2009 NFL Draft Open Thread: Pre-Draft 8AM PT
Wow!!! Christmas has come again this year. I have just cleared the sleep from my eyes and have the NFL Network on full blast.
It looks like Mark Sanchez is THE Wild Card this year as the Rams have already booked a flight to St. Louis for him (Probably just a smoke screen) and the entire Top 4 seem to be playing his value up in order to possibly move down and scoop up more picks.
With Stafford gone, the Top 4 Tackles, Aaron Curry and Michael Crabtree are still available and so are Orakpo and Raji.
If Sanchez moves into the Top 6 then one of our dream players, Crabtree, Curry, Either Smith or Orakpo will be there at #7.
Some mocks also have Tyson Jackson moving into the Top 6 and if he AND Sanchez crack the Top 6 then I will be losing my stuff because that means that either Jason Smith, Aaron Curry, Michael Crabtree or Eugene Monroe will be a Raider. OR we will have the fire power to move down and get some serious value back.
Are you pumped yet???
Here is a List of Players That May Get Traded and what Round Pick I'd expect for them:
Burgess: 3rd Rounder
Walter: 5th Rounder
Bush: 2nd Rounder or to Tampa for their First rounder after what he did to them last year.
Warren: 5th Rounder
I'll be gettiing to The Warehouse by Noon, if anyone has a laptop to TV connector can you bring it? We can Blog and show S&BP on one of the TVs.
Cheers, and see you at The Warehouse!!!
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This Is So Exciting
From reports, we are going to get Heyward-Bey or Maclin. I would be somewhat okay with Heyward-Bey, but Maclin, I would be very disappointed. 4.4 is definitely Al Davis speed.
Michael Crabtree would be my choice if I can get to choose and I hope Al feels the same. I still hope he grab Raji and tries to fix the run defense.
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I don't want either of them:
I want Andre and Robiskie.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I will
be happy with Smith or Monroe, I think the Bengals like Smith so if Monore is there I think he is the smart safe pick
Monroe on the Left Side and Henderson the Right!!!!
With Satele, Carlisle and Gallery would give us a solid O-Line for YEARS to come.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions
THEN we can move to Wide-Out
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Saint
What if Khalif Barnes pans out good for us?
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We only have him for one year:
IF he pans out is a BIG IF. And, as you know, there are always bodies going down on the O-Line, so he will be insurance. Heck. he may even beat out Henderson on the right side.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Bud Lights Picks
RAC
Duke
Ramses
Kevin Ellison
Best O lIne
You really like Orakpo that much huh?
I guess I just don’t see it.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I do
I know he is a “work out warrior” but also VERY productive in college. Raiders need a pass rush, and he is the best. Plus he is 4-3 DE and will fit our scheme great.
Duke is Coop’s backup for a year and takes over next year plus can slide out to RT if needed.
Ramses is 6"6" w speed and gives JM a red zone target.
Ellison is a solid safety that can lay wood.
Better start drinking NOW!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Orakpo
Bud Light kinda beat me to what I was gonna say, but i"ll repeat it since we disagree on Orakpo.
Orakpo is the definition of the workout warrior and those guys are always boom or bust. The Raiders have GOT to draft well because things FINALLY seem like they could be on the right track and even if he is there, we can’t take the risk of a Derrick Harvey or Vernon Gholston situation.
I think Orakpo is unlikely regardless because I read somewhere (forget where, but it was a reputable source) that Al is really really high on Trevor Scott’s potential and sees him as an anchor at end for years to come and is apparently content to have Jay Richardson or Burgess or whoever hold down the other side.
Henderson
So many sports writers seem to be pretending that Mario Henderson doesn’t even exist, despite the fact that he manned J-Russ’s blindside, shut down some of the best pass rushers int he game and was rarely whistled for penalties.
With Henderson on the left and Oher or Smith—the two best run blockers in the draft—manning the right for D-Mac and Bush and Huggy Bear….we’ll have something big.
Truly!!! I'm Luvin' Andre Smith!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Maclin and DHB
If we take DHB with #7 I will join everyone’s pukefest here. I just can’t understand why so many people rate him so highly. I have him as an early second rounder. There’s too many questions about him to my way of thinking to justify a top-10 pick. If he’s still there and we take him with our second pick, I won’t say a word. He’s a good project to take there.
As for Maclin…..have to disagree with my fellow Raiders fanatics, much as I hate to.
Read this detailed scouting report and tell me you wouldn’t LOVE having this kid here:
Some highlights:
Athletic Ability: Maclin has good overall muscle development and appears to have more than enough strength to defeat the jam. He demonstrates an explosive burst coming off the snap and the loose hips to make defenders miss when weaving through traffic. He shows that second gear to turn a slant pass into a long gainer, and with his exceptional playing speed and burst he can proudly proclaim that he has never been tackled from behind during his career. He is much more than just a receiver, as he has the lower body power to handle the rushing load and break tackles working through the pile. He also displays the vision and patience to follow his blockers and then turn on the after-burners to beat the defense down the sidelines. He has outstanding hip snap and agility to elude in attempts to gain big yardage after the catch. He makes smooth body adjustments and possesses solid hands and extension to catch away from his frame. He has outstanding balance, speed and change-of-direction agility. He shows the second-level speed and explosiveness with a fluid natural running motion to run past most defenders in isolated coverage.
Football Sense: Maclin has incredible vision and a great feel for locating the soft spots on the field. He might take his eyes off the ball a few times, but is quick to recover and settle under the pass. He needs route refinement, but is alert to pocket pressure and works back quickly when the quarterback is flushed out. He shows keen awareness on the field, especially with keeping his feet along the sidelines. He is quick to settle into the holes in the zone and is very effective as a cut blocker because of his feel for taking angles. He finds the open areas quickly and does a nice job of working back for the ball, but at this stage of the game he relies more on his speed rather than football experience. He is a good learner who needs just a few reps, thanks to solid retention skills.
Character: Maclin is outgoing and warm-hearted, displaying a work ethic that even the most impatient coach will fall in love with. He has no character issues and even though he was an underclassman, he did a good job of concentrating on academics
Competitiveness: Maclin is not the type who plays with a swagger, letting his final statistics speak volumes for his competitive nature. He is fearless going for the ball in traffic and will sacrifice himself without hesitation to make the play. He loves to compete and is very confident with producing when his number is called during crunch time (came up with four game-winning plays in 28 contests). He is very tough and aggressive going for the ball, but you would like to see him take a more aggressive approach when facing up as a blocker. When on his game, he will give a good, consistently high effort and he always comes prepared to play, but will sometimes frustrate the coaches by taking the ball out of bounds rather than attempt to drive through the defender. He will perform through pain.
Work Habits: To Maclin, football is important. He is a good worker in all areas, a team-first guy who is generally the last to leave the practice field. He is not the type who needs to be pushed a bit in the weight room, an area that he always embraces. While most draft eligibles left home in January to work at training facilities in preparation for the Combine, Maclin was a regular visitor at the Missouri training facility, preferring to work out on his own. That work ethic produced one of the better Combine results by a player in 2009
Seriously, guys….re-consider your feelings on Maclin. He and Russell could be a lethal combination.
THAT BEING SAID….I still would take Oher or Smith with our pick because there are so many good receivers that guys like Robieskie or maybe even Hakeem Nicks will be sitting right there in the second round.
Hold the phone
Sal Paolantonio of ESPN is reporting (jsut on SportsCenter, no link up yet that I know) that the Cardinals have lowered their demands for Anquan Boldin to a second rounder and “other considerations.”
Wonder what those would be.
They’re in need of a running game. Our 2nd + Fargas? I hate to see him go, but with Bush and D-Mac and with the benefit of getting such an AMAZING receiver for Rusell, it might be worth it.
By the way...
If, by some miracle (and an act of God is what it will take) Aaron Curry would fall to #7….I hope we don’t even hesitate. That’s a GIFT to have a player that talented fall into your lap, even if your priority is offense in this draft.
Okay, I’ll stop monopolizing the comments now :-)
Curry would be the biggest no-brainer:
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad News on Chip Vaughn and perhaps Robiskie in the 2nd:
According to KFFL, Vaughn has risen up the charts AND the Rams are looking at WR in the 2nd.
Rams | Would be willing to trade down in second round
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Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:27:39 -0700
Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports the St. Louis Rams have let it be known that they are willing to trade down in the second and third rounds of the NFL Draft.
Rams | Looking at wide receiver in second round of NFL Draft?
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Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:41:50 -0700
Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports the St. Louis Rams would love to see either Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey or North Carolina WR Hakeem Nicks fall to the team in the second round of the NFL Draft.
Bills | Have considerable interest in Vaughn
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Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:39:01 -0700
Tyler Dunne, of BuffaloFootballReport.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are one of four to five teams that have expressed “considerable interest” in Wake Forest S Chip Vaughn, according to a league source.
Seahawks | Could draft C. Vaughn in third round
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Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:25:33 -0700
Tyler Dunne, of BuffaloFootballReport.com, reports the Seattle Seahawks will draft Wake Forest S Chip Vaughn if he is still available in the third round of the NFL Draft, according to a league source.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions
Mike Mitchell
The Raiders have Plan B for the safety need with Mike Mitchell from Ohio. If Vaughn isn’t there in the 3rd they’d probably target Mitchell in the 4th. However, with all the wheeling and dealing going on the Raiders may have extra picks to move up in the 3rd to ensure they get their guy in Vaughn. I’d almost prefer they take both of them with the position being so weak for us.
Most Likely Draft: I don't even know anymore.
I agree
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Apr 25, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I have said from day one
the Raiders will not draft a WR at #7, in about 4 hours I will find out if I am right. It will be so good to get this behind us, too many rumors, too many mock drafts, my head is spinning. The Raiders have done so many good things this off season, cannot see them screwing it up now with a WR. My one caveat is that Maclin is also a punt/KO returner so he brings immediate results. We are in good shape there anyway, but never enough good returners.
By the way...
….given Stafford’s ridiculous contract, can we expect apologies from all the sportswriters who took Davis to task for Russell’s contract? No, I dont’ think so either.
Here's to trading down
and trading burgess and trading Walter.
Look for Orkapo to fall to us everyone. I can almost guarantee it. I’m 95% sure.
i also hope kiper is right and we get monroe.
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
If Orakpo is there
we won’t take him over Crabtree, A. Smith, Monroe and even possibly Maclin.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Apr 25, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade Down With Buffalo
Let Buffalo move to #7 so they can get the OT they want, we move down to 11 and take Orakpo, then target WR in the 2nd round plus have extra picks to address needs. I’d be fine with it.
Most Likely Draft: I don't even know anymore.
Yes, but
Buffalo will probably be happy to take Oher at 11.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Apr 25, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
nothing is
I think he will be our pick. Or Raji. I think Davis is stepping away from going after pure speed demons. But still, there is still that thought of him going after speed. Please Al, don’t mess us up. Please
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Guys
Is today going to include the second round?
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Good luck on draft day
Normally I don’t say good luck to AFC West opponents, but I really look forward to the AFC West regaining its’ historic prominence. Plus, Saint has a good site and KAIZ3R and some other raiders fans are good people to blog with.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
I will miss Cutler, but we have to move on.
His detractors are numerous, but no one can ever say that his style was boring. Getting extra first day picks allows for great flexibilty, it is exciting to have so many options and to have a front office that is not predictable.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You are right
and you guys really should have a good draft, but I hope not too good.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Apr 25, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Now
like 5 mocks have us taking DHB. If Al really likes the kid move back into the late first to get him
NOTHING!!!
But, he is always looking for the next Cliff Branch.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If Monroe is there
at 7 and we pass for a late first round WR project I wont be a happy camper
Someone told me
that John Clayton said we wont pass on Crabtree for DHB if available, hope that is true
Im guessing
Curry even though everyone seems to say Jackson today. Id rather have them take Jackson because that pushes one more player our way
That's a surprise
I had hoped he would fall to us; and I totally thought they would take sanchez or O-line…
Just HIT somebody.
Browns will be interesting
Maybe trade, Orakpo or Raji
good point
I can totally see them grabbing crabtree
by nateroddick20 on Apr 25, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
had to give up a lot
to move from 17 to 5
by nateroddick20 on Apr 25, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
three players
DE Kenyon Coleman
QB Brett Ratlif
S Abram Elam
17th nand 57th overall picks this draft
You are? The Raiders just drafted James Jett again, a speed burner who can't catch the
damn ball
by theblackpearl on Apr 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No I think he'll be a hard worker
Personally I wanted to go D with RAK, but DHB over Crabtree. Time will only tell though.
Anyone see how disappointed Crabtree is?
Just HIT somebody.
ONe thread
We need to choose which thread to be in; I’m getting confused switching between the two.
Just HIT somebody.
How can you all be happy about this?
They could have easily traded back and picked up DHB later on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
I'm the only one that's pleased
…but only on a WR basis. We should have gone OT or D.
Just HIT somebody.
I think I'm going to stay in the mocking the draft
There seems to be more activity
Just HIT somebody.
I can't believe this
If the Raiders wanted DHB so bad they could have traded down for more draft picks and still got him probably in the second round

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