you go with garcia but i voted russel cause i would hate to see him be like vince young

Given the current situation, it has to be JaMarcus Russell. We must develop the future now because otherwise we’ll be facing a tougher climb to try to get back to the top. Having Jeff Garcia start won’t solve anything. We probably won’t make the playoffs either way from where I stand and even if Garcia can take us there, which isn’t likely at all, we’ll be bounced in the first round.

starting Garcia is an interesting idea, but long-term, it only pushes the Raiders back a year. If Russell gets hurt in the middle of the season (like he did last year), Garcia would still be a strong option to come into the game while he’s injured. It would be much better than sending Walter and Tui out there!!

would be a shot to his confidence, which can be deadly to a quarterback. I’m really starting to be sorry that they ever brought in Garcia at this point. The Raiders are getting better, but they are not ready for the playoffs yet. Most of the offense in particular is very young players, and they do need the time to develop, not just Russell. The receivers, the running backs, Miller, etc. The Raiders must not get impatient. Bush and McFadden need to be the backbone of the offense this year. And we sure as hell don’t need a quarterback controversy like they have across the Bay.

Maybe it’s because people are used to the Raiders building with free agents instead of through the draft that some people are getting so impatient.

In my opinion, if they were thinking “long term” they would of drafted a QB that could
a.) Tie his own shoes
b.) Read and understand a playbook
c.) Have the GIVE-A-SHIT to want to better himself and his team

Russell has a huge arm and can throw the ball a mile but if he is just guessing that there is going to be someone close to catch it, he might as well spike the ball 3 times and go back to the sideline and put his fur coat on.

he must realize that when someone is better than u they’re gonna start and when ur better through hard work and fim study and so on then u win the starting job . NOthing is supposed to be given to anyone in the NFL u earn it then u know u deserve it. Thats my pint he is gonna be 25 when next year comes does anyone think thats too old to get the starting job back if Garcia win s the job for the 2009 season?

do u realize that garcia has a better than 90 QB rating the last three years one in philly and the last two in tampa he could very well be what kerry collins was to tennesee last year. why is the super bowl out of the question did anyone see arizona in the super bowl last year

“Russell, Quinn or Kolb?”

The Raiders needed a long term QB, they had the first pick in the draft, and those were the top three choices. Would they have done better with Quinn or Kolb? I don’t think so.

A couple years ago the Bengals had an experienced journeyman quarterback who was obviously better at that time than the high draft pick they had on the team. I am of course talking about Jon Kitna and Carson Palmer. The Bengals had a choice…

Choice 1-Play the more solid quarterback and maybe fight for a wild card spot, but eventually lose because of the physical limitations the veteran has.

or…

Choice 2-Play the franchise and develop him more, maybe not being a playoff contender immediately, but having the team better off in the long run because of the experience the top draft pick would attain.

The Bengals chose option 2, and although they have not been consistently in the playoffs, they have a franchise quarterback who will be there for 10 more years, and the experience he gained in playing over a quarterback who at the time was more solid than he was has given the Bengals a solid face of their franchise.

Anyone out there who wants Jeff Garcia to start ALSO wants this franchise to bet setback again for another couple of years. Dont lie. The maximum this team could do with jeff garcia is 500. And dont even think about the raiders getting a wildcard with garcia because the AFC South and AFC North are too loaded. Jamarcus was just starting to get it down the stretch. The absolutely worst thing for his development is take him out of the game and put in a journeyman qb who will be gone in 1 or 2 years.

All you unintelligent raider fans out their crying for Jeff Garcia are thinking with your egos and not your brains. You all say “The raiders have been losing long enough we have to win now!!!” But developing your star QB now and being a consistent playoff team later is alot better than going 9 and 7 or 8 and 8 with a journeyman QB in his first year and further setting back our 70 million dollar investment.

Jamarcus Russell-Starter(also franchise)

Jeff Garcia-Back Up(Probably for only 1 year because he will retire most likely)

Based on what? Seriously, I want to know. I want to know what your criteria for a bust is. And I want to know what exactly you expected out of Russell last season, taking into full account the lack of support he had from the offense. Because if you’re perception of his work ethic is all that you’re going on, I’d like to know that too.

Here is a link I found posted on the fanshots page.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/sports/ci_12615729?source=rss&nclick_check=1

I’m all for being proven wrong so hopefully this is the first step in Russell doing that.

a step back unless it was excused which hasnt come out

I think we have a team that can win now, IF we play Garcia. The new WR will learn from him, JaMarcus can learn from him on the bench, and he will become the ‘LEADER’ on an offense in sore need of leadership. I agree JaMarcus may be the future, but let him watch from the sideline this year to learn and think about working harder to become the player we drafted!

I cringe when I hear the label of bust placed on Jamarcus. Put any QB into the Raiders offense last year and they would struggle. That being said Russell’s complacency and sense of entitlement make me question his future much more than the shaking his seemingly endless reservoir of confidence. If it takes Jamarcus losing his job to an old white dude with a water pistol for an arm to light the fire inside him- then I am all for it.

I have seen the complaint that benching Russell would cost him valuable game time and set his development back, but if he is not truly striving to better himself then what is he gaining. Whatever makes him hungry to make this team, his team, is what is best for the Raiders.

The offensive skill position players are young and they need an on field leader that demands accountability. effort and attention to detail and I hope this is Russell. He has said the right things this off season and then missed the last day of ota’s so it is hard to tell where his head is.

Here’s to hoping he keeps his word and puts in the extra practice with the wr’s, if not give me Garcia while hoping it drives Jamarcus to pull his head out.

We seem to be going over the same arguments over and over again. We should approach this from a new angle. Those of you dissatisfied with Russell, maybe you could give us some concrete ideas of what you expected out of Russell last year, and I mean stats, not just gut feelings, ie “He’s stupid. He’s lazy. He’s all about the bling.” I mean, what kind of actual numbers did you expect?

See, if you can do that, then we look at the big picture. Because if we’re really going to debate this, we seriously do need to factor in all the different parts of the passing game. Otherwise there’s no point. I mentioned the lack of pass protection earlier, and nobody had any response to that, but you’d better if you expect him to play better.

And hey, for my own part, I will say he did have a lot of fumbles. True the o-line gave up a lot of sacks, but he does need to hang on to the football better or throw it away sooner.

ttp://www.hogshaven.com/2009/6/24/923852/am-i-the-only-skins-fan-that-wants

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O-Line is solid, D-Line is shaky, and Jamarcus is in between the two.