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The Monday after the season ends should be known as "Silver and BLACK Monday".   Cable- gone, Russel-gone, Walker-gone, Fargas-gone, Heyward-bey- gone

Lets clear up some cap space, lets get veterans, this project with first round picks needs to be broken up.  Hey-bey is my lone second thought, but he still gets paid a million a catch and I like Murphy so much more. 

Replacements QB--- Gradkowski has proven he deserves first crack as starter. Love his fire and leadership.  Back up- bring in Michael Vick, let him compete for the starting postion.  You can get a 3 time pro-bowler for cheap.  He scrambles enough to buy time with a not-so good offensive line.  Gradkowski has improved our QB position by his ability to move, why not get the leagues best at mobility.  Russel you made your money, you cashed your lottery ticket,, congratulations. HOWEVER, you will never start for an NFL team again. There is not a team in the league that would start you or pay you what you are paid now!!! no where. He may be good in 4 years.. We dont have the time or money to wait!

 

Replacement RB--- Bush and Mcfadden combination will become potent when these two start receiving more carries.  Bush averages almost a full yard a carry than Fargas and is very cheap making about $500k a year.  Thats about 5 mil. less than Fargas.  Fargas inability to make it in the endzone is his failure.  800 career carries in 7 years and only 8 td's total, sorry not good enough.  He is the anti-Barry Sanders.  Where Barry always had a chance to go the distance, Fargas has no chance!  sorry bud, thanks for your detimination, but detirmination alone doesnt get you NFL touchdowns. We need touchdowns to win!  Mcfadden is the change of pace, third down back (we can only keep one overpriced back, lets keep the younger of the two).  I pose this question, we've seen what Fargas does with the ball.  How about we give Bush 20 carries a game and see what happens.  No more mediocre numbers from our RB position!

 

Replacement WR--- Murphy, Higgins, Schilliens.  Maybe pick up a free agent like Anquin Boldin (proven playmaker) and balance him with our young guys.  Heyward Bey may some day develope into a "good" reciever, but he'll never be great.  He's paid like he's great, but he's far from it.  Murphy and Higgins come with alot less expense than Bey and proven better receivers.  They are both young, but have shown potential.  The only brightside we've had concerning Bey is when I found out he was out this week and Higgins would get the start.  Higgins 4 catches 63 yds replacing Bey compares well with Beys seasons totals to date.  How much longer are we going to pay a receiver who cant catch? Javon Walker gets paid 6 mil a year to run with our scout team.  Cut!

Replacement Cable--- anyone with headcoaching experience.  Cable is enept.  He won his job by winning the last two games of the 2007 season. But he won those by fluke.  His starter Justin Fargas got injured and his back up Bush went off and the Raiders had 2 good wins.  He never would have played Bush if Fargas hadnt gone down, so he only won by technicality.  Bush is our only 100 yd rusher of the year and the 3 games following his break out performance he's only had 8 carries.  It took him 9 weeks to bench Russel.  Enough! Im tired of the ignorance.

Lets draft some lineman with the first 2 picks in the draft.  Lets use the extra cap space to sign Richard Seymoor. Hopefully add another, talented, veteran DE alongside Richard. 

2010 would be a great year!!!!

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Many people sleep on Fargas.

Bush, McFadden and Fargas is a Very Good trio of backs to have..Tom Cable does not know how to use them effectively.

Heyward-Bey is still a Rookie. Yes, he should not be starting, but he needs time to develop, like ANY NORMAL key word Normal rookie.

Don’t know about Vick, Maybe. I don’t know.

There’s No way in HELL that Boldin would come to Oakland. NO WAY. Let’s be real now. Hardly ANYBODY wants to come here. And that situation with Javon is some inside issue..and Al would have already cut him if that was not the case (remember DeAngelo Hall?)

Seymour is a DE, he needs to be put at the ends along with Ellis. We need to draft a Big DT.

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 7, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Woah Woah Woah!!!

Lose Fargas and Cable?? Fargas is our best HB. And if Oakland continues these winning ways, Id love to see Tom come back. The # 1 thing every winning team has is coaching stability. I agree on bringing in Vick. Only for wild cat though. And maybe other times. I really cant get over the fact you wanna cut Fargas, really man? Hes probably the only pure raider out there.

by Remix. on Dec 7, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gradkowski, Huff, and Fargas are pure Raiders

Cutting Fargas would be a crime against Raiderhood.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 7, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Stability is the key. You never get to the top of the mountain if every 8 games you start over with a new coach Keep Tom Cable no matter what happens or let’s let the players choose.

Wake me up if we win

by nishal26 on Dec 7, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But he wants to keep

McFadden who should be trade bait.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 7, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

We need to trim the fat. I like fargas, but he is not worth what he is getting paid. He may be a raider on the inside, but these days, that just doesnt win games.

I said from day 1 hey-bey was a waste of $30 mil. I wanted Crabtree because today he still would have been the best hands on our team. I am just going to say this “I told you so” for a long time.

I would like to see Cable stay. I too agree that coaching stability is key. I really havent seen Cable lose any games. I do like the fact that 3 of our wins have come against winning teams.

I just dont think vick has it anymore and i dont think we want the baggage.

As for the future…Lets just load up on OL and a few defensive players for depth.

But what I want the most for Xmas what is on the billboard…a GM and tape over AL’s mouth.

by gl12ox05 on Dec 7, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

McFadden

signed a deal $60 million 6 year deal. Fargas $12 million for 3 years. Who’s the one not worth it so far? (hint: it ain’t Fargas)

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 7, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Patrick Star- Can you give me another hint?

"The Silver and Black are Back" -Greg Papa 2002 AFC Championship game

by nishal26 on Dec 7, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

re: McFadden

granted Mcfadden hasnt produced. But, once again Fargas 7 yrs in the league 800 carries 8 t.d.‘s… Mcfadden has 185 carries and 5 t.d.’s in 2 years. Give McFadden 800 carries and gaurantee he’ll have about 30 touchdowns. Gauranteed!! He’s explosive and has NFL running back speed. He just needs more experience and more carries thats all.

by DvS on Dec 7, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And he needs to

be more durable and able to stay on his feet longer.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fargas is tough

But he isn’t fast enough. He doesn’t have the breakaway speed that the really good backs like Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson have.

Still that’s no reason to get rid of him. RBs have a way of getting nicked up and we will always need depth.

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Dec 7, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would rather have Huggy Bears production than McFaddens speed.

I love watching Fargas run – he is a true Raider, speed is not very helpful when you can’t get into space because you go down on first contact EVERY TIME. I think we should keep all three Bush and Fargas as the true RB’s and McFadden as a tweener or maybe even try and seek trade value.

I Would LOVE to see us trade up and draft Suh (i want a o’lineman but this guy is a freak) maybe mcfadden still holds enough value to put something together.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Dec 7, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm reading through this post again (way above average)

glad I did. Thanks DvS. At first, I was turned off when I got to his take on Fargas b/c like you Ozraider and others, I think Justin is definitive Raider – a throwback to the days that put Oakland on the sports map and his spirit lifts this team in ways that statistics don’t register. But DvS has taken a really practical – accountant’s – perspective and considering realities, he makes some valid points. Though I disagree with some of his player assessments, e.g. Seymour. As for Vick, I am impressed with him and he certainly fits our image and Al’s halfway house history of giving great athletes a second chance.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 9, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the problem that Cable has with Bush

comes from the 100 yard game and he asked to come out after i think it was 5 successful carrys in a row, and the drive stalled and we ended up losing, i think that shows that at this point Bush is not capable of being the every down bruiser that we expect him to be with more carrys. As long as his conditioning is in question we need Fargas.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Dec 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bush and Fargas

I think Bush should only get 15-20 Carries a game. Same for Fargas. And Darren should only get around 7-10. Mostly Swings and Tosses. But when Bush only gets 1 caryy, thats madness

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

by Remix. on Dec 10, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Must be something we don't know about

I’d like to see DMF as a WR at some point. Maybe if we ever get a big lead.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 10, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not at any point

On like hooks and quick outs. I can see that happening. Ecspecially on WR screen plays

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

by Remix. on Dec 10, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Vick? Our image?

What image is that? Our image of having quarterbacks who have accuracy issues? Or our image of taking chances on players who don’t deserve it, like javon? Or maybe our image of being harcore and ruthless. Myself, like most Raider fans could care less about any of those images. I wanna see the image coming from a television of us winning games, in the playoffs, in the super bowl, celebrating holding the championship trophy. That’s the image I want to see. I get so sick of Raider fans gettin caught up in the image. Image don’t mean shit if u not winning games n u r the laughing stock of the league. Vick is a great athelete n he could be successful as a Raider with the right playcalling (not from Cable, no way, no how). I just could care less how Vick does or does not fit our image. Also I am not a fan of Fargas. He’s a hard runner n that’s it. Hard runners come a dime a dozen. He has the running vision of a blind folded horse. He explodes through the hole n then proceeds to run right into his blocker or the waiting tackler. When is the last time you saw him bounce a play or shake a defender?

by itswhateva on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll excuse you for your youthful ignorance

But men like Jack Tatum, George Atkinson, Pete Banaszak, Ronnie Lott, Otis Sistrunk, Howie Long, Greg Biekert, Ted Hendricks, Jim and Gus Otto, I could go on … were ruthless merciless hitters on the field and teams feared the Raiders then rightfully so because their rosters diminished in and their IR list grew. Winning is important – but style of play is what sets a team apart and gives it character. They Raiders’ style made me love them. But that stumble bum oaf is now at the helm and incapable of unleashing this team’s potential. He should be roasted over an open flame till 100 lbs of lard drips from his rotund girth.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

youthful ignorance, ha funny one their ol fella

but seriously, where does the image of Vick fit in with any of the great men u just listed? Its not like you see Vick out there layin the boom on defenders or anything like that. He’s not Adrian Peterson or Bo Jackson. What makes him so tough. More times than not you’re gonna see him stepping outta bounds or sliding like most other qb’s who play today’s game of football. Now I agree Fargas fits the image, but then again like I said earlier hard running backs come a dime a dozen. The league is full of backs with his skill set.

by itswhateva on Dec 14, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I bought my first recurve bow from a dog fighter

who was also golden gloves champion of Oregon in his weight. I have nothing against Vick for fighting dogs even if our feminized society does. Vick is tough and smart. I like Bruce a lot and don’t know what Frye is made of yet – Russell is hopeless. I appreciate tough and expect Bruce to come back strong.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Depth?

He is our #1 back. We have Gary Russell for depth

by Remix. on Dec 8, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a pretty badly thought out post

Fargas has been our most consistent back since he has been getting consistent carries and is a true leader and not overly expensive, DHB is a rookie and Cable has done a great job in keeping this team together and playing hard most weeks and now we have a servicable QB you will see his playcalling open up for sure heck his aggressive play calling against pitt was fantastic and gave us a chance to win (the deep ball to murphy on third and 1 etc).

Walker and J-Russ can go if Al wants (Jruss is not going anywhere yet though) but getting rid of Fargas and Cable at this point would make no sense whatsoever – we finally have a coach the players play hard for and Fargas is our shining example of how the game is supposed to be played we need his leadership on this young team and changing coaches AGAIN is nothing but counter productive on such a young team especially now it is starting to click.

I think you should actually WATCH a few more games…..

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Dec 7, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking the exact same thing as you so Rec’d

:)

Punjabi by Nature

by Robby1987 on Dec 7, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

as bad of year Tomlinson is having he has as many touchdowns THIS YEAR as Fargas has had over 7 years and 800 carries in the league.. and the 2 he has this year are on the 1 yd line.

by DvS on Dec 7, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hes good

in a rotation of running backs. I still think Bush should get the most carries but fargas shouldn’t be cut for nothing

Punjabi by Nature

by Robby1987 on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

at 4million a year,, no one will want him.. who would he take a starting job from?

by DvS on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet with a better blocking o-line

Fargas could be an elite NFL running back. McFadden still ran into the d-line even w/ a hole right there to run through.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Without a Doubt

He runs with such intensity. If he played on Dolphins or Broncos, He would easily have 1300 yds in a year

by Remix. on Dec 8, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How does keeping Cable = Stability?

The man coaches one way one week and another way the next. Keeping him is a guarantee for instability. Unbelievable swings in Raider play and play calling.

But, because he showed ability in Pittsburgh I am willing to forgive him for Dallas.

However, Tom is on probation and if he goes back into his Dallas mode between now and January 4th – I am finished with him.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 7, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

do you think the consistancy issues

might also have something to do with having inexperienced therefore inconsistent players?

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Dec 7, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree there has been some things that on the surface i didnt agree with

but there have been some great play calls and really well play called entire games also.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2009 2:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Cable = Stability because....

He is our coach now has it occurred that the good team we look up on like the Patriots, Colts, Steele rs, Eagles, Bengals have all have coaches that have been there for a long time except Mike Tomlin and the Colts new coach but those aren’t the Raiders so that’s why they are still good. I am saying OK if we fire Tom and someone else coming in and messes up then we get another one then another etc. The players are used to Tom Cable and his system and new coach means a new system to learn along with a brand new playbook and if Tom is fired then there will probably be a few more like the special teams coach and the defensive coordinator not saying they will but a possibility. If Your dad went away and was replaced with another dad how would you feel that is how the Raiders feel every time some one is fired we need time 1 and a half seasons is not even close to enough to determine if he is a good coach. Like players we don’t judge them in there first 2 years or else Nnamdi would have been gone from here he was no Shutdown Corner as soon as he put on the silver and black it took a while just like I am sure Tom can do if we can give him a chance,

Wake me up if we win

by nishal26 on Dec 7, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How can they be use to a system that changes every other week?

Cable is a chameleon. i dread the one that shows up after a win. Okay, he called a decent game yesterday. But, I want to see him stay in the Red Bull mode for the next 4 games. I doubt he will because of his history. I think he’s an underachiever. Yeah, he may be a nice guy, but nice guys usually run last in serious sports. Your father analogy is a joke because a good father has more to do with having a son’s respect than his affection. Gruden, for example, wasn’t around long and accomplished a lot. He’s not what most would call a father figure, but he was football smart and won the respect of the team and the owner.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 7, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Compared to the current coaches

Gruden’s tenure was eternity. I’m not sure where Cable’s inconsistent play calling is coming from though. If he’s trying to fake the opponent, if he’s just that confused, or if he’s trying not to rifle any feathers.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just a thought

The Cable project is on its 2nd year and we have 4 wins in each season. If we win only 4 games next year will you agree? I dont know, we’ve beaten some good teams this year and it shows we have some talent here, so why arent we winning the other games? it comes down to coaching. As for Fargas, love his hard nose runnning style, but he makes too much money for a mediocre back. If he’d take a pay cut, then it’d be worth keeping. but, when we have backs that are backing him up just as capable and like I said Bush is a bargain, then we should see what he can do with those guys. Bush has less carries than Mcfadden and Fargas by far, but he finds the endzone at a higher rate. I like Fargas leadership, but if we clear up the cap space, and bring in quality Veterans we’ll be a playoff team. Im sorry, but as long as we’ve had Fargas we havent made the playoffs. He’s subpar and wouldnt start on any other team in the league. Bush will be a free agent at the end of next year and whatever team that guy goes to he’s going to be a beast and we’ll be kicking ourselves. He’s going to be a 1000 yd, 10 t.d running back.. guaranteed!!! listen to me now or mark my words later.

by DvS on Dec 7, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is the first time

That Tom Cable actually has a passing game, and good QB, and a rookie WR with 5 TD’s on the season with over 400 yards. He has a fired up Defense and everything firing at all Cylinders I will Guarantee you that we will not be close to 4-8 this time next year if he is still head coach there is too much talent and too much commitment’s to him more like 8-4 next year but can we give him a chance. As for Fargas keep him it would be idiotic to let him go our best RB come on man

"The Silver and Black are Back" -Greg Papa 2002 AFC Championship game

by nishal26 on Dec 7, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Cable only has half a year last year

this is his first year implementing his system.

As for Fargas, love his hard nose runnning style, but he makes too much money for a mediocre back.

How is he mediocre? He runs up the gut and actually moves the line. McFadden just falls over when touched.

but if we clear up the cap space,

As of right now there is no cap next year

Fargas we havent made the playoffs.

Are you really blaming Fargas for this?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 7, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s subpar and wouldnt start on any other team in the league.

You don’t think so? With a better o-line you think Fargas is just that bad on his own? That’s a shame. I think he’d dominate.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 7, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the thing I lobe is that through sheer hard work

he has proven that regardless of how much everyone (including myself) wants the young guys to take over he is our best back in the system we are running. The numbers don’t lie and he is our leading rusher AGAIN.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Dec 7, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in 117 carries this year.. Fargas has only 2 carries over 20 yds and 1 over 30 (35 to be exact). 0 over 40 yds. Compare that to Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson see how far he is from the best. He averages 1 td a year thru 7 yrs and thats with 800 career carries. far from dominate man. As bad as Mcfadden has been he has twice as many td’s as Fargas in the last 2 years.

by DvS on Dec 7, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're comparing

to other teams w/ good o-lines and had a consistent QB all year so far. We’ve only had a good QB since half way through the 2nd Chief’s game. For once I’m going to say it’s not all about stats. Fargas is capable of helping or on his own move the chains, and that’s as important as getting TD’s because it leads to TD’s.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know why most people are ready to cut DHB when he’s still a rookie. Maybe in a couple of years if nothing turns out, then we can talk. We gave Russell enough years to prove to us that he sucks and he needs to be shown the door. I think McFadden is finally showing some promise especially since he seems to be healthy.
I agree Boldin will more than likely tell us to …. off even if we wave dollar signs to come hear. Re-sign Seymour is a priority. I believe this team is starting to believe in themselves. I also like how announcers are running out of jokes when talking about the Raiders b/c we are showing that we are not the hopeless team they’ve been kicking around. This may be the year that we may get a first round pick outside the top 10 if you call that a good thing.

by Walker Wallace on Dec 7, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think another priority

would to sign Gradkowsi again. If we’re going to keep Russell, fine, but restructure and keep him as #2 for now and try to beat the system into his fat stone brain.

In a perfect world, resign Bruce, cut Russell, draft a QB in 3rd or 4th to be mentored by Gradkoski and sure up the o-line.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A perfect world

Resign Bruce, Cut J-Russ, Mend the O-Line, and draft a dominate DT..Either in Cody or Suh. Help the O-Line in the 2nd. Maybe get a pick for McFadden so we can get a LB in the 2nd also. And yeah, a QB in the third. A project so to say.

by Remix. on Dec 8, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great minds think alike

(the same can be said for other minds). At any rate, this is my dream strategy too. The only thing I’m not sure of right now, vis a vis what we need most, is coaching. Cable can persuade me to want him but he has to be the man he was at Pittsburgh consistently from here on.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 8, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

If we walk away at 6-10 or 7-9, Tom will return. We can easily go 6-10 and possibly 7-9. So Tom probably will return. Which I am fine with. As long as he doesnt coach like he did in Dallas

by Remix. on Dec 8, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Given our talent, we should win the next three

… if Cable is the man for the job. It’s clearly coaching that has held us back most. Whenever the odds are high against us, Tom says ‘fuck-it’ and let’s it hang out because (I believe) he feels the pressure isn’t on him so much – the expectations are lower and he loosens up and goes for it. The worst games he has is when we are supposed to win or be close, then he chokes with conservative play calling and prevent pass protection mode, and status quo player arrangements. Tom is the one with the greatest confidence problem – how is he going to instill confidence in others when he’s scratching for it himself?

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 8, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How much would the cap hit be?

Cutting those huge contracts could hurt us more than help.

I have to look at the numbers

Punjabi by Nature

by Robby1987 on Dec 8, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's 9.45 million

but in as we stand right now there is no cap in 2010.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hes are leading rusher YES, only because he has more carries. subpar? yes.. like Ive said 7 yrs,, 800 carries 8 t.d.s .. thats subpar. 2 of his touchdowns this year were the 1 yd. goal line runs too. No long 20-30 yd break away runs other NFL teams are able to get from time to time. 3.9 yds a carry is subpar. I dont soley blame him for our playoff drought, but he surely doesnt help, by not scoring. And regarding the salary cap. The Raiders will have an Al Davis cap next year. He already had to sell 10percent of the team a few years ago to afford our free agent and rookie signings. Also, after this year and fans not showing up to the park, the Raiders will be strapped next year, salary cap or not. I’ve seen Bush get 15 plus carries 3 times over the past 2 years and hes averaged a t.d. a game and 100 yds a game as the full time back. So I dont blame the O line for all our running woes.

by DvS on Dec 7, 2009 6:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cable is underusing Bush

for some reason. Apparently it was fumble, but I don’t know what the true deal is. I say keep Fargas and Bush, they both can move the chains. Trade McFadden. He’s just not worth keeping around if we have Bush and Fargas.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And stop

essentially pasting the same argument. It’s not all about the Touchdowns with a RB. It’s durability and being able to get yardage and working in the system. You need more than 1 excuse to change people’s minds.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 4:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its not all about TD’s? what do you mean. The Raiders main problem this year is scoring. We’re ranked 31st in the league in scoring. If you dont score you dont win. its not an excuse its fact. Look below at some other RB comparisons. Look at the names, some of the guys are real average backs and he doesnt even compare to those guys. I pulled stats from their last 700-800 carries, some guys only have 400+ carries in the league.
Gore just over 1000 carries 35 tds
Barber 867 carries 46 tds
Maroney 532 carries 21 tds
K Smith (2yrs Det) 434 carries 13 tds
Tomlinson (last 700 carries 39 tds
C. Brown 700 carries 21 tds
Portis 782 carries 22 tds
R Williams 480 carries 22tds
A Peterson 844 carries 35 tds
Addai 823 carries 42 tds
S Jackson 777 carries 18 tds
S. Slaton 399 carries 17 tds
J. Lewis 710 carries 15 tds
C Williams 776 carries 19 tds

by DvS on Dec 8, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the team that's on the field

that leads to the scoring. With a o-line that we’ve had lately it’s amazing that we score at all. If the QB doesn’t have time or the RB doesn’t have holes, how do you expect them to score?

Same with the defense. If they don’ t pressure or break up passes how will we stop the other team from scoring? You’re looking at to 1 dimensionally.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 8, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading McFadden

I would totally agree with this. He isnt being used properly and he probably still has trade value.

by Remix. on Dec 8, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We’ve had two seasons with 4 wins. He is averaging 3.9 yards a carry this year. The running back position isnt a position for a role player. Its the shooting gaurd position of the NFL. I think he’s tough and I like him. But, not with his contract. Like I said, we have a guy behind him with better break away ability in Bush and at 500k a year is a steal. If we dont play Bush and dont give him the carries he deserves come free agent year he is gone and we’re gonna be kicking ourselves when we see this guy tearing up the league. Do you honestly think if Fargas left, hes going to tear up the league and suddenly become a Stephen Jackson? Fargas aint leaving the Raiders and getting a starting job anywhere! Anyways, I wrote this post not to bash Fargas. If you read the intent its about how we could free up like 50 million and become better. Fill Bush in Fargas shoes and we dont lose, we just gain his contract value. We can then go after a veteran OL or DE, or use the money to resign Richard Seymoor. We have too much money invested in one position.

by DvS on Dec 8, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like...

…our running back trio as is; I’d like to see moore Bush than Fargas, and I’d like a healthy McFadden be unleashed, but our problem is not in this area. Our critical need, IMO, is a gap-plugging DL, a nose guard or tackle who can suck up 2-3 blockers and let our ends run havoc with the opposing offense, and plug up the run.

Second priority, IMO, is wide receiver depth. Walker is simply eating up a roster spot. Either play the man or get rid of him. If he can’t hack it find an experienced WR to take his spot. He doesn;t have to be a top-flight speed guy (we have those), but an experienced ‘possession’-type receiver who can go over the middle and bring down anything would be a tremendous boost to our stable of very young receivers, and can teach them much about how the game is played.

Third priority IMO: OL depth. We’ve gotten mixed results with our line this year, but I’d like to get one or two bigger, stronger, and preferably younger guys to BUILD a wall and use it as a weapon. The great Raiders teams of the past had great O-lines with superb individual players (Shell, Upshaw, etc), and we need to work towards that. Our line is ok now, overall, but should get better.

Fourth priority, IMO: QB. I like Gradkowski (and not only because he has a KOW in his name); the fact is it is no longer a luxury to have 2 good QBs on your team capable of starting, it is virtually a requirement. Either get a starting QB to compete with GradKow, and the best man wins, or a capable back up (a la the Vick plan). I am done with JRus, he adds nothing to the Raiders and is sucking up a roster spot. If we can trade him for something, ANYthing, we’d be ahead of the game.

Finally, and this is also very important: get a GM and an offensive coordinator. Big Al no longer has any business performing GM duties, and while I think Cable is a capable coach he needs help running the offense. Enough of this maverick/Al Davis cowflop. Big Al needs to step aside from the day-to-day activities of the team and allow a new group of people between himself and the players. He can still be owner and have administrative duties and all that, but we need a GM and a O-coordinator, preferably one moore in tune with today’s game and today’s athletes, to help the Raiders.

I think this is a good stepping-stone year: we just have to make sure the next steps we take are in the right direction.

:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Dec 9, 2009 7:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We share that First Priority = Nose Gurard or Defensive Tackle

But we part ways after that.
My second priority is the O-Line. Henderson’s doing okay at LT, Walker might be alright at LG, and Gallery might work at RG who know, but we need to draft an Anchoring Center (an OTTO or Dalby type) and another OT (and probably OG).
My third priority (which doesn’t appear in your top five) is MLB; we need to acquire someone who can properly lead the Defense at MLB and discourage teams from attacking our middle – which has been vulnerable all year.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

O-Line ect.

I think some of it may be aquired through FA. My dream draft would go like this. Rd.1-DT Rd.2- OL Rd.3-CB Rd.4 FB Rd.5 QB

by Remix. on Dec 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You, MooCow and I agree on the First Priority = DT (or NG)

You and I agree on Second Priority = OL (fn. at least two good one’s w/ one being a Center)
But we part ways after that – You think our CB situation is more of a problem than our LB situation.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No No No

I beleive our LB situation is too inconsistent. Last week for example, Kirk had a good game, and alot of NFL experts think he’s having a career season. I love Thomas Howard, and I love Kirk too, But with Trevor Scott coming into it, I dont think we can just move Kirk outside and draft an MLB. Now, If we moved to a 3-4, we can easily draft another OLB and move Thomas inside. With a NT and Seymour and Kelly at ends. Nuff said

by Remix. on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool replys

The off season is always fun to talk about. Their is an assortment of paths the Raiders can do to improve. The number one thing is that we all want these Raiders to succeed. I’d like to free money to improve our O-line and D-line via draft or free agency or trade. But thats just my opinion. I was just thinking of ways to get that money. Cool responses even from the guy that asked if Ive ever watched a game. LoL Been a Raiders fan since the first super bowl in the 70’s. Went to a 49ers game in the early 80’s just so I could meet Stabler (who was on Saints) to have him sign my Raider poster. LoL Met Art Shell, Fred Biletnekoff, Touchdown Timmy Brown and a family friend of Steve Beuerlien (ex Raider QB). My blood bleeds silver and black and that comment was offensive and laughable to anyone that has ever met me or knows me! Im the guy walking around in summer wearing my Raiders coat in the 80’s and then see me 20 yrs later at a reunion still sporting the thing. haha.. oh yeah my cars black, my cats black and my 4 kids have worn Raiders Jerseys from infancy to now!! I just got luv for them Raiders and want them to get better.. its just my opinion, on how to try to get in the right direction.

by DvS on Dec 9, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

cable

should be allowed to have one more year at least. with an applicable QB he can finaly dig into the play book a bit more and can open up the running game also. i really like how he is a balanced coach, i think we had a pass-run ratio of 33 to 32 last week?? but i would like to see bush used more, not get rid of fargas though i think thats just redundant. as for mcfadden, i think cable is using him as well as he can. sure he needs more carries but hes been slipped out wide more lately and with someone who goes down by first contact, why would u really wanna use him A LOT? i would like to give kirk another year as well. i think he plays exceptional when he finally has a real NT in front of him. CB depth is a must in the draft as is OL depth. as for the quarterback postion, sure theres vick, but with hackett at QB coach i think project player in the 4th-6th is the way to go. theres plenty of QB’s this year in the draft so why not?

by frank7da2tank on Dec 10, 2009 1:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

drafting a QB is such a crap shoot. If so, I hope we get lucky. I still like the idea of bringing in a proven veteran..

by DvS on Dec 11, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fargas 9 carries 21 yds, just doesnt get the job done. sorry. He’s had 3 games just like this one this year.. look it up. All Losses

by DvS on Dec 13, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What the fuck is your problem w/ him?

He’s not the only player on the team. He had the only touch down for the Raiders today. Funny you’re not mentioning that. Stop being a fucking troll. The reason why we lose games is bad play calling and Russell. It’s not Fargas’ fault we only gave him the ball 9 times is it? He’s not the coach.
 
I don’t see you complaining about McFadden who was only .3 more ypg but no touch down. Put Fargas behind a better o-line and he’d be unstoppable. Of course you want Michael Vick to come here, so I guess whatever. Fargas helps moves the chains.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Dec 13, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ITS JUST FRUSTRATING TO WATCH. FIRST, YOU COULD HAVE SCORED THAT TOUCHDOWN ON THE 1 YD. LINE (NOW HE HAS THREE 1 YD TD’S THIS YEAR: WHAT A PLAY MAKER). MCFADDEN MADE PLAYS TODAY,, LOOK AT HIS YARDAGE TODAY 2 RECEPTIONS OVER 30 YDS, YOUR BOY FARGAS HASNT MADE ONE PLAY THIS YEAR OVER 30 YDS, BESIDES A 3RD DOWN AND 20 WITH 2 SECONDS LEFT IN THE HALF WHEN WE NEEDED TO GO 80 YDS THAT MEANT NOTHING.. SECONDLY,, WHAT? FARGAS MOVED WHAT CHAINS TODAY? HE WOULD HAVE MADE 100 YDS IF HE HAD 50 CARRIES TODAY.

by DvS on Dec 13, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

why are you blaming him for the plays the coaches call? yea mcfadden had plays as a WR. he doesnt make many as a RB. he just falls or gets hurt.

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