Saying hello from Bleeding Green Nation
Whats up Raider Nation im a member of the Eagles blog and just wanted to ask you guys a couple questions about your Linebackers.
The Eagles made a strong push defensively at the end of the regular season last year and finished 3rd in total defense, but there were still some things i would have liked to see from my team. The thing i wanted to see the most was more consistent play from our linebackers. We suffered a huge loss early in training camp when we lost Stewart Bradley for the year and i am pretty worried about how Joe Mays/Omar Gaither will fill in for him. As far as our outside linebackers go, akeem Jordan is our starting weak side linebacker and chris gocong is our starting strong side linebacker. Jordan started the last 6 games for us last year and played really well recording 44 tackles in the 6 starts and Gocong had a solid year but everytime i saw him play he was always getting beat in pass coverage.
The few times i have seen Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard play, they have looked great. They post great numbers year in and year out, Morrison has started 63 consecutive games and Howard has started 47 out of 48 games he has played in. Both Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard are in the last year of their contracts and was wondering if you guys think both of them will be re-signed, one of them, or neither, and who do you guys think is more important to keep.
Also i wanted to know how both of them play against the run and pass.
One more question, how have DHB and Michael Mitchell looked in training camp and preseason so far.
thanks
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Consensus View (I Think)
The general consensus of Raider fans is that Morrison and Howard are superior in pass coverage and struggle at times against the run. The Raiders problems on run defense are a domino effect: the defensive line gets overmatched at the line of scrimmage, forcing the linebackers to take on offensive lineman and fullbacks, rather than being able to make a tackle, thus, linebackers struggle as well. The entire defense also struggles with over-pursuit (we get killed on cutback runs), gap assignments, and missed tackles. Yes, Morrison and Howard collect a lot of tackles, but many of them are too far from the line of scrimmage, and too many are Morrison and Howard catching a running back from behind rather than hitting them straight on.
With the current collective bargaining agreement set to expire after this season, both Morrison and Howard will be restricted free agents, giving the Raiders the opportunity to match any offers or applying tender-offers on them to force other teams to give up draft picks for signing them. The Raiders are likely to keep both of them long term, but right now I would say Howard’s future with the Raiders is more secure than Morrison’s. So basically, no, the Eagles aren’t getting either of them, sorry.
DHB improves with every practice. He is dropping significantly fewer passes, seems to be running good routes, and has been drawing consistent double-coverage in preseason games. The Raiders are still working on maximizing his potential in the offense though, he was only targeted twice last weekend, while rookie Louis Murphy saw many more passes thrown to him.
Mitchell was doing fine in training camp before re-injuring his hamstring, so he hasn’t been able to play in any preseason games yet. The Raiders will bring him along slowly, because this hamstring has caused him problems all preseason.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
thanks a lot
do you think they would be making more tackles straight on and along the line of scrimmage if the D-line wasn’t getting overmatched?
Yes
Yes, but neither of them is exactly Ray Lewis. They miss some tackles, take bad angles at times, and sometimes just fail to put their head into the hole to make the stop. Look for both to have roughly the same numbers they did the last few years, but hopefully with a few more sacks to add to the list.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
I agree with LiveAdam
and I would just like to add that after this season I think we are all hoping one of the primary goals will be to bolster the run d and this may not include having Morrison at MLB. Which would mean either A) letting him go via free agency or B) moving him to the outside.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
I think it would be B.
If Brown continues to play well at MLB the rest of the preseaon, then he might be moved to OLB early in the season. It’s highly likely that the Raiders will re-sign both. Both are great young talents and Morrison was born and raised in Oakland so I think he’s probably a Raider for life. Hopefully Howard is a Raider for life to.
Expanding on what was said already
As usual, LiveAdam dominates the world, but I can’t help adding my own 2 cents.
I think the Raiders are gonna be really really really tough to pass on this year. With Morrison and Howard behind the line, combined with the best cornerback in the league and the rapidly emerging Chris Johnson, as well as Greg Ellis and Trevor Scott coming off the edges, opposing QBs are gonna face an uphill battle. Plus when you have safeties that hit as hard as Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell, receivers are gonna think twice about going over the middle.
But then again, why pass when you can run for 8 billion yards a game? In addition to our bi-annual destruction courtesy of LaDanian Tomlinson, we can also look forward to Steve Slaton, Brandon Jacobs, your Mr. Westbrook, Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Willie Parker, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee and Ray Rice. Ugh. Any one of those guys can rack up 100+ yards on 20-25 carries against our sieve of a run D. And they will unless things improve and soon.
In addition to Morrison and Howard’s pass-coverage skills, one of the things I love about them is that they are high motor players with a nose for the ball. All too often, as LiveAdam said, their pursuit skills are limited to stopping an 8 or 10 yard run from becoming a 60 yard gallop to the end zone. Their tackling skills are good and they could be effective (if not necessarily great) run containers if the D-Line was more dominant.
It’s a concern I have with Trevor Scott right now, who could develop into a truly awesome pass rusher, but currently has zero ability to stop the run. Witness how the 49ers victimized him in the last preseason game. I hope our defensive coaches come to their senses and put Jay Richardson in as starter since he has much better run stopping skills. With Ellis on the other end, you’ll always have a pass rusher in and Scott can come in as situational pass rusher for at least this year and try to round out his skill set next offseason. I don’t see it happening though: Scott is, by all accounts, a personal project of Davis and that pretty much settles the matter. But I digress.
A run defense ultimately lives or dies by the defensive tackles, though, and that’s the problem. Kelly and Warren are both well-rounded, but maddeningly, infuriatingly inconsisent. When they’re on, they are on and when they’re off, they might as well not be on the field. William Joseph is a guy who if he played up to his talent level—a former first round pick!—could be an effective weapon against the run, but as it is he’s only a decent backup. I’m really high on Desmond Bryant and I think his upside extends to the moon right now, but he’s raw. I’m not even gonna talk about Terdell Sands.
Let’s put it this way: the tackle position is so thin that last year we were trying to see if an ex-tight end could work at that spot.
Mike Mitchell: I think once he gets healthy and learns, by the end of next year he’ll have shut up a LOT of people who mocked his selection in the second round. Watching the clips of him I was impressed, as was everyone, with his ability to lay on a vicious hit, but something else made me even more excited. If you watch him on film, you’ll see he has an OUSTANDING ability to read a play and close on the ball-carrier in a hurry. His nose for the ball is already awesome and if he works hard—something his enthusiasm and positive attitude gives me high hopes for—he’ll be something special.
Finally, there’s Hey-Bey. Frankly, I would’ve drafted Maclin or Raji, but DHB is what we’ve got and as time goes by, I feel better about it. He’s a solid kid who wants to be with the Raiders and has been putting in extra time while everyone else is at dinner working on his catching and route-running. As for his in-game use, I think his speed makes it obvious. If he’s already drawing double coverage after two pre-season games, it shows his speed is making defensive co-ordinators nervous. If you single cover him, he can get 50 yards down the field in a flash and JaMarcus has the arm to get it to him. If DHB can perfect his route-running and Russell can work out his accuracy issues, they have the potential to be a lethal combination.
The best thing about having DHB though is the aforementioned double coverage he can draw because of his speed. That will open up the medium-range passes for guys like Chaz Schilens, Zach Miller and Louis Murphy (who I’m way impressed with) to absolutely gash defenses for gains in the 7-15 yard range. Not so incidentally, J-Russ has taken the biggest strides so far, I think, with his accuracy and decision making when making passes in that range. If DHB only catches 35 passes a year, but opens up space for crossing routes, slants and throws underneath, he’ll be worth every penny.
by Raybin on Aug 27, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Awesome Comments
First off, rec’d for sure. I agree about Scott at RDE – it was nice to see him put in the effort to try and be a starter, but he simply cannot hold the edge against the run. Richardson should take over as base RDE with Scott coming in as a pass-rusher where he can just pin his ears back and go. Shaughnessy can backup at both RDE and LDE.
I hope the Raiders utilize DHB’s speed for more than just the “go” routes to spread the field. I was surprised that Murphy got the touch on the reverse in the Niners game rather than DHB; I would have thought the Raiders would want to see how DHB’s speed would have translated on that type of play. As the regular season begins look for the Raiders to use DHB in different ways, whether it be bubble screens, reverses, or something else.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
I think as DHB's confidence grows...
…and he starts to get his legs under him, you’ll see his versatility grow too. I really like the thought of his use on bubble screens. If he can make the first tackler miss, he could be in the wind. This could be especially effective against a corner with good cover skills but bad open field tackling.
DHB catching a quick slant in stride will also be a sight to behold
by Raybin on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also...
…as I think I mentioned in my roster fanpost, part of me thinks that Shaughnessey would really be benefitted by a year on the practice squad with Gunheim as backup, or perhaps a decent DE who gets cut by another team. Though I certainly won’t be upset if Shaughnessey is the backup (as I rather suspect he will be); I think he’ll be perfectly servicable.
On a related note thanks for pointing out the absurdity of carrying 11 O-lineman. I don’t even know what I was thinking!
Risky to Hope Shaughnessy Makes Practice Squad
Putting Shaughnessy on the practice squad would require waiving him, having him clear waivers, then re-signing him to the practice squad. I don’t think many 3rd round draft selections would make it through waivers. I’d hate to lose another 3rd round DE pick. I think Shaughnessy makes the 53-man roster no problem.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
i like to point out the run defense
even if they give up a ridiculous amount of rushing yards, i’m more worried about their red zone defense. it wouldn’t matter if running backs are picking up 150-200 yards a game, if they can’t score 7 points while we are, then it’s a win. i don’t expect us scoring touchdowns on every drive, but i f the raiders have a great red zone defense, then i can expect to score touchdowns than our opposing team.
The Classic Bend but don't Break Denfense
It’s great in theory, however at some point they actually have to stop the run whether it be on the 50-yard-line or the 1.
I posted this somewhere else, but I would like to see our front four as Ellis, Kelly, Warren, and Bryant. I think Bryant could really anchor the right side and force the run to the middle. Hopefully Kelly will step up and stuff the run in the middle, and Warren makes a decent pass rusher.
Just HIT somebody.

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