These guys would look good in Silver & Black
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 1:08 AM PST
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"The Greatness of the Raiders is in it's future."
Like Blackbeard luring wayward sons to sea with promises of adventure and plunder, The Greatness of the Raiders has always been fueled by our ability to take other teams trash and turn it to treasure. It's well documented and need not be retread in great detail. Be it Jim Plunkett, Rich Gannon, Mike Haynes, Jerry Rice, Charlie Garner..... Our next run to greatness will probably be on the backs of mercenaries, renegades, guns for hire. Grown ass men not fitting in with their current team. Forget the million dollar babies you spend years molding into fine, upstanding citizens. Leave that to the school teachers and nannies! We're the Raiders, we build Greatness out of angry men, men with something to prove, castoffs. It's what we do.
Aside from a few key positions, I see a lot of talent on this team. D line, secondary and RB corps are all solid. We can win with these guys. Kickers are obviously all star. We need a boost at QB, OL, LB and WR. I think it's a pretty good year for those spots and I think, with a solid draft and a couple key free agents, the Raiders can make a full turn around from this 6 year nightmare starting Week 1, 2010. We can't go on another spending spree, thanks to our fiscal mistakes the last few years, but 2-3 fresh faces in the right spots could make all the difference. I don't think we can afford to start the season without an addition at Quarterback, late season heroics not withstanding, and I really don't want to do the 1st round QB thing all over again. One good free agent Quarterback, one nasty free agent offensive lineman and a draft full of linemen, linebackers and a couple 4.2 "Al's boys" at wide receiver.... The rest of the team is ready to arrive. Here's some QBs I'd love to see playing in Oakland with something to prove:
QBs
Tarvaris Jackson, Unrestricted FA stats: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackTa00.htm
I am a big fan of this guy. 26 years old, mobile, his last two years he's got a QB rating over 100, 10 td's, 2 ints, mobile. He's anti-JaMarcus. Hopefully Favre sticks around another year and puts him on the market.
David Carr, UFA stats: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDa00.htm
He's 30, looks to be in great shape, and NY can't afford to keep him. Trade in one #1 overall for another, more developed #1? Sounds good to me.
Troy Smith UFA stats: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTr02.htm
Another young, mobile, fairly accurate QB you don't have to worry about fumbling or sacking the game away.
Some kids I'd love to see us get in the draft:
Bruce Campbell, Offensive Tackle, Maryland
Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama
Russell Okung, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma State
Bryan Bulaga, Offensive Tackle, Iowa
Dan Williams, Nose Tackle, Tennessee
C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson
Charles Brown, Offensive Tackle, USC
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If we kep Bruce and signed Jackson or Troy Smith I'd be very happy
Both have played very well when they have gotten there chance. I personally think Troy Smith was good enough to be a 1st rounder but people look at height so much nowadays.
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by dubzfan on Dec 23, 2009 2:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
next year
I say our biggest area of need is offensive line, we are set at runningback, WR could pick up a veteran but Chaz and Louis are good. Gradkowski will be the man, cut JaMarcus and grab Tavaris Jackson or Troy Smith. then upgrade the defensive backfield; linebacker, cornerback and safety.
by Robert72 on Dec 23, 2009 7:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
whatever we do we can't draft another receiver
We already have 5 receivers who at most will be in the 4th. year (Higgins) We have let the youth develop. I’m fine with maybe a veteran brought in, but we can’t draft anymore at this position.
And to say the D-Line is a position we’re alright at is blasphemous because we’re still getting gouged up the middle. We still are in dire need of a NT to stuff the run. That and a solid 3rd. LB would probably give us a very good D. Throw in cornerback depth in free agency and we’re good to go for a great year defensively.
As for QB, why was Jason Campbell, an unrestricted FA who’s starting to get pretty good, not mentioned?
Anyway, O-Line has to be addressed in FA so we can use our draft picks are on more critical things like the D-Line (Cody and McCoy are still in our draft range at DT) or MLB/OLB (or we could do what Cincy did and draft Spikes or McClain at MLB and move him to OLB like Cincy did with Maualuga).
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by KA1Z3R on Dec 23, 2009 7:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
OT right side and DT or 2 (or 1 good Nose if we switch to 3-4) are our top priorities
No to WRs
No to SS and FS
Yes, to MLB
Yes to 1 CB
QB in FA or later rounds
Also pick-up a Center and OG
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell would be great
But he’s been talked about all year and I don’t see how washington could let him go.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Line
I think that’s the position that’s in the worst shape, so I voted for it.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 23, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
OT Logan Mankins
He’s 28 yrs old and has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted, starting all 77 games. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
by RUKidding on Dec 23, 2009 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pats are poison
no more Manchurian candidates
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
money can talk him out of staying with the pats
especially if al davis wants him, he’s not afraid to open up the checkbook..
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's too big
not fit for the ZB
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by KA1Z3R on Dec 23, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too big?
Madkins LG is 6’ 4" 310lbs Gallery RG is 6-7 Weight: 325
and he’s from a winning organazation. It also helps on passing situations to have a guy like Madkins, he’s a big reason Bradys shirt stays clean
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
by RUKidding on Dec 23, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus hes a cowboy
from the mariposa cal area. he’d like to be a raider. this guy is a good hand, cowboyin and playin ball
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand
cut jamarcus and pick up tarvaris? you either like them both or you hate them both, i think. tarvaris’ numbers are better because he’s been in the league longer, giving him more experience, and because he’s on a much better team.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
???????
They are both black, aside from that, I really don’t see many similarities. Jackson is a mobile QB who’s shown good ball control the last couple years, JaMarcus can throw it 100 yards……
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
umm..i was definitely NOT referring to race at all.
my bad, my understanding was that tarvaris jackson had troubles with accuracy as well. double-checked the stats, and was wrong. his 58% completion rate isn’t anything to get excited about, but it’s much better than russell. Still not sold on him, however. He played on a really great team in Minnesota.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's looked real solid in the games I've seen him in
He had the bad playoff game, but I think he is really ready to step forward. He moves well in the pocket. I want JaMarcus to go off every time he steps on the field, and then he lumbers around. I’m convinced I’ll know a new and Improved Russell when I see it, because it’s not going to happen if he doesn’t lose 20 lbs.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but how do you think Tarvaris can adjust to playing here
out Oline isn’t bad, but its definitely not anything close to what Minnesota has. He also had Adrian Peterson, a great defense, and adaquate receivers to throw to.
while i think our players can eventually develop to be just as good as the vikings (especially our young stable of receivers), I’m not convinced that Tarvaris would be very successful if put in this situation.
exactly what does losing 20 lbs have to do with throwing the ball accurately and making half-decent reads?
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can't get himself in position to make the accurate throw
Because he’s too slow. He doesn’t have time to read the field because he’s too slow. The line doesn’t have a chance to protect because he’s too slow. All his talent can’t produce because he just too slow. T Jackson’s game has shown steady improvement in all areas, I’d roll the dice on him.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND i thought i was the
only one who would like to see Carr given another chance to start. he has spent 3 years on the pine and has looked great in relief of manning. protect him better than houston did and he could be the dark horse lurking in the nfl. we passed on a dirty renegade lineman in Incognito, he would have fit in to our misfit system, and you better be a dirt bag to play the oline. LOL jerry rice from trash to treasure, thats funny
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rice
Trash might be a bit of a stretch, but, he was given up on and gave us some great years with a chip on his shoulder.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carr looks ready to lead
He’s looking like a beast. He’s so much stronger and aware. He looks like a mature, fit, dedicated former #1 overall pick who played for a horrible team, got his ass whooped and is stronger for it. I would love to take a big shot at landing Carr.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me too, carr would fit in
plus i had to give u shit on rice, hell he wanted to be a rebel, remember his corn rows! that shit aint allowed over in white collar niner country!
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see David Carr and Bruce
Fight it out for the starting job that is my ideal situation outside of that I also like Troy Smith but have never been a fan of Tavaris would personally rather stick it out with JaMarcus than sign Tavaris and that is saying something
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by Ozraider on Dec 23, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Tavaris is a bad idea
But Carr is NOT going to lead any team to the superbowl. He’s too slow getting set and he’s been shell-shocked from getting hit too many times. He’s a back up ay best and not much better than Jamarcus.
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by RUKidding on Dec 24, 2009 5:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
i think sitting on the bench the last 3 years has gotten him offer those 70+ sack seasons in houston. in relief off the bench he has looked good and seems quicker to me, plus he can scrammble if needed, just my opinion
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 24, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carr's okay the other two are sub-mediocre
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 24, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if they're sub mediocre
What are the QB’s we have?
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 3:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grad is much better. Still decided about Frye, Otis & Russell we know
But, for conversation’s sake, what if our current QB roster had nothing but Sub-mediocre players on it, how would getting the castoffs and benchwarmers (above) improve our situation?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If these guys are were not better than what we have
Then no, It wouldn’t make much of a difference. But, I believe they are. I realize we all love Grad now because it looked like we might have one of the worst years ever and he stepped in, but, really. “Grad is much better?” He’s accurate…..compared to Jamarcus. He’s mobile……compared to Jamarcus. He makes good reads…..compared to JaMarcus. Compared to the history of QB’s, there’s a lot lacking. I’m not saying I don’t appreciate him. I like him and it’d be good to have him back next year, but no way in hell I’m handing him the job.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one should be handed a job in professional football
The NFL is the last expression of tribal culture, of the alpha male/hunter gatherer pre-technological paradigm shift. So I am with you 100% on your last statement. No one gets a free pass; sentimentality gets you dead. Having said that, we are still humans, not beasts, so courage and other personality attributes that are intangible still matter a lot in accessing a players ability and contribution.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Grad
I’m a fan, I think it’d be a great story if he was able to become a star. But, objectively speaking, we need to try and improve that position for next year. If he is definately our best QB going into camp, I don’t like the outlook.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Thought The Same Thing....
…about Incognito. A dirty player and a jerk – a Raiders kind of guy! Let’s sign him!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Dec 26, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mcloy
in the 1st round. i think hes still up for grabs when we pick and i think we snatch him up. As far as LB, how is slade coming along, anybody hear? this guy flew around the football at oregon and i wonder if we get to see him this year?
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Oakland Cut him
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 23, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im pretty sure we did
i think they said they didnt like his work ethic, but we kept jamarcus so i could be wrong
by raiderfan4life on Dec 23, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
slade was signed to the practice squad
and i believe is now on the active roster. But at the very least he’s definitely on the practice squad. Stryker Sulak was the guy that the raiders cut.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, sulak is gone
and im sure slade is active, i guess we will see if hes here in 2010 or not. the name slade just sounds like a bad ass ready for the highlight reel!
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need some more OL
and one monster linebacker. There is nothing wrong with our DL, they are fine. Once Trevor Scott was switched to LB, the running defense picked up. We need a new RG, and RT, that is where I would like to see the Raiders go in the draft, unless McClain is there when we draft in the first round.
by Laoren on Dec 23, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Needs
OL
DT
CB
FB
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 23, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Other Needs
Ellis and Seymour can’t play forever, so add defensive end to the list. Despite having Scott (who looks like an outside linebacker now) and Shaughnessy, we should still look at one in the sixth round or something should we need some depth.
Also, we need some form of a linebacker whether it’s the middle, outside or both.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 23, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bush can move to FB when he's not RB
He’ll need to get in fantastic shape since he won’t be rotating.
The DEs are fine for now and we’re also fine at OLBs (especially when Morrison is moved to the outside where he belongs) – we need a real Middle Linebacker.
Although we are weakest on the OL right side, that doesn’t necessarily mean we draft there first.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
morrison
cable said hes been playing well at middle, since scott moved up.
why does he belong at outside?
by raiderfan4life on Dec 23, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#52 is easily blocked out of plays & takes himself out of plays by poor reactions,
At OLB his speed will be put to better use since there’s more open space where his open field tackling ability can be better used. The MLB has to read well to position himself in the right place or the play passes him; we’ve seen this numerous times this season – huge gains up the middle with Morrison blocked out of play or taking himself out by reading the development wrong.
p.s. Kirk gets a lot of tackles because our DTs: Seymour, Warren, Kelly are weak.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
add 15 pounds to mitchell
and move him to the mlb spot.
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's tough but would probably get blocked out of plays
how about trying Matt Shaughnessy at MLB?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Not
Just keep Kirk at MLB? Hes doing fine, some will say hes having his best year there
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 23, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If true, we've seen him at his best - and that isn't good enough
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 24, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt add LB
Because, I doubt Kirk will ever move to the outiside..And Trevor is playing solid at OLB and Howard is great as usual..Seymour has another 3-4 years..adn Yeah, Another DE in the 6th wouldnt hurt
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 23, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if anyone
has some statistical knowledge or any kind of information of how scott is playing against the run. To my understanding, that was his biggest weakness when he was a DE.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
team's playing run better
since he moved
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RB roles for 2010
Bush= 50% HB, 50% FB
McFadden= 50% HB, 50% slot/spread out
Zack Crockett 2.0=50%FB, 12 TD’s….just need to find a Zack Crockett 2.0…….
Fargas=spot duty
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Bush=70% HB
McFadden=30% HB 70% Slot
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 23, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think DMC can be a great runner
If he turns out to really be injury prone, then we have a problem. But I think it’s too early to make that judgement. He’s just turned 22 years old. He was 20 years old in his first training camp. He gets a lot of flak, but he’s been very productive for a kid his age on a team not playing very well. I’ll bet he comes into camp next year 215-220 lbs, stronger, smarter. But I hear what you say, Bush definitely needs to run more and McFadden definitely needs to catch more.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bush CAN move to FB
but he wont. it was offered to him temprorarily last year and he didnt take it..
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DL vs LB?
I’m a little surprised more people want a DE than a LB. I think the line is headed up but we need some awareness and tackling behind them.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Our outside D is good - DEs and OLBs
It is the inside, DTs and MLB that need attention.
Overall our secondary is very good, caveat, LCB should be observed more closely. .
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you willing to take a MLB before a DT given this scenario ...
for instance, N. Suh and T. Cody are gone but Spikes or R. McClain or Eric Norwood are available – do we take one of them before the next good DT, e.g. an Odrick or an Austin?
Btw, I agree that ‘awareness’ is lacking in the middle
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Best available athlete"
At the needed positions: OL, LB, DT,
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's been the modus operandi and it fails as often as not
The ‘best athlete’ does not equal the ‘best football player’.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd want Tarvaris Jackson
Hopefully the Raiders will pursue Jackson. Him and Gradkowski would be really good for the team.
We need offensive linemen from the draft, since we didn’t draft any last time.
by RaiderFan_21 on Dec 23, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We picked up a Center on 12/17 Tim Mathran and a Tackle on 12/ 14 Elliot Vallejo
Also a Guard on 12/8 Brandon Rodd … so Cable (or Al more likely) is well aware of our OL issues.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think WR, and the D-line is the area we need to draft in,we should go young on the D-line,get 2 big run stoppers for the middle. And a burner on the outside(WR),I know thats what Heyward-Bay was drafted for but we need a burner wit in game speed not just a fast 40 time in the combine.We should fill up on free agent when it comes to the O line,some veteran guys up front…not old just used,some guys use to the Speed and Power of the NFL. Buy the way do Al ever read any of these post?
by DK Vader on Dec 23, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Al reads everything I write
and our WRs are good enough. The OL problem is being addressed but their remains a disconnect with regard to the middle – DTs and MLB. I long for a 3-4, but only with the right Nose … and as San Diego has shown we better have a good back-up Nose should he go down.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think great 3-4 Defenses are born
Out of having a great Nose tackle and the LB’s to get it done. Basically, your personnel should tell you you’re a real 3-4, not the other way around. I’d love to have that NT, but you got to play what you got.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have the personnel for 3-4
DEs – Ellis and Seymour
Nose – Bryant or Kelly
OLB – Howard and Scott
ILB – Morrison and Shaughnessy
SS – Branch
FS- Huff
RCB – Asomugha
LCB – Johnson
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 24, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or let Shaughnessy try Nose ...
and have Bryant at ILB
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 24, 2009 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaughnessy @ nose???
he’s 6’6", 253lbs, he could never play nose, doesn’t have the strength or leverage.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 24, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought shaughnessey was closer to 270?
still small for a nose but bryant has played both tackle and end in college and is at a 290 weight, maybe him at the nose spot?
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 24, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryant could play Nose, DE or ILB
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 24, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nose and ILB????
I’d have to say, I don’t think it’s possible for anybody to play nose and ILB. If you can play one, you can’t play the other. If you can play both, you can’t play either.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 3:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Said it many times, say it again
1st Round – Russell Okung, Bruce Campbell, Trent Williams
2nd Round – The Al Davis workout warriors – Carlos Dunlap, Brandon Spikes, Everson Griffith
3rd Round – Javon Snead or Tony Pike with 1st pick
3rd Round – (NE for Burrgess) George Selvie
4th Round – Best OG or DT
by Bud Light on Dec 23, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jevan Snead
I know he had a bad year, but I don’t think he will slip to the third round. Before this season, some talked about Snead as potentially the first quarterback drafted.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 23, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Tyson Alualu, Terrence Cody or Geral McCoy? Assuming the bomb (N.Suh) is taken
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's more about the middle line and a natural pass rush than anything defensively
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 23, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mcloy should still be there when we pick
and next to suh, we should snatch him
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 24, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
but if we miss McCoy (Bones) then do we go for Cody or Odrick?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 24, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those would be good picks
I’m leaning OL though
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if cable is back in 2010
would he influence al for a 1st round OT? hell al took gallery in the 1st, even though that failed i wonder if al knows a olineman is due in his draft rotation.
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt call Gallery a failure
He is our best lineman and was seriously mishandled early by the coaches.
With the 2nd overall pick you hope for a franchise LT but Gallery has settled into a pro bowl player albeit at LG.
Bring in a horse for a Tackle to team with Mario and Gallery to anchor the line for years, See above for that horse.
Yes – I think Cable gets 1 more W he will be back (which isnt a bad thing if he gets a real OC)
by Bud Light on Dec 23, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i would call gallery a failure
for what he was drafted for. OT. where is he now?OG i know since the change he has been our ancor on the oline, but he failed BADLY on the outside! you know our line needs work when it is ancored by a guard and not the center.
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was on his way, without his injuries this year
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 24, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone think raiders need a cornerback. I mean we have Nnamdi and Chris. After that we really dont have any depth, stanford routt isnt really that great anyway.
by buffonjr2 on Dec 23, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cornerback
We need to look at one in the draft at around the fifth round. Asomugha is the best, but Johnson and Routt are shaky. Plus, depth behind Johnson and Routt couldn’t hurt even if we couldn’t find one better than those two which would be hard to do in the fifth round.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 23, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they should
move DHB across the line and make him a corner. the way he drops balls he could be a hellofa pass defender with no picks LOL
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dat Is A Great Idea
If Winning Isn't Everthing, Why Do They Keep Score? - Vince Lombardi
by Rayder K on Dec 23, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heyward-Bey
He’d be worse than Chris Johnson.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 24, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hes the fastest guy on the field and probly wouldnt get beat by a receiver
id go with it. hes a shitty receiver anyways
by raiderfan4life on Dec 24, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus with his speed
he is decent in frame, 6-2 210, and the way he blocks as a reciever, he could jam and press stout recievers
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 24, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Years Draft
Looking at this years draft I would go defensive line first round,offensive line second.There will be some great lineman in the draft which will be a very deep.And I must agree with Budlight,Gallery is our best guy and anybody would have taken him 2nd when he came out.He may not be a left tackle but he is a great left guard and that is a good thing for The Raiders.By the way is 2010 a uncapped year?
by bayparkphil on Dec 23, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i never said that gallery
wasnt our best guy, i know he is, but the tackle position from college to the pros is apples and oranges, and right now we dont have much at the edges, and gallery was brought here to fill that spot. but atleast he converted to a very productive guard, hope his back is ok
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Mario is a decent tackle
I think we get a big boy stud to team with him and Gallery and we will have a good line. Even if Trent Williams is the pick and becomes a RT who turns out like Jammel Brown I would be estatic. Mario is doing fine.
That said Cornell Green, Eric Pears, etc need replacing and quick.
Lets get Campbell, Okung, or Williams !!!
by Bud Light on Dec 24, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but he has allowed 9
sacks thus far, i know some where russell own fault. but he did bounce back, after letting a rookie tea bag him all game against wash, and play good next to walker in denver. i think mario will bet better in years to come, but hes no super star right now
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 24, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we should get tarvaris.
I do like Carr and smith though. more so carr, than smith, simply because he has the leadership and more experience.
by patriotguy on Dec 23, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if we go back to a power blocking scheme
langston would work back out at tackle. his last 32 games in buff. he accounted for only 3.5 sacks and like 3 penalties. plus we know he can move some bodies on run blocks.
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 23, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what about
shawn hill, if alex smith pulls through at the end of the season and works out then they might be looking to trade shawn. he looked alright at the beginning of the season.
by raiderfan4life on Dec 24, 2009 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
no shawn hill
Even if your not a big proponent of the vertical game, it’s nice to have a QB that can throw the ball more than 10 yards
by The Cupcakes on Dec 24, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Cambell
I think hes a FA after this season..But it looks like he might get resigned..Plus, Id rather put money into resigning Bruce and Bush..Why waste money on a QB when we already have one..Bruce deserves a chance to start more than three games
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 24, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
right. no need to go insane on finding a QB, when Gradkowski already shows the potential to be an above average QB. We should sign our most important people first.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 26, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 2
put resources where they’ll do most good – both LINES and MLB
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell or Jackson
Jason Campbell all day. However, Tavaris or Carr, that’s a tough call. I wouldn’t mind either fighting it with Bruce. JR can also be in the mix if he renegotiates, if not, he’s too expensive to have around as a “I hope that he works hard and spends time on the playbook crap”. Nothing against Kirk Morrisson as a person, as I have said all year, he’s not a true MLB. We can do better in the middle and he can play outside need be. We need to draft linemen on both side of the ball. Please no more QB high picks; we’re incapable of developing QBs.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 25, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No to these QBs - Yes to MLB and (obviously) Yes to DTs and OT and OG (C?)
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 25, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd rather have what we have now?
than one of these guys? Gradkowski and Frye?
by The Cupcakes on Dec 25, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Gradkowsi is very underrated and I think he can lead us to 10+ wins in regular season.
I’m still evaluating Frye and looking forward to Sunday.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
we should get a versatile center in the draft. where he can play both center and guard. But a DT first.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 26, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely - but in after the 3rd round
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
With everything you said. I would take Campbell over all 3 QB’s I listed, I didn’t include him because I doubt he’ll be available. Of all QB’s available, I think these three would have the best chance of jump starting in Oakland.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 25, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt want any of those quarterbacks, they are all pretty terrible, especially David Carr
by mekanikal on Dec 25, 2009 7:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
people, all of a sudden we don't have a QB problem??
I know we’ve won a few games because we didn’t have TERRIBLE QB play, but really?Gradkowski NEEDS to play? Frye?
Gradkowski- 27-28 years old next year, 6 feet tall, cut by Tampa, Cleveland, St. louis. Hurt both knees. Very poor career number, mediocre this year.
I’d like to have him back to compete, but it’s crazy to say we’re ok at QB. These are the best Free Agents available, and all 3 would be a much needed upgrade.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 25, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why couldn't he work out?
Gannon was a journey man too, and look how he did.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 26, 2009 1:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could work
but to bank on it would be foolish. Other than wishful thinking, there is no reason to expect stellar play.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 3:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering
all the circumstances around him so far, I would call his play stellar. Another year under Hackett and actually being looked at as a viable option, Gradkowski can be just as good as Gannon. I think he would be worth the risk. I wasn’t just comparing him to Gannon on the fact they’re both journey men. I think Grad has the raw talent AND the desire to refine it.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 26, 2009 3:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just as good as Gannon?
Gannon was MVP.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your point is?
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 26, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As good as Gannon
is saying a lot.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So that means Gradkowski
can’t be? Gannon was a man just like Bruce is. And I said he COULD be just as good.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 26, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could
I’m just saying, aside from 1 Quarter of football, there’s nothing in his career to indicate that.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That 1 quarter v Pittsburgh was too good to be a fluke
Grad has had other good quarters – e.g. the 4th v Cincinnati
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grad's play was amazing
compared to what we had. But the organization has to improve our prospects at that position. Think of it this way, if grad were to start Week 1 for us next year, his career QB rating of 65.9 would be lower than any non rookie QB in the last 4 years. In a league that you need exceptional QB play to win, I don’t think we can afford to go on faith.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say 'good' I meant 'great'
This 66 rating is going to come way up once we reinforce the line and use our backs more effectively + the WRs are improving steadily. So it is not some blind faith here, but conviction based on the man’s deeds under the adverse circumstances he was working with.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
his knees are busted up. QB most important position in sports, can’t have so many question marks.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gannon's knees got beat up too
Gradkowski never had the pleasure of being kept around long enough on any team to actually get some good stats. I think he can stay in Oakland and do good. His question marks are less than Russell’s. Or is that what you’re shooting at here? You want Russell to be the man? The first half the Skins game he already had a torn MCL and he still put up half decent numbers and kept the game close.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 27, 2009 4:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Russell's too expensive
Unfortunately. It’s a shame to get nothing out of #1 pick, but if he doesn’t restructure, which he won’t, he’s got to go. That’s why we need to add another QB.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 27, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bruce is fine we are too
I watched Cambell have his 2nd best game of the season against us at the coliseum, he had 0 touchdowns and averaged 4 out of 7 completions – we had no pass rush and did not blitz him. Unless I’m mistaken, you’re basing your evaluation of Campell on one game, NO, where he had his best career performance. In four (active) seasons Campbell has a total of 12 TDs passing – BFD.
David Carr has played 8 seasons and has a grand total of 9 TDs; the four seasons he played all 16 games, Carr tallied an anemic 6 TDs – he’s thrown 1 TD since the 2006 season.
The others mentioned are on par with Carr or worse.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
campbell has 18 this year, am i missing something on your post sons?
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 26, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
carr has had 6 tds since 06, and has 9 rushing tds in his career
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 26, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL.com shows Carr having 1 TD this season and ...
6 TDs over this and the 2008 and 2009 seasons; so he averages 1 TD/ every 4 games
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me re Cambell, NFL.Com shows Cambell having 18
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
where are you getting your numbers??
they’re all wrong. Campbell has 53 career TD’s, 37 INT’s. Carr has 65. Both are far, far more accomplished than anyone on staff currently.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only going back 3 years. I am also not considering his performance in college
or High School
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You really need to look at the numbers
Jason Campbell: Career- 53 TD’s, 37 INT’s, 82.2 rating, 5 yrds/rush, led the NFL in INT% last year with 1.2%, 87 QB rating this year, 3200+ yards the last 2 years,
1st round pick, 6’5" 223 lbs, mobile
Tarvaris Jackson: Career- 539 Atts, 58.6% comp, 77.8 QB Rate, 21 TDs, 18 INTs, 5 rush TDs
Last 2+ years: 12 TD’s, 2 INT’s, 100+ QB Rate, 60+% comp, 8+ yards/att.
2nd round pick, 6’2" 226 lbs
Bruce Gradkowski: Career- 523 att, 53.3% comp, 16 TDs, 16 INTs, 65.9 QB rate,
This year: 3 TDs in final quarter of Steeler game, 80.6 QB rate (sub NFL average), 5 fumbles. 6’ 6th round pick
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gettting my stats off NFL.Com, Mr. Muffin, may I ask for your source?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Everywhere else…. You know this stuff is well documented, right? don’t get upset just because you threw out some bad numbers. But as far as stats go, I like Pro Football Reference.com
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, my muff man
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 26, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gannon>Gradkowski
Rich Gannon was a far, far more accomplished passer when we got him. Gruden targeted him specifically to lead the offense, he was brought here to start.
by The Cupcakes on Dec 26, 2009 2:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think
that w/ the extra work under Hackett and the fact he’d be looked as a viable option, Gradkowski could be just as good as Gannon. It’s true Gannon was more polished than Bruce is at the moment, but he’s willing to work on it.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 26, 2009 3:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bruce reminds me of
brees. im not saying he near as good but i always seen similarities with brees and garcia( small underdog guys that defied the odds) and i put bruce right there. i mean bruce tallied 9 tds in 11 games as a rook. on a shitty tampa team. they were 4-11 and bruce accounted for 3 of those wins. then he had a good year behind garcia and hackett learning, but this league is so F’ed up if a qb cant win right away the odds of keeping him are doomed, and i think he got over looked by cleve. and st. louis and all this did was make him a hungrier qb because he wants to win in this league as a number 1 qb. to me he has what it takes to be a winner and i would like to see him for a solid season, he became the reason we(and the team) have hope and believe we can win again, and this team is 90% youth!
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 26, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 26, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what does the +1 and +2 mean? thanks
by rodeosnake12 on Dec 27, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
it’s a game we play. You were supposed to reply +3 but now that’s an incomplete pass and we’ll have to start over on some other random comment…
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 27, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 27, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you liked that
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 6:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any college QB
Well, other than Russell, can trow or hand off behind a good line, and Bush, McFadden, and Fargas all showed they they can run when the line fills it’s assignments. Two key additions to the O-Line and maybe 1 good D lineman, like a fading Haynesworth (he’ll be cheap after all his attitude go him nowhere and eager to prove his worth) would really make the Raiders a threat on both sides of the ball.
by Joesickness on Dec 29, 2009 7:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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