Working Toward The 53-Man Roster: The Defensive Line
With the first preseason game quickly approaching, the battle between 80 men vying for 53 spots on the Oakland Raiders final roster is intensifying. While many of the 53 spots are nearly guaranteed to our feature players, certain positions such as wide receiver, offensive line, defensive line, and secondary still have a few roster spots that are up for grabs with several players making their case for the spot on the roster during training camp and the preseason games. Over the next month leading up to the season opener we’ll discuss position groups and who we’d like to see make the 53-man roster in those position groups.
Last season the Raiders kept 8 defensive linemen on their 53 man roster, 4 defensive ends and 4 defensive tackles. I expect the same basic format for this year’s defensive line, and I have identified 1 open roster spot at defensive tackle.
DEFENSIVE ENDS
The defensive end position has gone through a good bit of turnover from last season. Both of the starters at DE in the second half of the season, Derrick Burgess and Kalimba Edwards, are no longer with the team.
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For those of you who may be unfamiliar with Greg Ellis, he was drafted 8th overall in the 1998 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys (much to the chagrin of Randy Moss). In 2006 Ellis suffered a season-ending torn Achilles tendon. Through vigorous rehabilitation Ellis came back in Week 4 of the 2007, and in 13 games racked up 12.5 sacks on his way to both the Comeback Player of the Year Award and his first Pro Bowl appearance. Ellis’ playing time decreased with the addition of DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer to the Cowboys, along with the transition from a base 4-3 to a base 3-4. While listed at 265 pounds, Ellis’ playing weight is probably closer to 280 pounds, and he was not able to make the transition to OLB. As a result, despite starting all 16 games and tallying 8 sacks in 2008, the Cowboys decided to release Ellis in favor of Ware and Spencer (Ellis’ request for a contract extension assisted in his departure as well).
Ellis has been penciled in to replace Burgess at left defensive end. Like Burgess, Ellis’ run stopping at the left end may be a bit of a question mark, but he’s a bit bigger than Burgess so it may be an improvement. Ellis should also be able to provide nearly the same pass rush as Burgess. So long as he can stay healthy, I think we will all be pleased with Greg Ellis at left defensive end.
By now we all know the story of Trevor Scott. The
In the offseason Scott worked diligently on his strength and conditioning as well as his technique in order to crack the starting lineup for the defensive line, and for now it appears that his efforts are being rewarded. Scott is penciled in as the starting right defensive end. This will be a position to take note of during preseason to determine whether Scott can wreak havoc on opposing QBs as well as be stout at the point of attack against the run. If he is unable to hold his own against the run, the Raiders will need to look to Richardson or Shaughnessy as a base end and continue to use Scott as a nickel pass-rushing specialist.
The Raiders drafted Jay Richardson in the 5th round of the 2007 NFL Draft. He proceeded to beat out 3rd round pick Quentin Moses for a spot on the 53 man roster, and played in rotation in 2007. In 2008
With Greg Ellis entrenched at left defensive end, Richardson and Scott are fighting for the starting role at right defensive end. Scott has the upper hand with his superior pass rush abilities. Furthermore,
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Much as the media labeled Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell as "reaches" in the draft, I actually labeled Shaughnessy as our biggest reach of our draft class. After reading some of the scouting reports on him I calmed down a little bit though. Every indication is that Shaughnessy is a high-motor guy who may not be the most talented but will work extremely hard to get the job done. Like
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Gunheim signed as an UDFA last preseason and showed enough promise to earn a spot on the Raiders practice squad before getting signed to the active roster in November. His claim to fame is the sack of Jeff Garcia that ended the 2008 season with a win against
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Like Gunheim, Gray signed as an UDFA in 2008 and spent the year on the Raiders practice squad. Again, he’s got a lot of people in front of him, and we haven’t heard enough about his play in training camp to think he’s going to make the 53 man squad.
DEFENSIVE TACKLES
The defensive tackles for the Raiders take a lot of grief from the Raider Nation, some of it deserved and some probably not. We all understand that they are a talented group, but inconsistency seems to follow them wherever they go. Unlike the defensive ends, the group at defensive tackle is fairly set, with likely only one roster change from last year.
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Kelly joined the Raiders as an undrafted free agent in 2004. By 2008, he was one of the highest paid defensive tackles in the game, despite inconsistent play. Kelly has Ed Jasper and Warren Sapp to thank for his enormous contract, as both had high praise for him as a 3-technique defensive tackle. We all understand that Kelly may not be the best UT in the game, but he was the best UT in the 2008 free agent class and we absolutely needed to keep him around, so Al Davis did what he had to. Kelly had a fair 2008, collecting 4.5 sacks and 55 tackles. His presence in games varied from average to unstoppable. Raider Nation hopes to see more of the latter in 2009. Kelly once again will be the starting under-tackle on the defensive line.
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The Raiders made a rare trade with the Denver Broncos for Gerard "Big Money"
Terdell Sands – you either love him or hate him. Most fans expect a man with such an impressive stature to simply man-handle his opponent and win all individual battles. Unfortunately, Sands’ inconsistent play displays that he gets just as good as he gives at times. Part of our displeasure with Sands is his hefty contract that he simply hasn’t lived up to yet. Many fans call for him to be cut from the team, especially after allegedly punching Pro Bowl punter Shane Lechler in the face. Still, Sands is the closest thing to a true nose tackle the Raiders have, and he does flash dominance at times (see last year’s game vs.
Reports indicate that Sands has reported to camp in significantly better shape than in previous years. Also, an interesting article including an interview with Sands surfaced earlier this offseason which indicated that Sands understood he needed to step his game up this year. Sands has a roster spot locked up, and we can only hope he can do more to stuff the line of scrimmage in the run game and demand double coverage in passing situations.
Desmond Bryant is my official dark horse candidate for the final roster spot designated for the defensive line. The Raiders love versatility from their backups, and at 6’5", 290 lbs with sub-5 second speed, Bryant has the size and speed to be useful both as a UT and as a DE. Many have questioned his meager numbers playing for Harvard in Ivy League football, but one article I read stated that Bryant was consistently double and even triple-teamed by opposing offensive lines. One training camp report I read stated that Bryant was man-handling Paul McQuistan in drills, and may be impressing coaches Marshall and Board. I’ll be very interested to see how much time Bryant gets during the preseason to prove he can play at the NFL level.
The Raiders do love to collect former first round draft picks. Joseph was drafted by the New York Giants in 2003 and spent 5 years with them before signing with the Raiders before the 2008 season. Joseph did not make the 53 man roster initially last season, but was finally added to the roster in early November once the Raiders finally realized that they could not go through games with only 3 defensive tackles on the active roster. All indications are that Joseph is a fine athlete but is a perennial underachiever. I would not be too surprised if Joseph ended up as the Raiders 4th defensive tackle, but I would prefer the more versatile Bryant to make the team over Joseph. The upcoming month will determine the winner of this roster battle.
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The Raiders signed Boschetti as a free agent this offseason. He had previously been on the Redskins’ practice squad, and Coach Cable touted Boschetti’s work ethic and high motor as a motivating force for the rest of the defensive line. Cable also stated that Boschetti was getting work at both DT and DE, showing the versatility required for a backup. Unfortunately, Boschetti’s only mention from training camp reports was when Darren McFadden knocked him on his ass during a pass protection drill. If the Raiders are looking for versatility they should look to Bryant rather than Boschetti. Don’t expect him to make the 53 man roster.
So Silver and Black Pride Nation, what are your thoughts on the Raiders’ 2009 defensive line lineup?
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If you take a guy in round number three, he better be on your team five months after you take him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 9, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
but we managed not to accomplish that just two years ago with Quentin Moses. At the same time, 3rd rounders Mario Henderson, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Paul McQuistan, Kirk Morrison, Sam Williams, and Justin Fargas are all on the team. We can only hope Shaughnessy fits into the latter category and can contribute this year.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Aug 9, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, that pretty much goes w/out saying
hope he steps up…
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by naq92 on Aug 9, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
by nishal26 on Aug 9, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing Post
I love the topic. I think and prefer our starting roster DE to be Matt “Swagger” Shaughnessy. He was the 3rd round pick and I don’t like high picks not making the team. I really liked Quentin Moses, but I think this kid will make the team. His motor is something I heard was special about him. I hope he becomes skillful. I am rooting for this kid.
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by Rayder K on Aug 9, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
D-Line is a concern-
I like the post, this is the position that most needs to be looked at by the raiders due to the unconsistent play by the D-Line the past couple of years, if these guys can gel together and we see them stop the run in the preseason games things will be looking up for this squad.
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by nationofblack on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also
voted for the big guy from Wisconsin. It would be nice to have a decent rotation of run stoppers in case our D spends too much time on the field again this year.
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by sunelf77 on Aug 10, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaughnessy
If only for the simple fact that he is our third-round pick and is one of two guys (the other being Richardson) who should be able to play decently in the running game while not losing much as a pass rusher. From what I’ve been reading of Matt, he’s doing a good job in camp and is really working hard to get on the team instead of Gunheim. I like to see a good run stopping defensive end, and think he has the work ethic and energy level to become a good run stopping end, if he isn’t one already.
As for Bryant, I can’t say that I’d want him on roster this year. I think Boschetti, being 310 or so pounds, is a much better rotational tackle. 290 to me is way to much of a Warren Sapp type weight. Boschetti is bigger and stronger, and when your facing guards an centers, you need to be big and strong.
Now when it comes to versatility, both can play tackle or end, but Bryant plays end much better with all that speed he’s got. Though he’s 290, a sub-5 speed would definitely make him a relevant option for defensive end. As for the D-Tackle spot, I just think that speed’s going to be outmatched since he’d be charging into most likely two offensive lineman that are significantly larger than him.
My plan, keep Boschetti so you have a bigger guy at DT who can play the run better, and keep Bryant on the practice squad. I think Bryant could become a great pass rushing DT, he just needs more bulk, much like Scott at end did a year ago. After Boschetti will most likely depart next year, bring in Bryant who will be looking to show he’s got what it take in the running game, as well as the speed to be a nightmare for guards and centers to try to contain.
Also, watch Warren this year. I think that under Marshall’s new discipline and teaching, Warren will be much more consistent this year.
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by KA1Z3R on Aug 10, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking Of Scott
His interview was on Raiders.com. He really seems confident in his abilities and skill set. I think he will have a big year.
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by Rayder K on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as do I
it wouldn’t surprise me if he had 10+ sacks. You can’t double him or else Ellis, J-Rich, or even defensive tackles Kelly and Warren will get in there. As a strictly non-blitz team, the Raiders have a very good D-Line to create the pressure.
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by KA1Z3R on Aug 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
on Warren. He showed some good skills last year, but some games he left me scratching my head. I have a bald spot now. :(
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by sunelf77 on Aug 10, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic First Piece Live Adam:
Just fantastic!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by saint on Aug 10, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting and well written
This Thursday we will see a lot of these guys and have a better judgment as to where they fit in the pecking order. Only thing worth watching in pre- season.
by Laoren on Aug 10, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good read
went with Bryant . Basically because I see Shuaghnessy and Joseph making the team with ease.
Sands should have been in the poll he hasn’t done much as of yet (I think he is in his 9th or 10th year) Time to give a young guy with similar skills and more of an upside a chance. The only thing he’s done is punch a punter…his own!!!
I think Gray and Gunhiem’s days are numbered. Joseph will stay I believe our run D was better with him. Boschetti hasn’t impressed by what I’ve read.
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by S-n-B4life on Aug 10, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keeping 9 DL?
Keeping both Joseph and Bryant would require the Raiders to keep 9 DL on the 53 man roster. You’re not really suggesting the Raiders release their only true backup NT are you?
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Aug 10, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sands as done nothing
so yes drop Sands keep Joseph, Warren, Kelly and Bryant as DT’s that leaves Ellis, Scott ,Richardson and Shaughnessey.
So Sands is a true NT it doesn’t matter if you suck!
The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison
by S-n-B4life on Aug 11, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Could Understand Cutting Sands
if I thought it would improve the team, but it doesn’t. As inconsistent as Sands has been, cutting him only makes the team worse. I can’t support a move like that.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Aug 11, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we keep Shaughnessy
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by dubzero23 on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Third round draft picks
I think we need to just start trading our 3rd rounder on draft night two later picks because we get those right WAY more than we get the third rounders!
by jefe45th on Aug 11, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
umm...
are you sure? I get your frustration with Moses but….
JLH, Mario Henderson, Justin Fargas and Kirk Morrison have all come from the third round, and they all figure to be major contributors to the team this year. i think someone before me also posted a bigger list of 3rd round picks that have been successful on the team.
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by naq92 on Aug 11, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gunheim
Well I agree Matt should make the team, I was pissed went Quentin didnt make it. too high of a pick not to get a shot.. Why did Sulak get cut before Mini camp even really started … Grayson Gunheim is all motor. look what he did against T.B.. when given the chance to play. He personally took it apon himself to make Jeff Garcia look like a ragdoll.. Grayson, whether it be at the University Of Washington or with the Raiders when he gets his chance makes plays.. does Warren-hell no. does Kelly, Hell No.. I know you have to keep Kelly for the big money Al paid him he isnt worth.. I think bryant with 4.8 speed is a keep,I would hate for us to cut him and be a star in a few yrs with someone else..this happens way too often with us.. Matt is a keeper for noe but I have heard that he has a high motor but doesnt show up on most plays .. I don’t know If I like that? Gray is Gone.. trust me on this, too many at the position. Joseph, is fine but as the game goes on seems like I dont hear his name much? I would cut him… we need to get younger. I never have like Gerald Warren maybe because he is a former BroncHO!! .. I just think that for the 3 or 4 good plays he makes, he makes way too many bonehead mistakes for a vet of his tenure.. I would try to trade him but probably wouldnt get any takers for what we gave the donkeys for him. I like Ellis and think he will be the #1 DE.. SANDS IS A JOKE, his weight is as much as Sapp and very little production.Tommy why did I get paid that much Kelly? I still scatch my head at night and wonder what Al smoked when giving kelly #1 DE money. Scott is a beast as will be on the DL as well. in short in a perfect world .. I would keep Ellis, Richardson,Scott, Kelly even if I dont like him, and Gunheim.. I just have a feeling on him I have seen him for 5 yrs staright with college days and all he does is make plays.. If Bryant clears waivers I would IR him instantly. Warren and all the others non-player I would cut.. I would try to trade him but we wont get any takers..
by prideandpoise on Aug 11, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, cut Warren and Sands
then start who at DT? or are you only cutting one of those 2? either way i only see you making a thin position even thinner….
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Aug 11, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to Agree With Naq92
Your defensive line doesn’t have any nose tackles…and only 1 defensive tackles for that matter. The Raiders defense had the most rush attempts against them of any team last year, ranked 31st in yards per game allowed at 159.7, and ranked 27th in yards per carry at 4.7.
Kelly, Warren, and Sands will all be on the squad this year.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Aug 11, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what's not
to like about Warren or Kelly? Just because Warren came from Denver doesn’t mean he doesn’t help out on the pass rush. And I admit I don’t like Kellys contract, he can be a force to recon with. We need a good to average rotation of D-linemen out there.
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by sunelf77 on Aug 11, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the Frustration
our D line is a big Question mark
But with Ellis,Richardson,Scott ,Kelly and Gunheim thats 1 DT and 4DE we need to keep Joseph, Warren, Bryant or Sands for DT and with our DT’s wearing down in games we need to keep at least 4and rotate them out. or we be last in run defense.
Like it or not that’s the hand we are dealt so I’d add Warren,Joseph, and Bryant as DT and Shaughanessy as DE and put Gunheim on the practice squad dump Sands(as stated earlier)
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by S-n-B4life on Aug 11, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D Tackle has to be the focus
First, let me say that I don’t believe anything is etched in stone here, at DE we are fine, we have young aggressive players at that position. My hope is that we can find a stand out DT during the preseason, and its a fact that we will pick up a player off the wire if we have to. I like Bryant, I believe he may be underrated, Kelly and Warren need to step up their games, but the talent is there, they just need to be persistent. Now Sands, he would be on the bubble, he needs to really prove himself this preseason, but his size does give him an advantage.
Matt Shaughnessy makes the team, how much he will play don’t know. Ryan Boschetti practice squad player if he shows potential. Joseph, may not make it, this is a tough call on the D line. Can’t wait for the Dallas game so we can see the guys play.
by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 11, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I meant by what I posted,what a response!!
With the way our DT’s especially are playing we are swiss cheese..someone stated earlier 31st on defense.. at that rate thats another 8-8 season at the best.. It pains me to say that but its true.. With Warren it isnt just that he was an ex donkey, he just dont make plays consistently. He would be the DT I would keep but only till the end of training camp most likely. We wont get any better with DT that are soft.. Teams were getting 4-6 yds a crack and thats unexceptable. I would either get a vet off the final waiver wire that will be better and hopefully younger. We dont really benefit by also letting Michael Bush sit the pine most of the time, the 3 heade monster needs to decrease by one.. Justin Fargas,Huggy bear,jr is the odd man out for me —you could have mr.inside and mr outside again like the old days with DMC and Bush..You then could trade Fargas for a good DT as well. there are options but keeping status quo is disaster, we are too slow, and faster o lines are eating us up.. the days of the 320 lb DT that runs a 5.3 or above 40 are over. If no one understands this its me, we need quickness and youth., or at least a younger vet. its the only way we are going to beat SD in the division..we get killed on the o-line, that is significantly better although Barnes is hurt. the D line especially DT NEEDS WORK. there is a 3 round or young vet just waiting to be plucked off the waiver wire at the end of camp.. anyone remember Todd Christiansen was plucked off such a list.. The way our core is now is a joke. I am tired of all the 2 and 2 3 and 3 that our line puts us in constantly.. we know our Safties are shaky some of the time,and hopefully in time Mike Mitchell will be the next big hitter we need, huff was way too soft last year.. but Mitchell will need time to develop as well. I still stick behind what I said earlier we need to get younger and quicker this isnt your dads NFL this is a quicker faster league and we DONT MEASURE UP with our DT if that means keeping one, revamping and picking up a few off the wire.. I watch the wire every year there are some good player on there. that be said I am sure I will have naysayer because what I am saying is against the norm, but in the long haul I believe I am right and we would be a better team. let me know what you think
by prideandpoise on Aug 11, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont think its a good idea to just hope
we get lucky and something good falls on our lap via the draft. i think to improve the DT, the move to make was at #40 w/ Robert Ayers…but that ship has sailed. i dont think anyone will pony up anything for fargas though, but i might be wrong, i thought burgess was worth a 5th round at best.
id love to see warren and sands off the team, but only if we have a young guy waiting in the wings. i dont wanna grab just anyone off the wire and stick them there.
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by naq92 on Aug 12, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pride and Poise good points
The preseason will tell us a lot. I like to see a couple of games to see how players are reacting. D Tackles can be big boys but they have to be strong and athletic, you look at plays like Haynesworth and Kevin and Pat Williams. But they are not commonplace we need someone with a nasty disposition in that position, the game is faster but the fundamentals are the same, and it seems our guys play with no heart and bad fundamentals. I agree on the DT’s we have they have only proven how to be last in run Defense, so something needs to break there.
At Safety, if the rookie wins the position in camp you play him point blank. Every player has to earn his way in to playing time and if Mitchell earns his spot he should get it, I believe in starting rookies when they deserve it. Huff has a lot to prove to ever start again.
Running Back, right on the money M Bush & Mc Fad should handle the work load, Fargas is injury prone and I agree he is expendable, we can trade using him and maybe a draft pick we got from NE. I think our young running backs can create havoc on opposing defenses.
by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 11, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
give Fargas one more year
let him play this season and maybe get some good numbers, then trade him and bring in Rankin, who will be another year developed.
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by KA1Z3R on Aug 13, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to all those who don't like Warren
I have to ask, why? Sure he’s inconsistent but that’s what he’s working on in training camp. Consistently filling the gaps and being where he needs to be. Even if he just marginally improves or doesn’t at all, he’s still got a great pass rush and is probably our best DT against the run. He’ll have off days, but when he comes to play, he really comes to play.
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by KA1Z3R on Aug 13, 2009 7:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t get it either. Even though he can be inconsistent, he’s been the most consistent D-lineman for the past 2 years. He can’t do it alone fellas. Give him some other talent around him and see what he does then.
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by sunelf77 on Aug 13, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's definitely a solid DT
and he’s pretty good when you put him next to the other DTs. but we got one of the worst run defenses the last couple years from SOMEWHERE. not saying it’s his fault, but he must’ve atleast been a part of that..
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by naq92 on Aug 13, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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