Saint's "Idiot's Guide" To Fixing The Oakland Raiders:
We all know that this team, save the Gruden years, has been run into the ground since the return to Oakland. In fact, here are some alarming stats that can no longer be ignored.
Franchise Record: 408-332-11
Record Since Returning to Oakland: 95 - 150 ( .3877 Win %)
Record Without Gruden: 46 - 119 (Taking 2003 out as well) (Adding 2003, 57-124) ( .2787 Win %)
At this pace, which shows NO signs of stopping, the Raiders, who were at one time the "Winningest Franchise in Professional Sports History" will be sub .500 as a franchise by 2017.
Of the 8 Head Coaches in the last 15 years, only three had previous Head Coach Experience, two of whom have been failures and one who should have never been fired by Al, to his own admission, in the first place and was re-hired. (Joe Bugel - Cardinals (4), Art Shell - LA Raiders (6), Norv Turner - Redskins (7))
Then there was this blurb from the Cable Re-Hiring Press Conference:
"-Q: Would you like to hire somebody to help you in the personnel department?
-DAVIS: We have two executives in personnel, but I don’t know if they’re going to stay. I haven’t made up my mind exactly what I’m going to do. But I’m going to do something. I haven’t made up my mind exactly what I’m going to do. I thought of you, but John Herrera wouldn’t OK you."
Hmmm? This was after saying THIS at the Kiffin firing:
– Davis said he is looking at a football executive he declined to name who will be needed to help guide the Raiders through issues such as labor, a new stadium
So, here is step ONE of getting the Oakland Raiders back to the top, where they belong, of the NFL:
1) Al Davis needs to hire "That Elusive Executive" that he knows he needs and he has to give that person, whom he respects, the reigns to this team. He knows that he needs a Bruce Allen, Mike Holmgren or Ron Wolf-Type again.
The problem is, and I thought about this this morning, him handing over control, actual control, of the team would be like me becoming a vegetable and wanting my wife to get remarried. I mean, if she and the kids were happy, then I'd want that right? I don't think that Al understands that the time has come to hand the reigns over. His day of running things is done, over, c'est la vie! Let the fans and YOUR Organization be happy again Al!
Your record without Gruden speaks for itself.
2) Al needs to bring in a proven winner AFTER he hires the executive. Bill Cowher, Brian Billick or Jim Harbaugh would be MUCH easier to bring over here IF they knew that they would report to someone other than Al Davis. We've already lost Sean Payton AND the Kiffins (I can't believe that Monte Kiffin would have been our Defensive Coordinator the past two seasons if Al would have just let Lane bring his Father in and fired Rob Ryan, who's defense still stinks in Cleveland)
3) If JaMarcus Russell is not putting in Vince Young-Type Effort after being benched then the team will need to part ways with "The Duece" and get a Veteran Leader in here to run the offense. He is just too expensive to keep around. But, I'd let the new GM make that call.
I know that Al LOVES JaMarcus, but let's be real. The kid is currently a fat, uninspired, HUGE paycheck cashing bust. He has the tools, yes, but, just because T-Martin said he was good, does NOT make him the future.
So, Raider Nation, it really is that simple. It is time for Al to take his place in the stars and move onto the next stage of his life...NFL ICON...It is time for him to show the NFL World that he is a genius, a genius that can change his mind for the betterment of his organization and not a mad genius that will ruin that which he loves so much and continue to deny it happiness.
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If Gruden made such a significant difference with Al still around
why is it necessary for him to go? Your argument leads to the conclusion that we need a coach like Gruden but does not lead necessarily to the conclusion that we need a new GM. What would distinguish the Raiders from any other team if you got your wish? Winning cannot be guaranteed under another GM. Without Al Davis the Raiders could easily become another fungible NFL team; Oakland’s identity is integrally bound to Al Davis’.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying the Raiders die when Al dies?
So they’ll just close up shop? Things change. Are the Cowboys anything less without Tom Landry? No, they’re just different but there is no removing Landry from Cowboy’s lore. I realize that Al has been the Raiders but they will go on. Do you think there is no need for a GM?
by Rusty23 on Dec 3, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eventually you'll have a GM
But what we need now is a strong defensive middle. Two DT’s and a MLB. Offensively, we need an OT, G, and C. The rest is speculation. The skill positions take more time to develop and I’m willing to wait for that. I’m comfortable with Grad but he needs at least 1/2 second more. The coaches have to go, especially Cable and his OL and DL coaches.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Right GM Will Make That Happen:
With, even a decent GM, we would have had: Monroe and Unger, Orakpo, Barwin or Crabtree and Unger combos instead of two players that we could have very easily traded down to get or just waited to fall to #39 and #71 respectively.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Browns showed restraint taking a Center first
the Bills took a C in the first round too. A team should address its needs. But there’s something to be said for grabbing the most talented player available with an eye to building around him or trading him for a proven player in a different position you need to fill. Everyone wants Al’s job!
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Either of these centers can play nearly everywhere on the line:
This draft class, to me, was not one where the first C was drafted in the 4th Round. No way!
In fact Unger is a BEAST and is starting for SEA at RG.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Madden when you need him?
John knew the value of a great Center and reliable Guards and Tackles; he built outward from that secure foundation.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John actually stays in touch with Al; I wish Al would listen to him
I hated that we ignored the holes we have at DT, on the O line, and just in general with the draft.
There is definitely something to be said for taking the most talented guy, but those picks are often the riskiest. If in fact, the talent doesn’t translate to the next level, the building around that piece never happens.
I would love for the organization to get the GM, draft succesfully, take FA’s successfully and once again be competitive consistently under Al, I just don’t think it’ll happen.
I would love more than anything if a guy came along and was the next Ron Wolf or Bruce Allen—that key component that helped Al where he needs it. I’m not critical of everything he does. At the core, he knows what building blocks it takes to build a great football team, as evidenced by how great this team would be bolstered at those key positions I’m tired of us discussing. But even Saint’s ,“Idiot’s Guide,” seems, but a pipe dream…
by brhynno on Dec 3, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Allen and Gruden left for Tampa:
Lombardi came in, and there hasn’t been a GM-Type since he left.
Gruden succeded in spite of Al. In fact, it is common knowledge that when AD would try and interfere, Gruden would put together film of why his own plan was better.
Al is a PAIN to work for, and regardless of his success, Gruden could not WAIT to get out of here.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This demonstrates that Al can be managed
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By one of the BEST Coaches in the NFL
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be managed
Can he still be managed?
by Rusty23 on Dec 3, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
that didn’t end so well once Al realized he wasn’t getting the glory he felt he deserved.
by Rusty23 on Dec 3, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That too can be managed
The media piled on the praise, not so much to honor Gruden, but to spite Davis. I don’t blame Gruden for handling things as he did but if he’d deflected the glory Al’s way he might have kept things together. Al wanted glory and felt diminished; Gruden could have mitigated that problem too but chose not to.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like too much work when 29 other football teams want to hire you
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
diplomacy must be hard b/c it pays so well
with this owner we need an exceptional man as coach.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA!!! Nice One!!!
I love Al Davis and I Love the Raiders. I want to go to Reno or Vegas with Mr. Davis any day of the week, and it has become apparent that his time has come.
May he live to be 120! Here’s to stem cell research Mr. Davis! For he’s a Jolly Good Raider and all that. But, to his own admission, it is time for him to bring in a “Football Guy” in a high position.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We've all kinda said for a long time, and probably are correct
that if a guy like Gruden came in, or another similar guy that had that seemingly very rare ability to convince Al that he is wrong, or at least not as right as them for reasons they can convey to the old bastard.
I believe he may be getting tougher with age, however. Like someone posted about him being like his stubborn father, and how he gets more impossible everyday. That’s how I explain how we somehow get worse when someone actually says, “they can’t get any worse…”
Someone needs to show him he interferes with success. Not since Gruden have we seen it.
Interesting that SOB mentioned Madden too. We need a committee of Madden, Flores, Otto, Biletnikoff, Atkinson, Long, Christiansen. You’d think with all the HOFers and greats from our past we’d be able to get through to the guy, you know? Don’t they talk to him still? I know I heard Flores and Madden do. And Biletnikoff and Otto and those guys are staff and organization staples. What gives????
by brhynno on Dec 3, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden and his agent
orchestrated a trade to TB to leave here.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 3, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never really got details of that; what else do you know of the details?
I heard it myself, but never really knew why. Was he done with Al? I vaguely remember some less public banter like what took place between Lane and Davis before he was fired.
Who was Gruden’s agent, and is he still his agent? I guess I could research it myself a little… It’d be interesting to know.
There’s no real reasons out there to think he’d even entertain the possibility, and he seems to be enjoying analyzing. I like him, but I’m getting the reactions people were having to Madden before his retirement: people either love him or can’t stand him.
by brhynno on Dec 3, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we
got picks and money. But I think the money was just a buyout of the contract. From what I can ascertain from what I read it was about money.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 4, 2009 4:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo Sons-of-Blanda!
The press hates Al Davis just as much as Al Davis hates the press. The result is constant calls for his downfall (literally and figuratively). The fans are buying into the Hatorade served up by the Press.
by Sbay on Dec 3, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your side
but please also take into perspective that Bruce Allen and Gruden both left together. So yes Gruden is the kind of coach we need, but it is hard to gage it completely due to the fact that I think Gruden and the Raiders success at that time may have also gone hand in hand with the fact that we had Bruce Allen who many and myself believe was a great GM. I see what you are saying that we might not need actually need a new GM, but it’s hard to say that we don’t either. I love Al, but I honestly would like to have a new coach and a new GM. Just my opinion, thanks.
by nyraider on Dec 4, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Al might get a strong Coach again
but I just can’t see him relinquishing GM duties unless to someone in his tight inner circle (assuming he has anyone there beyond the equipment manager). If Madden wanted to GM there’s a chance Al would give him the job. Then we would be in awesome shape b/c John knows the game and how to evaluate talent; plus, he has a special love for linemen and that inner game in the pit … something paradoxically lacking with Cable.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 4, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely has to be a guy that is John Madden
How cool would that be? Even Ron Wolf, but both seem like impossibilities.
Plus, those guys are almost as old as Al. Al would never, and has never relinquished complete control to personnel decisions.
What about Tom Flores? SB winner as a player, assistant, and HC. I somehow feel our chances would be best with a past Raider great. More likely to succeed with the proven successful.
by brhynno on Dec 5, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a guy like Madden that is... highly successful, a history with Al, HOFer, even better
by brhynno on Dec 5, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Madden is a living legend and has connections everywhere
With John in charge (subordinate to Al, of course, (Hello Al)), the media would be pulling for the Raiders for a change. He lives in Pleasanton – a short commute – no flying. Maybe another billboard is in order? Placed on the 580 near Dublin Pleasanton reading, “The Raider Nation needs your help, John Madden.” or something better.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 5, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember right
we did have a GM during the Gruden years. I think he was fired at about the same time or the following season. Was he one of the Lombardi kids?? I can’t remember for sure.
by markdog333 on Dec 3, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He works on NFL network now
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Dec 3, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Al Calls Him a Liar. Just Like Mortensen and Kiffin
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's pretty good reason to believe Lombardi does at least bend the truth
Hasn’t he been exposed for it a couple of times since being fired from the Raiders, as a reporter?
by brhynno on Dec 3, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Allen
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 3, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One win per month
Hey guys. If you look at this season’s games, the Raiders have been winning one game per month since August’s preseason. If you believe in patterns, let’s hope that they beat either the Steelers or Broncos this month.
by Amigo on Dec 3, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And Baltimore in January
If we could manage two a month I could leave home without this paper bag.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 3, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it great when fellow fans point out miserable stats like that!
You gotta love that shit. Only as Raider fans.
I’m still amazed at how much the league gives a shit about us; must be for our loyalty. Not necessarily big brother, but the buzz around the game, amongst players, teams, and coaches, and the media of course.
It’s probably because they still sell a shitload of domestic beer.
by brhynno on Dec 3, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
25000 plus
i am one of the plussssssssssssssss! Enough already, Big Al.
by Realtooreal on Dec 3, 2009 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AD the contrarian
If we need a new GM, we need to say we DON’T need to a GM to AD. We’re taunting him by saying get a gm; he’s out to prove the world wrong, regardless of sense. He will not want to sway to public, press, fan pressure. It has to be his idea.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 4, 2009 2:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Al will harden
But he will also consider the issue and something may result.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 4, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow I
picture Al Davis sitting in his office thinking “Foolish foolish peasants out there. Don’t they know who they’re messing with?”
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Dec 4, 2009 8:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
... as he brushes lint from his satin cuff and sighs
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 4, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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