Silver and Black Pride's Sunday Community Poll: The Blowout Aftermath
by TheRaiderWay on Aug 30, 2009 4:23 AM PDT
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PrintThe third worse exhibition loss in franchise history. Just an exhibition game? Maybe, probably not, this was the game where all the starters were to play a majority of the game to prepare for the regular season opener in just two weeks. Well, if that is how the Raiders will be getting ready for the Chargers come Monday Night, then we're in trouble.
Instead of analyzing this game that really doesn't need analysis, if you saw the game, listened to the game or read the box score, I will let the players team speak for themselves. Following are quotes to SFGate.com after yesterday's debacle:
"This is embarrassing to me," Raiders coach Tom Cable
"Not good," Cable said. "Very disappointing is the only way to put it."
"I've never felt so lousy after a game, period," tight end Zach Miller said.
"We just didn't put it together," defensive end Greg Ellis said.
"A lot of times, we were getting up to the ball, getting set, and they were still trying to get lined up," Brees said.
"We've got guys who can make plays that don't make them," Cable said. "We've got guys who can wrap up but don't. To put your finger on one thing in something like that would be pretty ludicrous after that."
If something bad happens, we can't let it snowball and keep turning into worse things," Miller said.
"We just have to make sure Week 1, Monday night, we're not going to have a show like this," running back Michael Bush said. "Bottom line."
The quote from Brees really says it all. The players, the coaches simply were not in any way prepared to play a football game yesterday and the "team is going to have to do a lot to, as Bush says not put a show on like that for week one against the Chargers.
Let's hope this game was at least a learning experience for the whole team and they will all take it upon themselves to do what they have to do in the next two weeks to be ready for week 1.
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Alright I will just say it, Kingofspades wrote in his post that
the Raiders lacked the attitude to win this year and with the schedule did not see the Raiders doing much better than last year. Well, winning is all based on execution and discipline both of which the Raiders lacked, we are approaching the season and they play like this!!! Look, I may have been overly optimistic about this team, this play doesn’t show any sign of heart. No sign of fight, just inconsistency, a lack of discipline, and a lack of heart. All that practice and you play like this!!! They should feel stupid, as a former player, you do have bad games, but when you play like this, it is embarassing. On that note, I will leave it, and Kingofspades right now I am in full compliance with your assessment. This team will have to prove otherwise on the field.
by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 30, 2009 5:40 AM PDT reply actions
I'm not yet ready to jump ship on the season
it doesn’t matter if this is the third preseason game, it’s still preseason. 06 Raiders went 4-0 in preseason. They won a third preseason game in which starters stayed in, it was game planned for, so on and so forth; yet they only won two such games in the regular season. And of course the 08 Lions were also 4-0 and we saw how that turned out.
Back to the game at hand. I’m obviously disappointed, but the Saints will probably field the best offense in the league this year. There’s really no defense in the league that can shut them down. I’m not so much concerned for our defense, as I am our offense. A measly 9 first downs? Unacceptable. Though I think that has more to do with how demoralized they would be after watching the D get shredded.
The Raiders were blown out about 4 or 5 times last year in the regular season, but we still improved from last year and beat 4 quality opponents. A preseason blowout and we’re all down in the dumps and getting ready to say any hope for the season is over? Even for a pessimist like me (just ask mikesd) that’s pretty unacceptable. If we don’t believe in the team, what chance will the players have to believe when their own fans can’t.
The Raiders record is still 0-0, and until the season actually starts, I find it hard to be this sad/upset about a game that DOESN’T EVEN COUNT TOWARDS OUR FINAL RECORD. I’m still standing by a 7-9 prediction and at the worst we’ll stay 5-11. If that happens, oh well. Think positive. At least we would be in position to get a player like Brandon Spikes or that Alabama NT.
I urge my fellow Raiders brethren to stay positive and see this game for what it is. An average team went up against an extraordinary offense in unusually sweltering heat, the likes of which will most likely never be felt this season, in a game that doesn’t mean anything towards the Raiders final record.
No use crying over spilled milk when the milk hasn’t even been poured yet.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
Absolutely!
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Aug 30, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Raiders are going to be in position to take one of the top three college players, except they're going
to blow the pick on the fastest player in the draft (whatever that position may be). Raiders are phuckin hilarious at this point!!! Long live Al!!! Comedy baby!!!
The Raiders
are one of the greatest franchises in NFL history. Show some respect dummy.
by DoomsdayD75 on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
adding more onto this
Kirk morrison wasn’t starting at MLB. If he had been, all those mid-range passes to the middle of the field would have never been completed. Kirk is a dominant pass-defending linebacker who’s very presence makes QB’s a little hesitant to throw to him (same case with Howard who played a great game today)
The Raiders also only ran I believe 7 or 8 times. Why? Because Cable knows his running game will be a top-10 unit, they don’t need as much practice with their craft as the passing game does. If this was regular-season, the Raiders would have tripled that carry count which would have sparked an even greater passing attack, which then would have sparked the D. I’ve said it probably 10 times in the last two weeks whether it was here or another site, this offseason has been completely about improving the passing game which is clearly paying huge dividends.
When next offseason rolls around, look for the linebackers to be overhauled with Howard the only sure-thing of the group and a new DT with actual promise.
Final thoughts, most of the passes were thrown against Brown, who would never be on the field in nickel packages and would not be guarding the middle. Alston was the other starting backer, a special teamer, nothing more. Scott is still starting which will be dealt with if this horrendous play continues into the regular season.
My 5 positives of the game?
1. The passing game looks like it could be really good, and this is without a running game taking some pressure off and opening things up
2. DHB will be doubled all season long. Look for Mcfadden, Miller, Murphy, and Schilens to light it up.
3. The left side of the OL is 100% secure.
4. Howard is going to be a great linebacker in this league whenever it is the D-Line becomes relevant. He simply flies on the field.
5. Ellis and Kelly are still okay in the run game.
If anyone says that there’s nothing positive to take from this game, I can lay out more of these for you.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
Other positives
-Nnamdi’s injury is not serious
-Russell is making steady improvement and is throwing with confidence
-Gary Russell can flat out fly as a ST gunner and will be a valuable overall player to the team
-Zach Miller
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I think ZMiller and Nnamdi are positives for just being on the field period
They could stand still till the ball is thrown and Miller could still get a nice catch and run and Nnamdi could get a pick or pop the ball out.
Gary Russell is a guy who in my opinion needs to be on this roster as a FB. He is such a weapon running or receiving and could do so very well from that spot. He’s as good a playmaker at FB as Greg Jones in Jacksonville, or Griffith in his Atlanta days.
For those thinking DHB’s 3 catches in three preseason starts means he’s a bust, think about this. He’s been doubled non-stop, he’s a rookie, it’s still preseason. The simple fact that he brings a double-coverage drawing presence is what everyone wanted when they said, “trade for Boldin” or “trade for Edwards” and so on and so forth. Wait to Schilens gets back. This passing game will be something special.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
exactly!!! He only has hands of stone because it's preseason!! Once the season starts,
those hands are going to turn into Jerry Rice mitts!!! man, this is some damn good kool-aid!!!
Commitment to What?
After an emotionally disgusting day, I feel a little better about the season. I am positive we didn’t run the ball because we didn’t want to. We are obviously hiding our game plan from the Chargers. What I cannot accept is the lack of effort on defense. It shows up at HOME all of the time. Tom Cable needs to light up the entire defense and chew them out! Let me chew them out! A banged up Nnamdi showed more heart than the rest of the defense combined! Wake up you bums, hit somebody in the mouth, and play Raider football!
You better be concerned for the "D"
we can’t stop the run, put next to no pressure on the quarterback and we are easily blocked and most times out of position. The truth is the interior D line is a joke ie. Tommy Kelly and Terdel Sandsand our linebackers are undersized. The Raiders simply do not have the talent to run the defense that Al wants and Al cares about is adding speed. At the rate their going the Raiders will have the pick of next years draft litter(the number one pick) I wonder who’ll run a 4.2 next combine, I sure hope its a DT
I'm not worried about the offense
The only part of the offense that I was worried about was the passing game, and they actually seem to be doing ok with that. Murphy and Dmac just need to hold on to the ball. And there was one holding penalty that really hurt. I still feel like those are some things that can be cleaned up before the beginning of the season. Whe the season starts, they will make a commitment to the run and that will take care of itself.
On the otherhand, the defense seems like it lacks the talent and the desire to win. No one, not even Nnamdi, won their matchups yesterday.
After watching that game yesterday
it is very difficult to be positive about anything. But I try to remind myself that it is only an exhibition game, they just broke camp in Napa, and for the most part no real game plan was set up. Unfortunately it looked a lot like what I have been watching the past few years, every good play called back because of a penalty or worse yet a fumble. No real effort to run the ball, no innovation at all. Part of that can be explained because it was indeed just an exhibition, but anyone watching that catastrophe yesterday has to wonder and search for any positive signs, simply there were none.
read my post above for positives
and in regards to the run game, there was not planned to be much of one. Cable is still testing his passing attack out and it is looking pretty good. 0 interceptions against a secondary which will bite down on every single bad pass for a pick. Simply means, there were no bad throws. Regular season rolls around, the run game will be seeing 3 times as many carries. Until then, the passing game still needs as many chances to see what it’s capable of. The receivers need as much passing game action as possible to improve their catching ability, and Russell needs as much time as possible to build rapports with his receivers.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
D-what?
Defense? D-fense? What defense!? As it stands now, we are headed to a calamity! Still there is no consistent pressure on the quarterback, especially in the red-zone and during third and long! Tackeling is atrocious, everyone seems to be waiting on someone else to initiate a frkin ‘hit!’ Kelly’s crew seem like they are auditioning for ‘Dancing with the Stars/Boys!’
We can not overlook what Brees’ candid remarks exposed. This is supposed to be professional football in Oakland, dmmit!!! Rob Ryan is supposed to be no longer on the side-line. ( What we are experiencing is more like a suppository). Al, if you are holding the coaches back and referring to 70’s play-calling on defense, it is imperative to "LET GO!’ and allow for stepped-up adjustments. I love the Okaland Raiders, but I TOTALLY hate to be embarassed by looking and playing like little league! (to put it mildly!)
As of right now, 49 percent of voters feel as if the Monday night game against the Chargers will be just like the 45-7 blowout loss yesterday afternoon.
Looking at the July 19 poll, 48 percent of voters felt as if we had enough to win the division.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 30, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
All I got out of yesterdays game was a sunburn..damn it was hot!! Just Kidding..
The Raiders opening drive was actually looking good until JR fumbled the ball. My concern with that was that he looked a little bit like last year, where he was just standing looking at a specific target and had no clue that there was pressure or defenders upon him. I do think that he has looked much better so far in the preseason so I am not that worried about it, I just wish he a little better instincts when it comes to pressure from the defense. If the Raider’s had marched down and scored a TD insread of a fumble, it may have been a different game, you never know.
The run defense has looked so bad this preseason, which is why I am very concerned about the Monday night game. If they don’t get it shored up i am afraid for what Tomlinson will do against us.
It might have actually been a positive thing for the regular season having this terrible preseason game, just to keep them from taking anything for granted and making them realize that they still have a lot of work to do. Hopefully this will stick and they will fight and have passion during the regular season to make sure that they are not embarrassed like this again.
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
"A lot of times, we were getting up to the ball, getting set, and they were still trying to get lined up," Brees said.
Nothing bothered me as much as this. Cable has preached education and preparation. Well where the fuck was it. The fact that the defense was fucking clueless is completely disheartening.
At this point the D should have had a much better idea of what they wanted to do and with game planning this week they should have had an idea of what the other team wanted to do.
The fact that there was no coherent game plan on D this week and the players were running around like they just showed up to camp that day fills me with little hope that they will be able to make adjustments during the course of the season that successful teams make.
I think there are some positive things to be taken out of this game, but they are overshadowed by signs non-progress.
Another thing that scares me is the the run game. I realize there were only 8 or 9 runs and Cable wants to take this time to improve the passing game, but those 8 or 9 runs were not successful.
I hope when they get in a rhythm the run game will look as strong if not stronger than it did last year, but right now I would say I am cautiously optimistic about that.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
Lack of talent
Hustle and execution are important for a team to win in the NFL but talent is the key and on defense the Raiders don’t have much of it.
The defensive line is one of the five worst lines in the league and while the linebackers are solid only Howard seems above average.
The Raiders have the best cornerback in football but the other corners are journeymen or guys who have yet to succeed. The Raiders keep spending high draft picks at safety but so far Huff hasn’t done much and Mitchell isn’t healthy much.
I think the offense can be league average but the defense might be one of the worst in all of football and that means the Raiders are going to struggle to win games this year.
Our Multi-Million Dollar Quarterback
Even the NFL Channel could stand it – they stopped broadcasting the Raiders-Saints and switched to a replay of the Rams game early in the third quarter… ever seen that before? not me… Every time our quarterback took his hat off, and showed off his mohawk (what an ass), I was reminded that this is the multi-million dollar first round pick that held out and sat out demanding more money… 49ers please note, just ‘cause they think they are good, doesn’t mean they are… I wish that these millionaires would start acting like professionals instead of idiots…
What the hell does a mohawk have to do with anything.
Do you take this as a sign of disrespect to the league, position, or his ability? Russell has not fulfilled all of his promise yet, but he certainly is not a bust yet either. After Saturday he is towards the bottom of the list of players to be called out! I also admired his comments after the game. I thought his comments demonstrated solid leadership.
The fact that you would pick now to call out Jamarcus and site his sporting a mohawk as your impetus is a fucking joke.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Aug 30, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OUR Multimillion Dollar QB
… looks like an idiot. Jason Campbell looks like a professional.
noontide, I guess you missed this:
The NFL Channel stopped broadcasting our game!! And switched to a replay of the Rams game!!
I don’t care who accepted responsibilty for this game afterword… and to say it was just an exhibition game is a cop out. Every game is supposed to be an exhibition of the game of football.
The fans that attended paid good hard earned money to see a football game… not a scrimmage.
Every Saints drive in the first half was methodical, incisive, intelligent… they went right through
us like a hot knife through butter… I had to read about the second half later, but apparently Garcia had some success… I didn’t get to see it though, because the NFL Channel stopped broadcasting our game!!
Again what does a mohawk have to do with this?
Is that why the NFL net stopped showing the game? I don’t think so Mr. Bean. I am pretty sure why the NFL channel stopped showing the game was because the Raiders were amazingly uncompetitive.
They sucked for a variety of reasons and Russell, was one of the few, who was not one of them. Your concern over his mohawk after the travesty that was the Raiders performance is astounding and leads me to question your football assessing skills and football fan priorities.
Jamarcus had a solid outing and has a solid preseason and he is doing it with a less than stellar offensive line and very young skill position players.
I fail to see why anyone would judge a QB by his haircut and I think it is hilarious you pointed out Cambell. He may look like a pro to you, but did he sound like one while he was pouting and demanding a trade while the ’skins were talking of drafting Sanchez or while he has struggled to a 17 for 35 257 yards 0 TD performance this preseason, while doing this behind an offensive line that has not allowed a sack.
I’ll take Russell’s stats so far this preseason 25 for 38 279 1 TD. Russell has said all the right things and by all accounts he has been working hard this preseason. I’ll judge the professionalism of a QB on those things as opposed to a haircut, but hey to each their own.
Apparently your own includes judging QB’s more by haircuts than words since you “do not care who accepted responsibility for this game afterword.” Also I did not say it “was just an exhibition” it is nice to know, you know the meaning of the word exhibition though.
I will say it was a preseason game and I know that means it was a game that come before the regular season (I know definitions too). I will also say it was a preseason game that saw Jamarcus continue to progress. As for the rest of the team and the Raiders dismal performance… well, that point was not at issue either. Thank you for needlessly restating the obvious.
To say someone looks like an idiot because of their haircut makes you sound like a crotchety old man shaking his fist at “those crazy kids!”
I am excited for your next post which I suspect will be something like “The Beattles were a shitty band because of those crazy damn long mop haircuts!”
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Aug 31, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ur points are valid for the most part
but what does jamarcus (and his mohawk, lol!!) have to do with anything? you wanna bag someone in the passing game, why dont u try louis murphy, JLH or some of the other receivers, that just played horribly?
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Back in the day, they used to complain about too much hair
Remember when too much hair was complaint against the Raiders, now its not enough hair. What’s with the hair? And what the heck does it have to do with what the guy does on the field?
by Trendsearcher on Sep 1, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I Think This Was A Good Learn Experience
We now know we have a lot of work to do and we found out many places where we lack. Our rookies know their mistakes too now and they can learn from it. I feel this experience was neccessary and will help us now.
R.I.P - Michael Jackson
Losing ground
From the Dallas game to yesterday the Raiders have gone backwards. I hoped that with the decline of Denver and the problems of Kansas City and a possible slowing of San Diego, maybe, just maybe the Raiders could sneak a division title this year. Someone has to straighten out everything that is Raider.
KA1Z3R, The Raiders have been my team as long as I remember football
I never give up, however, it is a point of contention with me when I see a lack of heart, with that said, it has to be proven on the field. We have the roster to win point blank and win many games, however, none of that matters if guys cannot be where they are supposed to be. No it doesn’t count, however, mentally you had better believe it had an effect. The Raiders need a huge game to end the preseason, this is not a team like in the old days that cared less about the preseason because they knew when that whistle blew for real they were kickin As- and taking names and so did their opponents. This Raiders team does not have that luxury, they are the loseingest Raiders team of all time!!, these guys don’t know what winning is, and they will need to play with all they have to be good. So when I see a lack of heart, I have no sympathy, there is nothing positive to say. Sure you will see a spark here from one guy or two, but that doesn’t mean anything if your team gets its as- kicked with no fight back. I can really careless about losing in the preseason, but don’t lose without playing with any heart. I will tell you something, this team has to pull it together, I will always be a Raider, I was watching the Raiders when Daryl Lamonica was QB, and Clem Daniels, Hewitt Dixon were running backs, Warren Wells was the Star receiver. I go back and I know football and what I saw in that game straight up pis-ed me off. Lose but do so, hitting someone in the mouth.
by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 30, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What a "FU*K*NG" JOKE.....
I hope the Raiders get their ass’s in gear against Seattle & Wk1, because ..they
won’t…it will be “another f—king losing” season…..
by Raiderfanaddict on Aug 30, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
D-Line
It seems as thought we have lost that tough,nasty edge that was raider football. Not the dirty penalties, but being just plain mean with a I’m badder than you are attitude. I think that for anyone to make it to the big leagues they have the talent to play,the team has to develop an us against them mentality. With out it they can forget it. It’s also time for Russell to step up and earn his money. By that I mean make plays an will his team to excell. Coaches coach and players play. Let’s face it, they have all played football most of their lives how much is there to learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They just need to play and take pride in doing so.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing to worry about
ok to be honest the game on saturday was just horrible they was no effort shown by the defense to stop anything at all but i believe that once the season starts and the games start to count the energy and effort to stop a play will be there. it was only mental errors that occurred from what i saw on plays from the secondary like the uncontested pass in front of hiram eugene he completely just let him go by and those errors will be corrected in the film room and practice. The backers are doin well in my eyes but the line needs to tighten up itll let the howard and morrison come up big on run plays if the line wakes up.
Offensively they are getting better russell is hittin the recivers he just needs to learn wen to get rid of the ball wen nothin is there and the run game with the 3 headed monsters of mcfadden bush and fargas will be top ten again but for this season i predict a 7-9 record for the raiders which is a good improvement from previous seasons which will allow for another first round pick around the middle that we hopefully dont waste like the past draft but u never know with darth-al still around
hopefully we even get a playoff berth maybe go 8-8 haha like the chargers and maybe pull a super bowl upset haha jk only dreaming of the possibiltys
state of mind
again D is a state of mind where it’s just not one player at a time – it’s a swarm that gets to the ball, every play. We don’t have that edge, yet. I’m not sure if we’re going to get it. Must find ways to penetrate the line and get the qb out of rythm and clog the lanes of running backs, at all cost. we’re not paying the price. I’d like to see a proper effort for the last pre-season just to get some confidence back. There’s nothing like sacking QBs and pumping fumbles from RBs to get it going. We have a young QB who has significantly improved but I don’t see him being comfortable with the WRs. It takes time and repition, simply impossible to get it done with rookies off the gate. Hence, the game plan given a weak D and young receivers is you better be able to run the ball, eliminate turnovers and stupid penalties, and have solid field position. The WRs will improve over the course of the year but how will the defence get there?
Too early to call
What happened??? Young and inexperience played young and inexperienced against a highly experienced and talented veteran team. Oakland’s upside right now is their youth unfortunately it also their downfall. This game was just a matter of young team gave up a few big plays early got rattled and didn’t have the veteran leadership to recover. The best thing about this game is it happened in the preseason a few weeks before the season starts, so there is still time to learn and make adjustments.
This isn’t going to be last time this team gets blown out, and this isn’t going to be the last time this team gets called for an excessive number penalties. They’re going show flashes of brilliance with stints of embarasment until they get a little more experience. This is still the season where Oakland climbs out the cellar, it’s just going to be a process and not quick turn around. Expectation is still 8-8.
Al hired the right players but the wrong positions.
Should have hired for the D line not for flash and speed.
Remember...
This is preseason, and we were the last team out of camp. I highly doubt there was a game plan, aside from evaluating personnel for the roster. If any of you true fans read about the raiders, you would know that they were very upset about the blow-out, something that’s been missing in years. This could very well be a blessing happening this early. Keep your heads up nation, with a win on Mon. Night this division is possible.
by SbleedB on Sep 2, 2009 11:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Also
This pre-season has been focused on passing, and thank god. Those amount of carries would ne first quarter stats. So it didn’t clock right away. No need to worry. J-mac will do just fine this year, as long as he knows when to throw the ball away.
by SbleedB on Sep 3, 2009 12:02 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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