Oakland Raiders: S&BP Raiders 2008 Player Achievement Awards - Part III: Defensive Player of the Year
by TheRaiderWay on Mar 27, 2009 8:57 AM PDT
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In a very competitive poll, the winner of the Silver and Black Pride Most Improved Player of the Year, goes to Johnnie Lee Higgins with 37% of the vote.
Now it's time for the S&BP community to turn its attention the part III in the series: Defensive Player of the Year.
Since the Raiders defense, with a few exceptions, was obviously not very good last season, the criterea that you shoud use for this award should be the players impact to the defense, rather than pure stats.
The candidates for Defensive Player of the Year are:
Nnamdi Asomugha
The "Awesome One" as he is known around these parts, is the pure definition of a shut down corner. Nnamdi only totaled one interception during the 2008 season, but that is a deceiving stat which does not tell the whole picture of Nnamdi's defense. Asomugha defended 9 passes in 2008 and Football Outsiders only tracked 26 passes thrown at him in 2008, which is about a dozen fewer attempts as any other CB on their top 10 list. Nnamdi leads by example and he is truly the leader of this team.
Chris Johnson
Chris Johnson replaced DeAngelo Hall midway through the season and he made the most of his opportunities. Whille Nnamdi was becoming bored with the lack of attention he was getting, CJ was the recipient of a lot of attention from opposing QB's. CJ ended 2008 with 35 tackles, 12 passes defended and 3 interceptions. Oakland's pass defense was clearly improved and CJ's elevated play had a lot to do with it.
Trevor Scott
Rookie Trevor Scott, a converted tight end, did not see the field much early in the season. But when Trevor got his chances, he performed and became a factor on the field producing 19 solo tackles and 5 sacks.
Thomas Howard
Though Howard's stats for 2008 were not as impressive as the previous year, his presence on the field was felt and he rarely left. Howard ended up with 97 tackles, 1 sack and one interception.
Next up: Offensive Player of the Year.
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This was an easy one.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 27, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Easiest Vote...Ever
Nnamdi Asomugha had arguably the best season for a cornerback in the NFL…ever.
Current Dream Draft: Brian Orakpo, Brian Robiskie, Jasper Brinkley, DT
by LiveAdam on Mar 27, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it’s a shame that some NFL fans, even living here around Modesto, consider Asante Samuel and Champ Bailey to be better than Asomugha.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 27, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow 105 to 8
Nnamdi is the best CB in the league hands down. We based this off of defensive presence, when you have the fewest passes charted to you, then you have the best defensive presence in the league.
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
by KA1Z3R on Mar 27, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Doubt
Even putting his play on the field aside, this guy defines team player. His heart and loyalty can never be put into question. He ignored his agent last season when suggested to hold out until a long term deal could be agreed upon. I personally needed no more than that, Then he played the game… No, check that, he Dominated the game.
Thanks for sticking with us Nnamdi.
by ElMattAdor on Mar 27, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nnamdi
He is our star player and he is the best CB in the league.
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by Rayder K on Mar 27, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Johnson
We know how great Nnamdi is but, I got to admit Chris is a lot better than Hall. He really stepped up when we needed him to and he is a good compliment to Nnamdi
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by nishal26 on Mar 27, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chris
chris is a better man to man defender than hall, but over all i would say hall is still a better corner, but he thrives more in zone coverages, and coverages that allow him to ball hawk instead of covering a single reciever.
by ThirteenFox on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad the Raiders’ management didn’t understand this before getting Hall before last season. I still have nightmares about how badly he got torched on opening night last year.
"Warm Springs Infernal" - FSU, 2/6/09 DLD
by doctorK on Mar 27, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say you moved on from the previous debate rather than ignoring the Oak vs KC comparisons I gave you
Also, I am glad you guys are building from the draft like last year. You guys had so many picks and none of them looked good.
So Nnamdi is your star player….
2008……………G……GS……INT……YDS…….TD…..DEF…..FF….FR…….TKL……ASST
Nnamdi:…….15…….15……..1……….0…………0………9………1……..0………33………7
B. Flowers….14……13………2……..118……..1………13…….1……..2……….62……..7
And in case you just missed it:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2009/3/25/809809/oakland-raiders-news-cable#13449648
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 27, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to add to that
Besides in ‘06 w/ his 8 picks and 19 Defensed, Asomugha hasn’t even had a season in his whole career as good as Flower’s rookie campaign last year.
Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles
Tm Pos G GS Sk Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Tkl Ast Sfty
2003 22 OAK 15 1 0 0 1 0 0 20 8
2004 23 OAK rcb 16 7 1.0 0 0 0 0 3 37 8
2005 24 OAK LCB 16 16 0 0 0 0 14 55 5
2006 25 OAK LCB 15 15 1.0 8 59 1 24 19 1 0 0 0 0 48 2
2007 26 OAK LCB 15 15 1 10 0 10 7 0 1 0 0 0 32 2
2008*+ 27 OAK RCB 15 15 1 0 0 0 9 1 0 0 0 0 33 7
Career 92 69 2.0 10 69 1 24 52 2 1 1 0 0 225 32
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 27, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are comparing
Flowers to Nnamdi. Ha. Dude, they are different types of players. There should be a stat for being avoided. That’s where Nnamdi comes in. And plus, teams tend to run against you guys anywway.
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by Rayder K on Mar 27, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More stroke of brilliance
wow. That’s your best response? I thought you love to argue?
KC Chiefs Def:
522 passes attempted against
509 rushes attempted
Oak Def
471 attempts
542 rushes
Completely wrong again man. Teams passed 51 more times against our defense and ran 33 times less.
I’ll check for your next attempt when I get home or tomorrow.
And I thought Nnamdi was supposed to shut Tony Down in November (8 catches for 110 yards)
I’m Out.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 27, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
Big runs. I mean big runs that every team runs on you. Our defense is good, it is just the 3rd downs where we mess up. You guys allow big plays every down
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by Rayder K on Mar 27, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?!
And plus, teams tend to run against you guys anywway.
WRONG (and not just grammatically). Like I said. Teams ran against you 33 more times than they did against us. And passed 51 more times against our D than yours. What do “big runs” have to do with Flowers putting up better numbers than Asomugha? Nothing. I’m drunk and I know that’s irrelevant.
You guys also actually gave up .8 more rushing yards per game than we did too. And our avg yards per attempt was 5, when yours was 4.7. (defensively)
Our defense is good, it is just the 3rd downs where we mess up.
We only gave up 32.3 more total yards per game then you guys! Teams were successful on 3rd down 103 times against your Defense vs 100 times against ours.
Try Again.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No comparison...Try getting your facts straight
You are using incomplete facts to try to make your point. The stat line you use only tells part of the picture and certainly does not demonstrate that Flowers had a “better” year than Nnamdi.
If you mean better because Flowers had one more interception and 5 more passes defended then you should provide the rest of the facts about what that is based upon. According to Pro Football Prospectus, which provides game charting stats for cornerbacks, tells a more complete picture than the skewed line that you used. Such as the "success rate, which compiles the percentage of plays targeting a defensive player on which the offense did not have a successful play.
Nnamdi had only 26 passes attempted against him in 2008 with a success rate of 64. On the other hand, Flowers had 60 passes attempted against with a success rate of only 55. Not bad, but not great either and certainly not in the league of Nnamdi.
Here is what Football Outsiders had to say about Nnamdi:
Nnamdi Asomugha may not end up with the best charting stats, but his target numbers are just plain sick. Compare Asomugha to the other players on this list with a low number of charted passes. Al Harris, for example, has 38 charted passes, but he only played 12 games. That’s 3.2 charted passes per game. Samari Rolle has 4.0 charted passes per game. Asomugha played 15 games this season… which means he has only 1.7 charted passes per game.
The fact is that opposing QB’s just don’t throw in the direction of Nnamdi and he shuts down an entire side of the field. When Flowers is named to the All Pro Team, then come back here and make some comparisons, because really, you come off as a fool trying to say that Flowers had a “better” year than Nnamdi.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 28, 2009 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that guy is ridiculous.
No one looks out onto the field and says, “Crap, there’s Brandon Flowers. I better not throw to his side of the field!” If it’s Asomugha, though, they can’t even look to his side of the field.
Let’s take this up with the former President of the United States of America!
Here, you can see, Asomugha pleading his case with Mr. Clinton.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 28, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's ridiculous?!
Hope your not referring to me…
No one said that about Asomugha his rookie year either. They didn’t say, “Crap, there’s Nnamdi over there on the bench! I better not throw to him!”
I wouldn’t use “pleading your case” with a former pres. as a good thing either…. That would be trying a little too hard….
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax, man, the Clinton thing was a joke.
You are dumb as you sound.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 28, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Shit......
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st off
I only came to compare the 2 in reference against rayder’s previous claim.
2nd, Yes, Flowers did have a better year STATISTICALLY than Asomugha. I did not skew any facts. I listed all the stats I could find on the CB’s omitting ONLY the categories that neither one did not put up any numbers in. I get that Nnamdi does not get thrown at. But how many times did that happen his ROOKIE season? Oh yeah, he only started 1 game.
Flowers had more picks (1), for more yards(118), w/ a TD, 2 more fumbles recovered (i.e. turnovers), almost twice as many tackles (29), yeah he got thrown @ twice as much, but then he also shutdown twice as many passes then (17 successful vs i’m guessing around 32 for Flowers [55%])
Like I said before, 2006 was the only year that Nnamdi has put up better numbers than Flowers did his ROOKIE year. He is a ROOKIE cornerback. Of course he’s going to be thrown at.
NO incomplete facts. The facts ARE straight. You have TWO stats in your “stat line,” thrown @ and success rate (9% difference w/ half the load). So his best value is to not be thrown @? Guess what, teams still threw 266 completions for over 3000 yards and 20 TD’s against you. So apparently with “half the field shutdown” there’s plenty of room up for grabs on the other side. What effect does a shutdown corner have when all the opposition has to do is throw somewhere else. Also how many times is he run at? I don’t know but I’m hoping not a lot with only 33 tackles.
Let me straighten something out, Nnamdi IS an awesome Corner. No Doubt, that’s why I used him as my comparison for one of our rookies that “none of them look good” argument. Rayder K has just been talking out his ass making claims trying to pawn them off as facts. So I just made a comparison using a couple of his claims. I’m not trying to say that Asomugha isn’t good, I’m trying to show that Flowers is.
Also, I know our D was garbage, but it had NOTHING (IMO) to do with our secondary personnel. I think Page, Pollard, Carr and Flowers (and Morgan) are going to be a force as soon as they get some help w/ the pass rush and Linebacker play. Remember, we did set a record for fewest sacks.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking Out My Ass
F you for saying that. If you are not going to show me respect, I won’t show you respect.
You are comparing two players who are just incomparable. Nnamdi is in his own league and Flowers is in with the rest. I never heard anything about a team game planing about Flowers. To be honest, I never even cared about him when we played you. His stats show he is better than he really is, and your overexcited ass doesn’t understand.
Listen to this, I never said Flowers was garbage, but comparing him to Nnamdi is ridiculous. To be honest, I don’t think you guys should be talking about defense at all. At least our defense won us some games against worthy opponents.
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by Rayder K on Mar 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you've been real respectful....
And your blog sucks. Since you guys have no life, you guys stay talking about players who you will not get.
Are you 10?
I am sorry for bringing these Fagets here.
Mature. We prefer Gay. Also, it’s spelled faggot.
Chiefs fans are so stupid.
Again.
But, these lovers can only kiss and make love to each other.
Kind of a homo-phobe huh?
Sexassassin, i see how you get your "sex". You suck up on everyone’s nuts and make them feel good.
There’s definitely a theme…
You haven’t won this division in years so shut the fuck up. You guys are the pushovers of this division.
Already proved to you how wrong that is….
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2009/3/25/809809/oakland-raiders-news-cable#13449648
They get the hand down of other teams. Montana, a RB that I won’t mention, Cassel, Vrabel.
You mean like Rice, Moss, Hall, Walker, Culpepper, Sapp (who talks absolute SHIT about the Raiders EVERY chance he gets…. Gannon….. Burgess, Jordan, Collins.
You guys are so disrespected in the league.
Based on what??? Where are you getting that from? Like how the AFC Champions hold the Lamar Hunt Trophy??? Al Davis is the SINGLE BIGGEST JOKE in the National Football League. Nobody respects the Raiders. Anyone who is not a Raider fan talks the Biggest trash ON raider fans. Anybody who calls one of your games ALWAYS makes a comment about the fans. EVERYONE says Arrowhead is one of Football’s all time Greatest Stadiums to play in. But you think your cool cuz you constantly say “raaaaiiiiidddderrrzzzz, rrraaaiiiidddeeerrrzzzz” wow. And go ahead and google “raider hated team” and see how many results you get….. I’ll wait….. now do the same for the Chiefs.
Now Google “nfl’s toughest stadium”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0604/gallery.toughplaces/content.10.html
Arrowhead’s on EVERY list. While Mcafee is nowhere to be found. But we’re not respected. Ooohhhh Black Hoooooole…..
Yea, we sound bad, but you guys don’t even have a name in this league.
Refer to Above.
Oakland Raiders=Al Davis
Also, I am glad you guys are building from the draft like last year. You guys had so many picks and none of them looked good.
Charles, Albert, Flowers, Carr, Morgan, Let’s see how Dorsey does when he’s not being double teamed. They all looked good. But I guess you’re a pro talent evaluator… so I won’t argue w/ opinions.
And plus, teams tend to run against you guys anywway.
Again wrong. Ran more times against you. Passed More times against us.
Big runs. I mean big runs that every team runs on you.
Teams averaged 3/10 of a yard more per attempt against us than you. And guess what… you were WORSE than us against the rush smart guy! You are #2 in Rushing Yards allowed per Game! (which is more total rushing yards) Second only to the Lions. Yeah we gave up 6 more plays of 20+ yards but we also caused twice as many rushing fumbles. I’ll take 8 more fumbles over 6 more 20 yard carries.
Our defense is good
Ranked 27th in Total Defense…. 31st against the Rush.
His stats show he is better than he really is
again, your the talent scout…..
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
You say we take in players also, but they were FA’s. We resurrected many careers and some can say we wrecked some. That is part of the NFL.
And why are you talking about defenses again:
Ranked 27th in Total Defense…. 31st against the Rush.
Make sure you like a team that can play defense first before talking about how to play it. Our defense screwed up at times, but showed they can perform numerous times also. To be honest, our offense really screwed them up with their poor TOP.
You also said:
Charles, Albert, Flowers, Carr, Morgan, Let’s see how Dorsey does when he’s not being double teamed. They all looked good. But I guess you’re a pro talent evaluator… so I won’t argue w/ opinions.
I never even heard of any of those players name come up on ESPN one. Well, maybe once for Flowers when he made the int.
Look, our rookie 5th round pick had more sacks than Dorsey and any other rookie in the league. He was a candidate for Defensive Rookie of the year I believe. Chaz Shilens, our 7th round pick became our starter towards the end of the season. D-Mac was torching teams by week 2, as you guys saw, but suffered a turf toe that killed his whole season, yet he never complained and never told ESPN about it so they thought he was a bust. Tyvon Branch, our 4th round pick, was getting game planed against on SP teams. Teams were afraid of him. He was a gem and he will now be starting at SS or FS for us. All our rookies had a SIGNIFICANT impact on the team. You see, I can evaluate players. I ain’t stupid.
Also, you also love going over stats. Look at the videos and you can see a whole new world open to you. Then you can see what I mean by defense. Stats show somethings, but not everything.
And why are you going over the comments with Sexassassin. You know he was talking stupid with us so it was only right to give him the same.
You said I talk out of my ass and I gave you the same respect. I don’t go around starting trouble. I only back myself up when someone says something to me.
Police Fucking Hate Me, Trying To Relocate Me To LA, But Like The Raiders, I' ma Bring It Back To The Bay! - Nump
by Rayder K on Mar 28, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly why I'm saying talking out of your ass.
YOU brought up bringing in players. I don’t think it’s a Bad thing @ all. I agree that IS football. It was YOU that was talking shit on bringing players in. I was just showing you that you guys do it too (just like the rest of the NFL. That’s why I quoted you then showed evidence.)
Again. You made claims like teams run all over us and that they pass more against you. Both were wrong. I showed you that. YOU brought up the defense. Again, that’s why I showed what YOU said and showed evidence against it. To me, talking out of your ass, is making a false statement and acting like it’s a fact. Just like saying “our defense is good” (when it’s ranked 27th Overall) and “Make sure you like a team that can play defense first before talking about how to play it” (again 27th ranked) and when did I talk about how to play defense??
And so T.O.P. is an excuse for your defense and not ours??? Our offense had the ball 27 SECONDS less than you! We both rank at 28 and 29. While our offense scored 28 more points. (the difference is I know our defense was shitty, but you won’t admit yours was)
“they showed they can perform numerous times also.” when? What did your Defense achieve? I don’t get it.
Oakland had 16 int, 15 FF, 8 Rec, 0 TDs, 32 sacks
KC had 13 INT, 20 FF, 16 Rec, 3 TDs, 10 sacks
I don’t get where you have room to talk shit. And those came from zero qb pressure (10 sacks) Our Defense scored 18 points. Your’s scored 4 (2 sftys). Why is your D so much better?
Let me inform you of our Rookies:
Dorsey: not a huge impact, 50 tackles and 1 sack, started all 16 games
Albert (LT): Started 15 games (injury) allowed 4 sacks
Flowers: enough said, started 13 and played 14
Charles (RB): played all 16 games, 629 AP yards, 1 TD, fast as shit, some kick returning
Morgan (S): played in 15 games
Carr (CB): Started 16 games
Legget (CB): played 12 games, started 3, 1 pick for a TD, 1 FR for a TD (against the Raiders), 30 tackles
Oh yeah, maybe because ESPN sucks.
No I don’t watch Raider games, but your being a hypocrite because you obviously haven’t seen our guys either. What are you seeing that’s so magical that the stats are misleading? You haven’t given me one example yet. What do you judge talent by? Turnovers or long black socks?
When did sexassassin say anything close to what you did? Cuz I didn’t see it. Show me. I never even saw him say anything personal. Closest thing I saw was:
me to they cant even defend them selfs unless it comes to fighting in the stands
and even that is questionable.
bro your weak rayder
How does that compare to your gay-bashing comments, calling us dorks and stupid and straight up bashing OUR blog.
I haven’t said anything derogatory against s&v pride or any of you guys. I have said that you are talking out your ass, which I stand by and have shown you why. And I sarcastically called you brilliant.
So far I’m a faggot, a clown, a “square bag,” stupid, dork, been told to fuck myself, and I’m sure there’s some I’m missing.
All I’ve done is call you out on your bullshit. You make claims w/ no proof therefor you are talking out of your ass.
So far the ONLY valid thing ANY of you have said is that Nnamdi is a great corner and that he doesn’t get thrown to. ONLY…..VALID…..THING….
You haven’t even been able to refute any of my statements. You just keep making more ignorant claims.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I’m just going to end this because no one comes on this blog to see this “fighting”. I will just say I was at fault and forgive me so we can end this. Capeash?
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by Rayder K on Mar 28, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Me Add
Stats don’t show everything there is about football.
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by Rayder K on Mar 28, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying they do
But they do back and/or negate arguments.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Arguments
Not all.
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by Rayder K on Mar 28, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? You want the last word that bad....
And that’s what you go with?
Really??
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
Do you want me to look up the statistics for how many arguments were won with or without claims for you?
Police Fucking Hate Me, Trying To Relocate Me To LA, But Like The Raiders, I' ma Bring It Back To The Bay! - Nump
by Rayder K on Mar 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But I don’t know how many arguments have ever existed with out some sort of claim being made.
That would be like writing words w/ out letters or counting w/o numbers.
Maybe you meant with or without facts.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 29, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
done
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dustin, you’re a clown. Flowers had a better year statistically? Was Flowers thrown to just 16 times and did he allow eight receptions? I don’t think so, bud.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 28, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Me Guess
When he comes back, he will be excited about winning 2 games last season. He will say, o we had a good enough defense to win against you guys. He is a little square bag for thinking his defense is the great.
Police Fucking Hate Me, Trying To Relocate Me To LA, But Like The Raiders, I' ma Bring It Back To The Bay! - Nump
by Rayder K on Mar 28, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must apologize, though, in that Asomugha was thrown at 27 times in 2008 according to Arrowhead Pride citing a source. Also according to the site, though, Asomugha was thrown at “less than any corner in the last 10 years” in 2007, which was 31 times. So, he even improved on that in 2008 with the 27 mark.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the Fuck's a "Square Bag"?!
Also, I know our D was garbage
yeah, that was me.
for thinking his defense is the great.
that wasn’t.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm a clown
Do you know what Statistics are?! Brandon Flowers had better numbers. Its true, you can count right? No Flowers wasn’t thrown to just 16 times. Neither was Nnamdi.
I know Nnamdi was not thrown to. Way to repeat the ONLY argument I’ve heard about this….
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you get the idea that no one wants you here?
"We want to Win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it,even my organization deserves it. You have to Win and Win with a vision of the Super Bowl. That's our passion here"- Mr. Davis
by nishal26 on Mar 28, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAAAAIIIIIDDDEEERRZZZZZZZ RRRAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDEEEERRRZZZZZZZ
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by Dustin SLO,CA on Mar 28, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CB Stats Are Opportunistic
Brandon Flowers has better statistics than Nnamdi Asomugha because CB stats are opportunistic. You can’t defend or intercept passes that don’t come your way. In that regard Asomugha gets the ultimate respect from opposing QBs – they avoid him pretty much altogether. The only QB that didn’t seem phased by it was Thigpen, so hats off for that.
No one is doubting Flowers’ talent, and he did have a fantastic year, but to a certain degree using stats as a measure of CB talent is flawed.
No response required, this issue has obviously been beaten to death.
Dream Drafts:
Michael Crabtree, Ron Brace?, Chip Vaughn, Lawrence Sidbury
Brian Orakpo, Brian Robiskie, Jasper Brinkley, DT
by LiveAdam on Mar 29, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about a rookie CB for a 2-14 team?
"Warm Springs Infernal" - FSU, 2/6/09 DLD
by doctorK on Mar 27, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i voted 4 asmugha
but kirk should have benn up there
by nateoak10 on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Asomugha is a force, and much of what he brings to the field trancends the normal stats. This is also tweaked as our opponents have the Raider defenses number. This is clearly pointed out by the Chief fan above. Think about it this way… If you are Philip Rivers, you are playing the Raiders twice a year, why would you even consider throwing at Asomuga when you could pound LT and Sprooles through a defensive line that can’t catch a cold. Take a look at the tackles Howard and Morrison got last year (well over 200 between them), they were stopping the run, not the line, which is sad.
The running backs in the league are licking their chops when they see the Raiders on the schedule. For almost every carry they will get at least three yards as they pass the line and fall forward by the time Thomas and Kirk get there. Second and six with the same success rate available really looks good.
If you really want to have an discussion over who is the best on the Raider defense, Cable has got to shore up the line (Rhadji?) and stuff the line… Then we can see what Morrison and Howard can do in linebacker blitzing… Johnson can do in coverage… and Asomugha does when Cutler, Manning, Rivers, Palmer, and who ever else cannot depend on the gimme run game that we are accepting.
looking forward to the next 30 years of this team
by 30yearR8RFan on Mar 28, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Nnamdi was impressive as ever..
.. and finally made it to the pro bowl. Didn’t vote for him though. I think Kirk Morrison should have been included on the list, and also think Jay Richardson looked good last season, showing a lot of promise.
by AllyRdr on Mar 28, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, I see that you’re new to these parts and let be the first to welcome you.
A lot of people feel as if Kirk Morrison needs to move to the outside and he won’t really get that kind of polling attention until he does.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 28, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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