Now this is getting ridiculous...
by raiderrocker18 on Apr 30, 2009 8:39 PM PDT
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PrintAre you all nuts? I understand you support your team, just like I do, but stop comvincing yourself that Bey was the right pick. Before that draft, NOBODY on this site wanted Darrius Heyward Bey, and everyone that wanted a receiver said Crabtree. Now i'm reading all this stuff of how Bey was the right choice and Crabtree is a guaranteed bust. This is stupidity.
The fact is, Crabtree would have been the better pick. He doesn't have great speed... Ya well Larry Fitzgerald, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, etc. were all great wide receivers and didn't have great speed.
Don't talk about Bey being a better prospect. One week ago everyone was saying "please don't take Bey, take Crabtree or Raji". Now everybody has switched to saying "Bey is way better than Crabtree". Don't be naive. It was the wrong pick. It may pay off, and you never know who will be a bust and who will be a surprise, but as of right now, it was the WRONG pick. Get over it, and stop lying to yourselves.
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Crabtree's attitude is what not made me want him
Sure before the draft I was Crabtree, Crabtree, Crabtree but, after we took DHB and he went to SF it occurred to me that DHB was the better pick especially when Cable said we were planing on taking him for months so I’m happy with this pick and the overall draft.
Defense Wins Championships and So does Jamarcus Russell!
I can say...
I never wanted crabass and I definitely didn’t want DHB but raider rocker is right. My arguments against everybody on here before the draft was because everyone was all pumped up for crabass as I wanted Raji or Monroe. Davis and cable didn’t pick DHB over crabass because of his diva attitude, they picked him because he ran a faster 40 time regardless of the fact that crabass had better hands, better route running and better stats.
-NEGATIVE- kawelu oh he's gonna cry in the car
In the NFL we’ll just see who has the better hands.
- on Crytree has better route running though.
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
Yo fog, what the hell are you talking about...
crying in the car, bring something to the debate that everyone can understand. DHB has more speed but I already know that crabass has the better hands and route running.
Dito
nobody knew about his attitude before the draft and I think most people here like not having picked Crabtree because he obviously didn’t wanna play for the Raiders.
Adding the stuff, Singletary said about Crabtree, you gotta be happy about not having this diva around here.
I still think we should’ve traded down, but who knows?! maybe there was no team willing to trade up, mainly because Sanchez was gone at #7…
Just win, baby!
by trentemoeller on May 1, 2009 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Dito to what...
we took DHB instead solely based on his speed, it had nothing to do with the diva attitude of crabass. NEW FLASH: unfortunately nobody wants to play for the raiders whether it be because of the endless drama or the rebuilding mode.
Not this guy
You can look back at everything I’ve posted and what you will find is me saying " your getting Crabtree, NOT the Texas Tech Red Raiders!!!!! He is a good reciever playing for a great coach in a great offense with a good QB (well i said great QB) I didn’t want a WR at all but if we did get one I want DHB or Hakeem Nicks.
by Black and Silver Express on Apr 30, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions
How can it be the wrong pick right now?
I agree that the constant bickering is getting ridiculous but it is not the wrong pick, it might be someday, or it might be pure genius, time will tell us that. No pick is right or wrong until the final tally comes in, and that is years away. Hell, Russell might have been the wrong pick, or McFadden, we don’t know yet. I think there is real good chance that Safford or Sanchez are the wrong pick but can’t make the comment yet.
by Laoren on Apr 30, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
We won’t know whether it was the right pick for several years, based on NFL production.
Your claim that DHB was the “wrong” pick is based on either your own or the media’s perceived value of particular players and the necessity to draft according to those values. The media gets it right about as often as a monkey picking stocks, and I’ll take Tom Cable’s and Al Davis’ opinion over all of our sophomoric opinions any day.
Cable sold me on the pick based on his description of DHB’s role on the team and the idea he may be closer to NFL ready based on Maryland’s pro-style offense. I also agree with Cable that if DHB had been in a spread offense his numbers would be better than both Crabtree’s and Maclin’s. Go back and watch some of those highlight videos again – when DHB gets a bubble screen he is even more dangerous than either of them.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
That's the thing...
to not know for several years how a draft pick is going to work out is nerve racking. Why not take the players with better talent and less bust potential. We need players to make an immediate impact from their rookie year, especially if he’s going to warrant our #7 pick in the 1st round. Not wait around for a couple years while they learn to better their craft. It’s definitely possible as Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson are prime examples but you need talent and fundamentals, not speed as both of them are not known for that.
I KEEP HOPEING FOR YOU TO MAKE A GOOD POINT
but just sounds like a bunch of doublethink. Sorry kawelu
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
I'm just hoping for you to learn how to spell...
I take pride in always making a good point. I can’t guarantee that people like you(anyone that always agrees with davis) will understand it.
DHB
I disagree kawelu, respectfully of course. The Raiders need a lot more than a few quick fixes and we didn’t hire DHB to be a ‘go to’ guy. We hired him to catch a long ball from time to time and make the other team have to spend coverage on him every time he steps on the field. Just like Mitchell will hopefully get a few big hits and make all those receivers nervous enough to drop a few balls.
ok there's so much wrong with your argument
you’re saying it’s a good thing we spent a #7 overall on a situational player? If we wanted a guy “to catch a long ball from time to time and make the other team have to spend coverage on him every time he steps on the field” we would have wised up and drafted Mike Wallace in the fourth. He ran a 4.3 40 just like Bey, is only two inches shorter and has better hands and made up for the height difference with a better vertical.
Sadly Al and Tom are dumb enough to believe Bey will be a go to guy. Hell no, if you want a Larry Fitzgerald you look at Michael Crabtree. To argue that we drafted Bey to stretch the field is ridiculous.
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
Difference of opinion
R3ZZ I never said DHB would be a situational player. I think he’ll be on the field for most offensive downs. And I disagree that Al and Tom are dumb enough to believe Bey will be a ‘go to’ guy. The ‘value’ of that pick can’t be known by any of us or even Davis and Calbe for a while. My point is (think of it in military terms) DHB and Mitchell were hired as ‘force multipliers’ or in Cable’s terms (about DHB) to make other players better.The Raiders are a TEAM of 53 not a bunch of players only to be evaluated as individuals. If you can hire a couple guys who can help the whole team that is a far better ‘value’ than someone who’s only gonna shine in his own spot and not improve the overall team. That would be a waste of a pic. You could argue that their overall strategy is flawed, but in following thier strategy they made good picks.
OK I’m done talking about Bey. All of us are full of shit if we think we can predict how DHB will fit in. We’ll just have to wait and see.
We do need more than quick fixes...
so before you worry if we got the fastest WR, worry about if our QB can even get the ball to DHB. Fix both of our lines first and everything will fall into place. Our #1 WR should be our “go to guy” and catch anything that throw to him regardless if it’s for a toucndown or a much needed 1st down to keep the drive going. We know DHB is fast but we don’t know if he’s going to catch the ball or even run the right route.
you dont know if any of these wr in this years draft will do that though…its funny people talk about suring up the line all the time…does everyone think that your going to draft a rookie and hes going to be a probowl left tackle…if there is one thing to remember as a raider fan its gallery he was more of a cant miss prospect than any of these lineman and he cant play tackle..the draft in general is not certain
no we're not gonna get over
i hope that crabtree is a straight bust and that dhb is an absolute stud.
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That would be a dream
I think that DHB will be a little better than Crabtree because the Raiders are more fundamentally sound than the 49er’s.
Defense Wins Championships and So does Jamarcus Russell!
Seriously?
In 2008, Shaun Hill played 8 games and threw just as much TD’s as Jamarcus Russell. Hill also had a higher QB rating than Russell. Russell beat Hill in yardage as he eclipsed Hill by nearly 400 yards, but if you add in J.T O’Sullivan (who started the other 8 games) Jamarcus looks like a pee wee player. I’d like to believe with Vernon Davis, Isaac Bruce, Frank Gore, and now Glenn Coffee all in place The 49ers are more “fundamentally sound.”
Oh yeah and by the way they have a better defense than us too.. Think before you blurt stuff out like this
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
Apparently there are plenty Raider faithful on this site that have had enough of the koolaid being dispensed by guys such as nishal, saint, gametime, and that ape whom all he can say is “so and so is gonna cry in the car” fogtown….
Put the kool aid down and walk away!!!!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on May 1, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
lol I respect guys like you
how do you feel about the Bey over Crabtree selection??
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
Sorry
For having faith in my Team? Maybe you should try it sometime.
Defense Wins Championships and So does Jamarcus Russell!
sniff sniff….Im sorry Nishal…did i hurt your feelings…maybe fogtown should come in and say nishal is gonna cry in the car! LOL!….
Dude, I have plenty of faith in my team. Ive been a fan of my team since 1977. Guess what. They had a crappy draft too. They concentrated on one position where they were already solid….but I can see that. Im not a koolaid drinker like you are
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on May 4, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
A FAN OF MAYBE A red raider
JUST REMEMBER YOU ARE NOT A TRU OAKLAND RAIDERS FAN IF YOU DONT SUPPORT THE TEAM AT GAME TIME. IT’S SILVER AND BLACK ON MINES
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
R3ZZ
You just said it Shaun Hill played half the Season and J.T played the other half that is inconsistency at the QB position already. Why Did Jamarcus end up as one of the top rated QB’s in the last 6 weeks? Before you start talking about who is more Fundamentally sound maybe you should look at some additions we made during something we call an “Offseason” I don’t need to name those players that we have gotten because it’s all over this site, if you have enough brains you would check it out first. SF had a better defense than we did well, you could say that but, we finished in the top 10 when it come to pass defense they finished 20th. So, maybe you should take your own advise. I also believe that DHB was the right pick for us and we will see come season 2009.
Defense Wins Championships and So does Jamarcus Russell!
they split the season
and both of them did nearly as good as Russell who started the whole season. The only reasin O’Sullivan was benched was because of Singletary. Now that Singletary is the head coach Hill (who bettered O’Suillivan) will have the reigns all season
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
wow how ever did u come up with that nickname
for the 49ers. must have took u awhile. come on man were just listing facts and talking about our team and your team with respect. were not on here saying the faders or something. we know your a fan of the raiders and we get it that you dont like other teams but when we are talking about certain topics nobody is gonna take u seriously if u just come up with silly names to call us.
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 8, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
high ambitions
but Crabtree will be in the league longer than Bey. Who will be lucky to see a second contract bigger than a few thousand over the minimum
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
How can you tell
Who is going to have a longer career when neither of them played in a professional football game yet?
Defense Wins Championships and So does Jamarcus Russell!
I never said Bey will suck
I also said you never know who will be good and bad. That doesn’t mean completely ignoring who did better in college. Just because you dont know who will do good wouldn’t justify taking Slade Norris with the number 1 overall pick saying “he might do good and aaron curry sucks”.
I am fully aware that Bey may end up better than Crabtree. However, just looking at films and numbers, and accolades, Crabtree was the better prospect.
All of you saying “i wanted Crabtree, but after the draft I decided Bey was better” are being ignorant. If the Raiders DID pick Crabtree, you would have said “Crabtree was the best receiver in the draft and the Raiders got a great player”. This is all hindsight bias. Just becasue the Raiders picked Bey, all of a sudden he was the right answer. The bottom line is, whoever the Raiders picked, you would all be sayin “ya for sure he’s the right guy”. The fact is, Crabtree was the best receiver prospect in the draft, and the Raiders passed on him for an unproductive speedster. Bey’s 13 touchdowns in 3 years (4.3 average) does not impress me. Crabtree had 19 touchdowns. LAST SEASON.
Bey never even had an 800 yard season. 800 is not even that great, and he never even reached that. Crabtree consistently had 1000.
If you think Crabtree wasn’t fast enough, Maclin is a fast guy, and he equaled Bey’s career touchdowns last season, with 1200 yards.
Bey very well could become the best, but wasn’t the smartest choice.
Ya i know he is in a pro system with a not as good qb, but 4.3 touchdowns per year in college is not number 7 overall worthy. Crabtree had more touchdowns
by raiderrocker18 on Apr 30, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions
+
in a season than Bey’s career. He was the best prospect.
by raiderrocker18 on Apr 30, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you'll notice
how no one takes on RR18’s point directly…
all they do is mindlessly grunt, “DHB is a better pick” when MOST of these guys are on record as wanting SOMEONE else. But they wont admit that. hell, even saint had to admit that
Question: I don’t care who you want. Where will the Raiders ultimately go with the seventh overall pick in this year’s draft?
Answer: They will be unable to pass on Michael Crabtree
but now he’s all twisted himself into knots tryin to explain WHY dhb is better, will be better, etc….its just ignorant and selfdelusional
SAD
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on May 1, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
you seem to have a real problem with us bashing on Crabass^^
You’re from TT so its okay to support Crabtree and none of us said he is a bad receiver, but lets wait until, lets say, week 8 and you’ll see that Heybey will have put up the better numbers…
Just win, baby!
by trentemoeller on May 1, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Al Doesn't care about Divas
it’s why he brought in Deangelo Hall
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
You guys REALLY are deluding yourselves if you think THAT had anything to do with Al Davis’ decision. But keep tying urselves up in knots. go ahead….drink the kool aid
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on May 1, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
attitude argument is silly
Who said crabtree has an attitude problem one coach mangini. the man that was just fired by the jets. Not some great organization with a tradition of super bowls. and then look what he’s been doing to the franchise he’s in charge of now trading every good player. his coaches fellow players and opposing coaches have all said he’s a great kid. regardless lets say he’s arrogant. then what. he’s earned the right. Not bey he sucked in college 5 touchdowns last year are you fing kidding me. lets drink the Al davis over the hill kool aid. lets see this for what it is a reach and a mistake at 7. maybe not at 20 but 7 before maclin and crabtree defininitely a reach and a reason why our front office is the laughing stock of the league. Look at number 7 we drafted a shorter slower Usain Bolt and he wasn’t even drafted. HAHA. I love being a raider fan.
raiderrocker oh he's gonna cry in the car
News flash: Crabtree is not wit the RAIDERS there for he sucks. Hey Bey Bey is the Man. In the draft I thought needs were DL, maybe OL, 2nd WR, but we have addressed the OL with FA’s an are doing the same with the D. I give the draft a solid B grade.
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
hey bey bey
i like that
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by gametime_gsw on May 1, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree is not wit the RAIDERS there for he sucks.
you just proved RaiderRocker’s point fogtown….ignorant
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on May 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
so every player that doesn't play for the Raiders suck?
We should tell the NFL that since only two Raiders made the All Pro roster..
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
Your right, fog...
We finally agreed on something that we should have addressed DL and OL first in the draft. As far as the B grade, mine is a D just for the fact that we still have to wait and see first when the season starts.
I think it's absurd
that you think Heyward Bey was not the right pick. What are you a football scout? Layoff and let DHB play before you go and say he wasn’t the right selection. Or why dont you go a step further and label him a bust already like the morons over at ESPN? If you know anything about our team then you know that DHB was the perfect selection. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to drafting players so layoff and get on the DHB wagon where you belong Raider fan.
He was the wrong pick because he does not hold enough value to warrant a #7 pick
Crabtree is a complete NFL ready wide out whereas Bey has issues dropping the ball and can’t make a cut on a route to save his life.
What are you a football scout?
Weak argument considering all the football scouts are saying Bey over Crabtree was the wrong way to go at #7. Well except the Raiders scouts and Eric Mangini but that isn’t exactly a lot of credential to back the argument.
If you know anything about our team then you know that DHB was the perfect selection.
You should have said “if you anything about Al Davis.” Bey is a burner that sucks at running any route except the slant and the crooked slant, we have a burner in Higgins already, so this same statement can be used against you.
Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to drafting players so layoff and get on the DHB wagon where you belong Raider fan.
Nothing is guaranteed when you buy stocks either but you still do you’re research and see which one is worth the investment… Unless the situation i sinstead of stocks it’s players in the draft and you’re Al Davis, in which case you’re pure genius football knowledge allows you to waste picks on guys who you’ve only seen run the 40.
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
save it
save your criticism until you see DHB and crabdiva perform on the field. you’re sure gonna sound like an idiot when DHB outperforms crabdiva in the regular season. you must not be a Raider fan.
fyi – Al Davis is a football legend who knows a thing or 2 about football. Who in the hell are you to criticize his selections?
by The Autumn Wind on May 1, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right Davis does know football
2000-Sebastian Janikowski- Boom (12-4)
2001-Derrick Gibson- Bust (10-6)
2002-Phillip Buchanon- Bust (11-5)
2003-Nmandi Asomugah- Boom (4-12)
2003-Tyler Brayton- Bust
2004-Robert Gallery- Bust (5-11)
2005-Fabian Washington- Bust (4-12)
2006-Michael Huff- Bust (2-14)
2007-Jamarcus Russell- ? (4-12)
2008-Darren McFadden- ? (5-11)
But it was the coaches fault Al Davis has turned in more 5 win seasons in the last decade than every GM except Matt Millen, because Al Davis knows a thing or two about football.
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
R3ZZ and Tortilla Pirate u have all the good points in this debate
p.s. all those people that are saying crabdiva or crabass or he’s not a raider so he sucks. wow ur just coming of as a bitter old man that didnt get what u wanted so now ur pissed and feel the need to make a point by being exactly wrong. i bet u guys were like CRABTREE CRABTREE CRABTREE!!! then when the pick came in and it was BEY u guys were like awww F**k Crabtree sucks hes a diva coming up with any little excuse to make it seem like u never wanted crabtree. I respect most of the people who post here and Raider fans like my brother but for those other ones that come up with uninformed posts that just shows u know very little about players/football in general.
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I was hoping for Crabtree
I was like F*** when Rodger said Darrius Heyward Bey but, I’m making the most of it and I am liking this pick alot more now than I did but, I believe that they will have good careers with both the Raiders and 49er’s.
Defense Wins Championships and So does Jamarcus Russell!
i respect this post
i respect it because u dont write off any of the two because i mean how can u? they havent even played a snap as a raider/niner. Also to point out something else what people are saying crabtree wont succeed because he thinks hes all bad and he’s a diva. I know a couple of those players one being T.O. and he has been very successful in his career and crabtree is nowhere near the diva T.O. is. to say somebody wont succeed just because his attitude is utterly laughable. T.O., Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin all come off as irrogant and all have great careers right now. I think Crabtree isnt gonna be like them attitude wise but productivity wise he has a good chance cuz he has all the tools nessessary to be that type of player. and DHB does too its just he’s more raw needs to work on his hands/catches, drops to many balls, and disappears from games at times. thats why people question the pick because he needs more time to develop as for crabtree is more “NFL Ready” so to speak.
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 1, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
you the man, all the way
Im gonna enjoy watching my Boy Crabtree flourishing in Frisco. That means I will have to modify my hatred of the Niners. I will admit “the Catch” still gives me nightmares.
Get your Guns Up, Niners!!!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on May 7, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
you're right man
Al Davis doesn’t know anything about football. R3ZZ knows everything about football. R3ZZ for commisioner.
by The Autumn Wind on May 1, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis did know a thing about football, autumn wind...
but R3ZZ got the best of you with the listing of these bust picks. No one will argue that davis was a great football mind but our last 10 drafts suggests that he is now losing his mind.
NOTICE
only Whinners agree. Only bust was Tyler Brayton, and maybe Gibson. All the other players still in the NFL.
WIN lose OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE !!!!
Maybe gibson...
Gibson was a scrub and isn’t even in the league now. Even though Fabian Washington and Philip Buchanon are still in the league, their scrubs too because they don’t play for us anymore so we wasted our draft picks. How about Napoleon Harris, another scrub along with Tyler Brayton. The only whiners are the guys like you who agree with davis, taking all this worthless players.
Surprising you didn't say yeah, yeah,yeah...
wass up fog, I know you appreciate me because I bring cold hard facts to every debate. I would say your funny too but your not and I like to keep it real!
I wanted DHB
If you go back to the post before the draft I was calling for DHB before Crabtree. Although my dream pick was RAK.
I was happy when we picked DHB over Crabtree also, I was the only one on here for about a half an hour saying I liked the pick.
The only reason people are saying that he was a bad pick is because he wasn’t rated to go that high in the draft and that we should have traded down. You have to remember that it takes two teams to trade down, and even then there is no garuntee your guy will be there when you trade down.
Just HIT somebody.
Good Point
I’m wondering does anyone know about any reports or rumors as to if anyone even wanted to trade picks with us? I know some have speculated but I haven’t read or heard anything reliable about that. I have read a couple post about other teams wanting DHB in the first but don’t remember where or who or if they were reliable either. Anybody?
No
he was a bad pick because Crabtree was still on the board. Crabtree is infinitely more talented than Bey and we passed on him.
Z- "Look I know your smart, I'm just questioning your logic in trying to discover the identity of a masked swordsman"
Based on BPA stats but not what was right for the TEAM. You must get easily distracted by shiny things.
infinitely?
infinitely more talented? You’re an idiot. How in the f are you in any position to make such a dumb f assertion? His drastically overrated college numbers? Did his silly spread offense that he came from get you to fall for him? That bs dont exist in the NFL son. Crabdiva will have a much tougher time adjusting to the NFL than DHB because he doesn’t possess the natural gifts that DHB has. In fact he’s slow. and he’s shorter than what was once believed. Crabdiva is much more likely to bust than DHB and you’re sitting here calling him infinitely more talented. you’re a joke man.
by The Autumn Wind on May 1, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
they both look to be promising
both crabs and DHB look to be good. people just say DHB may be a bust cuz he had games were he didnt even catch one ball. even if ur a run based program u at least need to catch one or two to make ur presence felt. but still i think both will be good players.
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 2, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yo 49er
We know that Jamarucs Russell will be the Starter for us but, I don’t you if you or anybody knows who your QB will be, personally I think that J.T is a better fit than Hill he made a lot of amazing throws the end of the season. And just a thought would you have taken a QB if Crab’s wasn’t there.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who find Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
dude
spell your fav player’s name right. jk
J-Mac got arm, D-Mac is unique, DHB got the hands, and he can move his feet.
Niners got Hill, he is really cheap, now they got Crabtree, hey don't fall asleep.
Oh
Nice Catch- Jamarucs Excuse me ,cough,cough,…Jamarcus Russell and he is not my Favorite Player Mr.McFadden is for future reference the only reason I have Russell’s jersey was because McFadden’s was all sold out.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
Hey
I like all our players. Just I like Nnamdi a lot more.
J-Mac got arm, D-Mac is unique, DHB got the hands, and he can move his feet.
Niners got Hill, he is really cheap, now they got Crabtree, hey don't fall asleep.
So
Let’s just say if Nnamdi wasn’t #21 and Micheal Hufff was #21 would you still like Nnamdi or Huff. So, my question is do you like the player or the number?
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
Um
If you didn’t know cousin, I liked Nnamdi from his Cal days. He was showing signs of being a shutdown corner there also. He was just inconsistent. I loved Nnamdi even when he was a rookie and no one liked him. Remember that basketball game we went to with the Raider and Niner greats and Doug Gabriel and Nnamdi. Which line did we go to? Doug Gabriel. Than after, I went into Nnamdi’s line to get his autograph.
So please, don’t question my “love” for my favorite player. It is just pure luck that both of my favorite players wore my favorite number 21. Sean Taylor, you already know I liked him at the U. It is just lucky that my favorite players took my lucky number.
Who is your favorite player? Do you even have one? Gosh, I took that one to heart, my bad bro. You know how I am.
J-Mac got arm, D-Mac is unique, DHB got the hands, and he can move his feet.
Niners got Hill, he is really cheap, now they got Crabtree, hey don't fall asleep.
My favorite player is if you didn't know
It’s not Mcfadden or Russell and he isn’t playing anymore he is an broadcast on NFL Network sometime Rod Woodson not just because he wore 26 but I liked the way he played and me, I have absolutely to interest at all in playing Safety like him, I want to be either a TE, WR,RB, or DE I’m not sure which one yet but, playing for the Cougars this year will set me up for my NFL career Cuz, I know that I will make it there and there is absolutely no Doubt and if you don’t believe that then It’s fine by me I am going to be the Best player in the Nation whatever my position may be. Keep that in mind, That came from the Heart Bro. No Offense.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
You Dont Know
its ok i mean like u said on other posts you dont really watch niner football. first off J.T.“fumbling machine” O’Sulllivan is on the bengals now so he is NOT on the niners roster anymore. 2nd of all he did throw a little better then hill but he had a huge problem hanging on to the football. 11 fumbles and he only played half of the year plus he had 11 ints and again he only played 8 games. Hill is a better leader because he doesnt make dumb decisions, takes better care of the football, and most importantly WINS football games.
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 4, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks I didn't know
Where he went so, If he is not with you then who is fighting for the starting QB position?
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
Hill
Hill is the starter and should be because he has never had a full season to show what he can do. Hill is a player that wont wow you but he does all the little things right. plus everytime he has come in late in the season he has won most of his games i think he is 7-3 as a starter if im not mistaken. Alex Smith should just be our backup just in case something happens to Hill
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 4, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
oh also
we have damon huard and nate davis but those are like QBs that if we desperatly need them due to injury then we will start them
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 4, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Niner do you think there is any chance Smith
will start?
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
i hope not
I think Hill deserves to Start the season and i know he will do good or decent at worst. If smith starts it should only be due to injury or if Hill somehow starts being inconsistent but to this point he has won us alot of games and thats all that really counts. your a Raider fan so u should know that cuz ur statement is “just win baby”
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 5, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn straight bro
not just a statement but a way of life!
Yeah it definitely seems like Hill has the inside running definitely seems like a solid starter, was really surprised that they went with O’sullivan to start last year actually because I thought Hill finished the previous season really well.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
i was suprised too
for the same reasons bro. hill did good in the last games of the season. the reason o’sullivan got the start was because he knew the martz offensive system more but he still didnt know the most important part DONT TURN THE BALL OVER. lol.
by 49ersAllTheWay on May 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah its funny though
For Martz, a guy who has had so much success – Greatest show on turf and I thought he did ok as OC in detroit his reputation has really gone down the crapper
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
No, he was a bad pick...
because Raji and Monroe was still on the board.
the bottomline is you have to take players that fit your system..we took dhb higher than he was projected but alot of people went before they were projected…crabtree DIDNT WANT TO BE A RAIDER!!..so that seals it..monroe will likely have injury problems in the future and we needed a reciever…dhb fit our system more than any of the recievers…im not going to lie and say i didnt want crabtree..but as ive said earlier..crabtree may be a better reciever but every team still needs that deep threat..and dhb was the best at that in this draft class
All this WR talk is good
BUT anyone being drafted has a 50/50 chance of making it in the NFL. Cable stated he was using Bill Walshs draft philosophy “If you want a guy you go and get that guy” Whether or not DHB will be better or Crab we will see. But Cable got his GUY!
I myself wanted us to address the D-line or LB its not whether we should have taken either WR we should have drafted Defense like Orakpo (with Burgess most likely gone next year)
AND I was PISSED that we could have had Brace in the 2nd. But they( Cable and Al) have a plan and I hope it works out. It’s all in the past now
After reading a lot about the players we got. (Although I would have done it differently) what we have done in offseason plus the draft I think we will improve. (as long as Cables belief that our DT’s are not the run D problem and he thinks coaching will improve our RUN D) he better be right with or schedule.
A tougher Hard Hitting D would be AWESOME LIGHT OUT kind of D. Mitchell I hope will strike fear in players going across the middle ala Woodson, Tatum.
Agreed
I think if you have to pick between offense and defense, work on the defense first. Especially while the Raiders are having these rough seasons. A solid defense can take you further into the players than just having an overwhelming offense. Witness the Chargers now and in the Dan Fouts era. Tons of points scored, never a Super Bowl win.
Look at the 85’ Bears. Offense wasn’t really impressive overall, but that defense absolutely could not be messed with, particularly in the Super Bowl. I lived in Chicago at the time. Was a Bears fan back then before I moved to California. It was a boring game, because the Patriots didn’t even make a show of it, couldn’t do anything at all. Only time I’ve seen a team switch quarterbacks in the middle of a Super Bowl.
Oddly enough
This year, it seems a lot of fans are unhappy with their team’s picks. Lions fans wanted Curry instead of a quarterback, and even though the Niners did get Crabtree, seems their fans were not satisfied with the draft either.
Listen man
if we drafted Crab we would be lookin at his higlights 24/7. Now that we saw what Heybey could do, I t looks like we made the right choice
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by i love sports101 on May 16, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions
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