Take Your Pick: Quarterback Edition
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 3:42 PM PST
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Stability at the quarterback position has been lacking without Bruce Gradkowski. [via cdn1.sbnation.com]
Since Bruce Gradkowski's MCL injuries, the questions concerning the quarterback position have been about who will be the starting quarterback: Charlie Frye or JaMarcus Russell? Yes, J.P. Losman is also on the roster; however, you'd think that the guy hasn't been around long enough to really get to know the plays. Does that stop you from wanting him as the quarterback this Sunday? After Russell led the comeback to lead the Oakland Raiders over the Denver Broncos a few Sunday's ago and after Frye's porous performance against the lowly Browns, there is a question that has to be asked in my opinion. Who is the starting quarterback for the final game of the 2009-2010 season: Charlie Frye, J.P. Losman or JaMarcus Russell?
Cast your vote on the poll after hitting the jump.
Really, the best cases for each quarterback are arguments against the others.
Charlie Frye was roughed up this past Sunday by the Cleveland Browns. [via cdn3.sbnation.com]
Charlie Frye's name really started to surface at a high rate once Bruce Gradkowski went down with those MCL injuries. After JaMarcus Russell's struggles against the Washington Redskins, most of us wanted to see Charlie Frye under center for the game against the Broncos. Since it wasn't Russell, we were at least content with Frye back there. Now, in light of Frye's performance against the Browns this past Sunday, is Frye really the best quarterback? Obviously, he didn't really prove his worth. Well, maybe he did prove it. He proved that he really isn't anything more than a backup at best.
Formerly of the Buffalo Bills, J.P. Losman is back in the National Football League. [via www.thestencil.com]
Recently signed, J.P. Losman is sitting as the third quarterback on the depth chart. Signed on December 15, Losman went 0-for-1 appearing in a game against the Broncos due to injuries suffered by both Charlie Frye and JaMarcus Russell before him. We really didn't get a good look at Losman since he played one snap. Since Losman has only been with the team for about two weeks, how much of the playbook does he really know? Does that matter? The ineptitude surrounding him might make him the quarterback by default.
That's one man that certainly doesn't need an introduction. [via www3.pictures.zimbio.com]
Now, we're onto the conundrum that is JaMarcus Russell. I'll spare you the details of this season concerning Russell. Of the healthy quarterbacks, Russell is the hottest having gone 5-for-11 with a game-winning drive against the Broncos. We know how highly unsuccessful he was before that, but in 40 percent of our wins this season it has been Russell leading a comeback drive on the road. This revolving quarterback thing might have it seeing calling Russell's name next. If JaMarcus is in fact the starting quarterback this Sunday, it would only be natural if he had a good game to really throw a wrench into next year's quarterback situation, right? Personally and honestly, I'd give Russell my vote.
Take your pick and choose wisely, nation.
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I'm going to pick Frye here....but
it’s not like either of the choices are real good.
Charlie Frye may still give us a better shot. Maybe he was still foggy and this week he can recover some more…
Losman was signed to be an emergency back up and we have first dibs on signing him next year. I think he was brought in for that reason and at least QB will be leaving us. Who that is? Well after this last game…it could be any of them.
Russell starting against Baltimore for an entire game? Yeah well he had that come from behind that the Defense and the rush already had set up for him. He didn’t play the entire game to it was minimal sack/fumble damage. To give him an entire hour? Well I don’t think he can do it. I don’t think he can ever do it.
Disclaimer: The above comment is my opinion and my opinion alone. I speak only for myself.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
edit
at least 1 QB will be leaving us.
Disclaimer: The above comment is my opinion and my opinion alone. I speak only for myself.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
losman
i’d like to see what he’s got.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 28, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Losman
I think we should cut frye after this year..Let Losman show if he has what it takes to be a back up behind Bruce
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 28, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So far the saddest thing
is Losman is the biggest choice here. Have we all really lost that much confidence in Russell?
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Confidence
After leading the comeback against the Broncos, I am actually more confident in Russell than I am in Losman since I don’t think Losman has all that great of a grasp of the offense since he has been here for about two weeks.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JR
He had nothing to do with that comeback…The stellar D and succesful Running game won it, JR just happened to be in..I voted JP
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 28, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Russell
He played a big part in the comeback. He made a really nice throw to Stewart on fourth down after avoiding a sack twice and then to Schilens twice that includes the game-winner.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
that was in less than a quarter of of playing. It’s not enough proof to say he could handle a whole game. All he has to do is get a little rattled early in the game and it’s over.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
However, like I said in the post, I think Russell has a little momentum and confidence going. I think he has more of that than Frye and Losman. If Russell starts off bad, just make the change.
In the end, it just really goes to show how bad our quarterback situation is.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you could argue he had that momentum after the KC
win and Eagles win too
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That momentum alone isn’t why I think he should be the starter this Sunday. Coupled with Frye’s bad performance against the Browns, I think Russell should start.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Russell's a lost cause
and putting him against a team w/ actual playoff hopes is going to kill him.
A small part of me is hoping Frye was still slightly scrambled. I think if we were really going to seriously contemplate Russell, he would have went in last week after seeing that Frye was doing oh so horrible. But nothing this coach staff does will surprise me.
I think Russell would have done just as bad against Cleveland, but with no excuse. I think Frye may have still had a lingering concussion. I’m curious how he does on a week where he can maybe think straight and actually plan for the entire week.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Frye
I think he’s just as much of a lost cause.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there's a good chance of that
especially since Bruce was 2nd string over him (I like Bruce, I mean that he out played him and Frye was 3rd for a reason). So I dunno. I guess we’ll find out by Wednesday.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted Russell
But I want to know why “taking my own life” is not an option.
by KarstenDD on Dec 28, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Voted for JP but expect Russell to start
I haven’t smelled any airplane glue lately, so I’m not in shape to guess what Cable will do but something astonishingly inept for certain.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I also voted JRuss
personally hate the guy but Frye or Losman most likely wont be back so we may as well see what the guy can (most likely can’t) do.
I would love to see what the Ravens want for Troy Smith and if it is minimal grab him for next year.
Let Grad, Smith, JMiss, and hopefully Javon Snead battle it out for the 3 spots next year. Only one guaranteed a spot would be Snead IMO
by Bud Light on Dec 28, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That would be 3
Decent QB’s..I say, Resign Bruce and JP Losman..Let Bruce start under a filled out and healthy roster
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 28, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JP will probably be back
see if we just wanted an emergency QB when we benched Russell, we could have signed from the practice squad. By signing Losman we have first crack at him next year. There’s also speculation, and it’s speculation only, that Fassel may now be coming to town.
But as it stands no QB is safe. It would make sense to resign Bruce and Losman as backup or let them both compete for the start. Pretty good chance Frye played his way out of town unless he starts Sunday and we beat Baltimore.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also voted for Russell for the same reason
It may/should be his last chance to show whether he’s learned anything by sitting these last few weeks. If he’s the incompetent QB he was been earlier in the year, then maybe Raiders brass won’t be so hesitent to cut him and swallow the loss that his contract represents. On the other hand, as RRS pointed out, if Russell does well, then Al Davis might once again see Russell as the QB to take the Raiders to the promised land. Davis will fire Cable (which should probably be done regardless of the QB situation) and go looking for a coach he believes can bring out the best in Russell. Well, Russell doing well against a team fighting for its playoff life is a long shot, so there’s probably nothing to worry about there.
by guapobob on Dec 28, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
If Russell had a great game would that effect Cable’s status?
If it came down between Russell and Cable – if only one of them would definitely be jettisoned – as distasteful as it is, I would keep Russell, b/c I believe Cable can do more damage as HC than JMR can do as backup QB.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can i
hop on u bandwaron this week
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
by j-man on Dec 28, 2009 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
which one
this post isn’t exaclty about jumping on a bandwagon. Unless you mean him voting for Russell, which is of course his choice and it’s a logical choice I suppose.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I don’t think it will matter, though, because I don’t think the Broncos will make the playoffs.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 28, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
vaild point
but if denver wins we need heip form someone either u miami houton or ciny i agree with u i think denver miss the playoffs but if u were 8-7 and den was 5-10 i wouild try to win anyway
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
by j-man on Dec 28, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since a win is virtually meaningless at this point for us
but a loss all but knocks the Broncos out of the playoffs, my vote is for JaGantus Russell.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Dec 28, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i voted for
frve
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
by j-man on Dec 28, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
check this
by Spirals galore on Dec 28, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's so full of shit
It’s painful to finish his interviews…
by brhynno on Dec 28, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...and this (clarification--Cable on why he's starting Frye rather than JR)
by Spirals galore on Dec 28, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
-Q: When you say he has choices to make, it seems to imply he has to make better choices than what he has made. What are those choices?
-CABLE: I think it’s pretty clear what he has to do. He has to learn how to take care of business on a daily basis consistently and prepare himself and take care of his development as a quarterback.
We’d be here forever to discuss all those things. There’s a lot of them, but all the great ones have that, and you want to impress upon him to become that.
This blog was posted on the 28th. Interesting he’s saying the same thing about Russell.
And also in the blog it’s been stated Frye will be starting again. So, umm, well I don’t know. I stand by my vote, but RRS you have valid points.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
woops replied to the wrong link. But still valid.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's official - Cable is insane
Press Democrat.com
-Q: What did you do exceptionally?
-CABLE: “I think I managed it as well as you can under the circumstances and what goes into the decision making, the opportunities to score points and do things throughout games. Certainly in game management. I hear a lot of compliments from others that way, feel like that’s a strength and I do that well.”
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well what did you expect him to say
“I suck. I fucked it all up. Please no other team ever hire me.” ?
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 28, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, he'd do better to say nothing, or something closer to the truth
Cable, "Certainly in game management. I hear a lot of compliments from others that way, feel like that’s a strength and I do that well."
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair,
during the same conversation he admitted that he has made bad calls, or didn’t run the ball enough. He didn’t just say that he always calls a good game, or didn’t make some mistakes. It was a free wheeling conversation in which he said “everyone is to blame for the bad performances this year.” Of much more interest is whether he will weather the storm that is sure to come in the off season. Al cannot be happy and is he going to blame the coaches for the Russell fiasco, or is he going to acknowledge that Russell is not committed to being a good QB. Does Al think that Bush is misused or does he agree with running McFadden into the line 10 times a game?. Even though Cable said he was sure to be back I am not so sure. I wouldn’t expect Cable to say anything else, he is a loyal trooper.
by Laoren on Dec 28, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just bad
You quoted Cable saying: "everyone is to blame for the bad performances this year." Do you find that a responsible remark to the press? I find it extremely weak. It splatters the blame unfairly – probably in the hope it gets diffused – how can he (or you) say to Branch, Gradkowski, Huff, Howard, Scott, Miller, Ellis, and Asomugha that they are equally to blame?! You, seem to think such a pathetic, drag everyone down with me, response is meritorious – It’s a new low for this person.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He did achieve new lows in this interview
I will give him some credit for maintaining the teams faith in him through tough times. He had bad answers, period. A better coach, one who addresses his shortcomings with actions, could reflect more on what he did to fix things and not making the same mistakes twice.
His inability to call the right plays should have been addressed a long time ago, by not giving him the responsibility, maybe?
by brhynno on Dec 30, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he wasn't clear.
what he’s trying to say that its a team effort. and as a team, they performed bad this year.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 30, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we blind? Do hackneyed cliches spewing from this jacko-lantern say anything?
Does your mechanic look at your engine and say it just fails as a motor? Or does he find and fix the broken part?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 30, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
first of all(i know what your saying but....)
motors don’t compete with other motors
motors have certain parts that do certain things, and does not change. A team does certain things, but their play mood and the way they play each week is different(which shows the contrast between human beings and machines).
Football requires team effort, and if they don’t play like a team(building morale, working with each other more like the o-line discussing what they should do to improve on the next play(which the coaches should help do as well), etc(you get the point)), they lose as a team.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 31, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cable is the mechanic or tuner in this analogy
when the engine’s running too lean he’s supposed to give it more gas, if it’s out of tune put in some plugs and if it’s stalled – jump start it. This mechanic would tell you that your car just isn’t performing well overall without pinpointing the reasons. His invoice is then glibly handed to you with nothing more on it than an astonishing gut-wrenching bottom line that leaves you feeling screwed and torqued out of shape.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This mechanic would tell you that your car just isn’t performing well overall without pinpointing the reasons.
and you think it’s a smart thing to do to publicly speak about certain players that are the reasons for the bad season?
Unless you want those players to not like you(which isn’t good for a coach), do it.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
coach and mechanics are 2 totally different things.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
this may very well be the most butchered car analogy. Ever.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the comment fell under yours, btw
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually it was a general comment
I just replied to the last statement made i the conversation.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard of teams (not local ones) that were compared to
finely running machines. I don’t think the analogy is incongruent and, given the analogy. a coach would logically be the team’s mechanic. Sorry if the comparison is too abstract for you; I though you, of all people, would appreciate it since your ‘other team’ has as its coach Bill Belichick who dehumanizes his players by demanding their egos annihilation thus reducing them to animate organic cyborgs.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it has worked so far no?
But anyways, all belichek does is praise a player. even if he is doing wrong things(ie. maroney). He keeps an ego free team so they all work together more efectively(ie. becoming friends, helping each other out, etc.).
He does not point out the weaknesses to the press by singling out players(but this is belichek we’re talking about, but he has the right idea).
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea how much I loath New England
- it even frightens me sometimes. Do Patriot captains still hold hands at the coin toss? Do the playershave ‘circle of support’ meetings?. What can one expect from the Godless puritans that evolved out of the that ‘witch’-burning community you call home? There is no way to annihilate the ego, it is part of our human nature and a very good thing. I love Al Davis for this reason alone; just listen to what John Madden says when he talks about Davis’ philosophy of individualism. How can you possibly be a Raider fan when the Patriots are the antithesis of us?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(not again)
this has officially turned into pat/raider fanhood…….. please avoid his post as immediately as possible.
Yes to #1, and they do have player meetings. ego is a part of human nature, but human nature can have humans working with humans. I see little ego get in the way of playing football and working with each other. They help each other out, give each other pointers, and learn from others mistakes. They don’t display their egos at all really. If anything, I hardly see it(hard to think like that isn’t it?). By the way, avoid patriot talk please. I know how much you hate them. you don’t have to tell me.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please provide links to the statements you make
I haven’t been able to find anything that supports them.
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
watch their interviews on our official pats website(patriots.com).
hardly any ego. they praise teams they are facing, not downplay them. If they lose, they say that the other team played great, and tat there are some hings they need to work on. If they win, they praise the other team, and say some things that they need to continue to work on. hardly any ego.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like
the poor people in the communist country I grew up in—pure propaganda
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if a player on the other team been talking bad about them
they usually make a joke, answer something that doesn’t involve hostility toward the guy, or tell the media that words don’t matter, how you play that game does.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lock step order
Sounds more like a concentration camp than a football camp. Do they play new-age subliminal tapes in the players’ dorm? Naive question. What really amazes me is how Moss, with the biggest ego this side of Al Davis’, could survive there. Goes to show how much he does in fact care about the game itself. My heart goes out to Moss – who has the weight of the earth on his shoulders.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he also has shown very little ego(surprisingly since we thought he'd cause trouble over hear when we got him).
I heard he’s being a great mentor to the younger guys, and so far he has been a great player on and off the field.
Enough with talking about the pats blanda. this is a raider site. I only pointed out belichek simply because i wanted to say that he does not blame single players for a season or game that was not successful, and that cable did the right thing by just saying that the team did not do well this season, and not turn not saying certain players.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JP Losman
is not ready, how can someone expect him to make any impact after 2 weeks?
Let frye play one more game, Russell got his shot and so did Gradkowski. Let frye play one more game so we can make a proper verdict on him.
Tommy Kelly's ass won us that game against Denver!
by Robby1987 on Dec 28, 2009 6:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's just letting him get some reps with the team.
we don’t exactly know what type or kind of impact he can make next week. many of us have different expectations. I’d like to see how that expectation shapes up by having him play. I’d like to evaluate him. look at his mechanics, pocket presence, leadership, and decision making, and accuracy. Hell, we can have both frye and losman play next week.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 28, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why not Russell too?
a rotation like we do with the DBs – you are on a roll
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the 3 QB(hey! it rhymes!) scenario?
Of Course!
by patriotguy2 on Dec 28, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
take it easy with the Ginko Biloba
you’ll draw the Broncos and the limericks will never end
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 28, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz we know what Russell
can (can’t?) do.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 29, 2009 4:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but it's more fair that everyone should play and Tom is so fair
just look how he shared the blame with everyone for his poor performance this season. Tom knows that the less privileged players who have no talent will feel humiliated and disenfranchised if they are left out. He will let everyone on the roster play Sunday, everyone will have grass stains to show that they played football. Mr. Cable understands that winning is not important, and values other things like sharing and everyone feels good about themselves no matter how the game ends.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 29, 2009 6:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
russel played A LOT more than frye and losman
we already know what he’s got. we evaluated him many times. As much as i like the 3 QB scenario, we need to see what losman and frye got(more for losman).
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now make up your mind
are you for Russell or not?
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm SLIGHTLY on the "for" side.
just because:
1. I;m still holding on to that Eli Manning analogy
2. I’m hoping he pulls through next year. If not, I hope they kick his ass out.
(warning. warning. This is just an opinion. warning)
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess everyone's entitled to them...........
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see what we have in Losman
we are not making the playoffs anyway and can always bring in Frye if is not working – obviously this is assuming Losman has some idea by now of what he is doing with the Offence.
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by Ozraider on Dec 28, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Should be JaMarcus
He came off a good game winning drive and looked to win back a starting job. Frye does horrible and he gets the nod? I don’t get it, maybe theres something brewing behind doors with a possible JR departure, but if not JR should get the start.
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by ejdacanay on Dec 28, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok then
I would Love to see Jamarcus Russell be under center I am nervous yet excited to see him because he learned and I said this before the KEY to being a good QB under our Raiders which is mobility he makes good decisions and is accurate at time he needs to work on footwork and moving around. He moved around in that pass to Tony on 4th down and stayed Poised in the pocket to get that Game winning TD in the pass to Chadz. I want to see what he can do.
"The Silver and Black are Back" -Greg Papa 2002 AFC Championship game
by nishal26 on Dec 28, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ive Seen what he can do
He is one of the worst QBs to play the game..Labeled as the worst draft pick in history..Im tired of watching him play
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
by Remix. on Dec 28, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone thinks
cuz he stepped into the game and had the winning drive all should be forgiven and he’s the man now. But Bush and the D set that game up for him.
Russell isn’t the answer. Neither is Frye, but he can move a little more. Russell not only screwed his career in Oakland, but forever everywhere.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 29, 2009 4:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not Middle School, or Pop Warner;
We don’t need to give everyone a chance to play, or try to prove something about themselves. I voted Frye and believe they should start Frye because that’s the choice they made for a leader, and he hasn’t really done any better or worse than Ja-Fat-Ass. The Raiders set up a good run to pass ratio early on in the Broncos game and that helped keep them in it, and gave Russell the opportunity to put up a couple of key passes. It was obvious from the two passes he attempted as he was being hit (as he was frozen like a statue-arm raised with the ball- for an eternity) that he just does not have pocket sense (or common sense). Baltimore is playing for a playoff spot and will make sure that no Raider’s QB looks good on Sunday, but why give Russell the chance to embarass us yet again?
by Joesickness on Dec 29, 2009 7:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
From buffalo area
Being from the north east of the country trust me Losman is no better had my fill of him since all i get too see is da bills he is not very mobile holds the ball too long in the pocket and wont run if he has a lane open I say start Frye he was the one that had us lined up too win in denver and took us right back down the field before the end of the first half and back down be for we threw it away instead of pound it in at the 2 yd line the game was in are control before cable and the refs gave it away RAIDERSSS STILL RULE
by Ice Man on Dec 29, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Then we give Frye another shot - he plays well he stays, if poorly he leaves
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 29, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See part of me is thinking
that he was still foggy. But he should have still called an audible for run plays on the 2 and when we were on Cleveland’s 30. But he did get us down field, so………….
I’m torn now. He’s no Bruce, but better than JR. Cable underminded Frye, even if not intentionally, with really bad play calling and under useage of Bush. So 1 more shot for Frye isn’t an unreasonable request.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 29, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not unreasonable
Frye made bad decisions Sunday but may have been off from the concussion 7 days earlier. I’ve no faith in Russell who is just too slow and lacks the necessary instincts of an NFL QB. JPLosman has been criticized for holding onto the ball too long – which for our team spells doom. So, who did throw for 333 yds while still recovering from a concussion is the reasonable choice. If he makes good plays I’ll endorse him, otherwise I won’t.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 29, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you do have a point w/ the 333 yard passing
that I keep overlooking because it didn’t put any TD’s on the board. Which again circumstantially points to possibly still a little shaken. Maybe the picks wouldn’t have happened had he not had a concussion a week prior, and Greg Papa on the radio broadcast mentioned he was kind of walking around in a dazed order still. So he obviously didn’t have a full week to prepare for the game. So all this, in my opinion, is enough to give him one more shot.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 29, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Throw Losman in there
I want the best draft position we can get.
by xville on Dec 29, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No worries, Cable will be coaching
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 29, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
He may be able to run the Colts into the ground.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
was ever a man more maligned or misunderstood?
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 30, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He reaps what he sows.
I really can’t believe your naivety when it comes to Al’s handling of the Raiders. Blind allegience is dangerous. No wait, that’s right, everything is Cable’s fault.
by Rusty23 on Dec 31, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For what reason?
We’re gonna fuck it up any way. I always find it odd that everyone wants picks. It’s like after we fuck up a draft we all forget that we’re horrible at draft picks.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our draft team need to just keep it basic.
Draft for our basic needs. And listen to the scouts when they say somebody’s got suspect hands.
by xville on Dec 30, 2009 3:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
put jr in!
put the fat ass in so i can watch Ray Lewis take his head off again and again. he needs to earn the money that the Raiders paid him.
also for next year if they keep this worthless sack of shit they should make him return punts!
by boo-yaa on Dec 30, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Because he’s proven he’s so mobile and can hold onto the ball, right?
Next time type before the popping the cap off the bottle.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 30, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup really
he need to earn that 60 mil. he got. i dont want him throwing the ball so maybe getting hit hard every time he touches the ball will knock the dumb look off his face! i get mad every time i see that mouth breather! he sucks and he has a poor attitude! how many more of his team mates is he going to throw under the buss!
by boo-yaa on Dec 30, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would play them all like a pre season game, nothing to lose! JT
by JT65 on Dec 30, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's only 1 game
that’s not enough time get a proper feeling. Playing Losman would give us a hint if he should stick around next season. Playing Frye will confirm or deny my assumption that he was still foggy last week. Play Russell would just be a Comedy Central Special.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 30, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
None of the above.
Shane Lechler, please.
by Kione on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
MY GOD!!! You people can't be serious!
The fact that ANYONE said Jabuster Russell shows how pathetically blind to reality some fans are. You can take 3 seasons worth of his work where he was a complete pile of shit as a player and person on and off the field….see one series of plays …. and think he has somehow improved!!! That is beyond myopic and idiotic. Not only should Jabuster NOT play… he should not be allowed to EVER wear a Raiders uniform again. He is human garbage. Personally I would find it hilarious if he got hit by the Raider team bus as an end to his playing career.
by G_M on Dec 30, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain, but JMR is a victim of his own demise and someone to be pitied wheras Cable
is a full grown pumpkin.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 30, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we know what he needs to do in order to improve.
if he does those key things(which i’ll repost if you want), he’ll be a lot better than what we see of him now. that’s why some of us have faith in him. others don’t, which is 100% understandable.
by patriotguy2 on Dec 30, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we lose faith
because last year he showed like he was working on this. Is he your son or something? The guy isn’t even trying to improve. The Denver game was like that first free line of cocaine….before you get a bag of cutter. There just is no reason to have faith in the guy to be let down all. the. time.
I was actually surprised the low amount of Russell apologists that came out after the Denver game. That speaks mas much as the people that still want to hang onto that least retreating thread.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 5:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Russell is disapointing b/c of the amount of hope placed in him to lift this team
and that hope’s not being realized; whereas Cable continued to start jmr through week 9 despite Russell’s obvious deficiencies. Then, Cable proceeded to mishandle in brain numbing style every aspect of our offense against Dallas Washington and Cleveland. Cable remains at large, a clear and present danger – public enemy #1 … while Russell can do no further damage.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here is why(if he does these things, he would improve, which i'm hoping he does more in the next season).
Looking at him play(from highlights)
he has A LOT of things to work on to be that #1 pick. We all know what those things are. Russel needs to learn more by talking to coaches and his players, and develop communication. He seems to be bewildered that he’s not as great as he thought, and just wants to solve his own problems on his own(because he thinks he can fix it by himself. Since he knows he’s so great(according to his mentality). Now, the only way for him to get better, is to accept help from the coaches and players around him. He’s not doing that at the moment. And thats why he’s not getting better. And that’s why he won’t be a starting QB. I hope he accepts the help around him, and learn from his mistakes.
He also needs to watch more film.
We are seeing him fail, because he is not doing these things. What if he does? How good will he be if he does? Those are just ifs, but i’m hoping he does. As a raider fan, why wouldn’t hope the guy would improve?
by patriotguy2 on Dec 31, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
I want to become a pro wrestler (haha), and it’s just a matter of me accepting help from the coaches and pro-wrestlers around, and watching film???!
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wrestler vs. quarter back? what's the similarities?
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had written QB instead of pro-wrestler, would you get the point?
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i know what you meant but still.........
But doesn’t a QB get better by learning from those around you(especially coaches and players, specifically the other QBs)? Does not watching film help a QB improve? They certainly don’t make them worse.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
JR may not be a QB by nature—to assume that he is, just b/c he has (coincidentally) held this position in the past, and so to expect that “he’ll get better,” may be just making matters worse. What if he is much better at some other position? Short of kindergarten teacher (at which I think he will excel, given his temperament), what other FOOTBALL position could you see him in?
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if any position, i'd say............
either full back or TE.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there you go
now, start thinking in this direction
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
which do you think he'll do better in?
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guard
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a raider fan, why wouldn’t hope the guy would improve?
Bleh. That’s just a reworded “you’re not a true fan” bull shit. Don’t you think by now he would have shown SOME improvement? After a while it all catches up to even the most optimistic fan, and reality sets in. You’re basing everything on if’s. He’s had 3 years to complete some of these if’s. The to do list hasn’t decreased in length. Let me quote my favorite hope quote:
Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your man’s strength, and man’s greatest weakness
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t saying that only a true fan believes in russel, i was saying that ME as a raider fan, wants russel to get better. We know what he’s like when he;s not doing these thing, but we don’t know what he’s like if he doe(i know, another “if”).
“Don’t you think by now he would have shown SOME improvement?” Well, since he doesn’t do these things(yet), how can any of us expect him to improve? How can any of us expect him to show SOME improvement for the last couple years, if he doesn’t put in the work to improve?
Those “ifs” have to do with what he does to improve. IF he does those things, I guarantee that he will improve(all great QBs do it). IF he does those “ifs,” then we’ll see a different russel. Again, that’s why some of us have hope that he’ll improve. We are cheering for him to get better. We cheer for him to do the right things. We know that he sucks now, but we want him to improve.
Here’s my “hope” quotes: “Fear can hold you prisoner, hope can set you free” and “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best thing, and no good thing ever dies”- Shawshank Redemption. DO NOT DENY SHAWSHANK!
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are now 3 years into his contract
let’s exclude the first year. So he has 1 season as starter. He looked like he was getting better last year. He came out in SD and looked…….well……..ok I guess. Then what happened? He did his mandatory game and fell apart? Yup, he’s also had some sparks here and there. Unfortunately, it’s not enough. He won’t get better because he thinks he’s doing fine. So until it clicks you can hang on to your if if if all you want and let hope set you free as a bird.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been saying this for 3 posts.
Why don’t you think he’s not getting better? Because he’s not doing the things he’s supposed to be doing in order to get better. Do you think he’ll play the same way if he does those things? I highly doubt it. Is he incapable to do those things? No. Players do that all the time, especially those who struggled(ie. Eli Manning, Chad Henne, Chad Pennington, Aaron Rodgers, do I have to name more?). He just has to realize that just because you were good in college, doesn’t mean you are good in the nfl. He has sparks. Potential. he just needs to work more to reach that potential. That’s all the reasons I need to hope, or have faith in J-russ.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think all of a sudden after 3 years and being benched TWICE it would all of sudden kick in? He got benched and still came out and said it wasn’t his fault. Then the Redskins game. What makes you think he WILL do these things? Cable has said when asked if there was any change. He says he’s preparing still the same as before. No different. Why in bloody hell are you expecting anything to be different when nothing at all has even REMOTELY hinted that it will be? If I saw him on the sideline talking w/ Bruce during the game right now trying to learn I’d say you’re right. Or if he’d get w/ the offense while the D is on the field and get a plan together. You can mention all the players you want. The difference is they all tried to get better and worked on it. I don’t understand why you’re holding onto so many if’s and expecting to wake up some day and be like “See I fucking told everyone.” Is he your brother or cousin or best friend or something? Sparks are nothing. A car can get sparks with 1 out of 4 good spark plug wires, but if you don’t change the other 3 you just sputter. If you continue to drive your car with only 1 working wire do you expect that it will get better or do you have to change something to make it better? If you think he’s potential is so good, let’s trade him to New England.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he still thinks that he's a great QB(he thinks he is, but he's not)
that’s why he’s not working hard enough. He thinks there are only a few things wrong with him. I think if he’s benched for a long time, maybe it will compel him to do better. Al has been babying him as the #1 QB, and now they see that gradkowski is doing better because he works hard. Russel needs to work harder, and maybe having grad as our #1 will compel him to be better. Yes, we all know he has not been very productive these past 3 years. you can stop letting us know. i’m fully aware that he’s not good. but i’m rooting for him to get better. some fans are like that, other are not. Some root for players who aren’t very good, but we believe he can be eventually. I’m sorry that i don’t see it your way. you’re just going to have to live with the fact that there are still raider fans out there who believe russel will pull through(i’m just ever so slightly rooting for him).
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if he’s benched for a long time, maybe it will compel him to do better.
I agree. For 3 more year. I’ll stop saying he’s not good if you stop floating this if-filled, propaganda, koolaid that IF he does this he can do better. You have no not shown any reason whatsoever that there may be any reason to buy into the “if he does this”. Root for whoever you want, but you KNOW if you post it here someone is going to call you out to defend it. He has effectively destroyed his own career by not being a good QB, not trying to be a good QB, and by throwing his teammates under the bus. So if you’re one of those people that tries to find the good in everyone, you haven’t lived far much.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but if he does those ifs,
won’t he get better? that’s why we say ifs. We say ifs because we think the player can do well when he does those ifs. we believe in them, we hope they get better. You don’t. You already know how bad he plays, and you believe he cannot get better. that he’s beyond getting better. you think he’s an abomination on this team(which isn’t that far off due to his attitude at the moment to say the truth) and that nothing will save him. You avoid the fact that no one can change. That anyone who is very bad, cannot improve in some way. Ifs are part of every player and their abilities(potential). Ifs are a part of history. When that one person in history thought if the world was round, or if this makes this do this, then this should happen. Ifs are used to show possibilities. It seems like you have a problem with ifs at the moment, simply because the ifs are pertaining to a player who you believe is a lost cause, while some others believe he can still be saved(believes he can get better).
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because after 3 years
with no improvement, the writing is on the wall. I mean come on. Charlie Frye went in instead of him. And after horrendous game against Cleveland, Frye is going in again. Russell’s work ethic was questioned in college. So why would it change now w/ all the money he got? Some people just can’t do their job. IF the guy that works with me got better at his job, I wouldn’t have to fix the machine all the time. Some people simply max out. I don’t think Russell can or ever will be a good QB. The desire aside, I just don’t think he’s able to grasp it on a professional level. Even by shear repetitiveness and habit, something would change. Learning to get rid of the ball faster even. He just doesn’t seem like he can do it. I may have simply maxed out on a professional level. In fact the fact that he REGRESSED form last year tells me he doesn’t have what it takes to be a professional NFL QB starter. You can put “what if” on any person in the entire world and hope they get better at whatever they’re doing. But some people simply just reach their full potential.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
frye is going in so coaches can evaluate him. putting russel in would be a waste, and evaluating frye is more important at this time of the season. And after 3 years of playing in the nfl, I find it hard to believe he reached his full potential(we all know he has the potential to be great). There’s more writing to come, and it’s up to russel to write his own future.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"we all know he has the potential to be great"?
I for one don’t. It’s time for you to accept the fact that no one really (I mean REALLY—behind the PC cliches) cares about unrealized potential.
by Spirals galore on Dec 31, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Russel better frickin' pull through next year. My patience for him to get better IS getting slimmer.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh so you want
to wait one more year to call him a bust?
is it because you don’t want to be wrong or because you really honestly believe he can be the all-star you think he is?
And no, I don’t know he has potential to be great. And neither do you. The NFL is not college ball. Just because he was good in college doesn’t mean he’s going to be good in the NFL. So don’t keep saying we all know he hast he potential to be great just because you want him to be great. He’s now half way through his contract and he went backwards. That’s not being great.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i never watched him in college, and i'm only assuming he was good in college(since he's the #1 pick and all).
i am waiting one more year. but it’s all up to him to decide what his future will be. That was not me wanting to be right, just that i want russel to succeed. But if he continues to loligag around next year, i want him out. I have this thing that I have to wait 4 years to see what he’s he’s got before deciding anyone is a bust or not. If you ask why, it’s because I believe 4 years is a fair amount of years(and a couple of other reasons that you would argue against) to see what a players got.
by patriotguy on Jan 1, 2010 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And next year
you’re gonna still be hoping that IF he does what he needs to do he’ll be good. And then also year 5 IF he does what he’s supposed to be. And then year 6 IF he does bla bla bla And then after his contract is over, you’ll be saying IF he did this he would have been a good QB. We’re 3 freaking years in and he’s gone backwards. Shown some spark, but he’s alway shone some park. Never capitalized on it. There is such thing as being to optimistic. It’s called being naive.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 1, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i said 4 years is my waiting time for any player, then i give my own conclusions on someone.
being naive? I am having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous? Damn, i didn’t know that i can be naive just by waiting for another year……..
by patriotguy on Jan 1, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you can wait your 1 more year
but I still think you’ll come back here next year and say “Well I he does this….so 1 more year”. Some people show they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Others don’t. Russell has shown no reason to spend ~67% just to show improvement. By now he should be reading the field better, feeling pocket presence better, and leading the offense better. He is not. He was doing better LAST YEAR than this year. So are you so stead fast in your “well 4 years and they’re gonna be FREAKING AWESOME” rule that you can’t see it? What if his contract was only 4 years? What a waste that would be then, huh? Until we let him go or his contract is up you and the other apologists will be say IF IF IF. And then it’ll be the Raiders fault he never succeeded.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 1, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well good thing we have gradkowski then.
by patriotguy on Jan 1, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
Hopefully they’ll do the right thing and resing him next year
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 1, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grad's entry changed the year
His impact to our team’s performance this season can’t be exaggerated . The qualities of “clutchness” and leadership proved we have the players but lacked leadership, he ignited us with a spark of excellence as soon as he started against Cincinnati – when everything changed- 10 pts scored in the final minute, Bruce working the clock like he’d read and rehearsed the part in advance, the throw to Murphy who bulled his way in from the 2 for the score, then the fumble on the return and Janikowski puts em away … vintage Raiders.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 1, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FRYE should start period!
So last week’s game wasn’t so good was it? You put a guy on the road, playing the Team that traded him and “dissed” him ,40 miles away from where he grew up and went to College AND in front of Mom Dad and the inlaws what did you expect? Frye tried to do too much. I’m not a Frye apologist or even a big fan but he’s the man this week. Forget the 3 int’s, when was the last time we saw our QB (starter or backup) throw for 300 plus yards? If Loseman had signed on 6 weeks ago and knew the complete offense I’d say yes. JA3andout- forget it. The only reason you would start Russell is there might be a chance Ray Lewis would “clean his clock” and sideline him. Brutal,I know but that’s how I feel about that waste of space. We know Bruce can spark the “O” let’s see what Frye can do against an elite defense.
by Wyoraider on Dec 31, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fair assessment only if Frye was still mental from Denver
If Frye had all his marbles last week then the 333 yards he racked-up says more about Cleveland’s pass defense than Frye’s quality as a QB. I say this because of the way 2 of those 3 interceptions occurred, i.e. without that much pressure on Frye he demonstrated poor judgment and threw recklessly. It’s not Charlie’s athletic ability that concerns, he’s a fine athlete, but I don’t yet believe he can be trusted as a backup for Grad next year.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 31, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
which is why I would like to see him start one more time and see if was still foggy or if he’s just that bad.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point Sons-of Blanda and mikesd1981
Yeah, it will be interesting to see if he does well this weekend. If he falters I really would like to see Loseman NOT JA3andout. Cable made a comment today to the effect that if you had to list the things Russell would have to concentrate on to be effective we"we would be here forever". Sounds like the proverbial honeymoon is over. Man I hope so.
by Wyoraider on Dec 31, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't you think it was over
when Grad went in? And when Frye was still the starter after every Russell lover’s amazing come back for the win in Denver?
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, But......
After 9 weeks of ugly,where we didn’t even get a whif of a backup I get paranoid that Mr. Davis or someone in the organization will still try to nurture this guy. I hope they cut there losses and go after a genuine prospect or a proven vet. Jeff Garcia would do well here if Russell were gone.
by Wyoraider on Dec 31, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Garcia didn't leave because of Russell
he left because of the state of the Raiders organization in general.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he left because he wouldn't be starting QB.
When Cable said that russel is the starting QB, garcia left because he wanted to be starter. At least that’s what i’ve been told by either you guys or the raider staff.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah?
The Raider staff. Cuz they’re gonna admit right away the organization is in turmoil. Garcia gave an interview right b4 or after he signed w/ the Eagles about why he left and the turmoil here. But I’m sure IF he tried he could have brought stability to the place. I would be rooting for him cuz who knows IF Garcia tried to be a leader what could happen.
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by mikesd1981 on Dec 31, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
- Oh okay. if it’s the turmoil then my mistake.
- Who knows? Getting stability might be asking too much, but i’m sure he would use some of his veteran knowledge and teach the other QBs a bit more. He seems like he can be a leader if he was here, but of course, he has to get the other players o believe in him first.
by patriotguy on Dec 31, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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