Oakland Raiders Trade For Miami C Satele
by LiveAdam on Mar 22, 2009 10:28 PM PDT
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The Miami Herald is reporting that the Raiders have traded an undisclosed draft pick for Miami C Samson Satele.
In a move that confirms the Dolphins' desire to transition newly signed center Jake Grove into the starting job, Miami traded center Samson Satele to the Oakland Raiders for an undisclosed draft pick, two sources said Sunday night.
Satele, a second-round pick in 2007, started every game he played for Miami over the past two seasons since former coach Cam Cameron and former general manager Randy Mueller drafted him.
However, the team's new regime decided it was time for an upgrade after Satele struggled to deal with some of the bigger nose tackles in the AFC East, specifically the Jets' Kris Jenkins and the Patriots' Vince Wilfork.
Although Grove does not have much more size than Satele (both weigh about 300 pounds, but Grove is an inch taller at 6-4), the Dolphins believe his skill set makes him better equipped to handle the bigger players that concern Miami.
Selected in the 2nd round of the 2007 Draft, Satele started all 32 games for the Dolphins, committing only 6 penalties and giving up only 6.5 sacks over that span. Satele should be able to be plugged into the starting lineup immediately and provide nearly the same play that Jake Grove provided.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we gave up our 4th round pick for Satele.
Thoughts on Satele's joining the Raiders?
UPDATE: David White at SFGate is reporting that the Raiders gave Miami their 6th round pick and swapped 4th round picks. All in all a pretty good deal for Satele.
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Well, like the article says, he has started all 32 games in his career. He’s ready to come in and contribute. I like this trade.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 22, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Hope
It was not our 4th pick. Please, please, o , please. I hope it was the 6th or 7th.
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by Rayder K on Mar 22, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say we gave up a 6th
Satele was not a system fit for the Dolphins as they required a guy who could take on the big NT’s of the AFC East mano a mano (good luck with Grove doing that). Satele did play with a torn labrum through most of last season, he had surgery after the season and is fully recovered.
He’s excellent at pulling and setting up screens is very quick and will fit well in our ZBS. After reading many of the Dolphins blogs, most do not like the trade as they are uncertain about Grove and they liked Satele and his versatility. Most of the bloggers said the Dolphins better have received a 2nd or a 3rd and anything less than a forth, they will be highly disappointed.
This tells me that the Raiders were not the least bit impressed with Duke Preston and though they may still draft a center, Satele is better than what they could have drafted in rounds 4 through 7.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 23, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6th or 7th pick?
i would doubt it for a center i think we would have given them 4th or 5th atleast but it does replace Grove at center.
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by nishal26 on Mar 22, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my bad not 5th but 6th
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by nishal26 on Mar 22, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Check This Out
It might be a 7th pick after all. i hope.
http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/962927.html
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by Rayder K on Mar 22, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thet traded
a 6th round pick
swapped picks in the fourth round
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by Jagjivan on Mar 24, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing Offical Yet
Just Jamarcus Baby!
by nishal26 on Mar 22, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Samson Satele
Here is what Scout’s Inc. says about Satele:
Satele is coming off a very solid rookie season where he was one of the bright spots in a dismal Dolphins season. He has adequate size with good strength and athleticism. He was a versatile player coming out of college, who played center, guard and tackle. He can snap and step well to gain leverage in a confined area. He works with great body balance and positioning. He uses his hands well and runs his feet to stay connected. Samson is a hard-nosed intense blocker who finishes often. He has good pop and punch with his hands to engage defenders as well as solid foot agility and lateral quickness at the point of attack. Satele can pull and get on the perimeter when uncovered and is able to hit a target downfield. He has power on combination blocks to get movement on interior zone-running plays. He can scoop block on the backside or chip to the second level on combination blocks. Satele is a solid gun snapper with consistent quickness and accuracy. He is a smart player who shows great awareness and reactions to changing fronts as well as blitz packages.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 23, 2009 3:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dang he sounds pretty good.
I hope we didn’t trade our fourth as I’d like to see us draft Otis Sidbury or Terrence taylor in the fourth, but if we did, I’m fine with it. This is a pretty good move on Oakland’s part. A young guy with a lot to bring to the table. I still would have loved it if we could have drafted Max Unger.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 23, 2009 4:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is good
and now we finnally have a good young Center
I saw him play some games in Miami and he was pretty iimpressive
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by Jagjivan on Mar 24, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very smart!
This guy played very well and from what I’ve heard from people who know him,has good character. He’s quick,smart,and durable(started 33 stright games). Not overpowering, but he really doesent need to be in ZBS.
Rumor has it it’s for a 6th. Taking care of a glaring need early is very refreshing
Go raiders!!!
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by RUKidding on Mar 23, 2009 4:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Samson Satele has more potential in the ZBS at the Center position
Then any Center in the draft. The Fins’ ran a ZBS system his rookie year and the results were outstanding now that they have a center in Grove that matches their power style he was expendable. Can this offseason get any better? YES it CAN!
by DarthDavis on Mar 23, 2009 5:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now where do we go?
So I am one of those who thinks crabtree will fall to us at 7 and we grab him.
I was also thinking we might grab our center in the 2nd.
Now that we have our center, where do we go in the 2nd rnd and later? Defensive line and linebackers?
by gl12ox05 on Mar 23, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
6th round and swapping picks in an undisclosed round
From ESPN:
The trade was first reported by the Miami Herald and confirmed Monday morning by representatives for both players. Miami will receive a sixth-round pick from Oakland and the two sides will swap selections in an undisclosed round, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 23, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didnt read all the way
and repeated wat u said
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by Jagjivan on Mar 24, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!! FREAKING WOW!!!!!
I wanted Satele two years ago, and I am very Glad that he is here. I think that Mack and Unger will be gone and Satele is as good or better than Wood or Luigs and is a HUGE system upgrade over Grove.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Mar 23, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Phinsider
I requested some insight about Satele from the Dolphins blog and this is what they say:
You’ll probably like what you see…
out of Satele. He’s made for zone blocking. He’s not that large, but is quite mobile, despite what people will tell you. He has the ability to get to the next level which is crucial in zone blocking. Quick enough to pick up what comes at him, but not really strong enough to handle the one on one battles with larger nose tackles. He will struggle with Williams, so he’s not an upgrade over Grove in that aspect.
Jamal Williams vs Satelle
if I were you I would be worried
If you are a pass happy team he is ok…he came outta Hawaii so he is quick on his feet.
I just see him as not tough enough and lacking size to be a real run blocker.
Not Happy
I’m kind of disappointed with this trade. Even though Satele was overmatched at times, he held his own and i thought a fair battle at training camp against Grove was the best thing for this team. And with the argument that he wasn’t a Parcell guy I think is not accurate. He played with a bummed shoulder and as far as I can remember he did not sit out even one game. Also what could hurt if he slid down the guard spot while being an emergency back up IF Grove does beat him out. He was cheap and still young and could only get better in time. Sorry but IMO this was a bad move specially since we drafted him in the 2nd round and now it seems that we traded him with a very low conditional pick. What a waste!
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 23, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If satele was traded for anything less than our 2nd rounder, then it is a win for the raiders
Think about it. He is a proven starter who was drafted in the second round. Usually when a player proves he can play in this league and is traded it usually goes for a higher round pick than before. Except in the cases of disgruntled players like Randy moss traded for 4th round pick. And satele gives us another mobile center and strengthens a position a position where we werent to solid.
As for the second round and beyond and what this does for our needs, I think if clay mathews is available in the early second we take him, even though he looks like a first round lock. If he is gone, i really really like patrick chung from oregon at ss. I know there has been talk of branch plying ss, but i feel he should be our free safety because he is much more athletic than hiram eugene and has alot more promise than mike huff. Until huff shows me something, i cant pencil him in anywhere.
Another outside shot and this would be more of a sexy pick than useful is to take sean smith from utah. Think of a mirror image of nnamdi. 6’3’’ 210 lbs. and amazing ball skills. Played free safety in college, but is athletic enough to play corner.
I dont really feel we will be looking to grab a DT in this draft past our 1st pick. However i do think we will select another DE in the later rounds. I really like lawrence sidbury from richmond. Quick as hell and has dwight freeney like spin move, will be available in the 4th round.
I do feel like the raiders will draft another tight end though. One player i am hoping teams forget about is cornelius ingram from florida. One of the fastest tight ends in this draft, mayock has said if he wasnt injured all of this last season he would be fighting with pettigrew for the top TE spot.
And i do also feel the raiders will get another guard. I love louis vasquez. Mean as shit, huge (6’5 330 lbs.), rarely got beat one on one in passing situations and has shown the ability to get out on screen passes with agility and speed. A steal in the 6th round.
A huge need for us is strong side linebacker, or perhaps middle if we move morrison outside. Brinkley in the 3rd would be awesome, and everyone he is unanimous with that, but lets say he is gone by then and we didnt get mathews in the 2nd. I say the with the 3rd round pick we should get either darry beckwith from lsu(6’0’’ 240lbs), clint sintim from Virginia(6’2’’ 255 lbs), or zach follett from cal(6’2’’ 235 lbs). I Think follett will be availabe later, but i really like him. He plays balls our and is an enforcer. He brings a nastieness to our linebacking core that i dont think we have. Morrison and howard are still awesome, but neither are true enforcers like ray lewis was or patrick willis is right now.
And i forgot the dudes name from western illinois, but it was a real common first and a real common last name. And he is big and ran like 4.4, so id be down if we got him as a developmental guy.
by posey440 on Mar 23, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Williams
That’s the OLB from Western Illinois you’re thinking of. He’s got to be a “great player” in Al’s eyes based on his speed alone. Didn’t hurt that he had a ton of tackles and tackles for loss in college. Late round pick for sure.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 23, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is big
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/22/report-lions-begin-negotiating-with-no-1-pick/
There is talk that the Lions have been negotiating with players laready. If i am a raide fan i am hoping they take matthew stafford. If stafford is taken no. 1, then every player falls in line to where the raiders have a very real possibility of taking michael crabtree. If stafford is not taken no. 1, then the likelyhood of crabtree falling to the raiders shrinks, but is not eliminated.
AKA Raider fans hope and pray that the Lions take matthew stafford and that we get crabtree. But mainly i dont really care who gets who as long as the raiders get crabtree. lol.
by posey440 on Mar 23, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Most "experts"
have the Lions negotiating with Jason Smith. The Crabtree possibilities don’t necessarily shrink as Seattle may very well take a QB.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 23, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are very right
After looking at it, Stafford to seattle is a very real possibility. Hassellbeck is going to turn 34 probably during week 3 of this next season, and matt stafford just turned 21. Hasselbeck is not getting any younger and has been injury prone a bit as of late. And as for seattle taking an offnesive tackle they resigned ray willis, they still have walter jones, and they also have sean locklear who has played very well. And they gave out big money for TJ housh, so probably no tackle, and traded for a DT/DE in redding and just signed colin cole to nose, so that probably means no BJ raji. I cant believe people arent talking about stafford to seattle more.
by posey440 on Mar 23, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lions are known for taking WR
Maybe they’ll take Crabtree off our hands for us… MAN i hope so. LOL
by Black and Silver Express on Mar 23, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A terrific trade by the Raiders
The O line is young and fast, perfect for zone blocking. Carlisle and
Green who might be released are the only guys with any age on them at all. This off season has been terrific, no high priced guys controlling a locker room. Cable is building this team in his image, that is a good thing. It is interesting what they do next, do they still sign Preston, if so, then Satele might be moving to RG. Probably an ideal position for him.
I still think the Raiders will draft a center in the 2nd round unless they are absolutely in love with Satele at center. The draft will tell us a lot about how Cable feels about his team. If they go OT in the first then they are not sold on Pears or Barnes, if they go with DT then they are uncomfortable with Sands/Warren. If they go receiver then they don’t think much of Shields.
by Laoren on Mar 23, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
should they think much of shields?
the dude did miss all of last yr…
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Mar 23, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they do
they drafted him before Schilens, he is taller, and faster than Crabtree and was explosive in a minor conference which might mean he is not that good. In this case I just have to trust the scouting, I felt last years draft was excellent considering the Raiders only had 5 picks (I think). Branch and Shields both got hurt but the Raiders said they really liked both players, time will tell. I keep harping on the same thing, all the receivers not named Higgins were hurt last year so obviously the receiving corp looked weak, not to mention a quasi rookie QB who was jerked around between 3 different offensive coaches. I just don’t feel the need for a receiver in the first round, not when other very talented and fast receivers will be available in the 3rd round.
by Laoren on Mar 24, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
such as Demetrius Byrd or Ramses Barden
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 24, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shields expolsion of the line reminds me of
Wes Welker, he had the best combine by far last year out of the WR’s, amazing burst and acceleration. I would like to add Mike Wallace to this years crop as he is someone that brings a different game, down the field, 4.27 40 at his proday and a 40 inch vertical. That dude smells like a Raider!
by DarthDavis on Mar 25, 2009 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
update
Satele price tag: a pick and a swap
The Raiders gave up their sixth-round pick in April’s draft to acquire center Samson Satele from the Dolphins, a league source familiar with the deal told The Chronicle.
The teams also swapped fourth-round picks, dropping the Raiders from the eighth pick of that round to 26th (an 18-slot difference, for those who hate doing the math).
The Raiders’ sixth-round pick was also the eighth of that round. This trade leaves them with five picks — the same number they had in last year’s seven-round draft, which was their smallest class in franchise history.
That doesn’t exactly mesh with new coach Tom Cable’s blueprint of building through the draft, so feel free to expect the Raiders to get another draft pick by trading on of their own before the draft — much as they did last year by shipping cornerback Fabian Washington to the Ravens.
As it stands, the Raiders pick No. 7 overall in the first round, followed by picks in the second, third, fourth and seventh rounds.
As for the draft, Satele makes it unnecesssary to draft a center with one of those precious few picks. A second-round draft pick in 2007, he has two years remaining on his rookie contract with base salaries of $460,000 and $550,000. as a 32-game starter in two years, he should be expected to start if the Raiders deemed him worth a draft pick and swap.
Yes, all of Cable’s eyeballing of Cal center Alex Mack last week seems to have been for nothing.
Lost pick aside, that’s a good bargain compared to the deal departed Raiders starter Jake Grove got. The Raiders tried to re-sign Grove for a month but they weren’t going to match the Dolphins’ five-year, $29 million deal with $14.5 million guaranteed.
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by los_raiders on Mar 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would expect the Raiders
to try and trade Walter for a pick, he should be worth a 6th round pick, shouldn’t he? There are a lot of teams in need of a QB. However I am shocked at how few teams are willing to give a pick for much better players. Go figure, the Dolphins used a 2nd on Satele, the Raiders got him for a 6th two years later. Moss went for a 4th, and other very good players didn’t bring much. Teams value their picks very highly.
by Laoren on Mar 23, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good move
if its for a 4th round pick or worse
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so with the second round pick
I think you’ll see oakland take either a pass rushing DE like Barwin or Kruger, a run stuffing DT in Hood or Brace, a safety in maybe Vaughn or Pegues, or one of the many LB out there; outside or inside.
My official second round pick is Chip Vaughn
V.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 23, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't sleep on my boy
Jarrod Gilbert, I know he is not a popular name but you will be surprised by what you find on him. He is a real LE and will have a great rookie campaign spelling Burgess or playing non-passing downs. Think about the typical LE, I know J-Rich is a fit but I like what he brings at the RE with Scott spelling him. And both Richardson and Gilbert have the ability to come inside much like the Giants do with their DE’s.
But I agree Chip Vaughn is my favorite safety prospect but I think David Bruton is a better value, with who is on the table where. If we were to draft a RE we might find ourselves in a difficult situation as Scott develops into a full time starter. Which would not be the case if we found a legit LE in our trademark 4-3 defense.
by DarthDavis on Mar 23, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert, Scott, etc.
Gilbert reminds me of Tommy Kelly, playing a little bit of LE and 3-technique tackle. Based on what he’s done this offseason he’s definitely looking like a 2nd round prospect. Based on his numbers, he’s obviously been very productive at his time at San Jose State. However, I’m not sure if LE is that big of a need if Richardson can be the base end and spelled by a rush specialist in passing situations. I still see NT as a bigger need for the Raiders along the D-line, since the Raiders only have Sands on the depth chart, with Kelly, Warren, and Joseph all 3-technique guys.
I don’t see Scott becoming a starter at RDE. If he were to bulk up enough to be competent as a run stopper I fear he would put on too much weight and lose his speed which is making him an effective pass rusher. I still think the Raiders need to find a true base RDE to replace Burgess once he’s gone. I still really like Brian Orakpo.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 23, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Advantage of drafting Raji
You can now make more interesting rotations in the D Line. Maybe move Kelly to DE every now and then on run situations. Burgess will start this year and will probably do great as it is his contract year.
And as much as people hate Jay Richardson because his lack of sacks, he really is great against the run. The real problem of our run Defense is a lack of a NT and a linebacker that has better instincts for stopping the run.
And I agree with Chip Vaughn being interesting, however some of the video I’ve seen of him dangerously reminds me of Huff. But we’ll see
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by ATarHeel on Mar 23, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell Me That Wan't Beastly
Wow!
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by Rayder K on Mar 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is sad
For that offensive linemen and the running back Raji kinda looks like me in the future with the Cougars
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by nishal26 on Mar 23, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
shut up man ur hella cocky
u probaly never even played DT
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by Jagjivan on Mar 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you never know
you’d never guess i played DE/OLB/TE in high school.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 25, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but I actually think we just need a quality run guy to play alongside Richardson. After all he can’t do it all on his own. I’m thinking Sidbury in the fourth would be a nice pick up. But since we’re now farther back in the fourth, he might not be there.
My mock right now:
1st. Crabtree
2nd. Hood/Brace
3rd. Vaughn
4th. Brinkley
5th. n/a
6th. n/a
7th. best run stopping DE
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 23, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would imagine that the NT would normally line up next to Richardson at LDE to secure the “run side” of the O-line, and allow the UT and RDE to get man-to-man matchups in their pass rush.
Current Dream Draft:
Brian Orakpo, Brian Robiskie, Jasper Brinkley, DT
by LiveAdam on Mar 25, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey love your dream draft sig
your NT idea intrigues me, but I’d like to see two run stoppers at DE for first and maybe second down. If we load one side for the run, and one side for the pass, the opposing offense would merely shit the blocking or switch the direction of the run play to take advantage of the mismatch. I’m more in favor of a personnel-by-downage scheme, instead of a personnel-by-tendency scheme.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 25, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That risk exists
Defenses are usually reactionary, and so while most O-lines are geared toward the run on their right side and geared toward pass protection on the left, the same goes for the defensive line. Still, there are many times where you’ll see Tommy Kelly tell Gerard Warren to switch places with him pre-snap, so the line is also dynamic enough to make those changes. I think Richardson and Orakpo would provide the right balance of pass rush and run support to be the correct DEs for the Raiders, with nickel pass rushing specialists like Scott backing them up.
Current Dream Draft:
Brian Orakpo, Brian Robiskie, Jasper Brinkley, DT
by LiveAdam on Mar 25, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
assuming Orakpo’s there. If not, we can find a pass rusher.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 25, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Base RDE
I’d rather find our base RDE of the future. Burgess is in a contract year and we’ve had trouble counting on him the past two years due to injury. Our need for an every down RDE is much greater than that of a pass rush specialist.
Unfortunately most of the DE prospects in this year’s draft seem to be suited for the 3-4, either being OLB or 5 technique DEs. There are only a few DEs that I would classify as base 4-3 DEs, with Orakpo and Ayers being the top two prospects. Many classify Sidbury as a pass rush specialist, but I think he can get a little bit bigger without losing his speed and be amazing.
Current Dream Draft: Brian Orakpo, Brian Robiskie, Jasper Brinkley, DT
by LiveAdam on Mar 25, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I said to another guy who brought up the RDE
“I love this draft but one thing. Why would we draft LE Jarron Gilbert when we already have a drafted LE in Jay Richardson?”
my response
Great Question:
My answer may seem unconnected at first but bare with me and my length of response.
Richardson obviously has the ability to play both the LE and RE position. And he should remain at the RE position in a starters Role until Trevor Scott is ready to enter the starting line up. Derrick Burgess is a RE who refuses to play there out of the comfort he has in using his athleticism to outmatch RT’s. Burgess being at the LE position kills our run defense and turns our front 4 into more of a resemblance of a cover 2 front 4. Many people agree with drafting a DE in the draft. But if we were to draft RAK, Maybin, or Brown for example they would be our long term starter at the RE position and we would be making a big investment toward Scott not being our long term answer at RE. I am not saying Scott is the answer but what do we have to lose in holding out on a high RE draft choice and seeing how he (Scott) performs this year, as he is beefing up and showed up as a top rookie DE in his limited play, for a more clear decision on him in the offseason of the 2010 season. Then on the other side we have Burgess facing a contract year and he clearly is best suited at the LE position as a situational pass rusher and Cable has hinted at this. Thus, drafting Jarron Gilbert balances our DE’s and rightfully so, he may be not Day 1 but he will be starting surely into the early part of the season. With him there we have a real LE there with Burgess spelling him and coming in on passing downs, just as Richardson is at the RE position with Scott spelling him and coming in on passing downs. Next year Burgess leaves (which I believe he will), we have Scott at RE, Richardson who can play both LE and RE, and Jarron Gilbert at LE. Gilbert is a 4-3 LE, and I think he is the best in the draft at such a position. He has the athleticism to get to the passer, bat the ball down, and the strength/agility/balance to be a terror in the running lanes. Also if we were to draft Raji and have Kelly at UT we would have the best inside pass rush, so having Richardson and Gilbert would not weaken our pass rush at all, in fact according to this it would be stronger on both fronts the run and pass.
by DarthDavis on Mar 26, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
and good plan. I also believe that Burgess won’t be retained and should be used on passing downs only. Scott will develop and if he can avoid being pushed around he will become an impact player not just a situational one. We also have Greyson Gunheim whois raw, but may well develop into a nice base end.
I love the idea of Gilbert (measurables, versatility and upside) even better than RAK. Which pick do you think we could get Gilbert at?
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 26, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the reply
I think he would have to go at #40 I can see a lot of teams looking for him in the mid 2nd as he is a bargain coming from his lesser known school and Bay Area connected San Jose State. He can fit the 3-4 but was a dominate LE last year in a 4-3 scheme. I would crap myself if we were able to draft him at #71. I know Cable wants more picks and I wouldn’t mind trading with Atlanta for #55 and #90 as they will be looking hard at Jamon Meredith for their vacancy at RT. We could then use #90 on Chris Clemons to back up Huff at SS and Clemons even has the game for the FS position. But in all honesty we are gonna get shafted at #40 if people think first round value guys are gonna slip there, so I would go with Gilbert at #40 unless we could trade down like I said with Atlanta which is also even trade value points wise.
by DarthDavis on Mar 26, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing the talent load
of this year’s draft, would you trade 2010 choices to get more picks being as the Raiders have very few tradable commodities this year?
It’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot as the Raiders really could use at least 9 picks this year. Especially with their cautious and minimalist approach to free agency this year.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 26, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not A Chance
Gilbert is soaring up draft boards and is likely a late 1st round pick now, or at the very least gone in the top 10 of the second round. He’s not going to make it to the third.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 26, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
From what I hear at The Dolphins blog, Satele was a good player. He is agile, but not as strong. Not an upgrade over Jake Grove, but a lot more potential. He can also be moved to guard where he is a dream player. He is young and I think is a good pick now. I like the facts we didn’t not move out of the 4th round. All we had to do was give the 6th pick, but tell me a player better than Satele in the 6th? GREAT PICK RAIDERS. Tom Cable, you got yourself a great ZB line now. Make something out of them baby!
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by Rayder K on Mar 23, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea but
he ed hi team in sacks allowed with 4.5
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by Jagjivan on Mar 25, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he's gotten better every year
and in our ZBS he should be a better than Miami’s hybrid scheme.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
hopefuly he turns out really good
dont want our trades to be wasted
but in this case we really didnt LOSE anything
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by Jagjivan on Mar 26, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
all we would have got in the sixth is maybe a depth guy.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 26, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells' Arrogance
Parcells’ arrogance about getting value draft picks helped us in this situation.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 26, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAKING MOVES
Solid FA pick-up. Like how the Oline is coming together. Draft Choices are getting better an better.
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by 8fog3town1 on Mar 23, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this wasn't a FA move
it was a trade
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 24, 2009 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know enough to say one way or another but my thoughts ad highlights.
1) Essentially we swap Grove, a 6th rnd and swap 18 spots in 4th rnd for Satele.
2) Everything I read says this will not be an upgrade over Grove as things stand now so if you thought we needed a center with Grove we probably still need one.
3) Satele is much less expensive the Grove.
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by Ovale Fan on Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GOOD TRADE THOUGH
Satele is to fill a need and now maybe theres competition in the offseason
with the line getting some type of upgrade the picks in the draft could
go to crabtree or curry
some type of playmaker now should be the likely pick in the first n second rounds
by bizy_b on Mar 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jamarcus had trouble with taking snaps from center last year
Jamarcus is a tall guy, this is a smaller center, hows this going to work out
My wish would be trade down, get Alex Mack(6’5"), and somehow trade back up and get DHB.
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by RUKidding on Mar 25, 2009 5:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JaMarcus
didn’t have so much a problem taking snaps as much as he did holding the ball preparing to pass. This is where the experience and capabilities of QB Coach, Paul Hackett will be useful.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 25, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Its giong to take time for all the new pieces to fall into place
its going to be fun to watch!
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by RUKidding on Mar 25, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We better hope that Cutler leaves
If he does leave that would be like a automatic win for us i don’t even know there back up QB. There defense will be no match for our high powered offense of next year it should be a blow out game.
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by nishal26 on Mar 25, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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