Raiders Appear to be Preparing to Follow Gannon's Advice (UPDATED)
by Raybin on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
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PrintThat is to say, if the following story is accurate, they appear to be trying to blow the team up and start again.
Per Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, via Pro Football Talk.com, we have this report:
Report: Fire sale in the Black Hole Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 1:12 PM ET We pointed out Saturday that the early emergence of bad teams coupled with the desperation that some other franchises might be feeling could make for a more active eleventh-hour trading cycle.
One of the aforementioned bad teams is already trying to move some merchandise.
According to Jay Glazer of FOX, the Raiders have been calling around the league and generally offering anyone in which other franchises might be interested.
The only exceptions? The "really young talented guys."
The question is now: Who is exempt from being moved and what are the Raiders trying to acquire?
My own guess at the "off-limits" list:
Zach Miller
That's only about one-third of the active roster, which leaves the team with a lot of options. Obviously, not all those guys are "young" but there are some veterans that they're just not going to move: Asomugha, Seymour, Gallery, for instance.
The problem with that list, of course, is that it contains virtually every truly talented player on the roster that other team might be interested in. And as the old saying goes, "You gotta give something to get something." I don't have Huff on the list because I honestly think they'd be open to offers for him, even though he's played much better this season. Who knows if he'll regress again? I also have to think they'd be open to offers for Tyvon and Kirk, much as I want them both to remain Raiders for a long time. They might also be willing to trade away Bryant and Shaughnessy, but I'd be surprised, especially since they seem to want to build around youth and vigor.
Obviously, there are no specific rumors yet, so I don't know if the Raiders would be angling for draft picks or players. Certainly they'd have to get some players simply to fill out the 53 man roster, unless they plan on a wholesale plunder of other team's practice squads.
Some teams with running back depth problems might be interested in Fargas. Others might be willing to trade for veteran D-line experience in Greg Ellis. Maybe you could find a team willing to take a flyer on Kelly or Warren.
The point I think now is to get the young guys more experience. No doubt Greg Ellis is much better than Matt Shaughnessy, even at age 34. But if you can get a decent O-lineman or a veteran WR, for instance, why not do it and let Shaughnessy get in there and learn and develop. The season is already lost anyway, let's face it.
UPDATE: Further information comes from NFL.com
There are issues in Oakland. That’s not news. Coach Tom Cable acknowledged many of them Monday while meeting with reporters, saying “The problem is not who we’re playing, the problem is us.” As the trade deadline approaches on Oct. 20, Lombardi notes that the Raiders have called “a lot of teams” and everyone is available with the exception of about five or six players, a group that includes CB Nnamdi Asomugah and QB JaMarcus Russell. “The Raiders want to shake it up, and certainly, they should,” Lombardi said. “They’re 1-4, they’re pathetic offensively. They need to do something to kind of stimulate and change the culture of the football team.”
Wow. I speculated yesterday (as you can see above this) that the "do not trade" list might include 15 or 16 people, not 5 or 6. Davis really is intent on blowing up the team if he can. Maybe that's what needs to be done, but I don't trust him to rebuild it right.
It actually scares me knowing the "off limits" list is that small. We may end up losing some good and beloved players and I worry we're going to be hosed in return. Maybe I was wrong above and Davis is jettisoning the "youth and upside" movement for his old "castoffs and veterans" approach. I will completely meltdown if that happens.
Oh and Mike Lombardi of all people ought to know the culture will never change in Oakland until Davis relinquishes the helm.
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Sure but we have a veteran WR who claims he is well and ready…..Walker! Why isn’t he playing and why isn’t he starting over DHB.
Russell needs to go but I’m sure no one wants to take that risk. He is damaged goods after being with the Raiders. He has been given more than enough reps and time to develop into a decent QB. He has failed and he shows no signs of even trying to dig out of the hole he has dug. He is still heavy, he can’t throw an accurate pass to save his life, and he doesn’t have HEART or LEADERSHIP.
I watched the Falcon game yesterday and listened to them talk about Matt Ryan and how he preps for games. I know Russell isn’t Ryan but we passed on Ryan. I guess Ryan receives the game plan on Friday prior to the game and he studies it. He has been doing this since his rookie season. Why won’t Russell take this sort of initiative. Why won’t Russell stay late after practices with the WR to toss passes, why doesn’t he show up early to study game film of the defense. Because he is not a leader, he doesn’t care, and he has over 30 million guaranteed reasons not to.
Walker has been blackballed for the knee surgery incident!!!
Oh yeah, and something about getting manhandled in Vegas…
The Vegas incident was last yaer, and he played last year
I’m pretty sure it’s the fact he didn’t tell anyone about his surgery.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Sign Marvin Harrison!
Then trade Fargas, our 2nd and our 3rd round draft pick for Shaun Rogers!
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
i agree
fargas is a great guy and epitomizes teamowrk and dedication
but he isnt producing on the field like he used to…
also huff needs to stay… i like him. hell only get better when effected by being around nnam.
the whole secondary has
and definitely dont let go of branch
out of everyone on the team id say he works the hardest on the field
he has a knack for being in the right place at the right time
n he seems to be the onlyh one who knows how to tackle….
by S.D. Raider on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Amazed we haven't
IF you wanted Veteran Leadership and a All-pro calibre WR then Marvin Harrison sitting at home and not playing was the guy. But we have Javon Walker not playing instead and the Hands of Stone of DHB playing!
Sign some talent. But the Fire-sale just sends the message that we are done and finished in week 5 and looking to next year. That is so dumb it shows why Davis is the NUMBER ONE guy that needs to go now. Get him out, a quality coach like Gruden in with the ability to draft and trade and call what he likes and to choose HIS coaches.
I have been backing Russell
and making excuses from day one, no longer. It is so clear that he has no leadership qualities, questionable work ethic, and can anyone in their right mind ever envision a scenario where Russell will get into a huddle and lead the team down the field? It will never happen. I am totally convinced now that Russell truly doesn’t care. When you have to beg your QB to take charge, when you have to fine him to get in shape, when you have to encourage him to work a little extra, then you have no chance. The problem the Raiders now face is that next year they will have to waste another first round pick on a QB while paying this one millions of dollars.
We already missed the boat
Could have had Cutler, Vick or Cassel. Could have made a move for Boldin or Marshall. Could have done a lot of things, but didn’t. Seymour’s nice, but wrong line to be fixing.
Have you heard a Jruss interview?
The dude is not too bright at all… Not the face of an organization… but he did have a lot of jewelry on!!! What a shame!
IMO this is what has to happen
we gotta trade Asomugha he is a blue chip talent that can get us a great couple picks he will be out of his prime by the time were good any way why not get rid of him while he has some value to us..
.then i say we keep mario henderson and gallery to build around with bush too
trade DMC we dont need him keep Z miller and DHB only cuz were stuck with him and louis murphy trade chaz schillens keep JLH
trade huff and morrison and howard on the defense keep mitchell and branh at the saftey position then cut warren and kelly keep ellis and seymour thats how u rebuild this mess
hopefully we can draft better than we have in the first round like a C and RT in the first round please and then a CB and LB and DT
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."
you're probably right about that, but man does that ever hurt...
we’re already disassembling the team we pulled so hard for. This sucks.
You don't trade away
the players that ARE doing their job for picks we’ll fuck up?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Exactly
How can you trade Morrison and Howard? We can’t even trade one of them because we have no good linebackers besides them. We would have to start our whole linebacking group from scratch. Who would we start? Ricky Brown is not very good and plus he’s injured. Sam Williams sucks. Isaiah Ekeijuba is a special teamer. Jon Alston is decent, but not good enough to be our #1 linebacker. So bad plan to trade Howard and/or Morrison. Huff I agree could be traded if the price is right. Don’t trade Schilens because he’s got potential to be our best WR. Trade Ellis because we can’t build around a 34 year old who is leaving after this season anyways. Trade Gallery because he’s solid, but can potentially be replaced in the draft. Trade Chris Johnson because some teams really could use a cover corner, and he’s not worth keeping around if we can get some good value in return.
I know! that's what I mean, though, Afraid I'll see the guys I looked forward to seeing the most each week
Be wearing another team’s uniform to my chagrin the next season… I pray he stays a Raider.
Unless of course they keep tanking. In which case I hope he goes on to win super bowls with teams that earn them.
lay off the pipe
keep aso until he retires. hes great. hes the best both as a weapon and in the strategy.
get rid of routt and sign mcalister
keep bush and dmc get rid of fargas, russel, get a vet RB
keep schilens miller, higgins, myers, walker, murphy. drop dhb like a bad habit along with watkins sorry ass. pick up marvin harrison and maybe wait till burress gets out of jail to get him,
KEEP HUFF AND CAPTAIN KIRK and howard, cut hiram eugene, get a vet or a rookie in FS, cut alston and get a big, fast, rookie linebacker or trade alston for orakpo.
keep seymore, ellis, sands, lose warren, find another big n fast guy that will eat up double teams like nothing.
SHAWN MERRIMAN IN HIS LAST YEAR!
i know we all hate him, but his talent is unmistakable, hes a force wherever he goes. hes a guy quarterbacks spend all week studying. he is a bastard and can suck on mmy dick, but hes good….
draft mostly OL so we can have some depth, then a ROLB at a decent price.
oh and steal the chargers’ scout. they find good people…
by S.D. Raider on Oct 18, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
what would anybody want with any of the other scrubs?
it’s questionable if some of the guys from your list are untouchables and what we might get for them at this point too, especially with the money they’re getting.
I hate that we’re even having this discussion. I believe this group of guys is much better than the results too, and a well executed game plan and accountability for executing it by both coaches and players would be awesome, and we’d probably see totally different results. Instead, we get yesterday…
The bombing the building and cleaning house will be the next thing we’re criticized for, and probably rightfully so. The Al infection has permeated too much of the organization, and ineptitude is the outcome, from the top down.
Trades? It won't help.
Any new additions are going to be plugged into ineffective schemes and a toxic working environment. We have talented players! Don’t forget that we have major potential here.
Step 1: Sit down JaMarcus. Gradkowski is not a top 10 QB and will not ever be. He is, however, accurate and motivated. Take a lesson from the Niners who, in a similar situation, gave Alex Smith way too much time. The entire team feels hopeless with him under center.
Step 2: Fire Cable. He is a fantastic O-Line coach and it is a shame that we ruined the chance of keeping him in that capacity by hiring him to perform a job he is unqualified to do. Promote Marshall to HC and find a proven coach somehow in the offseason by giving him status of GM too. Cowher or Schottenheimer in my fantasy world.
Step 3: Draft the very best middle LB in the first so we can get Morrison back to his natural outside backer position. I think this is the biggest issue with our run D.
Step 4: If Gradkowski doesn’t surprise us (which I think he would), we should find a solid #2 QB like a Kevin Kolb in the offseason.
Step 5: Spend the big bucks on O-Line FA’s!
Peja-vu!
NO STEP 1 is to:
TRADE AL DAVIS TO THE BRONCOS so he could sabotage that organization…
Step 2: Hire Gruden
Then everything after will just fall into place.
No players on this squad should be off limits
as far as being traded. The team is not going to win this year so why not add as many picks as possible.
uh because
we fuck up all the picks that we get. why ruin a sure thing with a gamble?
by S.D. Raider on Oct 18, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
PICKS ARE GARGAGE FOR THIS TEAM!!!
Even if we get a #7 pick for Nnamdi, we’d draft a fast guy with no hands or a QB who can’t spell wishbone!
Al Davis is the problem and so are his cronies.
He said that it was time for him to bring in a GM and he DID NOTHING!!!
We passed on Maclin, Harvin, Crabtree, Monroe, Raji and MANY more to draft a guy with two catches and 8 drops!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Oct 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
ur right
we have so much talent and nothing to show for it … schemes form the 60’s on offense more suited for daryle lamonica than jamarcus russel
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."
by TheAutumnWind on Oct 12, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I was praying for Maclin, Raji or Oher
Even cynical old me didn’t think Al would actually draft DHB at #7. He continues to find new ways to disgust me.
Nor did I; I actually wanted Crabtree, but figured we would take Maclin
and for some reason completely ignored the fact that DHB was the track star Al was always after, even though it was known by the more insightful guys covering drafts.
Came to be glad we didn’t go after Crabtree, and remain hopeful DHB will pan out, but what pisses me off most, is if we were a good drafting team, we’d have either used the first pick for Raji, or the best other defensive player available, or traded down in the first round or top of the second, packaged some picks for next year, and still could’ve gotten both DHB and Mitchell, if they indeed, “wanted him” so badly.
But we’re a horrible drafting team, ignore the real needs, take the guys whose track speed we’re enamored by and who everyone else is puzzled over, and less than half of picks even pan out.
its not DHBs fault that JRock sucks!!!!
leave that kid alone until you get a QB that can throw enough passes to him in order for you to make an assessment Chris Carter! the receivers can’t catch passes that aren’t thrown to them, or any body else on the field of play for that matter!
Moving Garage Sale at the Davis Estate!
What do people do just before they move? Sell all the old junk you wont need in your new home. And in the Raiders case is a 2nd home in L.A. . I Love IT ! We need to dump Fargas,Walker and the Coach before we move! Build in the draft or have the next coach (Jon Gruden,Marty,Edwards) come in and pull some stars to the NEW LA RAIDERS !!!
by LaRaider on Oct 12, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
CDinSD is spot on!! Gradkowski isn’t much of a QB but he is 100% better than Russell plus at least you’ll be able to use the whole playbook with him under center because we all can see from watching the games that the Raiders have to run a basic high school/college type offense because the current QB can’t or won’t learn the entire playbook. The 49ers found out too late that Alex Smith was a bust and it looks as if the Raiders have gone down the same path, how many years does it take before you say ok, he isn’t getting it and we need to move on?
How Long?
I am a loyal raider fan but, most of the last decade has sucked! How long are we willing to close our eyes and pertend that we can’t see the obvious? Russell stinks and is making no improvement. I tried to believe that Cable was going to breath life back into our failing program. I am rapidly losing confidence that that will happen. We’ve seen the D weakening the last few weeks, why wouldn’t they? They have to play 90% of the game then watch 3 and out or 1 and a RUSSELL fumble. It has to numb them knowing that no matter how well they play, we can’t put the ball in the end zone. God bless Janikowski! He’s been our Offensive star!
If only...
If only the firesale included the sale of the franchise from Davis to a more competent owner.
I have been a supporter of the Raiders under Davis to this point. I’m done now. Davis has been done for a long time. The only way to breathe life into this franchise is for Davis to let go of the team.
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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
doesn't matter who we get to bolster this offense
Russell still doesn’t give a flying fuck. pardon my language.
Will a new face possibly change that? I doubt it. There’s no way he’ll be fired and if he ever is he’ll still have 60 million to fall back on. If I had a job like that, I wouldn’t do anything either.
Until either Davis leaves or Russell is finally given up on, I can’t see this offense getting much better because it doesn’t look like anything would make Russell give a damn.
Why do I have the sinking feeling that Bush will be involved in a trade and that we’ll have a trade that acquires T.O.? If that does happen, I give up on this franchise for the next decade.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Off limits: Asomugha, Russell (nobody wants him anyway), DHB, DMC, Z. Miller, Seymour (unless we don’t think we can resign him), Schilens, Murphy, Howard, Morrison, Branch, Mitchell, Lechler, Janikowski, Henderson, Bush.
Likely to draw most interest that’s not on the list: Chris Johnson, Michael Huff, Greg Ellis, Robert Gallery, Tommy Kelly (if they are willing to take on that contract, or re-work it), Fargas, Khalif Barnes (started last year and contract expires), Hiram Eugene, Cooper Carlisle, Jay Richardson, Chris Morris (can paly guard or center), Trevor Scott (good motor, but very dissapointing and made stupid mistakes against Giants), Gerard Warren, and Johnnie Lee Higgins.
Outside of the off limit list, there are some solid individual palyers, and maybe if the offer is great for one of the palyers on the list, then maybe do it.
I could see Warren and Barnes being shipped out
Warren is a really good UT and Barnes could be put on a team looking for a good run blocker. Possibly Buffalo for Owens??? I really hope not.
Actually wouldn’t be surprised to see Bush or even Morrison being shipped out.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
It wouldn't surprise me
Because it would be an awful move. If Bush, Morrison, Howard or Tyvon go, I will vomit everywhere.
But really...
It probably won’t matter either way because Al Davis will run the same old ass scgemes that will not work, and we will still suck.
Time for a Change
I remember seeing an interview with Al Locasale about how they brought in Jim Plunkett and rebuilt his confidence. In this modern world, both in my normal Job and now with Sports it seems Threats and Fear has become the Mantra over Inspiration and Motivation.
How is putting the team up for trade going to make them play better. Less Huge Dollar non-incentive contracts and more based on productivity would be a great move for the Raiders. We don’t do High Priced talent just High Priced. I could list the rubbish Davis has signed and yet, can’t be bothered.
Why would we keep javon Walker, when we could pick up Marvin Harrison as a veteran Leader. Why take three awful QB’s when we should have kept Garcia. We Seem to not want winners. We Signed Richard Seymour for a Year, we needed to get the contract extended, Not likely now. He’ll play and be gone on this team.
Get in Brady Quinn. Ditch Charlie frye, Bench jamarcus.
Ditch Walker if he is never going to play and bench DHB. Start murphy and anyone who can CATCH!
We can’t trade all our defence. Morrison and Howard are solid, We are asking our defence to play 45 Minutes a game! Imagine if last sunday rather than the giants it’d been the broncos? They’d have kept running the score up to humiliate us!
Maybe Al Davis has a plan, but sadly his ideas got us 6 straight losing years. Gruden was a good coach, i Saw him on nfl.com still having a go at the officials when at Tampa Bay about the Raiders/Patriots game and the tuck rule!
THAT’S the attitude we need. Not the “were losing, it’s us. Stay the course we can lose some more” of Cable.
let al go
let limbaugh own the team
i know he sucks and is hated everywhere
but at least hell let coaches do what they want
(gruden is white)
and wouldnt it be funny to see him owning a team with the most black ppl wearing all black? hahaha
Now that's funny!!!!!
As much as I hate to say it, you may be onto something here! then you can bet that Jamarcus would be BENCHED!!!
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