Oakland Raiders Postgame Recap: Raiders 9, Browns 23

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Well-established that this was the last game the Raiders (5-9) had at winning back-to-back games this season, Oakland traveled to Cleveland to take on the Browns (3-11) in search of their first six-win season since the Super Bowl year of 2002. Yes, it has been that long. Locally, the Browns avoided their first blackout since 1985. Thankfully for us Raiders fans within the 75-mile radius of the damn blackout rule, this was a road game so we didn't have to worry about find an Internet stream. Anyway, let's see how the Raiders fared in this road test having won their last two away from Oakland.

Charlie Frye didn't look so sharp in his return to Cleveland today. [via a.espncdn.com]
First Quarter: Damn, yes, Gary Russell is still returning kicks; however, this one was downed in the end zone. Right off the bat, things went sour. On the second of the play, Charlie Frye was intercepted by David Bowens on a pass intended for Darren McFadden. Cleveland, with great field position inside the red zone, cashed in on the second play of the drive in part to a 17-yard touchdown run by Jerome Harrison. Stupid play-calling on the second drive led to a 51-yard punt from Shane Lechler wasn't returned for much by the dangerous Joshua Cribbs. Not choosing to run the ball, Frye's inept passing killed the drive. What's up with that, Tom? On the Browns' next possession, a 19-yard pass from Derek Anderson to Evan Moore combined with some nice Jerome Harrison runs set up an eventual 42-yard field goal from Phil Dawson. Cleveland had taken a 10-0 lead with just over eight minutes to play. On the next Oakland possession, the passes continued; however, this was a screen pass to McFadden so it was all good. Michael Bush had some nice runs, Chaz Schilens had a big 16-yard reception on third down and the Raiders looked to be moving the ball well. From the 16 yard line, Frye fired and hit Louis Murphy on the left side for a big gain; however, a holding penalty on Cornell Green negated that and then Langston Walker went down with an injury. He was carted off. An incomplete pass on third down brought out Sebastian Janikowski for a field goal. Of course, he nailed it and the lead was cut to 10-3. On the kickoff, Hiram Eugene nearly ended up with the ball. A short kick that was sort of wobbly, Eugene ran down and almost grabbed it at the 25 yard line. Jerome Harrison, who appears to be the do-it-all back, scooped it up. Injured on the play, he took the next two plays off. Chris Jennings, his replacement, was stopped for a five-yard loss by Tommy Kelly. On second down, a wildcat play designed for Cribbs was stopped cold by Matt Shaughnessy. On third down, Gerard Warren got in there and disrupted Anderson as well as Trevor Scott as a good pass rush marked the third consecutive negative play. A Reggie Hodges punt was returned for a small gain by Johnnie Lee Higgins, but the ball was near midfield. That didn't matter. A seven-yard run by Bush was followed up by an incomplete pass and a penalty on Chris Morris. A third down pass was incomplete intended for Murphy. A punt by Lechler returned for a few yards by Cribbs ended the quarter.

Sebastian Janikowski hit all three of his first half field goals. [via a.espncdn.com]
Second Quarter: The second quarter began with the Browns starting inside their 10 yard line. Basically, Cleveland couldn't get anything going. Punting from inside their own end zone, a fair catch interference combined with the already good field position put the Raiders at the opposition's 30 yard line. Moving down to the 11 yard line, a corner blitz by Mike Adams thwarted that drive. Janikowski's second field goal of the game cut it to a 10-6 score still in favor of the Browns. An offsides penalty on Tommy Kelly opened up the next drive for the Browns, and then Harrison ran for a six-yard first down. A second down sack credited to Kirk Morrison brought up third down, but the Browns managed to convert on pass to rookie Brian Robiskie out of nearby Ohio State. A first down tackle by Richard Seymour in the backfield then a good defensive play in the pass game by Thomas Howard brought up a third down and long that wasn't converted. Stanford Routt and Michael Huff were over there and the pass was incomplete. Shockingly, the Browns tried a fake; however, the Raiders had jumped offsides. Eugene left too early. The next time, it wasn't a fake. Instead, the punt was downed at the one yard line thanks to a nice play by Joshua Cribbs. A play-action fake and pass to Gary Russell went for 11 yards. Whew, breathing room is nice. Two plays later, the Raiders were looking at a third down needing three yards to convert. Zach Miller made his fourth grab of the game and picked up the first down. After a few yards on first down, Bush goes for about 10 yards on the left side on second down. After a timeout called by Frye, Morris committed his second penalty in relief for Walker at left guard. On first down and a mile, Frye was smacked by Matt Roth with a little help from David Bowens. A second run by Bush and a third down completed pass to Murphy wasn't enough. With the two-minute warning upon us, a punt awaited us after the commercial break. Lechler's punt was returned by Cribbs for a minimal gain; however, two penalties on Cleveland pushed the Browns back inside their 10 yard line. A couple of run plays by Harrison and then we had ourselves a personal foul penalty. A draw by Harrison led to a first down. A run play later, there were some more personal foul penalties. After offsetting penalties, Richard Seymour picked up a 15-yard penalty. Boy, there was an ugly scuffle after that one. After a pass was completed to Mohamed Massaquoi, Stanford Routt was ejected for a personal foul penalty. I have lost count as to how many personal foul penalties there have been in this quarter alone. Of course, all of that penalty yardage -- about 30 alone thanks to Seymour and Routt -- cost us seven points. Chris Johnson was beat by Massaquoi, who perhaps may have pushed off, and it resulted in six points. An extra point later, Cleveland had taken a 17-6 lead. After decent field position on the kickoff, two quick passes to Miller and McFadden each set up a 61-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski. Sebastian came through and nailed it, setting up a new career-high in the process. Still, Cleveland maintained a 17-9 lead going into halftime.

Jerome Harrison had another big day on the ground for Cleveland. [via a.espncdn.com]
Third Quarter: To start the second half, it wasn't Cribbs but rather Harrison returning the kick. It was a very good return into Oakland territory. Back-to-back Harrison runs led to a third down and Cribbs picked up 17 yards out of the wildcat formation. Three run plays later, the Browns couldn't get a first down. Phil Dawson came out and easily nailed a 33-yard field goal to give Cleveland a 20-9 lead early in the third quarter. Oakland had the ball back and needed points to stay in touch with Cleveland now. Chris Morris was whistled for his third penalty, but the Browns declined it. A short dump off to McFadden from Frye to avoid the blitz from the opposite worked really well. Frye, after starting 0-for-3, was now 11-for-17 at this point. Higgins broke Frye's streak of completions by dropping another easy pass. Goodness, was that Higgins or Darrius Heyward-Bey? A punt by Shane Lechler that took a bad bounce set up the Browns at the 27 yard line. A one-yard run by Harrison was followed up by another penalty on the Raiders, this one on William Joseph. A third down pass was completed to Massaquoi and Cleveland was in business. Michael Gaines than caught a 25-yard pass after a Cribbs run. On the very next play, Harrison danced into the end zone on the direct snap; however, an illegal block in the back penalty was called on Gaines and the touchdown didn't stand. Moving onward from the penalty, the Browns still managed to get it inside the five yard line on some more run plays. Then, on third down, Harrison coughed it up. The ball was loose and Greg Ellis grabbed it for the Raiders. Cleveland squandered a golden opportunity to put the game out of reach for good with that turnover. Oakland had possession with just under five minutes to go in the quarter. Frye started off hitting someone that can actually catch the ball and that's Chaz Schilens. A 20-yard gain gave the Raiders some room to breathe. McFadden, who only has 15 yards rushing at this point, carried it on first and then again on second down. Frye's third down pass was tipped at the line of scrimmage and the turnover led to nothing other than a Lechler punt. Good punt return coverage stopped Cribbs after a four-yard return. Jonathan Holland made the nice tackle. The Browns moved the ball some, but didn't get very far. A short completed pass on third down that was shy of the first down ended the third quarter.

The Raiders didn't deliver the final blow in this physical game despite two ejections. [via a.espncdn.com]
Fourth Quarter: Johnnie Lee Higgins called for a fair catch at around the 20 yard line to begin the fourth quarter. Higgins was involved on a big pass play down the right side and then McFadden ran on a toss to the left side for about eight yards. A few plays later, McFadden reaches for an 11-yard pass and hauls it in. A second sack (although credited with 1.5) by Matt Roth, this one for 10 yards, took some momentum away. The next play, however, killed it all. Looking for Higgins on the left side, Brandon McDonald jumped it and picked off Frye. It was Charlie's second pick of the game. At this point, I don't even care. I see that Johnson's pass interference against Massaquoi was the 10th penalty of a grand total of 100 yards. That's the way to be a disciplined team, guys. Dang, this Browns crowd is a little harsh. An incomplete pass with their team up by 11 points with just over nine minutes to play and they're still booing! They're already in field goal range with a chance to make this a two-touchdown game. Harrison continues to run the ball well, but the Browns are short on third down. Instead of three points, they elect to go for it; however, after a late audible, it appears as if Cleveland tried to draw Oakland offsides. Hell, you can't blame them. A timeout was called, Dawson came out and nailed his third field goal of the game. The Browns now had a 23-9 lead over the Raiders with 8:31 to play. On the kickoff, Tony Stewart made unnecessary contact with the official and was ejected. That brings the Oakland total to two players! Moving the ball through the air, Frye found Schilens, Watkins and Miller. A stupid penalty on Miller that was incorrectly called moved the ball back 15 yards after a big-time gain. Another target got into the act on the drive as Murphy made a nice third down catch. A pass interference penalty later on put the ball at the two yard line. An incomplete pass intended for Schilens and then an awkward-looking play that was ruled an incomplete pass brought up third down. With the rain and snow mix coming down, Eric Wright made a nice play in the end zone with an interception; however, it appeared that Wright only had one foot within the boundary line. Tom Cable challenged the play and successfully won the challenge. So, instead, it's fourth down and the Raiders needed two yards. Once again, it's a shot gun for a fourth consecutive play. Frye looked to go to Murphy on the right side and he did. The pass was incomplete, but there was a penalty marker down. Murphy committed offensive pass interference. It was declined and Cleveland had it. Chewing up minimal clock, the Browns punted back to the Raiders. A completed pass to Schilens and then a big play to Miller led to Marcel Reece making his first catch of the game. Wait, he's still on the roster? Anyway, some guy who shouldn't be on the roster next year tossed his third interception of the game. Cleveland milked some clock, punted it back to Oakland and then the game was over after some meaningless plays.

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The Report Card: I'll give grades to the pass offense, rush offense, pass defense, rush defense and special teams. Of course, you're welcome to give your own grades in the comments.
- Pass Offense: D+ -- Yeah, Frye was pretty damn bad. Sure, all of those yards look good; however, there was really nothing established in terms of rhythm and ball movement. Three interceptions and low completion percentage earns you this type of a grade.
- Rush Offense: C -- It's hard to grade this. Bush's 10 carries led the team. McFadden wasn't really effective, but Frye was able to scramble. Overall, I think it was pretty average even though we didn't really get a good look at it.
- Pass Defense: A- -- Anderson's completion percentage was even worse than Frye's. He didn't throw pick, but wasn't really effective. Other than that last two-minute drive thanks to 30 penalty yards unrelated to pass defense, the pass defense was pretty good.
- Rush Defense: D -- Harrison had a big game and Cribbs was effective out of the wildcat formation. There really isn't much more that can be said here.
- Special Teams: B+ -- Everything was very nice except for Lechler's bad day. He only averaged 44.2 yards per punt today, so he finally had a bad today. It happens. The coverage was nice against Cribbs and Janikowski was marvelous. Letting Harrison through was just a minor hiccup in an overall pretty solid performance.
My Thoughts and Tidbits: The inconsistency continues. The same team with wins against Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Denver has losses to Kansas City, Washington and Cleveland. Well, gang, it is what it is. With one more game left, we're taking on Baltimore next week with those guys fighting for a playoff spot. It's just pretty much looking ahead to next season now. Enjoy the holiday season, guys.
Postgame Links:
- San Francisco Chronicle: No one to blame but themselves [David White]
- San Francisco Chronicle: Janikowski nails 61-yard field goal [David White]
- Inside Bay Area: Error-prone Oakland Raiders beaten by Cleveland Browns [Steve Corkran]
- Inside Bay Area: Oakland Raiders fail to win two in row again, falling to Cleveland Browns [Steve Corkran]
- Inside Bay Area: Plenty of blame to share for latest Oakland Raiders' loss [Cam Inman]
- Inside Bay Area: Final: Browns 23, Raiders 9 [Jerry McDonald]
- Raider Beat: RAIDERS FOUL PLAY STINKS UP CLEVELAND [Paul Wexler]
- The Associated Press: Harrison leads Browns to 3rd straight win [Tom Withers]
- Comcast SportsNet: Raiders put on ice in Cleveland, lose 23-9 [Comcast SportsNet]
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Once again, I can't read your (I'm sure) excellent recap
Must forget this game ever happened.
@worldblee on Twitter.
Frye must sit
and leave next year. Next week start Losman. Next year compete Losman, Bruce, and JR. Or cut JR and go after a veteran. Cable needs to go back to o-line or go away.
I’m convinced more than ever that Davis meddled w/ the defense because Ryan blitzed like a mad man.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
My last comment on this epic disaster
Despite all the earlier failures, the Raiders had a legitimate chance to make a run at winning the game. They needed two touchdowns, and they had the ball 1st and goal at the 3 yard line with plenty of time to play.
Michael Bush had 10 carries for 52 yards, averaging over 5 per carry.
Charlie Frye had been shaky at best.
Tom Cable ran 4 pass plays in a row.
I don’t think anything else needs be said.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
And kudos to you, Raider R
For putting this much good work into such a miserable failure of a game.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
*Rated-R
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
Thanks
I really didn’t enjoy it too much.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't either
3 interceptions is inexcuseable, along with the sacks. It was like the trenches were horrible today.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 27, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
This Raider team is too schizo to watch
Hopefully next week is a blackout so we can all enjoy the finer things in life, and 2010. Happy New Year dudes.
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Don't worry you guys.
We will win against Baltimore next week. Remember, we lose to the worst, only beat the best the following week.
I don't know about all that especally after last year
just think about what the ravens Defense can do against us
Example
Defeated: Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Denver
Defeated by: Kansas City, Washington, Cleveland
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
This season was over since that Giants game.
It was nice to see Gradkowski do some things but with him injured, I don’t see good things against Baltimore. Realistically anyways.
Either way GO RAIDERS!!
Tommy Kelly's ass won us that game against Denver!
exactly
i didn’t even bother watching much of this game…i want them to eliminate the Ravens next week so i am glad Baltimore lost so now we have that chance next week
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 27, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
It's like everyone gets the blame
At times, I wish we had a coach like Singletary.
Singletary would not dare stand for shit like this.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 27, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
its sad to this inconsistency
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 27, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Like the Browns…number one trait of a bad football team…inconsistency.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
The Rams are pretty consistent, though. Their only win is against a 2-13 Lions team.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
I look forward to the day when the raiders don't fuck my day up
by oaklanddave on Dec 27, 2009 1:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
you'll be seeing recaps and lowlites all day man
better not watch ANY sports TV or local news at all.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Have snow to shovel
and got some DVD’s for Christmas. Pretty sure the wife wouldn’t mind hanging on the couch watching a few movies with me. Of course I’ll have to stop muttering about this f’n joke of a game today. She doesn’t like a surly Rusty.
why did we cut garcia??
i knew this shit was gonna happen.
fucking raiders.
i started actually hoping frye would get hurt again and russell would come in
Garcia
He wanted to leave and you could argue that was outperformed by both Gradkowski and Frye in the preseason.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Garcia...
wouldn’t be the leader that Bruce looks like he is. >_>
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 27, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
usually when the raiders lose
I go for whoever plays the 9ers to make me happy… but they’re playin detriot so…..
by oaklanddave on Dec 27, 2009 1:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
raider coach a liar
i like how the coach of the raider says they are gonna kick to cribbs. did not happen . because they were scared
We just
did not kick it off..because Frye was busy throwing BAD PASSES. >_<"
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 27, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Wrong
We did kick it to him and he really did nothing.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
no you did not
open your eyes and watch the game if they would have kicked to him then why did harrison have to dive on the ball and run one
rock bottom...again
I’m sorry but the lows this year have been too low; the blowout against the Giants, the first Broncos game in Oakland, the nightmare against the Jets and now losing to one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen; the 2009 Cleveland Browns. This is on top of season after season of misery since 2003 – I saw STUPID football played today and that is inexcusable. It’s mostly Al Davis’s fault so we’ll just have to wait for him to die and start from there.
losing to one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen; the 2009 Cleveland Browns.
Uh…the browns, winners of 3 straight? I love how teams keep saying that week after week. We lost to the Browns?!?
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
You’re right. The Browns are a Juggernaut.
I never said that. Not at all.
Sry.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
you should lighten up ... especially after a win
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 27, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
It's like the same thing with us.
Teams are surprised to lose to us as well. It’s just a mater of who plays better, doesn’t matter if a team is the worst team. Whoever played better deserved the win. Period.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 27, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Al Davis is not to blame - unless you give him credit for Phili, Cinci & Denver
Cable is a joke and called a piss poor game. He used his resources horribly. He did not run Bush anywhere close to what he should have (only 10 times when MB was averaging over 5yd/c), his obsession with throwing the ball in 2nd & 3rd “and 2” situations, his idiotic use of DMF, his inability to replace players unless they are carried off the field or thrown out of the game (b/c he hasn’t instilled any discipline in this team whatsoever). If you hold Al responsible for the season b/c of Cable, then I suppose you have a point. But your discontent is probably shared by Al many times over b/c he put his faith in two very undeserving men – Cable and Russell.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 27, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
You're going to deny that disciplining players is shunned by Davis?
Have you listened even 1 player that has left this horribly mismanaged team? I agree with you most of the time but putting the blame solely on Cable is wrong. Who controls this roster? Why is there a man on the roster (Nick Miller) who will probably not even take the field for one play this year? Who traded for one of your favorite whipping boys, Richard Seymour? So Al’s only fault is hiring Cable and drafting Russell? Cable called a piss poor game, this is true but when we replace him we’ll have the same problems.
Loss on Frye not Cable
3 RZ interceptions I think? I will have to watch the game on rewind. So much for all the talk about how Frye learned from Holmgren.
So much for all the talk about how Frye learned from Holmgren.
Who says this?
And yes the bad passes fall on Frye, but who’s calling the plays? Especially knowing the QB is far from completely healthy after a concussion last week. We abandoned the run again.Cable takes blame for this game too. But there’s plenty to go around. Ask Routt. Unnecessary head butting indeed.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
endless second and short, third and short opportunities, a couple from inside the five
and no attempts on the ground.
Fire Tom’s fat ass, yesterday. Asinine play calling, and fire Frye, too. He could’ve tucked it away a couple of those times instead of trying to force it into coverage.
Mike, you might have a point about his being recently concussed, yet another reason we should be crucifying Cable for starting him. Losman would’ve given us our best shot.
tom cable
needs an OC, not be fired
the raiders need stability.
i was wishin russell would go in in the 4th.
thats how tired of frye i became
by raiderfan4life on Dec 27, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I was pretty much referring to his role as play caller
I agree about the stability. I think a small part of me wanted Jamarcus Bustle to play for a nanosecond.
Actually I would assert that one of ‘the worst teams you’ve ever seen,’ actually beat you…
So, you would have won had you played ‘smart’ football, instead? C’mon.
It’s mostly Al Davis’s fault so we’ll just have to wait for him to die
Nice. Because football is so important that it’s better for Davis to die so you can watch decent football on Sunday. He never did much for this franchise anyways…lol. i admit it’s time to go, but…well, it is his team, so you’re gonna just have to wait I guess….
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
that was not representative of the Raider Nation
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 27, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
that was not representative of the Raider Nation
I know.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Anways, not over here to troll, my uncle played for the raiders back in the early 70’s…so I do have some affinity for them..
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I suppose I will ‘troll’ one time in declaring you an idiot for talking about ‘waiting for Davis to die.’
Other than that, I don’t think I am. I don’t think many Raiders fans agree with you. anyways.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
So…how am I trolling…to be exact? Care to give concrete examples?
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Really! What's his name?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 27, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Cut and Paste from below:
His name was Eric Stolberg WR from Indiana. Selection 440 in the 1970 Draft. Played on the only Indiana team to go to the Rose Bowl. And lose to USC (and O.J….lol)
He was great in college but numerous knee surgeries lead to him being cut shortly and then on to the Pats before being cut for good. There were a few 70’s Raiders at his wedding in the early 90’s, though…that was cool as hell.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Same year they picked up Raymond Chester and Gerald Irons
to bad about the knees – with medicine today he’d have a shot at being patched together
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yup. Knee injuries were often complicated worse by measures taken in the past
which totally sucks for a lot of those guys. It’s often overlooked at how much medicine progresses due to contributions from how much time, money, and talent are invested in maintaining and rehabilitating health on the teams in the NFL.
I would’ve been, but a twinkle in my father’s eye at the time he was drafted, but always good to have someone who’s had Raider history in the family, regardless, visit the site.
you sir, are a douchebag, and profess your lack of football knowledge by saying he never did anything for the franchise
The Browns would not be the franchise they are today, nor would football, were it not for Al Davis.
Stay on your own site, troll.
He never did much for this franchise anyways…lol.
Notice the sarcasm with the ‘lol’?
Nope, You didn’t .
Next. (sigh)
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
no, your sarcasm doesn't bleed through your obvious penchant for lame-brained replies
Sorry for being unable to see through your douchebaggery. We know Al is the thorn in the organizations’ side, but most of us do not look forward to his death, nor are we sure it will usher in immediate success. It’s a touchy subject for Raiders’ fans, especially when we give games away, like we did today.
I actually think Mike Holmgren is a great move for the Browns, and Mangini will soon be kicked to the curb.
…SO say thank you when I defend your opinion instead of being, as you say, a diuchebag. Please enlighten me as to my douchebag responses. What have I said isn’t true? Stop making generalizations and answer the f*cking question.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
I was explaining that I didn't read your sarcasm, and if you truly were being sarcastic
then the insult should be moot. As I said, Al is a touchy subject, even amongst the die-hard Raider nation with one another, but even moreso when we lose games we feel we shoud win because we find ourselves missing a key ingredient or two that is a reality of today’s organization and the man behind it all.
If I jumped to an incorrect conclusion, then forgive me for doing so.
Might I ask, by the way, who was the Uncle that played for the Silver and Black?
His name was Eric Stolberg WR from Indiana. Selection 440 in the 1970 Draft. Played on the only Indiana team to go to the Rose Bowl. And lose to USC (an O.J….lol)
He was great in college but numerous knee surgeries lead to him being cut shortly and then on to the Pats begore being cut for good. There were a few 70’s Raiders at his wedding in the early 90’s, though…that was cool as hell.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ejections
As you know, both Stanford Routt and Tony Stewart were ejected today. Elsewhere, Broncos wide receiver Brandon Stokley was ejected for touching an official against the Eagles.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions
I wish they would have showed exactly why Stewart was ejected. A call like intentional contact with a ref deserves some scrutiny…to say the least.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
how bad r the browns?
I saw highlights and read about every Browns game before their current winning streak and I think that in that 10-11 game stretch they were definitely a nominee for one of the worst teams.
Yes they definitely were.
They’re still not good, obviously. Not even close. But for some reason Ryan seems to be calling great games with sub-average defenders. The addition of Matt Roth has helped significantly. Also, Jamal Lewis being deactivated is really what has made all the difference. The Browns really don’t have a bad line at all…they run the ball well (at least, lately)…but Harrison gives us the ability to hit the hole quickly. Lewis, while strong, couldn’t get past the line of scrimmage.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
well I've been trying to get my mind off of losing to the browns.....
but I can’t!!!!! guess ima have to smoke this one away… where’s my swisher…
by oaklanddave on Dec 27, 2009 2:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Located

I miss him, too.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
hahahaha good one!! +100000000
by oaklanddave on Dec 27, 2009 3:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Players play but
Coaches call the plays! Minus Fryes Jamarcus Russell impersonation (3 picks). Cable is responsible for this loss a much as the players were…Poor clock manangement closing the 1st half…. Abandoning the run game… Relying on the defense and the qb to keep us in the game… I don’t want to get rid of cable and his staff, but I think it would be for the best.
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by gogomaplata on Dec 27, 2009 3:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Cable
It’s not really him and his staff. It’s really Davis’ staff. Cable sucks at calling the plays and he shouldn’t be calling them next season. It’s that simple.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
4 straight pass plays
inside the 10? WTF! Mix up the play calling!!! Is it like talking about kicking to cribbs and then not kicking to him on gameday
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by gogomaplata on Dec 27, 2009 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cable
He needs to leave, Bush deserves more than 10 carries. I didnt wath the game, but from what Im seeing, it wasn’t pretty. And Jerome Harrison didnt have a huge game, If you have almost 40 Carries, you need more than 135 Yds, Just my opinion
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Harrison
He had a huge game simply because of those 138 yards and a touchdown. Don’t let those 39 carries put you off. Keep in mind that they were milking the clock a lot and Harrison was stopped since everyone knew the run was coming since the milking of the clock was in effect. He broke off some big gains throughout the game. He got off to a fast start and was contained at times in the middle quarters. Still, I think 138 yards and a touchdown is a huge game.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
I didnt watch the game
I was basing my opinion of ESPN stats
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Wait. you talk about Bush deserving more than 10 carries…which is probably true. But then discredit amount of carries by Harrison based on yards gained.
So, Which is it?
You allow a team to use their feature back 40 times and gain 135 yds. That’s a big game. Bush runs 40 times for 135 we’re talking about a Raiders win here.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
You are welcome here, johnnyphoenix and I hope we both get the coaches we need soon
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 27, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Do you guys really think Cable is gone for sure? I thought it was a forgone conclusion earlier this season like Mangustus Gloop…Suppose with Al it’s really impossible to tell.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 27, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
nothing's certain in this madhouse
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 6:36 AM PST up reply actions
way to go cable!
way to give bush one fuckin hand off in the 2nd half!! way to have frye drop back 50 times to your 17 called running plays! your a fuckin liar to us and way to call a timeout when our D was fighting and you just let them get 45 free yard on us before the half, dont use a T.O. to get your guys settled, fuck it let them stay outhere to get the fuckin shaft. fryes 3 picks were inexcusable but cable put that guy in those situations, fresh of the bench and a concussion, lets not run the ball at all. nice coach we have, he cant even succed as a oline coach!
atleast frye
got us in the red 4 fuckin times, something russell does in 3 games combined. but frye sucked my ass today even with his 333 in the air and 2 decent runs.
uh
you do realize almost each time we were in the RZ he got picked off right?
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We were behind 10 points in the first quarter and everyone wants to run?
If Frye hadn’t thrown interceptions we wouldn’t be complaining about the game plan. 300+ yards passing makes up for the lack of touches for Bush. All this talk about how Frye is a coach and how he helps the offense plan – bullshit obviously.
Regardless, they were only down two scores with two quarters to go. RZ interceptions are not excusable. I can’t blame Cable for this. All on Frye without a doubt.
If Frye hadn’t thrown interceptions we wouldn’t be complaining about the game plan.
It’s a constant complaint on here. Even when we win we still bitch that Bush is under used and other people bitch McFadden is being used incorrectly.
All this talk about how Frye is a coach and how he helps the offense plan – bullshit obviously.
Post a link where that’s been said.
I can’t blame Cable for this. All on Frye without a doubt.
Yup. Bad throws by Frye no doubt. Stupid play calling? Definitely. Especially when we’re on the 2 yard line with Bush as a RB.
Now, the original parent comment was about Frye still being better than Russell. So are you trolling me or trolling him and hinting that Russell is the second coming of Culpepper?
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what about fake handoffs to Bush, naked boots, PA FB options?
RZ calling didn’t address all the problems we’ve been having. Suspect pass blocking, a possibly not 100% qb, dropped key passes, a pushing off call? He fucking dropped it anyway!
Seems only Bruce can understand how to operate this pass offense.
I'm not saying Frye was innocent.
I think he needs to sit back down and shouldn’t be around next year. I just think also some of the play calling was just incredibly stupid and Cable looked way out of his league today.
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part of me is actually thinking
that he’s still a little foggy from last week’s drill to the head. But this game was horrible all around. No way pass calls should have been called on the 2 yard line. Or even when we started on Cleveland’s 30. It’s not all Frye’s fault. He was probably our best viable QB for the game, which doesn’t say much.
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But Janikowski
hit one for the record books.
Fourth longest in NFL history.
I bet you can hit a 67 yarder given the right conditions.
lol @ everyone blaming Frye for the lost
Give the guy a break he’s only a third string it’s not like he’s only be the next tom brady in the broken Raider System. The whole Team looked worthless especially the Defense in this game. Seems funny to me that we give up HUGE plays but yet never any luck breaks. Big players like Seymour and Asomugha are pretty much there for the $$$ they haven’t really proven anything to this team if you ask me.
… Asomugha are pretty much there for the $$$ they haven’t really proven anything to this team if you ask me.
Yeah, his stats may be down, but that’s cuz no one throws to him. Seymour has made some plays here and there, probably not as much as he should though. But Asomugha is probably one of the best corners in the league.
Our Defense in this game didn’t really look worthless til they fell apart and started to heat butt people. But they were stuffing pretty good. It was the worthless play calling and the fact (giving him the benefit of the doubt) Frye still hadn’t fully recuperated.
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Laughable
To say Asomugha hasn’t proven anything is stupid. The guy basically shuts down his side of the field. He’s rarely ever thrown to. He even makes tackles in the run game. That’s the mark of a great corner.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
you should take back the negative remark about Asomugha, you'll lose credibility if you don't
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 27, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Credibility
It’s too late for him, I think.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 27, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
plus he says we gave up HUGE plays this game, um 2 plays over 20 yards
our best in the HUGE department this year

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