Oakland Raiders Postgame Recap: Raiders 16, Chargers 24
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 AM PST
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Originally Posted: Sunday, November 1: 6:05 p.m.
Are they yelling or shaking hands? You be the judge. [via www.pe.com]
Coming in as 17-point underdogs, many people expected the Oakland Raiders to get blown out at the hands of the San Diego Chargers. While Oakland never led at any point in the ball game, they battled back from down 21-7 to make it a little too close for comfort for San Diego in a 24-16 defeat.
Early on, it was "here we go again" with the Raiders. A good drive was halted due to a terrible pass by quarterback JaMarcus Russell resulting in an interception for Antonio Cromartie. Russell, 14-for-22 on the day, was much more accurate due to more passes being from a short range. That pass, however, was deeper down the field and ill-advised. A deep bomb from Philip Rivers to Malcom Floyd set up a six-yard touchdown for LaDainian Tomlinson, who had 56 yards on the ground. Just minutes into the second quarter, though, the Raiders cashed in on an interception of their own. A three-yard run by tough-running Justin Fargas capped a very short 27-yard drive to tie things up. Fargas' 59 yards led the team in rushing for the third straight game.
Malcom Floyd's impressive catch against Michael Huff was the key play in the drive. [via a.espncdn.com]
Moving along, the Chargers utilized wide receiver Vincent Jackson to perfection. Jackson alone had almost 60 yards on the team's next scoring drive on five grabs. Fittingly, he scored the touchdown to end it. Another LaDainian Tomlinson touchdown with 54 seconds to go had many thinking that it was over right there with halftime approaching. In the words of college football analyst Lee Corso, "Not so fast, my friends." Kickoff return "specialist" Jonathan Holland, who the announcers repeatedly referred to as being from Louisiana Tech, had the best return of his career that eventually set up a Sebastian Janikowski field goal. You had to feel good about points before the half.
LaDainian Tomlinson had two touchdown runs against the Raiders on the day. [via a.espncdn.com]
To start the second half, the Raiders defense came up with a three-and-out. The offense responded with a field goal to make it a one possession game, 21-13. Later on in the quarter, a reverse to Louis Murphy had Oakland on San Diego's 18 to close the quarter. Unfortunately, the drive stalled and the team had to settle for three points. A field goal by Nate Kaeding had made it a 24-16 game with just over four minutes to play in regulation. Could JaMarcus Russell lead the troops down the field to tie it up?
The Chargers brought the blitz all day, led by linebacker Shaun Phillips. [via a.espncdn.com]
With the game on the line and a first down at San Diego's 44, Russell dropped back to pass; however, Shaun Phillips' sack had killed basically all of the momentum right there. A penalty and Shawne Merriman's first sack of the season had made things basically impossible. An 11-yard pass to Zach Miller, leading the team with 52 receiving yards for the day, had set up a fourth down with the team needing 20 yards. A bullet over the middle to Johnnie Lee Higgins was incomplete, as the attempted to quickly grab it and toss it back to Darrius Heyward-Bey. Well, Higgins never caught the ball. It would have definitely been interesting to see what Heyward-Bey would have done as it appeared that he had some space to make something happen. With 54 seconds to go, the Chargers took two knees and came away with a 24-16 victory.
Head coaches Tom Cable and Norv Turner shake hands after the game. [via a.espncdn.com]
The Raiders, now 2-6, have a bye and then take on the Kansas City Chiefs to complete the season series with them on November 15. The Chargers, 4-3 and two games behind the Denver Broncos for first place, will be heading to New Jersey to take on the New York Giants.
Vincent Jackson was the player of the game, posting 103 yards and a touchdown. [via a.espncdn.com]
All in all, with the way some of these games have gone for the Raiders this season, it was nice to see some competitive football. The end result wasn't what we wanted, sure, but the team played hard and continued to fight until the end. The defense was marvelous in the second half and gave us a chance to win. Drives stalled and we had to settle for field goals, so it would have been nice to see them punch it for six. Wide receivers had only two grabs for 16 yards on the day, so production from that spot continues to be the weakest in the league. I hope to get healthy with the bye week coming up. I am sure I speak for everyone when I say that we'd like to have Chaz Schilens, Robert Gallery and Darren McFadden back against the Chiefs in two weeks.
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My Thoughts...
I thought they played well. JaMarcus wasn’t as bad as usual. But he still wasn’t good. The defense was mediocre. And Justin Fargas showed he still has what it takes to be a legitimate RB. Another plus is Sebastian, He had a great game. And might make the Pro Bowl team if he keeps this accuracy thing up.
by Remix. on Nov 1, 2009 6:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At what point will
people start to realize that a WR cannot catch a pass if it is not thrown their way. Every week it is the same old mantra, the WR’s were not productive. It is difficult to say that they were always open but at least 3 times today while watching replays I saw either DHB or Murphy running wide open across the field but Russell chose a dump off pass instead. We can complain about DHB or Murphy when they are thrown passes downfield and they are dropped. Indeed that has happened a few times this year but in the past few games they are simply not being thrown to, simple as that.
by Laoren on Nov 1, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wide Receivers
Sometimes they’re open, sure, but other times they don’t get open. Today, for example, a couple of them ran into each other.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 1, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a big part of being a wide reciever is also getting open
and these young guys are not getting open, and when they are they are dropping the ball too often.
I’d really like to see what JaMarcus’s stats would look like if you counted the drops as completions and included the yards.
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by Ozraider on Nov 1, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice recap RRS
thanks for the 3 clips.
although we didn’t get the win today, I think a game like this has to be a positive. I mean we were a 16.5 pt underdog. We weren’t supposed to be in this game at all. We got down by 14, which has happened before but these guys stayed in it. So props to them for that. Made some adjustments at halftime and this was a ballgame.
Going into the bye week, this is where the real soldiers will step up and put in the work to take advantage to prepare for the next half of the season. We come back with a very winnable game against the Chiefs, followed by another home game against the Bengals.
I really hope that a guy like Fargas can take the reins here for the offense. He really is the veteran voice, or at least should be for this young group on offense. He displays great leadership with his play on the field, so I would hope he could be a little more of a vocal leader in the locker room, in the team meetings and practices.
The week off will definately benefit the recovery of DMC, Chaz, and Gallery.
Although it pretty much looks like the Super Bowl is out of the question (lol) I think we can have a positive 2nd half to the season with the hopes of building a stronger team for the future to come.
by iBleedSnB on Nov 1, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great post RRS
Heck if you keep doing these kind of posts I can save myself the pain that comes from watching these games.
I appreciate the effort the Raiders gave today as I was happy they didn’t just give up after going down 21-7.
I continue to be disappointed that Michael Bush doesn’t get more carries. Justin Fargas gives a lot of effort but he ran the ball at 3.3 yards per rush today and that’s not very good.
JaMarcus Russell only had about 3-4 god awful plays which is pretty good for him but he still has so far to go especially when compared to someone like Philip Rivers.
Even though Vegas has the Raiders as a 2 point underdog to the bye next week I predict they won’t lose and I hope this week off is spent coaching up this pathetic offense.
by sirbed on Nov 1, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty stunning to me how bad JaMarcus is
It’s just sinking in for me, I guess.
Given the way he ended last season, I couldn’t believe some were still wondering in training camp if he was a “bust.” And that was the general talk. So I cut him slack the first few 3 games against S.D., K.C., and Denver. I was holding out hope.
By Week 4-5 JaMarcus defenders like me were also dealing with talk of his missing meetings, the general lack of commitment—that sort of stuff.
In Week 7, we had total disaster against the Jets. But after Cable told it like it was, we had the strong week of work prior to this game. That’s what we were told; I didn’t have any reason not to believe it.
So with all that in mind, I watched today’s game. And I simply realized that the bottom line is this: JaMarcus just isn’t very good. And it looks like he has very little chance of ever being any good. I mean let us count the ways he contributed to our loss today:
—No pocket awareness
—No mobility
—No touch
—No accuracy
—Poor reads
—Poor decisions
—Poor mechanics
Forget everything else. That above is a whole hell of a lot to overcome. And, yeah, he didn’t play that badly today. But a QB with the problems listed above just gives you very little chance to win. A QB who has those problems never leads you on touchdown drives. And as I documented here a week ago, JaMarcus never leads the Raiders on touchdown drives.
I wish we’d started the backup today. I wish the backup were the starter.
JaMarcus gives us very, very little chance to win. Our two wins could easily be losses. Most of our losses could not be wins.
The truth is that at some point we’re going to have to cut our losses with the guy, but until then those of us who care about the Raiders are going to have to endure a team with very little chance to win each week.
by RLangford on Nov 1, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree with all of your comments and would like to add a few. Jamarcus’ stats for the game are inflated from short passes to passes thrown while SD was in basically a prevent. Nothing to get too excited about. If we’re going to get encouraged by signs of improvement I’ll remind fans of last year when he showed improvement at the end of the season giving us hope for this season. Well as we know it’s just that, Hope. As for the wide outs I think Murphy could actually become legit but DHB is a total bust. When I think of Macklin, Crabtree and Harvin (that were available) it makes me wonder if anybody has any sense that’s doing the drafting for the Raiders.
by Napa Raider on Nov 2, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can add
Hakeem Nicks to that list.
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by TheRaiderWay on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Fargas.
Change the Playcalling. Instead of running him in between the tackles, Maybe some Counter and Stretch plays, if the O-Line can handle it. Fargas is running Much Better than Bush is.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 1, 2009 9:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bush ran the ball at nearly 4 yards per play today
Fargas was at 3.3 yards per play. How is that running the ball much better?
by sirbed on Nov 1, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I see,
It seems like Fargas runs harder. I might have to watch the game again, but Fargas gives the 2nd and third effort that we need in small yardage situation.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
watch Bush highlights
he’s a big guy who I have never seen fall backwards. He reminds me a lot of Jerome Bettis.
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 2, 2009 4:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
except
I think Bush catches better, I can’t remember if Bettis was a good receiver out of the backfield or not.
But both are tough runners who are surprisingly fast for their size.
Bettis the Notre Dame legend (I like Notre Dame) and Bush the hopefully future Raider legend.
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 2, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fargas definitely playing better, with more purpose, and more physically right now
by brhynno on Nov 2, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that why his average yards per carry is lower than Bush's right?
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think i know what he means
fargas is sort of faster and quicker type of guy, while bush is stronger. they both have their great traits to their play. I think they both play equally tough, and sometimes one guy would get 3 yards while the other got 6, and vise versa. they’re both very reliable in certain situations.
by patriotguy on Nov 3, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always respect your opinions, K, but stats do not always tell the complete story
and I’m talking about right now. Look at the collective body of work from the last two weeks, and I think you’ll see.
That being said, I’m amongst those who would like to see big Mike get the ball more, and I’m sure we could expect great things from him as well. He’s the type of guy who will gain momentum through the game, and kill you in the fourth quarter.
This bye week comes at an interesting time for this team; a great time for us to get healthy, and field our best football team all season.
The run game is the one area you can’t criticize on the offense. With guys stacking thhe box we struggled and will continue until we can make big plays passing downfield, and despite that, we show up with the three headed monster anyways. Gallery is arguably the best run blocking lineman on the team, too (can’t knock Henderson in any way, either, but Gallery takes it to the second level in the run game a big more naturally, and slightly more fleet footed), and we’ve been having some suuccess on the ground without him. Look forward to KC following the bye week.
At the very least we’ll see some physical football. Let’s hope we stay healthy the whole game too!
by brhynno on Nov 3, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A little too close for comfort?
Quote: “While the Raiders never led at any point in the ball game, they battled back from down 21-7 to make it a little too close for comfort for San Diego in a 24-16 defeat.”
Once the Chargers got to 20 points the game was over. Tom Cable’s offense hasn’t scored more than twenty points in any game this year. He is an absolute dynasour trying to compete in the 21st century. An eight point win in the NFL is the equivalent of a blowout. Who are you trying to kid?
by Older_than_Moses_Shaq on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
It wasn’t over. The Chargers had to hold off the Raiders on the final drive. That was too close for comfort.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel him, though, and in the sense that our success depended on Jamarcus throwing touchdowns
The game was over once they scored twenty. Credit the defense for coming up big in the second half. But Jamarcus will never lead us to wins. Never.
by brhynno on Nov 2, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
But Jamarcus will never lead us to wins. Never.
He led the drive in this game.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew without clickign that was the KC game
and McFadden actually ended up scoring the TD. And while Russell got his shit together for the end of that game, it does negate how bad he really played that week, and if KC had not continuously fucked up, we would have lost. Our Defense won that game, and we won DESPITE Russell. If he could continue making those plays and drives, then maybe the criticism would be minimized.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 2, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I was simply correcting a false statement about how Russell has never led us to any wins. I believe he has three career game-winning drives with one being against the Chiefs this season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not ever on a consisten basis. I defended him far too long.
He doesn’t possess the innate ability to do the things necessary to be among the best in this league.
It’s ironic that he’s dripping with talent and ability to do all the things, just not willing to work harder than most of the guys in the league who do get better, and prepare, and therin provide the kind of leadership necessary at the position to make a winning team. Watch guys like Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Is it natural talent that makes them better? I think not.
Those guys do what it takes to get better. Jamarcus is the last guy to show up to practice, and the first guy to leave, and he’s performing by far at the bottom of the league. Unacceptable.
by brhynno on Nov 2, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll repost My assessment of why russel is performing poorly.
a rookie QB, no matter how talented he’s supposed to be, MUST have the right coaching and team spirit in order to develop.
Knowing that the raiders have been on the loosing side for about 5 years, I believe that, for russel, transitioning to this kind of team that has had trouble with the GM, coaching, and player attitude, it’s A LOT harder to transition to this kind of team. If matt ryan was on our team, i think it’ll take him a lot more than half a season to become what he is now, and jamarcus would improve a lot more if he was on the Falcons of 08(or 07, just because they had vick on the team when russel was drafted).
by patriotguy on Nov 3, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Russel's the victim?
Is this JaMarcus? Well, if it is – you really suck and so do your newage defenders.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 3, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the "he's a rookie"
doesn’t float any more. It also doesn’t explain why the coaches had to essentially call him out in public to the media to start coming in earlier and put more work into his development. It doesn’t explain why he keeps putting the balls in orbit or way to low and drills for oil. It doesn’t explain why he can’t take responsibility for his mistakes and not deflect blame. IT doesn’t explain why he can’t get the offense riled up and why he doesn’t discuss situations with the coaches on the sidelines. He’s performing poorly because he does not want to put the work in. When he got drafted his work ethic was questionable, and now it still is.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 3, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, his ethic is not showing up.
he’s not developing the leadership, or showing improvement. at the moment. lets hope chaz actually comes in, he and russel(and miler) have chemistry with each other, and i would like to see how he plays when he’s back.
by patriotguy on Nov 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that doesn't say anything good either
if he’s going to use Chaz as a crutch. He has to learn to spread the ball around and make plays. Get in early w/ the WR’s and the WR coach/QB coach and work with the Receivers.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 3, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
he needs to build chemistry with the new guys in order to be successful in passing.
by patriotguy on Nov 3, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the reason it's so interesting to me, P, is that you being a Pats fan as well
Know good and well that Jamarcus is the anti-Brady!
Everything that makes Tom so good is completely nonexistent in JRuss’ game.
Trust me, dude, I’ve been defending him far too long. He’ll never be a great qb. He’ll probably get better than he is (hard to get worse!), but he’s gonna continue down the road he’s chosen, and you can blame all those other factors or whatever circumstance you wish, and that won’t change the outcome.
We’re all fully aware Al’s stubbornness will make us stick with J Russ until the whole plan of building around him is a completely beaten dead horse, and it’ll be time to start from scratch again.
by brhynno on Nov 3, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
starting from scratch will not be a BAD idea, but
as of now, he needs chemistry and poise to be successful. building chemistry with rookies is tough to do, because of may factors, and that affects the QB in a pretty big way.
like i said, i wouldn’t mind starting from scratch, but right now, we gotta trust in russel, and hope he succeeds where failure plagued him.
by patriotguy on Nov 4, 2009 3:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we have to trust in him?
A hopeless case is a hopeless case. He’s not God or a leader, so I don’t need to trust in him. I trust in his ability to be a bad QB and not care. But even if I am a RAiders fan I do not need to back him blindly.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 4, 2009 4:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we trust in him because we, as fans, want him to succeed.
we all know that he’s playing poorly at the moment. we are not blindly backing him up either. we know the possibility of him playing good, is not very high.
If he starts, then I will trust in him simply because he’s the starting QB, and I hope for the best for him. You don’t care. that’s fine. but i do. I care for our starting QB to play great, and when he plays poorly, i hope for a better performance the next week. I’m not blind, I’m rooting for success.
by patriotguy on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed for the most part
but how do you excuse missing the wide open guys, so many times, always in critical situations?
I know the hardships, but other young qbs in the league haven’t continued making the same mistakes, over and over again.
A better player rises above, and doesn’t make excuses for himself, either. Nor should we.
by brhynno on Nov 3, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its just a factor that is mostly true
it affects a players ability to reach his potential. any QB will have a difficult time on the raiders, but yes, he needs to start improving.
by patriotguy on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But people seem to
absolve of the need to HELP the Raiders get better.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 4, 2009 4:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think so.
it may be the system, but there was one other thing that i’ve been speculating.
I was thinking, if there are talent on each position on offense or defense, some talent might not go well with others. Its difficult for me to explain but i hope you get the idea.
I think with the right coaching and team mentality, we can be successful.
Also, 1 or 2 players won’t fix the problems of a struggling team. they all need to work together and play with a winning intensity.
by patriotguy on Nov 4, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
was thinking, if there are talent on each position on offense or defense, some talent might not go well with others.
Chemistry as a team, I get it.
Also, 1 or 2 players won’t fix the problems of a struggling team. they all need to work together and play with a winning intensity.
But if their QB doesn’t care, the supposed leader, why should they put in the extra effort?
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i'm hoping for russel to develop into.
a leader. becoming a leader depend on many variables, such as:
come from behind win
defense making a huge stop to set up the offense to make a game winner
big plays
these may be just some things that can help develop leadership. he just hasn’t been able to develop it quicker due to all these things failing much more often then they succeed. of course, a lot depends on the QB. he’s pressured to be the next manning or what not, and when he(or they) looses, the results are:
that his teammates are loosing faith in him, which is a big blow to a qb in terms of leadership
the teammates have no motivation with russel, and russel looses confidence in himself.
I hope he gets better.
by patriotguy on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All I see here is excuses
but nothing call for him to actually step up and work hard and becoming a leader and working hard to improve.
What you’re saying here is everyone else is to blame for his development, but not him at all.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i said that russel loses his confidence, and that's big for a QB developing leadership.
teammates do lose faith in their QB if their QB(the leader) is not playing good.
Russel does need to work harder for his team. he needs to get better. he needs to get his confidence boosted. he needs to raly his team to wins. its a team effort, which runs on the QB like a cog. i was just saying that it can be very difficult if you were unsuccessful in the past(which is why i listed the causes of what happens when the QB is unsuccessful).
by patriotguy on Nov 4, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite, is an excellent choice of words here...
The rest of those who remain in defense of Jamarcus need to open their eyes and see that this is the case.
It’s not as though I don’t want him to be successful; I just am over believing he’ll become a great qb in this league. My better judgment has always told me what separates the greats from the rest, and he’s never had any of those intangibles.
I, like many others in the faithful Raider Nation, were blinded by the ability and physical tools, yet again.
Many saw it that way from the beginning…
by brhynno on Nov 2, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Defending" Russell
I am not defending him. I was just correcting a statement.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and didn't really think you were defending him, either. I also recognize you're pointing out a few wins
that arguably he put us in tight situations where the defense and special teams had to keep us in games.
My point was he won’t be a winner. His losses have and will continue to eclipse his wins and though they fall fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the team, Jamarcus deserves the brunt of it for a number of reasons I won’t even bother getting into now, because I’m tired, and where do you start?
I don’t think he’s got it in him anymore. (The anymore is referring to me, as in I’ve lost all hope for him) I don’t know if he’s ever had it in him! With changing play calling scripts, schemes, players, formations, injuries, inexperience, the best in the league would have a hard time, but many would win, and be a large part of the reason they won, not winning in spite of their ineptitude and inability to hit guys when they’re open and in position to make a play.
Great videos and stats to back up the message. I guess the writing is on the wall now, huh? You never know what you’re gonna get with the Raiders. The occasional win, the unsuspected arrival of another team’s reject, a touchdown by the qb!
I find solace in the class young nucleus of defensive guys and leaders, and look forward to seeing them improve and learn to excel in this league, and while I hope they do it with the Raiders, I’d p;refer they did it wherever else they had to if the Raiders continue to falter.
I found it pretty amazing that you actually found some media with a positive spin on the Raiders’ games and Jamarcus.
by brhynno on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to sound like an ass
but I’m glad we lost. This way, maybe Cable gets his playcalling duties removed or maybe get put back to being the O-Line coach (not likely but I can dream)
Plus that means we get closer to getting a top-3 draft pick to get Suh or Spikes or McClain next year.
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 2, 2009 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
speaking of draft
anyone see the Iowa vs Indiana game? Stanzi had thrown like 4 or 5 picks and it looked over for Iowa. The offense was stumbling and the defense was managing to hang in, a typical Raiders scenario, but Stanzi erupted in the fourth to bring Iowa the win.
Though it was a pretty bad statistical game, Stanzi showed calmness, poise, and leadership to get the comeback win.
I want Stanzi so very badly.
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 2, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stanzi
He isn’t that good. Like you said, he tossed five picks against a weak Indiana team. He has just as many bad games as good games this season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indiana is actually playing really good despite it's record
My point is though, that Stanzi sees these adversities, and overcomes them. Russell has NEVER done this. Russell usually makes things worse.
I know that’s a big difference going from college to NFL, but Stanzi is used to a lack of consistent receiver production (McNutt is good but not great) and being a guy who just needs to manage the game or make the occasional big pass play to keep the D honest. He makes a lot better reads, is much calmer, and is constantly improving. A sign of hard-work.
Stanzi has the similar attributes of Russell, strong arm and mobile. But he’s also accurate underneath and is willing to do the work to make himself and the team better.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 3, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KA1Z3R
we all know we’re supposed to be a running team. But we also all know Davis loves the vertical game. So I don’t know how much of the play calling falls completely on Cable.
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by mikesd1981 on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
stanzi ? he might be better than jellyroll russell but that aint sayin much.
by TRURAIDA on Nov 2, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jamarcus never improves, never addresses the deficiencies in his game, and will never be a winner
So with all that in mind, I watched today’s game. And I simply realized that the bottom line is this: JaMarcus just isn’t very good. And it looks like he has very little chance of ever being any good. I mean let us count the ways he contributed to our loss today:
—No pocket awareness
—No mobility
—No touch
—No accuracy
—Poor reads
—Poor decisions
—Poor mechanics
Forget everything else. That above is a whole hell of a lot to overcome. And, yeah, he didn’t play that badly today. But a QB with the problems listed above just gives you very little chance to win. A QB who has those problems never leads you on touchdown drives. And as I documented here a week ago, JaMarcus never leads the Raiders on touchdown .
RLangford pretty much said everything I wanted to say about the piece of shit. Until we do move on, which we all know will be another painful half a year, we have no hope of competing at this level. His stats somehow belie how often he misses wide open guys. There should be a stat that accounts for how often his miscues kill drives and thereinl, our chances to win.
by brhynno on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone
I know when it was 2nd and 28 J-Russ drops back and get sacked I was screaming FUCKING JAMARCUS RUSSELL until I saw what Louis Murphy JLH did. I mean come on when your own 2 WR hit each other and fall down like dumb asses what would u have done it was not his fault that play but these rookies on the outside are contributing alot can u count how many drops they all had this year. Like I say no one man wins a game and no one man loses a game. If you win you win as a team and If u lose then u lose as a team.
Wake me up if we win
by nishal26 on Nov 2, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Russell and the Wide Receivers
Both parties get the blame for the ineptitude. I also blame some of it on the coaching stuff. I think, though, most of the blame goes toward Russell. He’s inaccurate past about, say, 10 yards. At the end of the day, yeah, you win as a team and you lose as a team like you said. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but most of it is placed on the quarterback. It’s a quarterback-driven league and you need a good quarterback to succeed.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 2, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good job, RRS.
I was out of town and didn’t get to see. Thanks for doing this.
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by lynnzgal on Nov 2, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
JaMarcus
In this game alone, a few plays stood out:
1. The interception thrown into a crowd of players.
2. The throw where he overshot an open Zach Miller by about 10 yards, killing a drive.
3. The ball he bounced to a wide-open Louis Murphy at the 15 at the end of the first half. He had no pressure on him.
Those were three big plays that should have been different. It’s not asking much to ask that JaMarcus just be competent in hitting open guys. But he isn’t. Add to that everything else, and it’s just very difficult to see what he adds.
And that’s my other point. How many times this year have you actually seen JaMarcus do something that you thought was special. Even those strikes he throws to the deep middle—and those are basically the only thing he does well—are something many other quarterbacks can do. But other than those throws—like the big one to Watkins in the KC game—he does nothing else.
And if that’s your only strength, that’s just simply not enough.
by RLangford on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rivers threw it to a crowd and Malcom Floyd came down with the ball
how many times have our receivers made a play for JaMarcus this season?
I know he has had plenty of horrible throws but he hasn’t had much help either.
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by Ozraider on Nov 3, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't blame the receivers
it’s not their fault that they’re undeveloped rookies thrust into starting roles trying to catch passes from a guy who’s only accurate passes come out at about 100 mph. Rookies should never start in their first year unless you have a Calvin Johnson or Michael Crabtree type receiver who’s built to be an NFL WR from the get-go.
Should they be playing better, yes. But you can’t blame them as much as you can blame Russell for not hitting them when they actually get open. Receivers take about 3 years to develop before they’re ready to start on average, let alone a junior who’s coaches said he wasn’t even ready for the NFL (DHB) or a fourth-round pick with the talent of a sixth or seventh.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 3, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree its not their fault
and you won’t find one negative DHB or Murphy post on this forum from me anywhere but you can’t deny that the drops and at times inability to make a play for their QB is a factor.
We are asking JaMarcus to be a leader but its hard to lead without confidence and its hard to gain confidence as a QB when you are playing badly when the times you do make a good throw your receiver drops we need them to catch them so we can build on it and at times just flat out make a play on a ball – Rivers is a great QB but Floyd flat out made a play which resulted in a TD and we lost by 8 points (it may not have been a crowed but he did just throw it up there).
I don’t blame the receivers for this at all they are being asked to do more than they are ready for especially with Chaz out but this does not help JaMarcus either.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Nov 3, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd was one-on-one with Huff
and saw the ball before Huff could react. There wasn’t a crowd.
by RLangford on Nov 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i still like
ricky stanzy personaly. so many of those picks were from the damn typhoon winds that they had that day. dont believe me? in the fourth quarter when endzones were switched, who started throwing all the picks then?? tthhhattt would be indiana’s QB. in that game ricky had a clear head, poise, and even after five picks he was aggressive with the ball and pushed it down field. i believe he was 3 for 3 178 yards and 2 tds at one point in the fourth quarter.
by frank7da2tank on Nov 3, 2009 2:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stanzi
He’s had some not-so-good games against teams like Iowa State, Michigan State and Indiana. I don’t want him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 3, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
every QB has bad games
Just we got the one QB for whom 98% of his games are bad games.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 3, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Bad games against teams that aren’t good doesn’t make him a good quarterback.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 3, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he was 11 for 13 at one point in the fourth
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Nov 3, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares ..
tf we didn’t get beat as badly this week by a weak SD team?. Does anyone really think the entire franchise is going anywhere but downhill? 3 straight #1 picks that are producing nothing! 2 of them complete busts!! They have a QB that is a complete joke! WR’s that can’t get open much less make catches. The O line is a disaster! Anyone really believe that Seymore will want to stay with this sinking ship when he becomes a free agent? You’re delusional! The run D is mediocre crap at best and will not get better once he is gone! I don’t think anyone is actually stupid enough to believe that they can make the playoffs this season!!! The season is over. Actually the season was over before the first snap was taken! There is nothing left to play for. Every game they play.. I expect them to lose. You have decomposing Davis still making s.hi.t drafts picks so I expect whomever they pick next year to be garbage. Then add in the fact that with Alzheimer Al in charge no self respecting coach is going to want to come here and watch his career die. The franchise is dead for as long Davis is still clinging to life support.
Al Davis.. just die baby!!
by G M on Nov 3, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the season was over before the first snap
the season was over during the off-season. the season was over before the superbowl. this 2009 season was over when the 08 season started.
truth is, that most of us have faith in a team that has not been successful in recent years. we stick by it even at the worst of times. we cheer for them to win, and even when they’re failing, we still hope for the best. to me, they have played better than i have seen them play the last few years. I believe we can only get better.
by patriotguy on Nov 3, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we can only get better.
Well at this point, the only way to go is up.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Nov 3, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for all the reasons to be real about the situation this team is in
there are far more to be positive about than in recent years.
This team of young guys has been able to remain professional in the face of all the possible distractions and still show signs of improvement in many areas.
And the second half of the season will see many of the teams in the top and bottom quarters of the pack move significantly up or down, as usual. Let’s hope the Raiders can be amongst them, and salvage what they can from the season.
by brhynno on Nov 3, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is that chick interviewing Russel?
in the second video
I'm gametime_gsw, and I approve this message.
by gametime_gsw on Nov 3, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interviewer
It’s the first time I’ve seen that woman.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 4, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
another QB
call me insane, protector, or whatever. I don’t want to draft no stanzi, bradford, mccoy, tebow, have another rookie QB get up to speed for another 3 years. we don’t have the OL and WRs for another rookie to get acquainted with pro football. this league adapts like no other and looking at sanchez, d coordinators are catching up to him and his tendencies. Stafford is banged up and getting overwhelmed. The problem is even more accute when you draft an underclassmen, who needs to take control of an offense with a bunch of 30 yrs old who are jadded by going through their third contract negotiations. all I really ask is for JR to be accountable, mature, man up, this is the life you have chosen – first one in, last one out. It’s a business and fur coats look good and all but you need to bring it. That’s really all he needs to do and he will develop. I haven’t given up because I simply don’t like the alternatives. He needs to find a way to go 4-4 the rest of the year regardless if his WRs trip up like the 3 stooges, Macd getting fumblelitis, and other teams having scrimmages with our D. If he needs to call out his players, do it. Winning is his responsibility; that’s the way he needs to be accountable.
by raiders4liffe on Nov 5, 2009 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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