update w/ podcast: Tim Ryan on Gary Radnich show: "Gruden open to a return to Oakland"
by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
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PrintTim Ryan, FoxSports Analyst who is doing the Raider vs Eagle game this weekend was just on Gary Radnich Show on KNBR was talking Raider Football and had some interesting points. Being personally close to Jon Gruden he had good points:
- Gruden will coach again and has the "coaching itch" and wants get back to it
- Knowing Gruden personally, as long as Tim Ryan has know Jon he has never heard Gruden say anything negative about Mr. Davis both "on and off the record"
- Gruden open to coming back to Oakland
- Bruce Allen would follow Gruden Back to Oakland
update: Ryan interview podcast (thanks to iBleedSnB). Also a Bleacherreport article on this subject here
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I voted yes
but until I hear it come from Gruden’s mouth, I do NOT believe he wants to come back here.
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it would be nice if you had a link to this particular story too.....
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yeah..sorry
im waiting for knbr to update their podcasts and hopefully they post it cause Tim Ryan made some good points about Al Davis and Jon Gruden… but will update this if its posted.
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by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
this would be great
it’d certainly be better than anything else we could muster up.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
though I'm skeptical if Davis would even bring him back
let alone Gruden actually wanting to
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Totally agree with you
Plus, even if Davis did bring Chucky back, he’d probably think he’s doing Chucky a favor and give him even less influence in the team than before.
the only solution
It’s not going to happen, but I think is the only way out of this huge mess Mr Davis has created, is really frustrating to watch this team, it has absolutely no direction, no leadership, no pride, nothing at all,
the only way to right the ship is bringing back Gruden, Allen or some other ‘competent’ GM, and Madden as an advisor, but I might only be dreaming,
for now we’ll have to keep hoping that our fat ass qb gets injured or something for him to get benched and at least give somebody else a shot to move that freakin offense
Gruden coming back?
Don’t we all have an “ex” for a reason? He left for a reason, and, unless he’s on something, he shouldn’t even WANT the job.
I am all for it, but...
until Sadam tells me it is snowing in his current home I am not going to believe it.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
you need to skip ahead like a 1/4 of the way up
cuz they were having trouble with the phone line he was originally on
Thanks.... I meant to post it up
I really do believe that Gruden is up for the challenge as long as it’s under his terms and not AD. But AD’s pride and ego maybe in the way of something great! I promise you, Cable is not ready for a “head coach” position on any NFL team. Maybe UFL. Not NFL.
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by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 5:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it's not fair to judge him
like that yet. It’s w/ the Raiders. I think he’s not ready to wear as many hats as he is w/ the o-line, offense coordinator, and HC.
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You're right....
Cable is making best with what he has and is much better suited as a oline coach but just like Jamarcus, he is under the spotlight that recieves critisizm.
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by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would LOVE to have Chucky back
when he was here you could tell (and still can tell) that he LOVED being the coach of the RAIDAAHHS and he is an intense guy who does not accept mediocrity.
I like Tom Cable but it is clear he is not capable of turning this around. and is way over his head.
PLEASE COME HOME CHUCKY
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
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You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Gruden....
Wouldn’t put up with Jamarcus Russell
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by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 5:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cable is too soft
he tries to be a friend to the players more than a coach.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Coach Chuckie
I hate the coaching changes, but this team needs a coach that can light a fire under their butts. I don’t think Cable has it in him. Gruden may never come back, but someone like him is what his team needs.
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I agree
The player talent on the Raiders is not as bad as their record or as bad as they play under Cable. Cable is not suited to be an NFL head coach. I doubt Gruden would ever come back, but I’d welcome him if he did.
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would al davis ever consider rehiring gruden?
I’m not sure gruden wants davis calling all the shots on the team either. There will probably be better opportunities for gruden than the raiders even if he didn’t mind returning.
well he certainly would have fan support
not sure about paul hackett but gruden having full control of the team? Well good luck with that.
he did. he's one of the only guys alive that has proven and could again
that he can win with the Raiders. But he had a guy named Rich Gannon, whom he credits as one of the best and hardest working students of the game he’s met. That’s a serious compliment coming from Jon.
But, if the past decade since his departure is any indicator of what’s to come…
Let’s just say none of us, at least none that know a thing or two about our track record, are expecting this to happen anytime soon.
if he comes back w/ the same control
I’m sure some players will be gone and new ones will come in, ones that will want to play for Gruden.
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no doubt he would
just like Gannon, Charlie Garner to name a couple. Remember that offense? We could dink a dunk the best Tampa 2 teams to death!
Man, how long has it been since we completed that many consetive passes? it had to be Gannon and company. Know Kerry Collins had some success, but don’t remember him lighting up the scoreboard like Gannon did.
The only way Gruden would come back is if he had the same control he had, which leaves in question the validity of any of these rumors.
At least we know that Gruden would be willing to return. It’s pretty obvious Al is not totally willing to relinquish control, yet, that is…
At least we know that Gruden would be willing to return. It’s pretty obvious Al is not totally willing to relinquish control, yet, that is…
How do we know this? Gruden has not come out in the media and said he is open to coming back. If he has I have yet to see the media report.
I hate when things get posted that are nothing but someone’s opinion or unconfirmed and passed off as news here.
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you're right, we don't, but I'm taking Tim Ryan's word for it on speaking with Jon
Ryan is no lover of the Raiders. I’ve listened to him on Sirius radio regularly with Pat Kirwan, and he doesn’t pull punches when discussing Raider info. And we otherwise have no real reason to think he’d be against coming back, but I believe he would stipulate that he’d want control, or no deal, which brings us back to square one.
Despite not doing anything with the picks, the Raiders received an unprecedented amount of picks and monetary compensation for Gruden in the pick, and T. Ryan said he’s never heard Gruden say one bad thing about Al, nor have I. I know that’s no reason to think he loves Al, but unwilling to come back? I think not.
furthermore, do I think it will happen? of course not.
Do I remain hopeful for a miracle like this, or some other godsend coach to deliver us from the pit that is the Raider team we have now?
Absolutely. And I wouldn’t be so hard on the poster; he never claimed Jon Gruden said he’d come back, but in the interview, Tim Ryan entertains the idea. That’s all he said to pay attention to. Are some of us delusional about hope for the future. Of course we are. We’re Raiders fans.
His title of the post
used the exact words of:
“Gruden open to return to Oakland”
There was no ? at the end to make it sound as a possible. He made it sound as a fact. And To get the picks for the trade of Gruden to TB means Gruden WANTED TO LEAVE Oakland…….
So…
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I understand your point, but it's not like I'm taking something a poster says, especially in his title
for granted. A lot of these folks probably do think there’s a chance in hell that Gruden would come back, and most of the people that are pulling for Jamarcus, or thinking we’ll somehow start defending the run, or that we’ll start getting first downs and completions and series without drive killing penalties, don’t have any facts or even good reasons to support what they’re saying. Simply because there aren’t any.
Sometimes you have to take posts on a blog with a grain of salt.
Al Davis said that there will SOON be a change to the head coach in Oakland:
He said that today when he was talking to Tom Tolbert, supposedly. This is heresay, for all I know it was the fake Al Davis on KNBR.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Oct 16, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions
He did a brief interview in USA Today
but it was mostly about being patient with JaMarcus Russell and that he wasn’t happy because his team wasn’t doing well.
CHUCKY COME HOME,OAKLAND LOVES YOU
I would really love to see Chucky back with the Raiders but we will have to wait and see what happens with USC and Notre Dame this weekend I feel if Charlie Wies gets fired in South Bend Chucky will be their next coach,after all isn’t this what started this big mess to begin with.I really think most of the Nation still loves Gruden but who knows what goes on in Big Al’s crazyass head.For anybody to have any success in Oakland they would need more control or have the power of persuasion which i believe Gruden happens to possess.I think its clear by his words on MNF he still wants to coach and I for one would welcome him back.
I bet a $100
Cable won’t be the HC next year!
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by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 10:33 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think we should keep Cable
as the O-line coach OR the HC coach, but not as the O-line, OC, and HC.
Too many hats.
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agree as O line, beginning to wonder about head coach, definite no on OC
But maybe he’d have some success if he didn’t have to wear the puppet hat.
There's that too.
I think if it wasn’t for Davis, Russell would be sitting down.
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think Cable would sit him?
There was a time I’d have said yes, but now, it’s like I don’t know this guy at all.
Yup. I do.
Cuz w/ the run plays all the time he doesn’t trust Russell to complete the pass. And from what he’s been saying about him that he’s one of the 10% that need work harder, I think he would.
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If a Bed and Breakfast owner can...
Become an NFL cordinator. Anything can happen… Meaning that Gruden coming back isn’t as far fetched as it seems…
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by gogomaplata on Oct 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
It's pretty effing far fetched tho!
You haved to admit. Why are we supposed believe something good will happen for this team?
I appreciate that some people still have optimisim> but understand why others have completely lost faith.
No coach in his right mind ..
would want to come to this hellhole and put up with Alzheimer Al! Oakland at this point is where careers go to die… and until he is rotting in the ground.. it’s not going to change…
I'd be surprised if Gruden came back to the Raiders
there really isn’t an upside for him. He already has the rep as being the last guy to have much success in Oakland so all he can do is repeat his past success or fail which is obviously quite possible.
I think he’ll want a new challenge and much more control over the football operations than Davis is willing to give but hey it doesn’t hurt to dream as it would be fun to have a professional head coach again.
Long line of coaches?
What long line is there? No one “wants” this job unless Al let’s go of his overall control. Sign Gruden and get Bruce Allen back and let them make the football decisions. Al could then spend his remaining years wathching the Raiders return to glory!
i have a question
in the survey, where it said wait for al to interview the long line of coaches waiting for a job?
yea good luck there, thats the worlds shortest long line buddy…..
i say gruden would be great, but al wont let that happen
jon has a free will…
blacked out-good
we dont deserve to be on tv, were ugly! how about graden coming back and being the head coach
by sports with steve on Oct 17, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions
Who's graden?
And it’s unlikely that Gruden would ever come back, since for the trade that went through for him to go to Tampa Bay means Gruden wanted to leave Oakland to begin with…
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I don't know
he doesn’t have a long history as a HC in the league. He was a winner in college coaching, but seems he does better as a OC in the NFL?
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So?
He still was only a HC in SD for 1 year. The longest he’s been a HC is 4 years in college. No other team as ever hired him as HC?
That seems odd to me. Seems maybe he’s not good at that position.
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Just thought it was funny
Never heard of two coaches going at it on the sidelines before.
On the Giants website, they credit Gilbride with helping Manning develop. It’s probably just fluff, but I’m sure it’s just what Al Davis wants to hear, to find somebody to work with Russell.
well that's what we have Hackett for
he’s a good QB coach and he worked w/ Davis before.
If Russell doesn’t want to try it doesn’t matter who you bring in for that position.
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what a bunch of crap. another guy for whom they shouldn't even lift the "interim" title
‘cause he won’t fucking last as long as Tom has.
not questioning these guys coaching abilities. I'm questioning their ability to work with Al
which is always a factor. It’s why I get excited about a guy like Gruden, though I know it’s bullshit, and just something some guy threw out in an interview.
I don’t even really question Cable’s ability. He’s just not the personality that can work with Al these days. I’m not sure anyone can, but I’d take my chances with Jon. Madden was fiery. I can’t say I even know how Tom Flores was, but few have had success in this organization, and most of those times Ron Wolf was in the picture in some capacity.
I was referring to Al's use of the word when Tom was first named coach
After Lane was fired. You remember, I’m sure.
k
I got ya. I was confused cuz you replied to someone that replied to a comment about Gilbride.
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I think Gilbride is exactly the type of guy Cable is
good at what he does, but head coach?. If not for Coughlin, would he be the same? Also a great drafting team, for a long time.
It’s always tough to really gauge any individual’s performance with the Raiders, considering so many factors against them.
Probably not
But it sounds exactly the type of guy Al would go after. You know he’s not going to try and get a real coach. I mean, the only name I’d heard being floated around was Jim Harbaugh, and that with everybody knowing how college coaches do when they come to the NFL.
Bring Chucky Back!!
Gruden was amazing during his run in Oakland. He built a certifiable winner and could probably do it again. If the choice is between Cable and Gruden, I’m picking Gruden every time. Do the right thing Al, bring Chucky back!
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