Catching Up With The Recent Non-Draft Picks of the Oakland Raiders: 2009 First Two Rounds
It is no secret that my favorite time of the year, for the past four seasons has been the build-up to the draft. It is also no secret that I lost my mind last season when the Raiders took Darius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell in the first two rounds and passed on many talented players in doing so.
So, this morning I took a look through some of the old threads where we discussed names that the Raiders should take to fill their various holes and here is what I found.
I wanted Crabtree in the first, if he was available, and his health report checked out. If not, then I wanted to wait to the second round to grab a receiver and my mind was set on Ohio State's Brian Robiskie.
Raider K agreed and thought that we should grab Raji in the first and Robiskie in the second.
I say go D-Line. Not O-line, D-Line. Get big frame,powerful, upcoming B.J. Raji. One of the top players in the draft and would fill a huge need.
To which I replied:
In a perfect World we’d draft a run stuffing DL in the first, Robiskie in the 2nd, Luigs or Wood in the 3rd, Safety in the 4th, Brinkley in the 6th and the BPA in the 7th.
And, of course, LiveAdam through in his two cents:
The real question is, if both Mack/Unger/Wood and Robiskie are available to the Raiders with their 2nd round pick, who do they chose?
Other names that were thrown around include Jeremy Maclin, Connor Barwin, Clinton Sintim, Rey Maualuga, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, Clay Mathews Jr. and Brian Cushing.
Well, Raider Nation, here is a look at what "Could Have Been".
Obviously the Raiders had issues with Crabtree, so they passed on him. The board consensus would have been to select B.J. Raji or Eugene Monroe with that pick.
I am curious how the options that we did have are performing:
First Round Options:
B.J .Raji, NT, Green Bay Packers - B.J. has 12 tackles in 7 games, so far, and is working his way into the Defensive Line Rotation in Green Bay. Local fans will get a good look at him this weekend as his team tangles with the 49ers.
With the revolving door at the NT position, Joseph, Seymour, Warren...I am thinking that Raji would have been a good fit here, or at least a better fit than Heyward-Bey.
Eugene Monroe, LT, Jacksonville - The jags were drooling over Monroe and they got their man after the Raiders passed on him. He has had his ups and downs, but, has now become a very good LT for the Jags.
Without a doubt, he would have helped this team out in spades. He would have started as a RT and could move anywhere on the line with all of the injuries that we've sustained.
Jeremy Maclin, Wide Receiver, Philly - There were some around here that wanted him over Crabtree, and he was available, so, let's take a look at how he is doing this season.
In 9 games, he has 31 catches for 413 yards and 4 TDs. This is all as a second choice behind DeSean Jackson, another player that we missed when we traded our 2008 second rounder for De'Angelo Hall.
Whoever said that they wanted Maclin, "This Bud's For You"!!!
2nd Round Options:
With names like Connor Barwin, Ron Brace, Phil Loadholt, Max Unger, and Clint Sintim on the board, the Raiders their pick to the Pats, moved down and selected Mike "Tuck Your Shirt In" Mitchell.
Here is how those players are doing:
Connor Barwin, LB, Texans - Connor is having a difficult time breaking into the Linebacking Corps ins Houston, then again, so would almost anyone. He has 9 tackles and one sack in 9 games.
Ron Brace, DT, New England - Brace has not played in 5 weeks and is burried in New England. He really isn't a great fit for the 3-4 and this pick did surprise me.
Phil Loadholt, OL, Minnesota - Right Tackle ANYONE? Loadholt has been as solid as any NFL rookie, starting every game, and is only getting better. I wish he would have ended up in Oakland!!! Then again, I would have chosen the next guy, Max Unger from my draft chart.
Max Unger, C, Seattle - He has been a dominant RG, who was a dominant Center in College. He would have been a NO-Brainer to make our O-Line better.
Clint Sintim, LB, NYG - Sintim is splitting time with former raider Danny Clark, but is beginning to see more reps and may start for the first time this week.
So far, the Raider have gotten NOTHING from their first two picks, in fact you could make a case that the first rounder has cost us a couple of games!!! So, what do you think Raider Nation?
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How has Mitchell been doing?
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Nov 21, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's been MOSTLY a special teams player
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by saint on Nov 21, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell
He has done absolutely nothing. Like I said when we drafted him, it was a terrible pick.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 21, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but the reason is he lacks the skills Branch and Monroe have in coverage
which is mandatory to play in our predominantly man to man defense. What plans they have for Mitchell down the road, I don’t know, but I imagine someone wanted him to bring some physicality to the game. i think you’ll see him in some different coverage packages eventually.
I don’t completely have a problem with this guy, just hate that we took him with a second round pick. Arguably, he might’ve gone undrafted otherwise, though rumors Philly was gonna take him in the second were out there. Not sure if any truth to it.
by brhynno on Nov 21, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monroe + Brace
Eugene Monroe + Ron Brace would have been my two picks last year. I wanted Robiskie with the 2 pick but he was gone. If only Monroe and Brace could have run a 4.3 40… Maybe we could trade for Brace somehow?
by rambis64 on Nov 21, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maclin
I would like to point out that had Al picked Maclin BOTH the punt and kickoff problems would’ve been solved.
Kemosobe
by Jerry B on Nov 21, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very good point
and maybe Mac would have made that catch against KC.
I was one of those against Mac , in retrospect it would have been our best pick by far.
Punjabi by Nature
by Robby1987 on Nov 22, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maclin
Im real happy we did not draft Crabtree…. any rookie who holds out i believe to be an idiot…. Crabtree is a good player no doubt, came in late and is already catching passes and making plays but since his holdout…. not a fan…. there would be so many people who would love to play in the NFL for any team no matter the price… you need passion not an interest in the bills…
I would like to see Maclin… yes speed is a very interesting and attention grabber but Maclin was also fast and can catch better(alot better) than DHB… dont get me wrong i actually have alot of belief in DHB and feel he will be a great WR…. someday… but needs alot of work… would have chose Maclin… screw Crabtree.
by ButtMunch on Nov 21, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Saint
I can’t believe you remembered this. Makes me proud. But, I still wish we would’ve gotten Raji.
If Winning Isn't Everthing, Why Do They Keep Score? - Vince Lombardi
by Rayder K on Nov 21, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Naw I wish
We would have took Micheal Oher or Eugene Monroe we need a solid O line that is what happened with the Dolphins yes. They were 1-15 solidified the left side of the line which of course will open up both pass and run. The only good people on the line we have I think are Gallery, and Henderson.
Wake me up if we win
by nishal26 on Nov 21, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hellbent on Crabtree, but came to believe we dodged a bullet
especially with all the bs surrounding his contract this year (Jamarcus ring a bell??).
I knew he was the most NFL ready guy, would complement what few receivers we had by giving us a solid possession guy, one who attacked the football on tape, and you could see by the TD’s he was the guy who would be ready for the next level. I thought for sure he would be gone by the time our pick came around, and figured Maclin was the logical pick.
I was blindsided by DHB somehow, and it’s unbelievable because I know how Al loves the track stars, but just thought we wanted Crabtree. Then I ultimately believed the talk about how we wanted only “character guys” per Cable and what little info the Raiders org. leaked surrounding the draft, and who they talked to and all.
Loved Robiskie, and his NFL readiness, and how he had it in his blood. Thought maybe the connection to the organization might make him a possiblity too, if we’d have done like we should’ve and taken OL or DT with our first picks.
I firmly believe if we’d have had a solid GM and better planning, we could’ve traded down, still got a Eugene Monroe or Loadholdt (loved that dude from the get go, and he’s arguably the most solid pick yet) addressed wideout and LB with later picks.
Ultimately, I don’t hate the guys we took (sans the wasted picks in Norris and that other LB) but it’s pretty clear it was asinine to use the picks the way we did. We could’ve traded way down, possibly even into the late second round and still gotten DHB and Mitchell if they wanted them so badly, and accumulated future picks like the Pats did.
When all was said and done the Pats walked away with three or four 2nd round picks for next year. With the Seymour trade, they’ll be able to accumulate even more down the road. Please, lord, let us sign a GM, and would it be too much to ask, that he’s decent?
by brhynno on Nov 21, 2009 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stop convincing yourself Crabtree would have been bad
No doubt we should have picked him or Maclin. But DHB? He better be amazing next year. As for Mitchell I still have hope for him since he has had signs of being very good this year. Everytime he gets in he does something really well. I still remember on our first kickoff last year he laid out Sproles. At least he can be a human missile
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 21, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he would've been bad. Initially the contract problems and the worries he's a diva
convinced me that was why we didn’t take him. I know he was the most ready to play guy.
That being said, I think DHB will be a more complete guy down the road, if indeed he starts catching balls. Crabtree can be a matchup problem and a red zone threat in battles for the ball, but in the long run, he’ll struggle to separate from defenders, and is not a true number one receiver.
It’s true, DHB could turn out to be a bust if he proves unable to catch, but all the talk from respected former coaches and GMs in the league still believe he’ll blossom into an elite receiver. My point is, I don’t hate the guy, I just hate that we essentially wasted the high pick, and all the money that goes with a top contract since we could’ve probably still gotten him in the late second round, maybe even with the third. We blew how we used the picks.
By no means do I think Crabtree would’ve been bad; on the contrary, he would’ve been a more immediate answer to our faltering passing game. But we knew DHB was a developmental project. Every one says he’s working his ass off, and that will be the key to his ultimate success.
by brhynno on Nov 21, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all with receivers
Maclin or Crabtree wouldnt be catching passes as Raiders, simply because J-Miss couldn’t hit the targets.
I wanted us to take Monroe and Michael Johnson in 1st and 2nd rounds and still stick by those original guys. Granted we did get a DE in the 1st round it just came in the way of our 2011 pick.
Oh well …
by Bud Light on Nov 21, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
great point
DHB bounces balls off guys hands even when he is on target! No touch whatsoever!
by brhynno on Nov 21, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have been pretty unlucky in first rounds over the years
I mean coming out of college Gallery, Huff, McFadden, Russell were all can’t miss pro’s, Russell just won the national title and had one of the most impressive pro days ever it would have been retarded NOT to draft him, but for whatever reason we just haven’t caught a break on any of these guys. Who is to say who should get drafted where when pro-bowlers routinely get picked up in the later rounds, Chris Johnson goes 24th overall and adrian peterson goes 7 and at the time I remember there was basically NO talk of him going number 1 and all anyone would talk about is whether he could catch out of the backfield and that he goes down easy and fumbles too much well now he has had arguably the greatest start to a career of ALL TIME.
You could always argue we should have drafted differently a different position or whatever but it’s easy to say what should have happened after the fact and we have still drafted top line talent out of college and they have produced basically nothing you would think at least ONE of these guys would be a hit.
Bottom line is that the draft is a crap shoot and we keep rolling snake eyes.
I think the only real controversial pick was DHB and Mitchell but they are rookies and although they havent produced much i dont think they are as bad as the hype says.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Nov 21, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I remember the Gallery pick stung me the most because we could have used Fitzgerald aswell. I kept telling myself that “atleast hes a cant miss”
Its not about the crap shoot anymore, these past few years has been all Al Davis. The players have all the power and there is absolutely NO structure. Why should Jamarcus give a fuck if he KNOWS hes going to start no matter what the coach thinks?
Punjabi by Nature
by Robby1987 on Nov 22, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
russell did not win the national title with lsu ,mauch(sp) did in 2003 and they won it again after he left in 2008 with another no name qb who didn’t turn the ball over in big games like jamarcus did in college , the only huge game he had against a good opponent was against notre dame in the sugar bowl and it was not for the national championship and that game propelled him to the #1 pick in the draft which we had the misfortune of having and picking him….I live on the arkansas/ loiusiana border in a small town called junction city were all the people are razorback or lsu fans and these two teams are on every weekend and let me tell you drafting jamarcus was a huge mistake because the fans from lsu hated this guy because he underacheived for them he was supposed to be the next big star at qb and was just alright on a very good lsu team, they were glad to see him go.and now it seems history is repeating itself with this guy great talent but does not have the " IT " that it takes to be great or even good for that matter qb in the NFL and all the talk of dhb and whomelse we could have drafted is chicken feed compared to who we could have drafted instead of a way overated big armed large assed qb that is going to set the RAIDERS franchise back another 5 years that we as fans dont deserve so if you really want to blame somebody for the downward spiral the RAIDERS are in blame the guy whom we drafted #1 overall 3 years ago to turn it around and has done nothing to change the freefall he hasn’t even tried.
by TRURAIDA on Nov 21, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wish you'd spoke out before 4/06 draft?
Bench, no, Fire the Scouts – how did they not hear about this when they visited lsu? assuming they went there. (?)
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 21, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't really argue with that tbh
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Nov 21, 2009 9:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jamarcus Russell
was going either 1 or 3 that year. Cleveland was going to take him had he fallen for sure. He was actually pretty highly considered the consensus top QB right there with Brady Quinn.
All that OZ was saying was it wasn’t considered such a bad decision at the time of the pick.
In retrospect it would have been great to have drafted Calvin Johnson though :’(
Punjabi by Nature
by Robby1987 on Nov 22, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Picks!!!
As far as this last years draft years draft picks & any other years draft picks you have no one to blame but Mr. Al Davis. He is the one that makes the fianal decisions on all the picks. No they should not have chosen Jamarcus Russell #1 when they did & they should not have chosen DHB in the 1st rd this last year but that’s what Al wanted to do & that what happens when Al wants it to happen. I have been a Raider Fan since they started to playing in the old AFL & Al Davis has forgotten more about Football than most people know but he has forgotten it! If someone is a good Football player but Al does not like them they will grow old on the bench or get traded or let go before he will let them play. If a Coach does not like it ,he will not be Coach any more. I’m a Raider Fan but not an Al Davis Fan but I’m a Realalist also; as long as Al Davis is around this is what the Raiders are going to be like & no one can do anything about it, go ahead & try.
by reyns on Nov 21, 2009 11:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He did it his way
and when he was good he was very good and … etc.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 22, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great write up
its always fun to look back and see what everyone was saying before and after the picks.
Punjabi by Nature
by Robby1987 on Nov 22, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad decisions
The pick should have been Crabtree, Monroe, or trading down for more picks. The offense was and is what needs the most help. I would have gone Crabtree because I wanted Loadholt at RT and he was dropping on everyone’s board. He was there when we drafted in the second and so was Unger. We’ve wasted so many picks it’s not even funny!! Everybody has been talking about Crabtree being a primadonna, but the difference with his holdout and JRuss is that Crabtree is a worker and a guy who puts in the time. He’ll be another great pro that we passed on.
by STX on Nov 23, 2009 7:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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