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Wherein I get annoyed by Tim Kawakami and make fun of the Rams

First, I need everyone to read this link.....if you don't, you'll be lost:

 

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/04/27/raiders-non-greatness-its-all-about-the-weakness-of-al-davis-draft-record/#more-4382

 

That is a blog post by Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury about the Raiders' draft.  Under the name "Raconteur", I posted a comment in response:

There’s a great deal of perception in this column, but there’s also quite a bit of distortion.

First of all time, you’re not exactly making Raider Nation cry by listing some of those 49ers draft picks: Eric Johnson, Andy Lee, Eric Heitmann, Kyle Kosier, Parys Haralson, Joe Staley. I’m not going to pine over not having them.

That some point applies with some of the other names you throw out to taunt us with. I mean, really, Sage Rosenfels? You can do better.

The thing that annoys me most of all is this: hindsight in general is a double-edged sword and never more so than when applied to the NFL draft. Every year we get the same things, “Can’t miss prospect!” “He’s a franchise QB in the making!” “A stud tackle that’ll anchor the left side for years!” “A big, fast linebacker that plays with a mean streak!”

Alternatively we also get…”He’s a bust waiting to happen!” “He comes from a spread system! He’ll never learn the pro game!” “His mechanics are all off!” “He doesn’t know how to shed blockers!”

If your point was to demonstrate that Al isn’t the all-powerful talent evaluator he thinks he is and as some of my more ardent fellow members of Raider Nation still believe…..then, I agree. But just say that.

But, don’t mock Al for taking Robert Gallery #2 overall in 2004. All the experts were saying the same things about Gallery then that they said about Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe this year. At the time, it seemed like the safe, logical, sensible choice.

And if he continues the level of play in the future that he did the last several games of 2008, then it looks like Mario Henderson may be the guardian of Russell’s blindside for years to come. A steal in the third round! Any credit there for that selection?

I agree that Al’s emphasis on speed is a fatal flaw in his drafting. In particular this applies to cornerbacks, as witness Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt. With receivers, it’s hit and miss. Johnnie Lee Higgins had a disastrous rookie campaign, but bounced back last year. If he plays like the ‘08 JLH instead of the ‘07 one, then he’ll be a very successful speedster.

For every success, though, there’s a Carlos Francis type. However, you bring up Jared Allen as an example of how Davis’ focus on speed blinded him to another good prospect. Fair enough, but consider this: 31 other teams blew that one as well, including Kansas City for three rounds. I’m sure when the pick was announced, Kiper said something like, “Allen’s got a great motor and a nose for the QB, but [insert flaws here] kept him from going higher. He projects to be a situational rusher at best.”

Who knew? Which I guess is my point. Al is certainly deficient as a talent evaluator, but the way you’re going about point this out is disingenuous at best.

Just thought I'd offer this as food for thought here.  If I get a chance, I'll offer my draft thoughts with in the next day.  If not, well........a lot of what I have to say has been said already. :-)

Star-divide

 I don't want to make it seem like I'm an ardent Davis defender.  But when all you hear about in the media is "ALL AL DAVIS CARES ABOUT IS SPEED AND THAT'S WHY THE RAIDERS SUCK!" it starts to get annoying.  Davis may have his problems as a scout and drafter, but he's hardly the only one. But you'd think based on the media, he's the only one. 

Witness the comedy of errors that has been the St. Louis Rams since 2000:

 

2000:  Coming off a Superbowl Triumph.  How did they do?

 Trung Canidate (31st selection)--  Currently out of football.  Spent only 4 seasons in the league and amassed less than 1100 yards rushing.

Jacoby Shepherd (62nd selection)--Also currently out of football after only 4 seasons.  He amassed SEVEN tackles and 1 interception in that time.

2001.  They had 3 first round picks.  How did they do?

Damione Lewis (12th selection)--Currently with the Carolina Panthers.  Has amassed an average of about 25 tackles and not quite 3 sacks per season.  Not exactly overwhelming.

Adam Archuleta (20th selection)-- Started off brilliantly but went rapidly downhill.  Currently out of football.

Ryan Pickett (29th selection)-- Pretty solid career, averaging over 48 tackles per year.  Not currently with the team, though, and never emerged as the dominating force you want from a first round pick.

Tommy Polley (42nd selection)-- In what's rapidly becoming a theme here....out of football.  Had a pretty decent career, actually, so I don't know if that was due to injury or what.

2002:

Robert Thomas (31st selection)-- Spent just 3 seasons with the Rams and played just two games for the Raiders last year.

Travis Fisher (64th selection)-- Having a pretty decent career actually, about what you'd expect for a late 2nd rounder.........but has also left St. Louis for greener pastures.

2003:

Jimmy Kennedy (12th selection)-- Currently with the Vikings, has played just 9 games the last three seasons and has only 99 tackles for his career.

Pisa Tinoisamoa (43rd selection)-- No arguments here.  Great pick.

2004:

Steven Jackson (24th selection)-- Again, an awesome pick.  Probably the best player on the team.

Anthony Hargrove (91st selection)-- Back to fail, as he is (say it with feeling!)...out of football!

2005:

Alex Barron (19th selection)--  Has proven durable, missing only 3 games in his career and done a decent job on the other side from Orlando Pace...but one wonders if he was worth a Top 20 pick, they would've moved him to the left and not needed to pick Jason Smith this year.

Ronald Bartell (50th selection)-- Actually a good choice.  has had a productive career, just what you'd expect for a mid 2nd rounder.  Still with the team too!

2006:

Tye Hill (15th selection)-- Has played all of 12 games the past two seasons.  Seems like an effective player if he could stay healthy, which apparently he can't.

Joe Klopfenstein (46th selection)-- Has all of 33 catches in three years.  Seems a bit high just to take a blocking tight end, dontcha think?

2007:

Adam Carriker (13th selection)-- Currently tearing up the NFL with....43 tackles and 2 sacks in his career.  Not exactly top 15 worthy.

 

But do we ever hear about this?  Nope, just about what fools the Raiders are.  

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You have to understand

that Kawakami is persona non grata in the Raiders locker room so obviously he likes to attack the Raiders and specifically Al, no problem, he does the same thing with the Warriors and presumably Giants and A’s also although I never read him since the only time I hear quotes from him they are generally proven to be false. Remember he was the one who “broke” the Harbaugh as next coach of the Raiders. It really means nothing what the experts say, the truth will come out in about a year or two. Just remember that these writers are the same guys who wrote in the school newspaper in high school because they were too small and clumsy to play for their teams. They know nothing about sports or athletics. If you notice Kiper always phrases most of his opinions by::“several scouts told me” or “several teams don’t have him on the board.”

by Laoren on Apr 28, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great one!

Screw Kawakami, man. Who is he, really?!

I remember everybody hatin’ on us after picking Asomugha, and now?! He’s the best CB in the entire league. Period.

Al sure isn’t the best drafter in the NFL, and he makes many questionable decicsion, too. I never agreed with the firing of Gruden for example.

But here’s the case:
Al is our owner and we can’t really change this, apart from that, he’s the only real legend left in the league, so we gotta pay him some credit for building the greatest franchise of ’em all.
So, the only thing we can do is hope that his decisions turn out the way he planned them to…

I will forever love the Oakland Raiders, no matter who our owner is and no matter who makes the calls on the sideline. I’ll not be d’accord with everything anybody of the organisation decides, but that should not take your pride away!

Just win, baby!

by trentemoeller on Apr 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gruden was fired

Trading a coach for 2 1st rd picks, 2 2nd rd picks and cash is not a firing and no other owner would ever pass that up.

by Trackguy24 on Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I called it firing, because I’m still mad at Al for this one. Gruden can contribute more to a franchise, than those picks could. Ans he demonstrated that to us. I think you should remember that Super Bowl maybe as good as Gannon does…now what’s worth more? 4 Picks or a Super Bowl? Plus a coach that was, in my mind, a perfect fit for the organisation.

Better don’t talk to me about Gruden…I loose myself over this sometimes.

Just win, baby!

by trentemoeller on Apr 28, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

besides the fact, that Al wasn’t really liking his horizontal passing game at all, as, like we all know, Al wanted it vertical. I think his contract was expiring, too…

Just win, baby!

by trentemoeller on Apr 28, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think that this is one of the great thing about being a raiders fan

the team everybody loves to hate – I think a lot of the media ant-raiders bias comes from the fact that the raiders run a tight ship and no-one talks to the media which makes their job harder.

All this bullshit will just make it sweeter when we finally get back on top

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

by Ozraider on Apr 28, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

just because the rams make crappy picks....

doesnt mean we have to. The rams continue to be in last place for a reason. I want to win games and get to the superbowl. I dont care what other teams do.

Drafting crappy makes us the laughing stock. as long as we keep drafting like 2009, we will be drafting right behind the lambs. It would be interesting to compare our picks to the lambs. Awsomia = Sjax. anybody else??

by gl12ox05 on Apr 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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