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Oakland Raiders News: The First Round Wrinkle Determines 2nd Round Selection

In most of the Mock Drafts that I have seen or participated in, including SBN's 2009 Mock Draft, I have had the choice of either BJ Raji or one of The Michaels, Crabtree or Oher...That just sound wierd...or Oher...Oh Well...When faced with these three players I have decided on Michael Crabtree EVERY time.

What IF Crabtree gets isn't available with the 7th pick?

I haven't really asked myself that question yet, outside of seeing that Maclin would be selected and thinking that Raji would be better and that would also mean that any one of 5 of the 6 that fell to #7 between Orakpo, Monroe, Curry and the Smiths would also help the Raiders in a key area.

Al Davis has said that he will focus on building the lines on BOTH sides of the ball, which would put nearly all of these players in the mix and Curry, a linebacker, MAY be the best player of them all.

Going with a best player available philosophy, as seen with Mcfadden, can add a special talent to your team, but can also mean that you miss out on building on an integral part of your team, such as O-Line, with a player like Ryan Clady, who everyone in the known World rated as the best zone blocking lineman in the Draft, which means that your team is still rebuilding, instead of re-loading.

You know what, all of this has me reconsidering Crabtree. Seriously. And, what about trading down with someone that wants Crabtree, if he is there, and selecting Brian Cushing, Laurinitus, Maualuga or Mathews Jr  and another pick, or selecting Raji, Oher or Smith and a receiver in the second round.

The O-line has Henderson, Gallery, Satele (Or STEAL-EEEEE as I am going to call him from now on, Carlisle and Barnes/Green.

Oddly enough most offensive linemen are not drafted in the 1st Round that aren't LTs, and we have Henderson and Barnes in that position. I would call LT more of a position of strength on this team than Wide-Receiver, 2nd DT, DE, MLB, SS, FB, RT, RG and FS. It does NOT make sense to draft an LT unless you are 100% possitive that you are drafting Joe Thomas when you wil be able to fill one of your holes with a Stud like Raji, Orakpo, Curry or Crabtree who woould instantly make that position a position of strength.

 

There are some extremely interesting names that may be available in the 2nd Round and it depends COMPLETELY upon who is selected in the first Round.

I am a huge Brian Robiskie fan, but, what if Percy Harvin falls to the second round? Or Hakeem Nicks? Those are only questions IF Crabtree is NOT the pick.

Now, I am thinking that we should go:

1) Trade the pick for more picks, with a focus on improving the D-Line or drafting your Middle Linebacker.

 #1 is ONLY possible IF Crabtree is available or someone is hot to get a player that they think a team up to 5 picks down from Oakland will beat them too.

2) Draft BJ Raji in the first, and either Duke Robinson or  the best receiver available (In order for the Raiders: Robiskie, Harvin, Nicks, Barden) or Conor Barwin in the second.

3) Take Crabtree in the first and Conor Barwin, Ron Brace, Clint Sintim or Michael Johnson in the second round.

Now the question is which top two are the best? And then, what does the third round look like?

 

Here are some interesting names that could be available in the 3rd-4th Rounds:

Lawrence Sidbury:                  

Sidbury, a two-time CAA first-team selection whose 11.5 sacks in 2008 helped the Spiders win a national championship. Sidbury lacks the bulk and strength to compete as more than a rotational pass rusher at the next level, but his upfield burst and strong performance in the national championship game against Montana (four sacks) and during the week of practice at the East-West Shrine Game secured his status as a second-day draft pick.

Mike Thomas - Top of  3rd

Thomas closed out his career setting the school and Pac-10 Conference all-time record with 259 receptions. His 3,231 receiving yards placed eighth in league annals and third on the Arizona record charts

And he ran a 4.30 40 at the Combine!!!


Kraig Urbik - Top 3rd

According to coaches stats, in his final two seasons Urbik had 26 blocks that resulted in touchdowns and allowed only three sacks and two pressures on 680 pass plays. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

 

Football Sense: Urbik is very effective adjusting to line stunts and shows very good vision to pick up the twists. He works well with others on double teams and keeps his head on a swivel moving into the second level. He easily takes plays from the chalkboard to the playing field. He plays with good concentration (just three penalties during his career) and is very alert to the defender's movements. GRADE: 7.4

Chip Vaughn - 3rd

While trying to find out when two Wake Forest players were going to pay a pre-draft visit to Oakland, I found out they weren't scheduled to visit the Raiders at all. Rather, it's the Raiders who are doing the visiting. Strong safety Chip Vaughn and cornerback Alphonso Smith were penciled in for workouts at their own facility, not a trip to 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway, according to two team sources. So who will be visiting the Raiders in the weeks leading up to the April 25-26 draft?

 

You know what, after doing this exercise, I have realized (AGAIN), or rerealized, that Crabtree is the pick IF he is there in the first and Robiskie is the pick, if he is there in the 2nd and Crabtree is not already selected.

So, first two rounds would be either:

Crabtree - Johnson/Barwin/Sintim

or

Raji - Robiskie

or

Raji - Johnson/Barwin/Sintim

 

 

I would be happy with any one of these. Then in the third it would be icing on the cake to land Thomas, Vaughn or Urbik.

 

 

 

Poll
Which Combo Would You Prefer?
Crabtree - Johnson
186 votes
Crabtree - Sintim
28 votes
Crabtree - Barwin
60 votes
Raji - Robiskie
217 votes
Raji - Johnson
65 votes
Raji - Sintim
7 votes
Raji - Barwin
37 votes
Orakpo - Robiskie
57 votes
Orapko - Sintim
6 votes

663 votes | Poll has closed

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Raji / Robiskie

B.J. Raji would instantly give us a run stopping presence inside. Robiskie is a NFL ready receiver with super soft hands,Football speed and a 6’3" frame (ie Larry Fitzgerald) and is a heritage Raider.
That’s my choice, unless Curry drops to the seven slot, he is just to talented to let pass. If that happens then Curry/Robiskie.
As far as the third round + goes I say concentrate on Defense-Safety, DE LB, DT

by rambis64 on Apr 4, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chip Vaughn!!!!

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Apr 4, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all in for Chip

If he is there at our 3rd round pick

by rambis64 on Apr 5, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Love for Orakpo?

I’m surprised that your poll doesn’t have a single Orakpo combination in it, despite the fact that you acknowledged his potential availability at the 7th pick. I’m not sold on the idea that if Crabtree is gone and the Raiders are choosing between Raji, Orakpo, Oher, and A. Smith that they choose Raji. The Raiders may not like him as much as I do, but he has to at least be in the discussion.

If WR isn’t the pick in the 1st round there’s little doubt that it will be the pick in the 2nd round. I like Robiskie and Barden, and would not prefer a smaller guy like Harvin, Thomas, etc.

Chip Vaughn has to be the pick in the 3rd round, period.

4th round should be defense, but could go a lot of ways between DT, DE, or LB.

Most Likely Draft: Brian Orakpo, Ramses Barden, Chip Vaughn, etc.

by LiveAdam on Apr 4, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo Hasn't fallen to 7th in any of the Mocks that I've seen:

He MAY be there, but Crabtree and Raji have been there in most of them.

If he did fall, then I’d like Orapko and Robiskie over Raji and Robiskie.

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Apr 4, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland

I guess with the thin group of receivers the Browns also have I don’t see them passing on Crabtree. Dante Stallworth won’t see the field this year, Braylon Edwards is on the trade block and talks with the Giants are probably back on since Burress got released. Crabtree isn’t only the better player of the two, but probably also fills a need for the Browns, even though they have a lot of holes on defense. Furthermore, I think Everette Brown is the better 3-4 OLB, and even if the Browns went defense they may take Brown over Orakpo.

If Orakpo falls instead of Crabtree, I agree that it would be Orakpo and either Robiskie or Barden.

Most Likely Draft: Brian Orakpo, Ramses Barden, Chip Vaughn, etc.

by LiveAdam on Apr 4, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

love your signature

but I also love how my fellow bloggers are spreading the message of Cleveland taking Crabtree. I’m now about 90% positive they’ll draft him and Orakpo will be our pick.

Revised Mock:

1st. Orkapo
2nd. Barden
3rd. Vaughn
4th. Jason Phillips =D
7th. Cox

DT may be in the fourth, hard to tell and I still believe Oakland will trade for another pick. Either 4th. or 5th.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Apr 5, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

yet Denver with now two picks in the first round becomes a dark horse for trades… They may want to move up a bit to secure Safford or Sanchez with their first pick

looking forward to the next 30 years of this team

by 30yearR8RFan on Apr 5, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why does everyone think they'll drfat a QB?

Orton is a good QB. He almost got Chicago to the playoffs with the second worst receiving corps in the league (us of course being first). Now he has an elite receiving corps and more solidified O-Line.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Apr 5, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

because the proof

is always in the stats. no matter how you like the player. Denver would be foolish to put its playoff hopes on Orton with no long term QB in mind… He is the back up to Grossman and did have some success on occasion (same could be said of Walter-yet the Raiders don’t have the D that Chicago does now do they?) I am not trying to dis Kyle Orton, yet the QB position in Denver is such… They want Elway… not Griese, if Orton is on the fence, which side to you see him leaning to? Its a move to say they are back on the same track.
This is the only reason I think they would bite trading up in the draft to get either Safford or Sanchez (latter being the probable candidate. In a trade they could look at getting the QB of the future and still have a second first round pick to look at another woeful position that hasn’t had anything since Portis (running back). Denver always likes its offense first.

looking forward to the next 30 years of this team

by 30yearR8RFan on Apr 11, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think DT will be the pick in the 4th, only because it’s likely a bigger need than LB at this point. As you said though, the Raiders are famous for trading back up into the middle rounds (especially 3rd and 4th) to get the guys they want, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see them do the same. GO BRINKLEY!

Most Likely Draft: Brian Orakpo, Ramses Barden, Chip Vaughn, etc.

by LiveAdam on Apr 5, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

I know a trade is coming. I can just feel it. Probably be like Huff, Sands, and our seventh for a fourth. i don’t know. i just know there will be a trade.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Apr 5, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew Walter

They’ll definitely trade Walter for like a late round pick. Either that or they’ll just give up draft picks for next year. Not sure they trade away players from positions where we’re thin like DT and S.

Most Likely Draft: Brian Orakpo, Ramses Barden, Chip Vaughn, etc.

by LiveAdam on Apr 5, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got love for Orapko

Orapko is my main target with the pick
I am really not buying the hype on Ramses Barden in round 2 but lets grab him in the 3rd
Round 2 give me the The Duke Robinson
the 4 I will take Mr Kevin Ellison

by Bud Light on Apr 4, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All of this draft talk is finally starting to make my head spin. I can’t wait for it to finally be here.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 4, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mine is spinning too:

If you couldn’t tell by my rambling post!!!

by saintoakland on Apr 4, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as is mine

then again I am part-owl. lol. Wow that was lame…………….

I shall now sink into the back alley and wait for draft day where all shall forget my lame-ass joke.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Apr 5, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saying...

Orakpo because he can play many positions and we can get Robiskie who is a great reciever with a lot of potential in the 2nd round and if not him then maybe Mike Thomas in the 3rd round.

by L.A. Raiders on Apr 4, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raji/Barden

"We want to Win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it,even my organization deserves it. You have to Win and Win with a vision of the Super Bowl. That's our passion here"- Mr. Davis

by nishal26 on Apr 4, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

B.J. Raji and Jarron Gilbert.

Police Fucking Hate Me, Trying To Relocate Me To LA, But Like The Raiders, I' ma Bring It Back To The Bay! - Nump

by Rayder K on Apr 4, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Crabtree has to be the play if he is there. With Walker’s injury history and uncertainty about his commitment you have to give Russell a #1 WR if we want our offense to take the next step. We could then go OL, DL, or best player available with the 2 round. Some players who could be there are Duke Robinson, Michael Johnson, Herman Johnson, Phil Loadholt, Clint Stintim, Ron Brace, Louis Delmas, or Conner Barwin. Raji has some character issues that I’m concerned with and I think that is too high of a pick to make a mistake on. If Orakpo is there it would make it a tough decision. I think that with more depth and an aggresive scheme the DL will improve. The WR position is just the thinnest position on the team right now and must be improved.

by STX on Apr 5, 2009 5:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

trade back with denver

The Jaguars are said to really like sanchez and I think denver would want him so maybe denver would trade us their first two picks to jump ahead of jacksonville. Then we could get R.Mauluaga at #12 and R.Ayers at #18 then the second rd either Barden or Robiskie

by foot_ballplaya2001 on Apr 5, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I Want To Change My Vote

I had voted for Crabtree/Barwin, but that was before Orakpo/Robiskie was available.

Most Likely Draft: Brian Orakpo, Ramses Barden, Chip Vaughn, etc.

by LiveAdam on Apr 5, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo and Robiskie would be SICK!!!

Orakpo – Robiskie – Vaughn/Urbick

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Apr 6, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd Be Happy Either Way

Crabtree and whomever (haven’t decided yet) or Orakpo and either Robiskie or Barden.

Chip Vaughn in the 3rd is a given ( please be there).

4th round could be a lot of things, but I’m hoping a DT like Sammie Lee Hill might be there.

Most Likely Draft: Brian Orakpo, Ramses Barden, Chip Vaughn, etc.

by LiveAdam on Apr 6, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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