Draft Speculation Thread: Oakland Raiders. updated with DE speculation+Dream draft
In an attempt to further organize the offseason, here's the draft speculation thread. If you have opinions on the draft or any speculation, please post it here. From dream drafts to opinions on picks, please post it here.
Here's what I think Oakland should do for each of their needs, draft-wise.
WR: If Crabtree falls to us, then obviously I think Davis will draft him. Would he be a nice addition? Definitely. But I'd rather we draft one of bigger needs first. That's not to say I wouldn't drool over an offense consisting of J-Russ, D-Mac, Bush, Miller, and Crabtree (possibly M-Tree?)
Moving on from Crabtree, I doubt Heyward-Bey is a second-rounder anymore, but should he be, we must get him. Fast guy with a good set of hands. Used to double-teams and used to playing against great ACC defenses in Florida State and VT.
Hakeem Nicks would also be nice. I know everybody says he's not a very fast guy, but don't we have enough speedsters at WR? JLH and Schilens are both fast guys, why not get a guy with a good set of hands in? I know Schilens can catch some truly amazing passes, but I'd like to see a true possession guy in Oakland.
OT: Monroe has to be taken if he falls to #7, even if Crabtree's there. This guy's the perfect fit for Oakland. Not only balanced, in both, the passing and running game, but, he excels at both. I think he could be a truly elite OT in the NFL and he plays in a ZBS. What more could you want?
Another ZBS guy who's worth the 7th. pick is Jason Smith. Excellent run blocker and is also a good pass blocker. Either Monroe or J. Smith are perfect for me.
Andre Smith and MichaelOoher are two names I wouldn't mind seeing in Oakland. But I doubt both J. Smith and Monroe will be gone. Andre and Oher are bigger guys and play very physically. Both are SEC guys so they're used to playing the best defenses.
C: If we don't pick up a center in FA, expect either Mack or Unger in the second round. Our O-Line coach coached Mack and played against Unger as a Pac-10 rival. Both are very talented but I think Unger is the better run blocker of the two. I watched a lot of Oregon games, and Unger was always a very physical guy up front for a very talented Oregon running game. Mack is the smarter Center and the better pass blocker. It's really tossup as to what we need more, a better urn blocker, or a better pass blocker at center?
DT: I'm pulling for either Raji or Monroe with our first-round pick. Raji is an absolute beast at DT. But, then again, that's what we were saying about Dorsey. But, even I was skeptical of Dorsey, I'm not so much with Raji. Raji will demand more than one blocker and effectively plugs up any holes. Amazingly good at shedding blocks. Having him paired up with Kelly would be a match made in heaven.
However there's a lot of DT talent in the draft. From Michigan's run stuffer Taylor, to another BC man with a lot of potential in Brace, to a USC pass rushing stud in Moala. Raji would be very nice at #7, but there's a lot of good DT's that we can snag later on.
LB: I was pulling for Rey, but I've been converted to Brinkley-anity (combo Brinkley and Christianity, thank you LiveAdam) Would I be upset to see Rey taken at #7? No, but I would rather we take Brinkley in the third. Brinkley is a punishing tackler, something that's been missing from the position for a long time. Not very good in coverage, but that's why we have the Law Firm.
S: Sorry but I don't really know much safety-wise and I don't consider this a major need by any means. But there's two S in particular I would like to see in Oakland. David Bruton from good old Notre Dame, and a very talented S from the school of defense, Kevin Ellison of USC. Ellison is the preferred as he's balanced in both coverage and tackling. Not as good in coverage as Bruton, but he's a better tackler. Bruton had an amazing combine ranking either 1st. or 2nd in all major categories for the safety spot. (first in all but was second in the 40-yard dash) If we draft Ellison, then we move branch to FS. If we draft Bruton, then Branch goes to SS.
DE: I forgot DE, sorry. A lot of people would like Orakpo as the DE of the future since this is Burgess's last year. Orkapo is a good all-around DE. But there's so many good DE's out there in the later rounds.
There's Michael Johnson for those who want another pass rusher, but he's a little too high up for me. Personally I think we need a good run-stopper. People like Sidbury or Maurice Evans are great run-stoppers who we can get later on. Imagine having a DE tandem like Richardson and Sidbury, or richardson and evans. Two good run-stoppers working together. Sounds fantastic don't it?
Now for my personal dream draft. I honestly think that this draft could happen for Oakland.
1st. round: Monroe/J.Smith/Oher/A. Smith in order of preference. i won't argue over other possible picks but instead give my case for the O-Line selection. We don't know if Henderson can play at the level he did for an entire season. If he can't, then we're left with Erik Pears for LT. Horrible. Any of these guys gives Oakland a great pass blocker and a solid to great run blocker.
2nd. round: Heyward-Bey/Hakeem Nicks/Brian Robiskie. Heyward Bey is a tremendous athlete who has every quality of Crabtree. Just not to as high of a degree. There's not much of a drop-off between the two either. Bey has great speed and an underrated set of hands. Used to playing double teams as well. Nicks has the best hands in the draft. And though he doesn't have quite the speed of Robiskie or Bey, he has a great set of moves for getting open. I actually think his speed is really underrated. Robiskie is very fast and he has very underrated hands. He'll still drop some passes, but he's not as bad as some think.
3rd. round: Jaspar Brinkley. Brinkley is a great run-stopper and would give us a very solid LB corps. I'm sure LiveAdam has already given you several in-depth overviews of Brinkley. So I'll leave that up to him.
4th. round: Sammie Lee Hill/Terrence Taylor. Both guys are great run stoppers at DT. Our run defense would be better than set for this season.
5th. round: n/a
6th. round: Maurice Evans/run-stopper DE. If Evans is here we must draft him. Fantastic run-stopper at DE. If not, then we need to get the next best run-stopping DE. Burgess and Scott have the pass rushing down, but who is there to play with Richardson as a run stopper?
7th. round: depth. i have no idea where to draft here, just get some depth wherever it's needed.
Now let's hear your draft speculations!!!
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unless cincy signs a reciever we wont get crabtree
by nateoak10 on Mar 3, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so true
I 100% agree. I don’t see them signing Coles anytime soon, or any halfway decent receiver for that matter, anytime soon.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 3, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this just in
coles to bengals for 4 yrs 28 mill…so hmmm crabtree to oakland maybe?
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by Robby1987 on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Good write up Kaizer. At S, I think Patrick Chung is the ideal safety. However, his presence is not a huge need, he is the way to go with safeties. He is like a Sean Taylor, but no experience. He is mean, hard hitting and fast.
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by Rayder K on Mar 3, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to lean this way
Orepko at #7 will be the pick. Beast of an athlete (checkmark for AL) and with D-Berg leaving after this year the DE of the future
The “Duke” Robinson added in the 2nd either plugging in as RT or RG. Adding the best interior lineman in round 2 to team with an ever improving Gallery should seal up the middle and allow the RT (whoever is added) to have Miller help out chipping a DE giving him a little help. Or put the Duke outside resign Cooper (if possible).
The 3rd is where I could really go either way and be happy if it happens. Jasper “the friendly ghost” Brinkley or Terrance “tractor” Taylor. Either will fill an important need plugging up the oppenents run game.
In the 4th if either is still there No Brainer. If not I like Ramses Barden WR from SLO (not because he isnt fast) at 6’6". A red zone target and much needed possession receiver to give JMarc another outlet. Others I like are SS Kevin Ellison or a hole plugger if Taylor isnt drafted in Sammie Lee Hill.
by Bud Light on Mar 3, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm really skeptical towards Orakpo
Just isn’t a big need to me this year. I’d rather we OT or DT, as they are bigger needs for us. i would like DE to be addressed, but not in the first for a guy I can only see as being a pass rusher in the NFL. You do have a very goo draft though. I forgot about Duke Robinson. Yeah he’d be a nice add for Oakland.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Everyone recommend this so it doesn’t fall off, since it is nice to have consolidated threads specifically tailored to specific off season issues.
by Bud Light on Mar 3, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A Defensive Tackle or an Offensive Tackle
I’m happy if we draft any of those 2 positions.
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by ATarHeel on Mar 3, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
Responding to both Kaizer and Bud Light:
WR
The only WR worth taking with a top 10 pick is Crabtree, and even Al Davis wouldn’t reach for Maclin or Harvin with this pick, not with so much other talent available at other positions. If the Raiders sign a free agent center it will open up the potential to draft a WR in the second round, and someone like Robiskie or Heyward-Bay should be there. Those big tall guys like Barden go from being 4th round prospects to being UDFA all the time, so its tough to gauge where they get taken. Greg Carr from Florida State reminds me of Barden, and will probably go undrafted.
OT
I think we have to hold off on claiming that selected an OT is automatic if Crabtree isn’t available. Free agency has changed the landscape somewhat, with the Raiders having already brought in Erik Pears, and have brought in several other tackles for tryouts and discussions. I’m not saying that we won’t take a tackle, I just think we need to wait until closer to the draft to say so.
DT
Arguably our most pressing need, but my ultra-complicated economic-based Tarot card draft system tells me that the Raiders can find a run-stuffing tackle much later in the draft than at #7. Names include Terrance Taylor, Sammie Lee Hill, etc., who should be available in the middle to late rounds. I’m not arguing that they are as good as Raji, but the difference in talent between them is probably smaller than the difference in talent between, say…Aaron Curry and some other linebacker available in the 6th round.
DE
I think this is a position you’ve left out of the 1st round discussion Kaizer. Brian Orakpo is a physical freak, which Al Davis likes, was pretty productive in college, and was recently named the best defensive lineman in college football. With Derrick Burgess going into a contract year and the Raiders unlikely to extend him beyond that point, there is a need for LDE who can both rush the passer and be stout against the run. With so few true 4-3 DEs available in the draft (so many are smaller 3-4 hybrid guys) the Raiders may decide that he’s not only the best player available at #7, but that he’s the necessary pick because they can get value picks for the other positions later in the draft and not at DE.
LB
Obviously its got to be Brinkley in the 3rd or 4th round. LOL
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by LiveAdam on Mar 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
Strong Safety
One guy that has stood out to me since the Combine has been Wake Forest’s Clarence “Chip” Vaughn. Vaughn has some of the triangle numbers that Al Davis loves, and moves his 6’1", 221lbs frame to the tune of 4.51 in the Combine.
Scouting report from DraftCountdown
Strengths:
Terrific size and bulk…Superb tackler…Real tough and physical…Will deliver the big hit…Very active and aggressive…Good range…Does a fantastic job against the run…Smart and instinctive…Very productive.
Weaknesses:
Just average speed…Doesn’t have great hands or ball skills…Gets too high in his backpedal…Hips aren’t real fluid…Will struggle to match up with wideouts in man coverage…Isn’t very quick…A little inconsistent.
Notes:
First name is “Clarence”…Actually arrived at Wake Forest as a wide receiver…Saw extensive action as a backup early in his career before taking over a starting job in 2007…Led the Demon Deacons in tackles as a junior…A blue-collar prospect who certainly isn’t flashy but has adequate physical tools and even better intangibles…An in-the-box run supporter whose best fit at the next level will be as a strong safety.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 3, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Trust This Site
Sounds good, but not at Chung’s level. Atarheel, I agree with you 100%. A DT or OT would be the best way to go for the Raiders. There is nothing wrong with more depth on the O-line and one of the biggest needs for our defense is DT. B.J Raji is a freak. He can stuff and the special ability, he can PASS RUSH. He is SO GOD DAMN STRONG. And you guys, do you know why Glenn Dorsey became a bust-like player. In college, he played for a GREAT team so others had to think of others, not just Dorsey. B.J Raji is coming out of Boston College. Their defense revolves around B.J and he gets doubled each and every play, and he STILL makes the play. He makes others around him better like Ron Brace. And come on, he can pass rush. It doesn’t get better.
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by Rayder K on Mar 3, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chung vs. Vaughn
DraftCountdown has Chung and Vaughn rated as the 4th and 5th best safeties respectively. I’d hardly say that they were on different levels.
I’m not opposed to drafting Raji, I just want the Raiders to get the most out of the draft as possible. If the Raiders truly feel that Raji is the best player available and provides the most benefit to us over a different DT then they should take him. On the other hand, if they think they could gain similar benefit from a DT available in the middle or late rounds, and there is a player at a different position who provides benefits not available later in the draft, then they should look elsewhere. Decisions, decisions.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 3, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Just Saying
This boy is more ready than any DT I seen the last 5 years.
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by Rayder K on Mar 3, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Raji may be the next Haynesworth:
Seriously
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Mar 4, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
raji
ive been hearing alot about him lately…honestly i rmr when we drated darrell russell..he was an absolute beast for his first few years before he went all mental…rip…
i really think thats what we need. bj raji would be great..crabtree is the fun pick here but honestly we have enufff weapons on our offense to matter…lets keep in mind here that we also have drew carter coming off his injury…who knows maybe hes the missing piece.
i wanna big ugly with our first pick…either that or a stud dt like bj raji
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by Robby1987 on Mar 4, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed 100%
Look at all the weapons we have around Russell
a playmaker at RB in D-Mac
yet another playmaking RB in Michael bush who should be starting
one of the most sure-handed TE in Miller
the blazing speed and moves of JLH
another speedster with surprisingly good hands in Schilens
Hell we have two first round talents at RB for Russell. Now let’s take a look at O-Line as it stands:
LT: Henderson. surprisingly good, but we don’t how long that’ll last.
LG: Gallery. The only guy I’m 100% confident in. Great player. Pro bowl talent
C: Nobody other than Morris
RG: Carlisle. Getting a bit old and had an off-year. Is still a top-notch RG though
RT: Cornell Green. Too many penalties and horrible in the passing game. Amazing job in the running game is all he has going for him.
We were saying we had the worst OT tandem in the NFL, now you want to draft a WR? That makes no sense to me.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't like the idea of Orakpo
seems too much like another pass rusher to me. I’d like to see us take that Michael Johnson in the second. That way we can address OT and DT. You’re right that OT might not be a big need by the time the draft rolls around, but as it stands we still need somebody. I’m far from sold on Henderson being a starter on the line. Those few games he played were impressive, but I question if he can do that an entire year. Even if we can manage a Marvel Smith or Khalif Barnes FA guy, both are short-term solutions and you won’t see OT talent like this for years to come.
You’re right that there’s a lot of talented run-stoppers that’ll be available in rounds 4-7 and I stated as such. that’s why Raji’s only my #2. I’m still wanting that OT. There’s plenty of good WR in the draft in the second (Nicks, heyward-bey, robiskie, etc) so I’m still not on Crabtree’s fan list.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Johnson
I fear Johnson being only a pass rusher much more than I fear Orakpo being only a pass rusher. I think that would be a waste of a 2nd round pick. I’m not necessarily saying the Raiders should take Orakpo, but he should at least be in the discussion. If the Raiders feel they can fill the need later they’ll target guys like Lawrence Sidbury from Richmond, Maurice Evans from Penn State, or any number of the other defensive ends that will be available in the later rounds.
I think we’re in agreement that the Raiders should be focusing on OL and DL, but if Crabtree is there something tells me his draw may be too much for Davis to pass up.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 4, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Orakpo does deserve some discussion, but i just don’t see us drafting him. I guess you are right about Johnson. I forgot abut Sidbury and Evans. They would be good pickups for Oakland.
You’re definitely correct on the crabtree thing. I just wish we would pass on him because Monroe is exactly what’s missing form Oakland.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
raji
idk bout raji….. sign dwayne robertson draft crabtree… draft kid from tennessee dt late
by PADRON3 on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dwayne robertson
kinda injury prone. Definitely has the size and strength, but he’s just too injury prone and is only slightly better than Sands. He’s basically a slightly better urn-stopping version of Warren except he can’t pass rush at all.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mock draft
check this one i found at Yahoo! lol
mack with the 7th pick wtf!!!
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by Robby1987 on Mar 4, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That Dude needs to have his "Mock Draft Card" revoked!!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Mar 4, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to the max!!
that made me soo mad. i was like this moron really honestly thinks a center goes that high lol
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by Robby1987 on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Raji!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude everyone im sorry but what makes you guys think raji can do what no one else can?!?!? Look it doesnt matter who we put at dt as long as we keep going 3 and out on offense. Has anyone here ever really watched Tommy Kelly play by play? he is a terror. Sands and warren are great from time to time, but thats only because they are on the field way more than they have to be. Another fatty in the middle isnt going to help. We need crabtree. if you have been watching, the pieces have been falling in place for the raiders to get the 2nd best player in the whole draft(crabs). Coles signed with the bengals, and the seahawks signed housh. if crabs gets by cleveland, al davis would be insane to not take him. I think that with cable developing the o line some more and a legit wr on the outside to go along with chilens on the other side and higgins in the slot. throw in a stud tight end and out recievers are set. and by the way the youngest starting qb in the league next year (as long as no rookies start) will be our 23 year old jmarc. he will breakout if we get crabs. and with our offense being on the field more means our d will be on the field less, which means everyone here will realize that kelly and warren and sands can handle a normal amount of plays for a dt. PLEASE GOD NO RAJI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by posey440 on Mar 4, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you are aware that
calling raji “another fatty” is like calling all DT’s “fatties” What you’re saying is that our horrible D-Line is no longer a need because of the almighty Crabtree? We go 3 and out because our O-line can’t block enough for the play to develop. We already have plenty of weapons around J-Russ as is. You just never see them do anything because of poor O-Line play.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude first off all dts are fat, so yes i am completely aware of that. Second, when superstar is available, you take him. You dont pass up one of the top 2 players in the draft for a guy who is not an impact player and that before the season you didnt know about. our d line is not horrible. you give the raiders the giants or vikings d line and we still give up the most yards in the nfl. no one can handle 40 rushes a game on average and no d line can rest for 2 minutes and go back on the field while our offense sputters. and as for the countless weapons you speak of, miller is the only receiving threat anyone outside of oakland knows about or is willing to pay attention to. mcfadden is a weapon, but he is a running back, not vertical pass catching threat. bj raji is not a bad player in my mind, but the best offensive player is there, yet everyone on this post is trying to get all schematic with this pick and play junior gm. ITS MICHAEL FRICKIN CRABTREE!!!! stop listening to mark schlereth trash the raiders defense. we scored like an average of 5 points a game in the first half, but we were competitive in most of our games. our defense is way underrated and played out of their minds. but all you guys are looking at the numbers. and thats ironic because we had a worse passing game than our run defense. and our o line is looking pretty solid right now, not great but solid. no more harris, so we are instantly better. mario henderson played well down the stretch, gallery found his niche at lg, and carlisle was arguably our best o lineman and he resigned. erik pears is a name you dont know and you should. started 26 games for the broncos, but was injured all last season. they have the same running scheme as us and he is tall (6’7") and athletic. we still need to add a legit center, but we have a solid nfl starting o line so far. and dt is one of those positions that you can pick up good ones later in the draft. if we were to draft any boston college dt i would rather take ron brace in the 3rd round. way better value. and with this massive gathering of weapons the raiders have, why is it that higgins is slated to be the slot and were not even sure if walker (who did nothing) is coming back. i say first round we get crabs, 2nd we get alex mack or max unger or eric wood, 3rd round we get connor barwin or brace, 4th round we get sidbury from richmond. and while you are looking those players up to get your first glimses of them you would realize that brace, barwin, and sidbury are d lineman, and mack, unger, and wood are o lineman.
by posey440 on Mar 4, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
I can agree with some of that. There are in fact good DT’s later on, but I’m criticizing the fact that you said Raji’s just another fatty. Not true. Raji looks like a Pat Williams to me. To say Raji’s a fatty is to say all DT’s in the league are nothing but fatties. Who cares if miller’s the only threat outside of Oakland. that just means less attention to Higgins and Schilens. Crabtree isn’t as important as getting a solid OT like monroe who is exactly what Oakland needs. Imagine knocking 30-some sacks down to about 20.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey this landed SI's front page
on the Raiders page. Can I get a w00t!!!!!
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woot Woot!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude you even supported my case up above on your post. dts are available later on. there are only 3 receivers worth taking with our first 2 picks. crabtree, maclin, and heyward bey. after that it really drops off. all im saying is trust jim marshall the new d coordinator, trust cable to work his magic with the o line, and please god dont be satisfied giving jamarcus russel 3rd and 7th round receivers to work with. chilens and higgins are good, but crabtree has future first team all nfl written all over him. dont overlook that.
by posey440 on Mar 4, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rounds don't matter
it’s how you perform that counts. Schilens is a steal and Higgins is developing into a good receiver.
Read my comment to your last comment for more info.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 4, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if
Monroe or J. Smith falls to us, which I don’t think will happen now, I’d like to see us grab one. They both seem like pro style OT’s who could step in from day one. Ive been an NFL draft fan for awhile and every year someone gets a ton of momentum and teams draft on that momentum. To me Raji seems like one of those players to me. Im hesitant to hop on the bandwagon of any player who flashes signs of dominance but takes plays off. To me that just shows that he will take plays off. Im much more comfortable building a team around players that play every down and have a passion for the game. To me that player in this draft is Curry. He seems to breathe football, unless something crazy happens he will be gone long before we have a shot at him. Here is how I see the first 6 picks playing out
1. Stafford
2. J. Smith
3. Curry
4. Raji
5. Orakpo
6. Monroe
In that case with the 3 best defensive players and the 2 top OT’s gone I see us grabbing Crabtree. I could also see Al grabbing A. Smith but with he character issues and questionable work ethic I hope that doesn’t happen. The only thing that would really mix things up is if the Lions pass on Stafford.
by nateroddick20 on Mar 4, 2009 6:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh
and in the 2nd and 3rd round Id like to see us grab one of the centers if available (Unger most likely) and some depth along the lines, its hard to project who is going to be available but Beatty out of UConn may be there. I know there has been a lot of talk of Brinkley and if he is there in the 3rd I would love if we took him, Morrison is better suited outside and picking him up would instantly give our defense a tougher presence.
by nateroddick20 on Mar 4, 2009 6:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no beef dudes
ok at least we can agree a little. i think just we are better up front than what the media plays us out to be. our o line is not like the giants, but with harris’ crappy ass out the door, cornell green looking like a back up, next year with the addition of erik pears and hopefully khalif barnes(knock on wood), and cooper carl resigning we have a core o line that will gel under cable’s expertise in coaching o lineman. and as for the d line, i think another huge reason why they didnt play up to their ability(and contracts) is because of our scheme. with heavy man coverage like we did, the dbs would mostly paying attention to the receivers and not be able to read the plays as well if they were in zone. i think the real key for our defense is better support from both safeties and maybe the corners some more, not just the strong safety like last season. and i know al davis wont be happy with us running more zone, but i think the run support will be addressed with jim marshall. he has made some great defenses, and we have alot of good parts. and no raji isnt a slouch, he looks like a future vince wilfork, but as a joke dude cmon hes got his fair share of belly. lol.
as for naterodderick i like the thought process taking a center with 2nd rounder, but as for brinkley he doesnt project well into the 4-3 lb. he is a beast of a human being 6’2’’ 270 lbs and not an ounce of fat on him, but he doesnt cover well and has very tight hips, which doesnt translate well in our man heavy defense. he is a 3-4 lb but i wouldnt mind seeing him tried out at de. another idea for everyone on this post is with the second round pick is clay matthews at strong side lb.
All i want to come away from this post is the mindset that i think the fanbase should have. we need to upgrade our tackle position, true, and we need to address the run defense, true, but if a legit top wr is there for the taking in the top 10 (like calvin johnson, larry fitzgerald, braylon edwards-and dont worry about that comparison crabtree has amazing hands) we should pull the trigger. crabtree would cover alot of our holes on o and d by making big plays. we have a home run kick returner(higgins), a home run rb(mcfadden), and if we had a home run receiver like crabtree who can go up and make the leaping catch AND break plenty of arm tackles with his strength AND be great running after the catch AND have the best hands in the draft, our offense could rise to the top. no joke.
by posey440 on Mar 4, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brinkley
Brinkley was down to 252 at the Combine, ran a respectable 4.72, and was in the Top 10 for both the 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle, so I think he’s got plenty of lateral quickness to deal with coverage. Not to mention the fact that he probably wouldn’t be on the field for obvious passing situations anyway.
Don’t hate on my boy, he’ll come after you. Just ask Matt Stafford LOL.

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by LiveAdam on Mar 4, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm questioning
the point you made that Khalif Barnes and erik Pears solidifies our O-Line. It most certainly does not. Pears could very well be a backup and if Barnes comes in, he’ll play RT. the left side is left with Henderson and we don’t know if he can play like he did for an entire season.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 4:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good points
Brinkley does fit a 3-4 better, I would love for Matthews to fall to us in the 2nd, the guy is a workhorse and has the ability to get to the QB. My dream scenario would be to trade down for the eagles picks 21 and 29. I,m not sure the exact values of the picks off the top of my head but I believe they are close. At 21 we could target Matthews or Cushing at LB or Peria Jerry at DT or even a Darrius Heyward-Bey. Then at 29 we would slip ahead of the Steelers and be able to grab Mack. The only problem is the Eagles would have to covet a player available at 7. The only ones that I can think of would be one of the OT’s or maybe Crabtree but I doubt it.
by nateroddick20 on Mar 4, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Crabtree is there, I think its possable(trade with Philly)
They need a big play reciever.
I belive theres a number of teams that would move up for Crabtree
I’d like to see us take at #21 linebacker like James Laurinaitis ILB 6’2" 244 Ohio State
and at #29 Tyson Jackson DE 6’5" 291 LSU
But I’d feel better if we got Barnes first
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by RUKidding on Mar 8, 2009 6:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those would indeed be very good pickups
I would like it very much if Al did trade down. Except if we traded down I’d take Heyward-Bey and Mack. I know both could be in the second, but they could just as easily be first-round picks. Then for the rest of the draft we can focus on defense.
If only Davis would trade down.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 8, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Would Agree With Both You Guys
Get A LB with the 21st pick and a WR with the 29th.
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by Rayder K on Mar 8, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that would be a fantastic draft
1st round #21- Laurinitas
1st. round #29- Heyward-Bey
2nd. round- Mack/Unger
3rd. round- Vaughn
4th. round- Sidbury or Taylor
6th. round- DE or DT whichever didn’t get picked in the fourth
7th. round- O-Line depth
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 8, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting cushing and heyward bey would fill 2 spots well. im not in the ricky brown fan club, but they resigned him for a reason. they think he can play just fine, which hes decent at best. the only thing with heyward bey is he is a boom or bust kind of wr prospect, which with our team on the fringe of division contention isnt really what i think we need to do. i think there are 2 for-sure-superstar prospects in this draft, curry and crabtree. after the combine, there is no logical way curry will fall to no. 7 overall. however, with those dumba** scouts out there way overhyping crabtrees ankle injury and him not running the forty have him within a realistic chance to fall to the raiders at 7. ive been hammering and hammering the point on this post that crabs is too much to overlook. other people might not think this, but i will politely tell you that youre crazy. watching him run after the catch and catch the ball with his hands better than some nfl receivers leaves me convinced that he is going to fit great with any of the teams who draft him, especially the raiders. GET CRABTREE!!!!!!!!!!!
and as for brinkley, we might be able to play him at strong side lb. i think morrison is a smart active mlb who is the qb for the defense. howard is the weak side lb that roams are attacks and is great in pursuit. with brinkley in there at strong side, he could be the one taking on blocks and blowing up fullbacks and wrecking havoc at the line of scrimmage to free up the other lbs. i could see him do that. ok now ive listened to your idea and it isnt too bad. here are a couple prospects im intrigued by…
Eric wood(center from louisville)-watch him in the senior bowl. he blew up bj raji pretty good. he is a tall center at 6’4’’ and looks like he can move pretty well.
Lawrence Sidbury(de from richmond)-my brother goes to the university of montana, and he came away from that game convinced that he was a legit nfl de. looking at more than just that game(which he had 4 sacks in) i saw that he is a terror with a great spin move. “Starbury” as my bro called him is bulky enough at 266 lbs. and has a fantastic first step.
Sean Smith(corner/safety from utah)-watch the pick that he had against wyoming. awesome. he is in the exact same mold as nmandi, he is 6’2’’-6’3’’ and 210 lbs with great hips and ball skills. he is a project, but in round 2 or 3 he would be a steal for what he could turn into.
connor barwin(de/lb/te from cincy)-hustler at the de position who is an amazing athlete. a former cincy b ball star was tops in the combine in nearly every event. combine that with a non-stop motor and double digit sacks his senior year and he looks like he will be a player at the next level. and he has already worked out with the raiders.
austin collie(wr from byu)-a little old at 23 for being a rookie, but made up for in route running and natural athleticism. doesnt have great timed speed, but plays faster than most he plays against, even when facing higher division foes like notre dame and ucla. 6’1’’ and 200lbs. with a solid work ethic and one of the best route runners in the upcoming draft. made plays in big games. the kind of player the raiders need to start drafting to compete with the colts and the steelers and patriots of the world. works hard and is a solid football player and isnt just another height weight speed guy that we have been drafting for the past 6 years.
oh yeah there is more……lol…..
jamon meredith(ot from south carolina-you should know this dude nateroddick20)- athletic as hell and has prototype starting lt build with speed and agility to match. long arms and an excellent cut blocker would fit great with oakland. a bit of a project, but could pick up in the 5th round.
jarret dillard(wr from rice)-yet another player who is more football player than athlete. only about 5’11’’ but has a 42’’ vertical and runs awesome routes as well. has a crap ton of catches and bailed out his qb many times with the spectacular catch. not known for his speed, but by no means slow.
by posey440 on Mar 4, 2009 9:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great Analysis Boy
Very Appreciatable.
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by Rayder K on Mar 4, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Players to Watch
Definitely agree with you on Sidbury, he’s big enough to play 4-3 DE and be stout against the run, while we’ve all seen his production rushing the passer. He had a great Combine as well and is likely moving up everyone’s draft board.
If the Raiders were interested in Sean Smith it would be as a safety. I’m not sure the Raiders take a CB in this draft…although it is Al Davis we’re talking about.
Eric Wood is the consensus 3rd center for this draft class. Interesting to see if he goes in the 2nd or 3rd round. I still think the Raiders will bring in a free agent rather than have to rely on a rookie and John Wade.
Connor Barwin – Trevor Scott v 2.0. Hard working, blue collar, humble, and a non-stop motor. Said at the Combine that he’s probably best suited for LB, so I’m imagining SLB.
Jamon Meredith – Played in a ZBS at South Carolina, very athletic. Raiders don’t have a 5th round pick, so it would have to either be in the 4th or 6th.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 5, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff, Welcome and keep it coming!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Mar 5, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent names
I forgot about Dillard, good WR there who we can get later on. Sidbury is a very good DE who we can get around round 4 maybe.
You give a lot of good WR names, yet you still pull for Crabtree. Tad ironic
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they are just players that i think can play. it is ironic, but if i had to pick between all these players together or crabtree, im picking crabs.
by posey440 on Mar 5, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's actually kinda sad
all of our needs met, yet you would take one player for position that I rank second to last on our list of team needs.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re-assess the needs then
We dont need a dt, no matter what all the supposed “gurus” think. Another big boy in the middle wont make a difference when he only gets to rest for 2 minutes while we go three and out on offense. And BJ raji doesnt look nearly as good as glenn dorsey did coming out last year. And dorsey did nothing. DT is such a hard position to draft high.
Offensive tackle is a non-impact position, and our coach can turn water into wine when it comes to o lineman.(henderson was worse than kwame harris preseason, then dominated mario williams and gaines adams down the stretch)
Another DE would be a luxury. Scott can play, Burgess can too, and richardson is coming into his own. And gunhyeim might develop into an ok player eventually.
Safety will be filled eventually. Wilson came off the street and was second in tackles. Id think ellison from usc later in the draft could come in and play right way. Im not worried about safety.
The only sad thing I see is the raiders being blessed by a divine hand and having the best offensive player fall into their hands just to have them overthink the situation. Receiver is also a hard position to draft, but only because teams dont pay attention to the important wr qualities(hands, catching in traffic, run after catch ability) and they overhype 40 times and bench press reps and 3 cone drills and stuff. Crabtree walked onto the Texas Tech campus and at 18 was the best player on the team, and he wasnt even eligible!!! He looks like a cant miss. Based on our head coaches ability to work with lineman, im removing offensive tackle from need with our top pick IF crabtree is there. If crabs is gone, monroe would be great. personally i like jason smith more. But dude these kinds of players dont come around everyday. there will will 2 or 3 monroes next year and the year after. A freshman being the best wr in the country? and him winning it again the next year? that doesnt happen every draft. Game breaker=Crabtree. Monroe=Possible probowler, but doesnt score tds or move the chains like crabtree can.
by posey440 on Mar 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're saying O-Linemen aren't as important as a good WR
wrongo. O-Linemen open holes for the running game and they protect your big money QB. It doesn’t matter if you have Crabtree, Bowe, and Smith as your WR if you can’t get a three-second window for your receivers to finish their routes and get open. Henderson is still very iffy and I don’t see him being able to play that well for an entire year. Monroe on the other hand gives the o-line something that’s only found in Gallery. Elite/Pro bowl level talent. Look at what the Browns and Dolphins managed by getting themselves solid O-Lines. Monroe/J. Smith would be our Jake Long/Joe thomas. How could you not want that on your offense. Russel would practically never have to worry about his blind-side.
Now for WR alternates. Why not Heyward-Bey, Hakeem Nicks, or Brian Robiskie in the second? Possibly a Demetrius Byrd or Jarret Dillard later on?
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
DT’s the lowest need in my opinion.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you are exactly right. o lineman are more important than good wrs. But good o lineman are not even close to GREAT go to wrs, like crabtree. crabtree is the closest thing to a sure pick at wr since calvin johnson. im all for jarret dillard, but more as a slot when we would go 4 wide. heyward bey is too boom or bust. robiskie and byrd are adequate receivers, but not go to guys. it is very rare you get to draft a larry fitzgerald or andre johnson, a wide receiver who projects to play instantly in the nfl. most have to be tought how to run routes or read coverage or catch properly. crabtree has been doing those things better than anyone in this draft since he was a freshman.(maybe not the route running, but crabtree has an awesome work ethic, nothing to worry to much about) look there will be another monroe-smith-oher-smith next year, like jake long last year, joe thomas the year before and so on and so on. crabtrees type doesnt come around every year like these o lineman.
by posey440 on Mar 5, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and as for the o linemen we have....
cable has it under control. look what he has done for gallery and henderson. we wanted to kill gallery a year ago, now he seems like a fit at lg. and henderson was worse than kwame harris preseason(which is downright horrible), and he dominted mario williams and gaines adams down the stretch. coincidince? or awesome o line guru tom cable workin his magic?
by posey440 on Mar 5, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Good things about Gallery. Just Love It.
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by Rayder K on Mar 5, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
Sean Smith, he showed well at the combine but I think a team will grab he before he falls to our spot in the second. Wood will be there in the second, no way 3 Centers go before our second round pick. We are in agreement on Crabtree, he was the one I wanted before the foot injury and I don’t think it will stop us from grabbing him, the man has amazing body control and hands and seems like a gamer, so 40 times be damned
by nateroddick20 on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
mocks
here is a mock draft site I tend to agree with most time http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php (except he doesn’t have nice things to say about the Raiders) his first round is pretty solid, though he still has the Seahawks taking Crabtree and but they may still surprise people and do it. He has Jamon Meredith going right before our pick in the 2nd but I think he has him too high, even though I think your right and he does have the skills to be a good project.
by nateroddick20 on Mar 4, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
go to
draftcountdown.com
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by Rayder K on Mar 4, 2009 10:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mock Drafts, The Combine and Who We Should Pick
i know mock drafts are fun to read and fun to make, but 90% of the time they are wrong, just check out mcshays early mock draft from last year, mcfadden wasnt even in the top 10. saying that i think you can never base decisions off of those drafts and also i feel like the combine is kinda a sham also….does anyone remember how well heath miller did in the combine? probably not. but most people remember that vernon davis tore it up, which one would you rather have right now? for every player who boosts his draft stack at the combine with good numbers and actually performs in the nfl, there are perform and then bust in the league, and there are also probably about 5 guys every draft whose stock drops because of the combine and they end up being the steals of the draft(boldin is a perfect example). does anyone know who has the fastest WR times at the combine? jerome mathis and yamon figurs….not very good WRs but certainly fast. people need to start using the combine less and using the film more…i have heard things like Crabtree isnt fast enough thats why he wont run the 40 and we shouldnt draft him. the bottom line is crabtree is the best player in this draft, ignore currys combine and look at the pure college production, crabtree would clearly be the best choice in this draft…and right now it looks like he is going to fall into our laps, its almost too perfect, if we waste this pick on some fat dlineman who scores 0 TDs and plays only about 60-70% of the snaps we are fools, Raji is a run stopping DT, you can find those anywhere, he is no warren sapp(as a rookie), crabtree will give us instant scoring threat at the WR position and dont say hes not fast, watch him run the bubble screen at Tech, he routinely splits the entire Defense with his awesome burst and top end speed, Crabtree is far and away the smartest choice
by posey14 on Mar 4, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Mar 4, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
raji is a first rounder, but not top 10 and wont fix what our dts have done with the situation they were put in
curry is an animal, and with the combine, didnt elevate his stock, it solidified it.
with all that said, crabtree is our man. We need him, and wr isnt a huge team need. thats how good crabtree is. Done deal.
by posey440 on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree is great, BUT...
If OT Eugene Monroe is sitting there I think we have to take him. He fits PERFECT in the Raiders blocking scheme. Cable can work wonders with this guy. Crabtree is goin to be a great WR, but skill positions are easier to fill than OT. Have you seen the free agent list for WR’s? If not, there’s a lot more available than you realize. I just hope we can sign a WR because when I went to the Oak/Pats game last season, Oak’s WR’s were on LOCK!…I was extremely impressed with Russell’s decisions not to force the ball. People watching on tv get the wrong idea about Russell because they can’t see the WR’s getting locked up.
by RickJ916 on Mar 5, 2009 4:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m still hoping we end up signing Amani Toomer. If we don’t, we can still get Monroe or, the lessar known Jason Smith, and then draft Heyward-bey or Brian Robiskie in the second.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 5:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I know, no one has shown any interest in Toomer.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 8, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
amani toomer???? ur weird… if u want him should of kept curry
by PADRON3 on Mar 5, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Alot of Mocks have hime available when we pick in the second
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Mar 5, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you never know that
and Toomer is way better than curry was last year. Toomer is not only faster, but he’s a better route runner and has better hands.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got most of it right RickJ916
but the fact that Crabtree is falling from the seattle at 4 to oakland at 7 is nothing short of a miracle. the o line is not a strong point, but if we have hendereson(who played well down the stretch) and pears (who stated 26 games the last 3 years for the broncos who run the same ZBS) and cornell green(who still kinda sucks, but could buy time for a young guy to come in) and maybe khalif barnes or ray willis who both can move and are pretty good in their own right. o line is about talent, but it is also about teamwork. we cant just expect monroe to come in and automatically work great with our guys. id rather we brought in an nfl vet at o line and a young stud at receiver than the other way around. and above this comment is a comment that says the patriot dbs locked down the raider receivers. crabtree is one of only 2 cant miss prospects in this years draft (along with curry). and dont bring up bringing TO in as the nfl vet receiver because we all know the cancer he is. crabtree is too much to ignore. another huge huge HUGE mistake many bloggers make is drafting for need over value. monroe is a top 10 talent, but crabtree in a top 2 talent. we restructered walkers deal to decrease his cap, which to me means al wont feel as ba dif he doesnt play. with chilens on one side and crabtree on the other, with higgins in the slot and miller at tight end with dmac in the backfield and jmarc sliggin it, we have the most explosive young offense in the league. screw denver!!! and i mean the o line isnt perfect, but cable will get them right, whether it is with a first round pick or an nfl free agent.
AGAIN CRABTREE IS TOOOO MUCH TO OVERLOOK!!!! STOP PICKING FOR NEED AND PICK THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!!!
and rick i am on the same page with you and jmarc. he is alot better than people give him credit for. give him another huge weapon along with another year of development and his production skyrockets!!!!
by posey440 on Mar 5, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ya right dude…. he wasnt even a factor theyre super bowl year…. if he was so good they would have signed him 4 cheap they dont want him.. he has no leadership 4 being a veteran….
by PADRON3 on Mar 5, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CLE attending private workout w Oropko
Maybe he is gone #5 bummer
by Bud Light on Mar 7, 2009 7:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Raider future
The raiders need to become an offensive threat at this point! Last year they looked like a joke. The raiders need to get Russell comfortable with the offense, establish a run game, and learn how to MIX them up. With all the great offensive minds in the NFL, plus you have to match up against some killer defenses and the raiders seem to have a predictable RUN-RUN-PASS philosophy. Crabtree would make a very nice addition, but so would Monroe, but if Russell is still overthrowing WR’s and the O-LINE can’t open up holes for the run, and the Raiders can’t get a better offensive plan then they could draft the bionic man and it wouldn’t make a difference. There is some cries for the Raiders to pick up Terrell Owens, BIG mistake, don’t they have enough cancers on the team. I mean Javon Walker should be on a bus for the desert along with the rest of the bust free agents from last year. The Raiders need to build so they should just stick to that. Go for crabtree or Monroe but build with what you have instead of trying to quick fix everything. Build that offense, Most coaches would kill for the weapons that the Raiders are squandering away. The Raiders have bigger offensive problems than who to draft. I have watched the Raiders do the same thing year after year and they need to change it. If Russell, MacFadden, and (Crabtree) are their future then meld it together, they have good WR’s but just a broken system. May God watch over you Tom Cable! And GOOD LUCK! I’ll always back the silver and black, GOOD OR BAD!
by oakland_style on Mar 7, 2009 7:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
very good analysis
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 7, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty Good Mock Draft
I think I’m off the Orakpo kick, the team needs of OL and WR exceed the DE need, and there’s talent available in the later rounds to try and fill it. The only way he’d be back in the discussion for the 7th pick would be if Monroe, J. Smith, Crabtree, and Raji were all gone by #7.
My mock(s) for now:
1. OT/WR – This has been the battle amongst S&BP for the past week or so. Most want Crabtree, while others aren’t so sure that an elite OT would do the Raiders more good. For now, I’ll concede that if Crabtree is available at #7 it will be extremely tough for Davis to pass on him, but if Monroe and/or J. Smith are still available somehow, they still have to be in the discussion and give Davis a moment of pause in making a decision. I think we can all agree that Davis would select Crabtree over Oher or A. Smith.
2. C/WR – Depends on what happens in the first round. If the Raiders select Crabtree, they’ll target one of the 3 centers (Mack/Unger/Wood) that have all graded out as fringe 1st/solid 2nd round picks. If the Raiders select a tackle in the 1st, they’ll target a WR like Robiskie, Heyward-Bey, or Nicks.
3. LB/DB – My personal pick here would be Jasper Brinkley to fill what I perceive to be a team need at MLB. Draft sites vary on where Brinkley would go, and I’ve seen anywhere from 3rd to 6th round. I think he had a fantastic Combine and will be at the upper range. If for whatever reason the Raiders aren’t interested in a LB, they’ll target safety prospects such as Chip Vaughn, Patrick Chung, or Sean Smith.
4. DT/DE – There is a lot of second tier talent for DT and DE in this draft. Look for the Raiders to build depth for the DL much like they’ve done previously with guys like Richardson (5th) and Scott (6th). Players to watch include Terrance Taylor, Sammie Lee Hill, Chris Baker, Dorell Scott for DTs; Lawrence Sidbury and others…but mostly Sidbury for DE.
6 and 7. BPA – Just find that talent, wherever it is.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 7, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very good...
Now I completely agree with your mock and baring any major free agent acquisitions that modify the roster and change the dynamic, this should be the way it will go. There is also the possibility that the Raiders will receive a compensatory draft choice(s) for losing more free agents then they sign. Would be good to at least get a 5th back.
I also have a little feeling that the Raiders, who normally don’t trade down, but maybe would trade their 2010 first round pick to get another choice in this year’s first round. Quite possibly with Detroit, who effectively has 3 first round picks this year.
Since it seems to be the Raiders’ plan to go younger and shy away from high priced free agents this year, the Raiders need to accumulate as many draft choices as possible this year, sort of like KC last year.
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by TheRaiderWay on Mar 7, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
very good mock
i think we see eye-to-eye on what needs to be drafted when and where.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 7, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My dream draft and offseason
Sign-
Marvin Harrison – perfect guy to give Russell a reliable target and confidence in his ability
Darren Sharper – perfect guy to teach Huff and Branch how to play the line of scrimmage and at the same time be a ball hawk, Sharper at FS and Huff at SS.
1. Raji NT Boston College- he would be a flat out monster in the 4-3 NT position, him and Kelly would be able to dominate for years like Henderson and Stroud did for Jax. Huge upside as a pass rusher and his ability to take on multiple blocks.
2. Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech- We all know Davis is going to hunt him down given the chance, he is an absolute freak and his ability to deflect passes at the line is incredible. Burgess is in a contract year and I believe he’ll be back to 10+sacks this coming season, but he is going to ask for some UBER cash from Mr. Davis. Given the low chance MJ has of making it here, my second choice would be Robert Ayers who is my Strahan Jr at LE.
3. trade down for a late 3rd and 5th
3. Antoine Caldwell C Alabama – perfect C for facing 3-4 NT’s and fits the ZBS. I have been really high on Caldwell from the get go, his arm span is incredible and he has a great initial punch and is a furious competitor and leader. I would even dare to say he is a day 1 starter.
4. Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly – He is the most ideal WR prospect imaginable, he brings everything to the table that you look for in a WR, he will just take a good couple seasons to develop and Mr. Davis loves drafting WR’s around this spot.
5. Mark Parson CB Ohio- Man to Man STUD! He doesn’t have the size but he has everything else you look for in a man to man corner. Routt is in a contract year and even if he does sign again with us this Parson’s kid is worth the pick. 27 passes defended last season at Ohio. And he is one of the fastest corners in the draft, didn’t get invited to the combine but has spent the offseason training with Deon Sanders.
6. Worrell Williams OLB CAL – Williams is a flat out thumper at LB’er and could even come inside for us behind Morrison. He has a tendency to play with too much passion but that is a strength when you are a Raider. He would be excellent in special teams also.
7. Louis Vasquez RG Texas Tech – Super strong Guard and with the Broncos and Chiefs switching to 3-4 we need less mobility on the inside and more power. I doubt he would start but would certainly provide some depth.
by DarthDavis on Mar 15, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not bad
but Harrison and sharper are pretty old, especially Harrison.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 15, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Sharper though
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by Rayder K on Mar 15, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could seriously use some veteran leadership with playoff backgrounds, that’s why the age thing doesn’t bother me. Obviously they won’t be getting major deals but as far as heading into next season both will be producing better then a rookie at their positions. That is why age doesn’t bother me, I think the AFC west is aligning for a Raider takeover and that’s why I almost prefer these “OLD” guys as oppose to a Rookie FS/SS or WR. We have extreme talent behind them and could use someone to groom them.
by DarthDavis on Mar 15, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
I would actually like Sharper, I’m more concerned of Harrison, whom I also wouldn’t mind too much. But harrison is like one year from retirement and I question how much money sharper’s looking for.
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 15, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ay
Where’s the transaction blog? Make a new one for Rated-R Superstar
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by Rayder K on Mar 15, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I’m still updating on the old one even though I’m sure no one is really checking it out.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 15, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually if Rated-R wants to
he can make one
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 16, 2009 4:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Detroit
takes a tackle which is completely possible then a scenario may play out where we miss on both OT’s Raji Crabtree, Curry and Orakpo. If that happens what is the best course of action? A lot of mocks having us taking Maclin, Im not sold on him being a true #1 WR and with the 7th pick I think that’s what your looking for. With those 6 players gone we could reach a little bit and grab a LB or take one of the DE Jackson or Brown. Just interested to hear some other opinions on this scenario.
by nateroddick20 on Mar 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Down?
If that unfortunate scenario occurred I think the Raiders would almost have to start calling teams that might want to move up to take Stafford. The Jets, Bears, or Bucs could be potential trade partners who might want to lock up Stafford’s services. It’s either that or the Raiders have to re-evaluate whether Maclin, Oher, or A. Smith are worth the pick.
Hate to say it, but there’s always the possibility that Al Davis picks Malcolm Jenkins or Vontae Davis if none of the other players we want are available.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 16, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Maualuga
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
by KA1Z3R on Mar 17, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
To be honest I’d rather have Oher.
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by LiveAdam on Mar 17, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
I was just wondering why he wasn’t in there.
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by KA1Z3R on Mar 17, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
at that point someone would be interested in trading up for Stafford, I would like to move into the mid first round and possibly grabbing one of the OLB’s
by nateroddick20 on Mar 16, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
please you use the reply button
With the drafting of Manu and Parker and the signing of Oberto, the International Basketball era began in San Antonio. showing that all of the world's people can, in fact, come together in peace and harmony. After all, every nationality loves to kick the Hornets' asses.
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