Russell have/had to battle learning new offensive systems and you are looking at another sure fire way to stunt the growth of a QB.  Look at the continuity Eli has enjoyed.

The other comparison tossed around with Russell's name is Ryan Leaf.  Russell's completion percentages and QB rating this season have been in the dreaded Leaf range. 

I have never felt this was valid.  Leaf had some serious arm injuries and also there was no questioning his work ethic- it was just known that he did not have one.

Also, Leaf behaved like a total jackass to basically everyone.  Russell is a likeable enough individual that I am not going to compare him to Ryan Leaf.  There will forever be only one Ryan Leaf in my mind and this is coming from a guy who did not understand how anyone could possibly draft Peyton Manning over the can't miss talent of one Mr. Ryan Leaf.

I still think that given a good offensive line and a little continuity in system, Russell's career will inspire comparisons to Eli Manning.  Of course, I have been wrong before.  On that note I feel compelled to mention that: Keith Olbermann is almost as wise as the men who drafted P. Manning over Leaf.

 

Poll
Jamarcus Russell's career is most likely to resemble
Eli Manning
25 votes
David Carr
33 votes
Ryan Leaf
74 votes

132 votes | Poll has closed

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Sample size still too small

I equate Russell to a young minor league pitching prospect with huge upside because of his “stuff”, but very raw with issues of command and control. Also, the reason you don’t normally put much weight into certain stats of minor league pitchers, such as, W-L and ERA, is because minor league pitches usually have very inferior defenses behind the that adversely effect their results.

The problem with Russell, is that he was brought up to the “Major Leagues”, but unfortunately the offense, including game planning and play calling, with the exception of Zach Miller, is still very much in the minor leagues.

The solution: The only viable thing that can be done now is to play it out for the rest of the season and hope that Russell will show some progress by the end of the season. Russell was doomed from the moment the Raiders inherently abandoned the commitment to the running game, decided to go with two rookie wide receivers and Tom Cable believing that he was an offensive coordinator and play caller.

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by TheRaiderWay on Oct 10, 2009 3:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Abandoning the running game and going with a bunch of rookie receivers

hasn’t helped things but Russell needs to get some blame as well as many of his passes couldn’t have been caught by Jerry Rice or Tim Brown.

His lack of accuracy has been stunning and until that improves he has no chance and neither do the Raiders.

by sirbed on Oct 10, 2009 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Russell does get some of the blame.

I’m not saying the Russell is blameless, I’m saying he is a “sum of all the parts” and all of the parts of this offense, except Zach Miller, are to be blamed.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Oct 10, 2009 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is most important

is what you said CABLE THINKS HE IS A OC and PLAY CALLER!

Cable needs to pass the reins to either Tollner or Hackett and see what happens My pick is Hackett

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Oct 10, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting post noontide

at least you’re bringing some actual facts to yet another JaMarcus Russell post and I have to say I appreciate that.

While I don’t think JaMarcus Russell will become the next Eli Manning the stats you provide do point out that in many ways Russell’s first 20 starts are similar to Manning’s (wins being the obvious difference).

Manning of course had a much better team around him and I think having a quarterback father and brother were two advantages that obviously JaMarcus doesn’t have.

Until Russell shows a commitment to wanting to get better and starts having his passes be at least in the same time zone as his receivers he has little chance to succeed but I think you have to give him the rest of the season to see if he can figure it out.

by sirbed on Oct 10, 2009 3:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i want to see what gradkowski can do

and hear me out i dont believe that he is the future of the franchise but iwanna see how much of this offense ineptitude is Russel or how much it is the team around him… until we see what another QB can do with the same team then we cant compare QB’s…but i think we are all frustrated thier have been problems with starting two rookie wideouts thats not a thing that should be done on any team in the nfl…the injuries toi the oline havent helped either and the play calling has been stale we need some fresh ideas on that side of the ball… in my opinion this defense will continue to get better and be the strength of this team… i hope

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by TheAutumnWind on Oct 10, 2009 6:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i like how manning is winning on the poll : D

i dont know how many other successful QBs made progress, then regressed at the start of their 3rd year. remain optimistic though..

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Oct 10, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

eli manning

also didnt lose his recievers he still had plax and toomer and shockey..not two rookie recievers and didnt have a third different playcaller and still had a good running game three things that russell has to deal with…when you look at it why wasnt eli more successful with those recievers and that running game

by pablopaul25 on Oct 10, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It takes a big man to admit he liked leaf over manning

and is probably what Al would have done given the chance :)

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by Ozraider on Oct 10, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good piece, Noontide

Glad somebody was able to find something to be optimistic about amidst the carnage of this season.

by rightnasty on Oct 10, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't compare JR to any of these guys, but especially not Manning

Manning is too innately loaded with football knowledge. He is what we expected him to be. He was drafted as having a high floor, and that at the very least, he’d be a good qb. He has shown the ability to do what it takes to win games, and fits into the scheme, even though I’ll always have lost a little respect for him for the whole SD draft thing, though I know Archie and Eli’s agent were largely responsible.

He’s no Leaf; he’d be much better if blocking were better and he had more polished route runners and guys who can catch, hence the chemistry between him and Zach and Schilens.

I guess I would say Carr, but I don’t see Jamarcus being relegated to backup as quickly as David has, even if he continued to tank with the Raiders. He’d compete for starting jobs on other teams.

That’d be the most interesting thing to see: how JRock would play on the Cardinals? The Colts? The Patriots?

You have to believe better receivers, linemen, and play calling and we’d see totally different numbers. Probably work ethic too.

by brhynno on Oct 10, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken

All QB’s mentioned have had a more stable coaching staff to learn from.
JR hasn’t been that lucky.

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Oct 10, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well EXCEPT for LEAF

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Oct 10, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go again, and even though I like the facts with the comparisons I’m still not sold on JR as a QB. It is his 3rd year and while he may not have had a whole lot of continuity with the coaching staff he still should have been able to at least learn to read a defense, take a look at the first game up until now and tell me what you see, it wasn’t bad at first because teams were expecting a QB that could pass but now the whole league knows we can’t throw so now every play has 8 guys in the box and at least one blitzing LB or CB which is taking it’s toll on an avg. o-line. I agree with seeing how Gradkowski does and if he is able to string togeter a few drives then I say it’s time to cut Russel loose!

by smalljaw on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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