Crabtree missing combine...good or bad for raiders

by naq92 on Feb 21, 2009 7:55 PM PST Comment 45 comments

So, on my home from today's sharks game i heard the latest interesting tidbit about the 2009 nfl draft. link

It's obvious that perhaps the raiders biggest need for the team this year is at WR. This injury may have allowed us to snag the best receiver and maybe the best overall athlete at pick #7.

We can still definitely fix our WR problem through FA with huge names such as Housh, Boldin, and maybe some high-risk/high reward guys like TO and Plax (although I would definitely stay away from them).

Just wanted to hear what you guys think about Crabtree and whether or not this makes him possible to go to us at #7. or maybe we should stay away from him because of the injury...?

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We can’t fix our wide receiver problem with Houshmandzadeh and Boldin when we had to release Wilson just to stay afloat.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 21, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

yes

im tired of reading bout how the raiders should go for all these stud free agents when we cant even keep our own players with out going under!

lets put it this way…this off season wont be as “glamorous” as we thought last season was. when last off season unfolded we all got optimistic and excited by seeing those big name players come in…there is no way we can afford that kinda spending spree again so we wont be big time players this off season…we have to hope our draft is real real solid for sure otherwise its gonna be all bad :(..

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by Robby1987 on Feb 24, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wouldnt be so sure about that

teams ALWAYS find ways to stay under the salary cap despite who theyve signed…

i think we’ve been saying the raiders have been in shitty financial shape ever since they started losing. besides, cant we just incredibly backload any deals we make w/possible free agents so we will just pay them more once the salary cap is gone?

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by naq92 on Feb 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure we had to release Wilson

from the reports I am reading the Raiders felt he underperformed and didn’t want to pay the roster bonus money, or his salary either. I thought he played well, but what do I know?
Apparently the coaches didn’t think he did, and doubt if he made friends with his “circus” comment after Hall was let go. The one thing I know about Al is that if he wants a player, money has never stood in his way. You have never heard the Raiders complain about the salary cap preventing them from getting who they want.
I think there is a new sheriff in town and doubt the Raiders will be very active in the free agent market. That is just my guess from what I have read.

by Laoren on Feb 21, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i think i read the same thing

besides, if we were gonna cut someone to stay afloat…im pretty sure it would be kwame

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by naq92 on Feb 21, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that after watching the last 2 games

that the Raiders need a wide receiver that bad. Higgins and Schilens played very well and we still have Javon Walker who’s one of the highest paid receivers in the league. Drew Carter is possibly a good receiver but I doubt it after seeing his lackluster career in Carolina. Todd Watkins and John Holland didn’t really get much of a chance to show what they can do and Lelie had a few good games until he got injured (especially against his former team, Denver.)

Personally I think we need to get the best available OT with the #7 pick to start at LT and move Henderson to RT. That will dramatically improve our O-line and Russell will get better too. Kwame Harris and Cornell Green are the two big reasons on why our offense wasn’t very good last season. I’m sure there will be a good receiver available in the 2nd round still.

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by thepunisher00187 on Feb 21, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

+1

by nateoak10 on Feb 21, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

but isn’t there other OTs we could get later??

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by naq92 on Feb 21, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No

Stupid experiments like that are the reason why the O-line has sucked for the last few years, moving players around from one position to another just stops their ability to perfect their position.

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by raiderlalo81 on Feb 22, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We don’t need a wide receiver!

Jerry Porter is coming to save us!

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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 22, 2009 12:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

It is a bad thing

but we all know what he can do. Also, The sharks game was awesome. i wouldn’t have gone today because of all the kids but I like how they showed how good they were. Third period was great.

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by Rayder K on Feb 22, 2009 12:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i know!!

i must say it’s weird watching any sporting event and expecting my team to win.

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by naq92 on Feb 22, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he will drop becase he skipped the combine

That being said, it means either he’s injured, or he’s (or his agent) afraid his stock will fall. Cable said how important it was not to waist draft picks so, Crabtree would be risky pick.

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by RUKidding on Feb 22, 2009 5:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

first off

I don’t consider WR much of a need (please draft Heyward-Bey) seeing as how Higgins and Schilens are pretty good starters, all we need is depth. No one knows how good Shields is yet and Watkins hardly even played.

I also don’t see this being a big thing for Oakland as I’m 100% positive that Crabtree will go to Seattle. However if he drops to Oakland, I’m not so sure Al will “have” to draft him. Seeing as how he’s opposed to the idea of drafting WR in the first. I still see Monroe coming here.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 22, 2009 6:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Which

I still don’t mind. Skip Andre Smith, that kid. and i mean little kid. Oher didn’t look too good either. Jasonn Smith did okay. Monroe also did okay.

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by Rayder K on Feb 22, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I agree

Seattle will draft crabtree, I read a combine report with Jim Mora jr. praising Crabtree and it seemed very convincing to me that he was going to draft him regardless of his injury. So its looking more like the Raiders are goin to get B.J. Raji.

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by raiderlalo81 on Feb 22, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That sounds good too

DT and OT are the Raiders two most pressing needs this offseason. LB, WR, SS, and FS are the next priorities.

I would welcome B.J. Raji with the 7th overall pick if he is available.

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by thepunisher00187 on Feb 22, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh god I hope not

all we need is to sign Bernard and a mid-round guy. DT doesn’t require a first-rounder. In fact that’s probably the need that doesn’t need drafted for within the first three rounds (except for S depending on who ends up starting) We need a solid OT for the future. Monroe fits that bill perfectly. But back to DT. Look at who we have:

Kelly- Didn’t play up to contract, but played to the level of a typical starting DT in the NFL

Sands- better than last year, did pretty good at stopping the run, not good in pass game. most likely to be cut soon

Warren- Our best penetration guy. Good as a pass rusher and decent as a run stopper

All we need is to just get Bernard to have a official run-stopper and a rotation guy to fill in for whoever gets worn out. We don’t need a high-priced guy at a position that’s already got a lot of money dumped in it. We have much bigger needs.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 22, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We can't stop the run

We have finished last or 30th and worse for the past few years. It’s time to get someone to stop the run and plug the gaps so we don’t keep getting rolled on and teams will actually start throwing at Nnamdi.

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by thepunisher00187 on Feb 22, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yup

we need to stop the run, select a MLB linebacker. Problem solved.

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by raiderlalo81 on Feb 23, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

+1

agreed 100%

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 23, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

or maybe we can go and get

ray lewis? or bart scott? t think saint mentioned this somewhere…but i think its much more beneficia to address our run D (and probly WR, too) throug free agency.

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by naq92 on Feb 23, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lewis is either going to the Jets or Dallas

but Scott would be nice to see in Oakland.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 24, 2009 4:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wat linebacker spot

does scott play? im pretty sure he plays on the outside…but does he play on ricky browns side?

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by naq92 on Feb 24, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the Ravens run 3-4

and he plays MLB beside Lewis. But he can play either outside spot.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 25, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

3-4

o ya. i forgot about that.

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by naq92 on Feb 25, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

MLB and DT

are issues. A good MLB and a DT similar to Shaun Rogers would make our defense stellar.

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by thepunisher00187 on Feb 23, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

read a bunch of mock drafts

here’s the major consensus on Oakland’s predicted picks as it stands:

(ordered from what I’ve seen the most to the least)

1st. round:
Jermey Maclin/Eugene Monroe (it’s like a tie)
BJ Raji
Michael Oher
Rey Maualuga
trade pick for Eagles picks where we receive Mack and Hayward-Bey

2nd. round
Hayward-Bey
Alex Mack
Ron Brace
Michael Johnson
Unger
Brinkley

3rd. round
only mock I saw with a third round had us getting Brinkley

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 23, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i think we saw many of the same mock drafts

and a lot of those said we draft crabtree if for w/e reason he falls to us. this mite let him fall to us

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by naq92 on Feb 23, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't see the Seahawks passing up on him though

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 24, 2009 4:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seakawks will pass him up 4 sure

WR just isnt one of there needes everything eles is but they have deion branch and next the browns have Braylon Edwards then the bangles who have chad and possibly T J so that leaves it up to us and i think we will get him great asset to J-Russ big time WR since Rice And Tim Brown

by nishal26 on Feb 24, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

actually chad might be out too

he doesn’t want to be there and nobody on the team wants him there.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 24, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

damn

thats brutal. losing chad and housh in the same off-season

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by naq92 on Feb 24, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hay

it will really make the team a better character team. By character, i mean respectable. Not loud mouth.

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by Rayder K on Feb 24, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no that place is still a character wasteland

Chris Henry and Cedric Benson will still be there.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 25, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good

Teams think he will be a risk taking him and he will consenquentley fall to our pick…if were daring we will take him…if we were smart we wold take an O-LINE men

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by Vanilla on Feb 25, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I can almost guarantee

that a lineman will be picked with our #7 pick. If both Monroe and J.Smith are gone, then I think you’ll see Raji be picked there.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 25, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice picks Kaizer

the offseason is pretty exciting. :D

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by thepunisher00187 on Feb 25, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

my favorite time of the year

always has been, always will be. So much analysis involved. I’ve always kinda seen myself as a good NFL scout or GM.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 25, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

me too

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by Rayder K on Feb 25, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ur favorite time of the year is the offseason?

i guess thats what happens when u win 4 games every year.

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by naq92 on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not me

I was agreeing with the scout part

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by Rayder K on Feb 25, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

it so fun to dissect your team and figure what’s needed where, what needs upgraded, who needs released, who needs out/in on the coaching staff, which players to trade, which players to sign, which players to draft and when, it’s all so exciting. I’m an overall analysis kinda guy so this is like heaven for me.

And Mason said to god, "May my clutch shots go in" And God said, "Yes. Yes they may my son"

by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2009 4:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs