Please Al, Hire a GM
by stejohn on Dec 13, 2009 5:01 PM PST
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PrintI would like the Radier Nation to meet at the next game and during the tail gate party have a Russel jersey burning party. or maybe they could give Russel a broom and have him sweep up after the game so his 36 millon dollar contract isint a total waste. Never mind, he would probally drop all the garbage he collected and cause more work for the other workers. Please, please Al, hire a GM.
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how is a gm going to solve the Raider's problems?
I think it was a gm who drafted Alex Smith over Aaron Rogers. A gm also drafted Leaf, George, Couch, Akili Smith, and on and on.
Please Al, hire a gm. please, please, please.
Shut Up
A GM for the Oakland Raiders is on my wishlist. And I like the Jersey burning idea..Maybe get a camera crew out there to watch..Get a message across
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
how is a gm going to solve the problem?
you haven’t answered the question idiot?
how about the lions?
That’s what I thought. Big mouths, but can’t back it up.
So does New England, Indy, New Orleans, Minnesota, San Diego, Denver,
Miami, Tennessee, Baltimore,Cincy,Philly, Arizona, Green Bay, Jaxsonville , Atlanta, New York, and every other team better than us
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Raiders gm = al davis (owner, can't be fired) live with it
Didn’t Indy draft Geoff George? (wasn’t George a sure thing)
Minnesota = 0 superbowl wins (can’t draft a quarterback either)
Baltimore, Kyle Boller
Arizona, Lienhart
I could go on and on.
The point is that Al Davis has done as bad and as good as those other teams. Right now, things have been bad. But crying, boohoo, “hire a gm” is not the solution. Cut Russell, that makes more sense.
Cut Cable and Russell but not Al
… as if we have any potency whatsoever
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Your making no sense
Every team has a bust on their record..Every team..Naming teams like the Lions and Rams who have GM’s is just pointing out the few bad teams with GM’s. Stop trying to prove your useless point
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
How is AL solving the problem???????
I’ll answer that for you…he’s not, which is why we see crap like today all too often. Now you can answer back your standard “we can’t win every year…blah-blah-blah.”
Ok
Great question. He hired a Kiffin, who ended up using this job to bolt to another team. Then he hired a “good football guy”, Tom Cable. A good offensive line coach using the ZONE blocking scheme that everyone says Al Davis doesn’t like. Every year, Al Davis does as much as he can to help the team. He signs free agents and makes trades. He brought in Moss, now Seymour. These are top end free agents that you douchebags used to say the Raiders couldn’t get.
Now why don’t you show how he could have done things better and differently. Try not to use bs reasons that can be debated. If it is so obvious Al Davis hasn’t done anything lately, then you should have plenty of unequivocal reasons.
Ok
He drafted Russell, DHB, Huff(he’s solid but over Ngata), and passed on many other stars. What did Moss do? And Kiffin was good, Al just hated him. Need I go on?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
I agree about Kiffin.
Although I think he needed to shut up a little bit, he had the Raiders on track and alot of the games we lost were due to prevent defense.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Defense
I’ll give you a hint: John Marshall is not the man whose idea it is to play man-to-man 98 percent of the time.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 13, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Ease up princess, you mad? You sound mad.
Great question. He hired a Kiffin, who ended up using this job to bolt to another team. Then he hired a "good football guy", Tom Cable. A good offensive line coach using the ZONE blocking scheme that everyone says Al Davis doesn’t like. Every year, Al Davis does as much as he can to help the team. He signs free agents and makes trades. He brought in Moss, now Seymour. These are top end free agents that you douchebags used to say the Raiders couldn’t get.
You listed the hiring of two unproven rookie HC’s and a couple terrible trades Davis made as your case why NFL teams do not need GM’s. That’s too awesome to describe.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Not mad at all. Those were good trades and good hirings
Nothing wrong with those trades or the head coach hirings. I bet you all were excited about the Kiffin hiring. Either way Kiffin lost those games by calling the prevent.
Debateble is not unequivocal. If gettin Moss was such a terrible trade then why did the Patriots trade for him too?
How is the Patriots defense without Seymour?
Those were great trades for the Raiders. Seymour is still young and plays at a high level. A 1st round draft pick is a gamble.
Losing Games
Either way Kiffin lost those games by calling the prevent.
Davis lost the games because it’s all him since he won’t let the coaches do anything.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
You're insane.
and so is Cable. Al is only demented.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Are you sure...
That you’re not the “insane” one Sons? By the way, why aren’t you picking on Sbay for his love of Seymour?
You missed it.
[Sbay’s] argument works beautifully against his own possition … could it have been intentional? No, not him.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
lol
al davis is calling plays and telling Kiffin to run prevent. You are so blinded by ingnorance that it’s funny. You think that the networks wouldn’t pick up Al in his box calling plays.
Fail
I didn’t say Al called the plays, genius. Al implements the philosophy.
You probably have some job within the Raiders organization.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
"[Al] won't let the coaches do anything"
Your words RRS betray a sick mind.
btw, please put your ‘Fail’ remark back where it belongs.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry
Don’t be a tool. John Marshall is the one who wants to play man-to-man 98 percent of the time, right? Yeah, sure it is. You’re a failure.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 14, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Failure by association only
just as the other True Raiders are for now. The man coverage isn’t the problem anyway; the miserable pass rush is and a coach who doesn’t have a clue how to use what Al has given him.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
But
Al gave Cable those DT’s that you blame for everything. You truly believe that the Raiders have the right players for man coverage?
Our backs on both sides are superior in quality
to the lineman on either side, Rug Merchant.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
RRS
First you said that Kiffin put us in position to win some games but the prevent lost it for us and Al Davis is responsible. Being responsible for the philosophy is ture in some ways, but those games were lost because of Kiffin, since anything but the prevent could have given the team a better chance to succeed.
For those who criticize Al Davis’ philosophy- the NY Giants had the same philosophy and won the Super Bowl. The problem is as you all know, that Al Davis paid big bucks for bad talent and he definitely needs help there; as do many other GMs around the league.
Kiffin wanted to blitz more
and we still lost the game because of prevent D which Ryan called at the end of the game. That Buffalo game could have been a sure win.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
His argument works beautifully against his own possition
… could it have been intentional? No, not him.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
These guys have pretty much summed up what was needed to be said but
exactly what is it that you said that “can’t be debated?” By the way, I’m not a douchebag.
matter of opinion
I think those were good moves, others don’t. Either way, there is no slam dunk that a GM would solve anything.
The original point was what would a GM have done over the last offseason to make the team better that hasn’t been done???
No one is answering because they have no clue. But they keep calling for a GM.
And your point is????
Obviously stejohn meant to hire a competent GM. But what the hell, an incompetent GM would probably still be better than Al, ‘cuz it would mean that Al isn’t running the team by himself anymore.
his resume is three super bowl wins
can you beat that you morons
Sorry
“What have you done for me lately?” Our record since the start of the 2003 season is the worst in the league. If you think Al Davis is a good general manager, you’re a clueless tool.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 13, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
No more living in the past!
The Raiders haven’t won a Super Bowl in 26 years!
And by the way when the Raiders were winning those Super Bowls Al had help from good football men like Ron Wolf.
Sorry yourself
I can tell just by your name “Superstar” that you are entitled to a Super Bowl and a great record. I’m soooo sorry for you.
Wrong
I’m just entitled to the following:
4-time WWE Champion
5-time World Heavyweight Champion
5-time Intercontinental Champion
12-time World Tag Team Champion
2-time WWE Tag Team Champion
2001 King of the Ring
2005 Mr. Money in the Bank
2007 Mr. Money in the Bank
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 13, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
You Watch WWE?
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
WWE
I used to watch it. I only follow the results because the product fell off so much. I thought it was bad in 2006, but it just became progressively worse. It’ll never reclaim the glory years of 1999-2002. Once Edge is back in 2010, I’ll watch it more.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 14, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I use to watch WCW
Till Goldberg left..That man was the shizznitt
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Aww man
Are you Talking about the Steve Austin era and The rock. Thats when WWE was was really good
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by gametime_gsw on Dec 16, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
You still haven't made your point
You like to call people morons and idiots, but you still haven’t taken a stand yourself. Just say it, you think Al Davis is doing just fine, don’t you. Are you angling for a job with the team and figure the way to achieve it is to act like John Herrera or Randy Hanson: just tell Al he’s doing fine and everybody in the world is in a conspiracy against him, including the morons and idiots on Silver and Black Pride.
When Al Davis Fires Cable that will be proof that Al is still the Man
Now go read “Update on Tom Cable’s Fate”
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 13, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
How will that prove anything?
A little girl could fire Cable. It takes a “man” to admit he is wrong or needs help. These are things Al is incapable of doing.
A Man corrects his mistakes
and Cable is a mistake that Al will admit to making by firing him.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
And the next guy will be better right?
Sons, I think that you’re just having fun defending the undefendable acts of Al just to get under nearly everyone’s skin. By the way, have you and Sbay set a date yet?
by Rusty23 on Dec 14, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Many here were deceived by JMR
and vociferated their desires that Al acquire him in the draft at any cost. Al, against his better judgment, acquiesced with the unwashed mob and opening his modest purse spent magnificently on what became the Bust of the decade. Now these ungrateful curs turn and bite the hand that has fed them.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 15, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions
I made it several times.
if you can’t read that’s your problem.
How would it not?
Obviously Al is losing his grip on what the NFL is and how to scout. He’s bringing in vets that don’t fit our system cuz they’re good in the system they are in. Case in point: DeAngelo Hall.
We’re paying vets like Walker to just sit around. A GM can negotiate contracts, and be a buffer between the coach and the owner.
This must be troll season around here now.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
the biggest change is culture
Al Davis has been quick to get rid of players with bad attitudes and avoid signing new trouble- like Vick.
He definitely needs help and he admitted it himself.
He can admit it til he's blue in the face.
But it doesn’t mean squat if he doesn’t do anything about it.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
getting a GM
Anyone who is still defending al davis as leader of the raiders is out-of-touch with how bad the team is.
But the team could be improved with
Getting a real nfl offense
Getting a competent GM, perferably from a successful team
Some one who won’t be al davis’ b***h
by pereginfalcon29 on Dec 13, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions
Out of touch?
he’s at every home game. They run the zone blocking scheme a part of the west coast offense. I think you’re out of touch.
So what if he's at games
How about our bland defense? Or his thinking that speed is the end all be all of a player? Your out of touch
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
when you can't score, would you be blitzing????
explain how to spice it up.
bland defense
wow that is really the Raiders’ problem? You guys have solved it. Al Davis should hire you.
Defense
It’s part of the problem. When you play man-to-man 98 percent of the time and never blitz, you’re setting yourself up for failure. This isn’t 1977 anymore.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 14, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
ooooh
zone blocking scheme is a west coast idea. So what is your point?
If you think the Raiders run the west coast offense
I would only ask that you go to youtube and type in 1985 San Francisco 49ers.
Watch that for 5 minutes and then I think you’ll understand the Raiders don’t run an offense that is anything like the west coast offense.
no one runs that anymore, i'm talking about zone blocking vs power not the whole deal
Zone blocking is west coast. Do you disagree?
Zone blocking
I misread your comment and thought you were saying the Raiders are a west coast offense team not that they just run the zone blocking scheme which is a part of some versions of the west coast offense. My mistake.
sbay sbay
Your whole problem is that your getting caught up in the bipolarism which is Al Davis. He would be a good owner if he wasn’t always trying to be the GM, Coach, Media spokesman, and everything else. The whole problem with Al Davis as a GM is that no owner of a team should be the GM. A rich billionaire who is elderly is not going to put in enough effort into the role of GM’ing to make the proper decisions which are needed from the role of a GM. I love that he is willing to spend money for good players and such. I just wish he had a competent GM advising him on what big players to spend that money on. A competent GM would not have advise him to sign Kelly to that contract or Walker to his or even Hall to his. A competent GM would trust the advice of his scouts when they tell him Hall can’t play man D, which happens to be a major component of our defense. Finally and of most importance a competent GM understands the core concept he is trying to build his team around. Al wants to run the ball hard and pass deep. You need an O-line to do these 2 things. Thus a competent GM either drafts o-lineman high in the draft or advises the owner to spend big money on the best avail in free agency. Who is the last lineman to get big money on the Raiders other than Gallery? On the D-side what additions were made to d-line and linebacker core of the worst rush D team in the league during the offseason and draft? Greg Ellis? Wow, isn’t he a great run stopper, lucky to have him! I see DHB and Mike Mitchell really plugging up those holes on D this yr, I love our GM. Come on now Sbay come real with it. Raise your standards of excellence because to me you’re sounding a lot like Russell when he says he is doing just fine. If your standards are that low, then yes Al is a great GM.
Well Put!
Thanks for answering my original question. You made a detailed point which is much more than a line saying “Al, hire a gm”, then ranting four lines about slowmarcus Russell. I know a few guys here really do understand how Davis suffers from “bipolarism” and they want more consistent good decisions from a full time GM. I just wanted to see if someone including stejohn could articulate how a GM would make things different or whether he was just jumping on the hate Al Davis bandwagon and then piling on after a loss.
By the way, I also hope that Al Davis learned from the Kelly mistake. But you might remember that even Sapp said that Kelly was going to be an elite lineman. Today, Sapp is all over Al Davis.
Bipolarism
Its a serious disease that I am diagnosed with…Not a word to be thrown around towards a senile owner/GM. Ecspecially when the person using it is a ignorant troll such as yourself
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Seriously?
itswhateva just said things that the rest of us have said 20 times over but you never listen. How are the placards and picket boards coming for the march to Jamacus house coming by the way?
we need a slogan and at least ten picketers
First we established that all one can hate Al Davis but still support the Raiders without being called a hater. Now, we are establishing the need for a GM with authority to keep from overpaying unproven players and scouting better overall.
A lot of people voted for the protest but none of the positive votes commented.
A rich billionaire who is elderly is not going to put in enough effort into the role of GM’ing to make the proper decisions which are needed from the role of a GM
It’s not the effort he doesn’t put in. It’s the fact that the game has changed and he refuses to change with it.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
They should have used the billboard money to lobby Raider legends instead
He is getting old and may not have the energy to do what he used to do.
Count Me In
BURN those Fucking Jersey’s and anyone that still even wears them they’re just as stupid as NO HUSSEL RUSSELL
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