Oakland Raiders News: Should Jeff Garcia Start in 2009?
I know that most of you are saying to yourselves, "Has Saint Lost His Freaking Mind?!?"
Well, maybe I have, BUT, my mind got to wandering tonight when I had two thoughts that added together and the end result was that Jeff Garcia may be the perfect choice to show JaMarcus the way by starting and winning.
Thought number one is that J-Russ is still the youngest starting QB in the NFL and has never really had a chance to learn and offense by watching a successful veteran day in and day out..
Thought number two is that we are a run based offense with backs and a tight end that lend themselves well to a Jeff Garcia type, dink and dump timing offense.
The thought of a timing offense with quick hits to players like Johnnie Lee Higgins, Darren McFadden, Michael Bush and Michael Crabtree mixed in with a running offense that carries has the ability to control the clock and limit turnovers is pretty intriguing.
Alright, I snapped out of it, JaMarcus has the ability to run an efficient offense while taking his shots downfield as was evidenced by his performance over the last three weeks of 2008 and Garcia is here to show him how to be a professional quarterback while providing us with a quality back-up that can win football games with the pieces that are already assembled.
Phew...I nearly lost my mind there...The good news is that Garcia is good enough to have that effect every once in a while.
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JaMarcus Russell is the future and this team isn’t built to go deep in 2009, so we shouldn’t mortgage the future and damage Russell’s process in becoming the quarterback into the future. I don’t have any doubts: Russell should be the starting quarterback in the 2009 season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 9, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Garcia
Is a very talented QB and we are very lucky to have a QB such as him with his experience and consistent performances which Russell needs to learn. There is no way anyone here is shying away from the inevitable that Jamarcus Russell is our Quarterback for the Future. I won’t be surprised if Jeff starts a few games and Russell comes in the Third Quarter and try to mimic what Jeff did that is how he will learn the responsibility and the right way to lead a team. I am looking forward to how this will unfold.
"We want to Win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it,even my organization deserves it. You have to Win and Win with a vision of the Super Bowl. That's our passion here"- Mr. Davis
by nishal26 on Apr 9, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
umm..Saint..
Brother, I’m glad we signed Garcia, but he’s gotta play his role. Veteran back-up to the anointed starter, and only through injury should he see significant reps. Anything extra for him is a step backwards with JaMarcus, and we don’t need that. Don’t put our future on hold because we have a guy who thinks he can start.
"..what you mean? I'm a legend like Kareem!"
by CommittedToExcellence on Apr 10, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think my sentiment
echoes the others here, and I surely don’t think that Coach Cable wants a QB controversy. To me this season is about taking that next step; if that next step means more learning for the kid (under the wing of an established vet) and a 6-to-8 win season, so be it. The fact that this is a winnable division should not keep the Raiders from sticking with the plan.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 10, 2009 6:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
Garcia probably gives us a little better chance to win a few more games this year. But this year’s team isnt ready to achieve our goal of winning a superbowl in 2009. Right now we think Russell is our best chance to get to a superbowl shot. but he has to develop and that means he takes his lumps and must get his reps in. We are developing and bringing in talent in the meantime to help with russells progress.
by gl12ox05 on Apr 10, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saint
I was about to slap some sense into you, but luckily you found your way towards the end. Jeff, like CommittedToExcellence said, has a role on the team, the back-up vet QB. J-Mac is our QB and is this decades QB for the Raiders.
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by Rayder K on Apr 10, 2009 8:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And No
We will not trade him for Cassel.
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by Rayder K on Apr 10, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!! HAHAHAH!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Apr 10, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JR
My biggest concern about JR is his work ethic; it’s something you have, not something you learn. I don’t think JR has ever had to work for anything in football before cause his natural talent is so great; unfortunately it’s not enough to make you successful in the NFL. I say this because of Cable’s insistence that JR needs to take on the responsibility of an NFL QB and to start working harder.
Hopefully, because JR is still so young, Garcia will be able to teach proper work ethic. But like I said, work ethic isn’t something you really ever learn.
Just HIT somebody.
by SBcitizen on Apr 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tom Cable
Said that Jamarcus Russell is coming in early and leaving late he also mentioned that he is improving work ethic and watching game film but, to me this is good and bad. The good thing is he is realizing what it takes to be a good QB and how not to make mistakes and lead a team. The bad thing is that he should have been doing this way before now he should have started when he was signed. Our Future lies in Russell’s Arms in my own opinion.
"We want to Win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it,even my organization deserves it. You have to Win and Win with a vision of the Super Bowl. That's our passion here"- Mr. Davis
by nishal26 on Apr 10, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Regardless of when he should have started, the fact is that he started. I didn’t know that he started putting in the work yet. All I’ve been hearing is Cable talking about how he’s going to get him to do that. Hopefully JR will sustain this work cause it will pay off for all of us.
This work, his arm, Hackett (spelling?), Cable still coach, Garcia, and improving WR’s and OL all point to a great QB. Assuming JR continues to work and gets pushed (in a good way) this could be a very good season.
Just HIT somebody.
by SBcitizen on Apr 10, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with SBcitizen
All of the moves that we’ve made this offseason have pointed in a stability for the organization and for JR. He has greatness written all over him, but he just needs the right pieces around him. He is the franchise QB, no doubt in my mind, and I’m hoping by signing Garcia we add a little fire under his butt so that he get’s moving toward that potential!!
I like to believe my best HITS border on Felonious ASSAULT
-Jack Tatum
by DarksideJU08 on Apr 10, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Darkside....
you are 100% correct… If Jamarcus Russell cant see it… He has really blown his opportunity to not only join the elite in the NFL as far as quarterback, but surpass. He has the talent, we all know that, the team is putting together a line that will give him time, a stellar running game, bringing along the wide receivers that we have, looking at the draft for defense, more targets, and now has brought in Jeff Garcia to assist in mentoring his growth.
The Raiders have dumped a ton of money into this guy not only in a direct contract with lots of gimme money yet are surrounding him with players, coaching, etc. to make things happen. You got to feel that the team is doing everything they can to see him reach that potential.
In all I will be much more satisfied a year from now debating our draft picks and free agent signings if we see Russell return to the poker table…aunte up, and show what he really has, cause the Raiders really have dealt him the wining hand here and it is his to claim the pot… he may have to work for it, but it is his to take
looking forward to the next 30 years of this team
by 30yearR8RFan on Apr 10, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice points
The future Is bright for Mr. Russell. Now, I am a little worried about Mcfadden I don’t know what the deal was with him on those turf toe injuries last year I mean was I the shoes or something? I hope he is not injury prone It is a little too early to label him anything but For me to call him one of the elite players on our offense he has to show up every game like Zach Miller and JLH who are good examples. The development of Mcfadden is a crucial key on how Russell will be in the future.
"We want to Win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it,even my organization deserves it. You have to Win and Win with a vision of the Super Bowl. That's our passion here"- Mr. Davis
by nishal26 on Apr 10, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't worry
D-Mac can play, and we saw that when he was playing with the injuries. Turf toes can only heal with rest and time; which is what the off season was for. Plus, he’s been working with Nike to develop a shoe that should help with the problem. You also have to remember that we have the fortunate problem of having four good RBs.
Just HIT somebody.
by SBcitizen on Apr 11, 2009 1:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Russell
Bench JaMarcus Russell. He is another one of Al Davis’ rotten draft picks that were a bust. Start Garcia.
by benf802961 on Apr 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First of all
If it’s in the past tense the he ‘was’ a bust, but if you’re trying to say it in the present tense then he still ‘is’ a bust.
But other than your lack of knowledge in the English language, I would have to say that is idiodic of you just to write of JR. If anything- he is getting better! Last year was his first year actually starting, and I know he has all of the potential to be great. I was there for his first touchdown pass- against the Chargers in Dec. 2007. The fact that your not giving him any chance shows how ignorant you are.
What are you? A Chiefs fan??
I like to believe my best HITS border on Felonious ASSAULT
-Jack Tatum
by DarksideJU08 on Apr 12, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Media Seeing Smoke Where There Isn't Anything
I don’t see what’s so wrong about bringing in a guy who has proven he can win games wherever he’s gone to be a backup QB once he’s realized that the NFL market won’t provide him with a starting job. The media all of a sudden thinks that there’s some kind of QB controversy or a “Bench Clock” on JaMarcus Russell. I wil admit that the QB depth chart is somewhat akin to Leinart and Warner or Young and Collins, but I guess I just don’t see Garcia outplaying Russell in the preseason, and we all know Garcia will be pushing Russell.
The fallacy the media talks about the most is “quarterback symmetry” between the starting and backup QB’s – believing that the backup QB should have the same skill set as the starting QB in order to be able to run the same offense. My response to that would be – if the backup QB could run the same offense, why is he a backup QB?
Garcia is a perfect backup to Russell; if for some reason Russell is out of the game the Raiders will rely even more heavily on the run, and Ted Tollner and Tom Cable will pull out some of the West Coast Offense Greatest Hits route trees for Garcia and the WR’s to dink and dunk in a game management way. At the same time, Garcia is still skilled enough to take his shots when he needs to, and the game wouldn’t be an automatic “L” if for whatever reason Russell isn’t in there.
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by LiveAdam on Apr 12, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
A Back up QB is a valuable player. Not because he’s a threat to the starter, but because he keeps the starter motivated. If it’s a younger guy backing up, the older guy realizes he’s got to be on his A-game, and if it’s reveresed, the older guy (if he’s properly doing his job, and the starter is intelligent) will show the young guy the ropes and will be a valuable tool for building him up. Garcia understands his role, and will thrive, becuase he’s a class act, unlike Jay Cutler.
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by killerking on Apr 14, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to win now baby!
Hell yeah Jeff Garcia should start! you would be seriously stupid to do otherwise! I mean Jamarcus needs to sit his huge tail on the sidelines and learn from an experienced pro, maybe he will become more of a diligent worker when he realizes it is the N.F.L. and aint nothing guaranteed! I am not blaming Jamarcus for the raiders woes but he is the quarterback and with that comes a lot of responsibility, this is not college or high school, it is PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL and it is a multi billion dollar business which means you have to GET SERIOUS, GET DOWN, or GET PUT OUT. later Jamarcus!
by dbldee on Apr 14, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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