Chiefs Week: Why the Raiders Are Going To Win.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
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Print"In Oakland...the games you always really wanted to come see were the Niners and the Chiefs. You grew up hating red...It goes deep. It's not just the teams. It's the organizations, you know, which organization is better? These are two teams that played in the old AFL against each other. Most of the history goes back to it. They've been AFC West rivals for a very, very long time. It's always been the must-win game."
"It's a dark game. I characterize it as a lot of darkness." When asked whether "dark" was meant as 'a good vs. evil dark'—"You can read between the lines."
—Gunther Cunningham, former Raiders defensive coordinator and former Chiefs Head coach and defensive coordinator, currently working as the Detroit Lions defensive coordinator.
"Only one word: Blood."
—Harvey Williams (who was with Oakland that season after four years in Kansas City) in a 1995 NBC interview for the team's first meeting in Oakland since 1981.
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Chiefs wins |
Ties |
Raiders wins |
Chiefs points |
Raiders points |
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Regular season |
51 |
2 |
44 |
2,050 |
1,956 |
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Postseason |
2 |
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1 |
33 |
54 |
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Total |
53 |
2 |
45 |
2,083 |
2,010 |
The Chiefs are one of two teams, that the Raiders have played ten or more times, that the Raiders do not have a winning record against.
To look at the history of this match-up is to glimpse at the history of the AFL itself, but with the Raiders strong performance in a tough week one loss, Raider fans are more concerned about the future than the past.
Kansas City is a three point favorite heading into this game. Take the points and the Raiders! Let’s look at the recent history of these two teams to help us analyze the upcoming game.
Obviously both of these teams are different than they were last year, but that does not mean we will not be able to gain some insight by looking into last years match-ups.
Raiders 23 Chiefs 8 Week 2 ‘08 at Arrowhead Stadium
The Raiders victory in week 2 was a direct result of the Raiders dominance in the run game. McFadden, Bush, and Fargas had 46 carries for 297 yards. That’s 6.46 yards a carry.
The Chiefs running backs had 17 carries for 34 yards. Easy math on that one makes it two yards a carry.
The passing game was an after thought for the Raiders, as it was for most of Lane Kiffin’s Raider coaching career.
Jamarcus was 6/17 with 55 yards and only, while only one of those receptions was to a wide receiver.
The Chiefs quarterbacks, Huard and Thigpen, were 16 for 37 and 168 yards.
The Raiders tallied five sacks to the Chiefs zero.
Chiefs 20 Raiders 13 Week 13 ’08 Oakland Coliseum
The Chiefs won the turnover and big play battle, while being able to slow down the Raiders ground game.
One of the Chiefs two touchdowns came on a 67 yard fumble return when Lechler tried a pitch to Janikowski on a fake field goal. The Raiders lost two fumbles in this game.
Raiders backs ran the ball 25 times for 95 yards. That’s 3.8 yards a carry. Fargas had 18 of the carries and McFadden seven.
Russell was 10/28 for 132 yards. Only one of those completions was to a receiver and that was for zero yards on a hook and latteral play. Zach Miller was the leading receiver for both games.
The Chiefs backs had 26 carries for 96 yards. That’s 3.7 yards a carry. In this game
Thigpen had 11 carries for 48 yards.
Thigpen was 15/22 with 162 yards (110 of those yards were to Tony Gonzalez) and an INT.
Again the Chiefs had zero sacks. The Raiders tallied one. The Raiders were 3-13 on third downs while the Chiefs converted at 50 percent.
Onto ‘09
This being only the second week of the season, it is hard to get a good analysis on the trends of teams strengths and weaknesses- the sample size is just too small.
I am going to look at anyway.
Ravens 38 Chiefs 24 Week One ‘09 M&T Bank Stadium
The Chiefs hung in this game by winning the turnover battle.
The Chiefs blocked a punt and recovered it in the endzone. The Chiefs fumbeled twice but did not lose either of those. They picked off Flaco once and returned it for 70 yards.
Croyle was efficient and smart and had decent protection.
Croyle was 16/24 and 177 yards with two td’s. The Ravens tallied three sacks and the Chiefs one.
Croyle threw to the TE’s five times for one catch and 10 yards, the WR’s 14 for 10 and 132 yards, and the backs five times for five catches and 35 yards.
The Ravens dominanted the ground game.
The Chiefs backs carried 16 times for 27 yards.
he Ravens backs carried 25 times for 171 yards. That’s 6.87 yards a carry.
Despite the success on the ground the Ravens let Flacco air it out. He was 26/43 with 306 yards.
He threw to the WR’s 22 times for 12 completions and 167 yards, the backs 13 times for nine completions and 66 yards, and the TE eight times for five completions and 74 yards
The Chiefs were seconds away from being doubled in time of possesion.
Outlook:
The Raiders need to protect the ball. Especially since they are playing on the road for the Chiefs home opener. The Chiefs are going to be amped up and the fans are going to be loud and ravenous. The Raiders cannot feed this monster with turnovers.
With healthy backs and an offensive line, they should be able to establish the ground game and win the time of possesion battle.
The Chiefs will stack the box and try and force the Raiders to pass. This should open up the field for Zach Miller to have another solid game.
He was their best weapon in the passing game against the Chiefs last year and Heap was the Ravens most efficient weapon in the passing game against the Chiefs last week.
Expect the Raiders backs to get involved in the passing game as well. Higgins appears doubtful for this week, so look for McFadden to line up at WR in multiple plays.
Also, Russell has always done well at finding his backs in the passing game, while the Chiefs new 3-4 scheme allowed the Ravens just over five yards per pass attempt to backs last week.
Russell should have time to deliver the ball. The Chiefs struggled with the pass rush last year and have not shown any improvement this year.
Look for Russell to improve on his numbers from last week. He will need some help from his receivers to do this and that, of course, is the big unkown.
The Raiders young receivers will be going against much younger corners than they did last week. They should be able to make a couple of big plays in this game.
However, it will not be shocking to see the chaos and noise, combined with their inexperience, to lead to some miscues in route running and/or ball handling.
On the defensive side, the Raiders should be able to build on what looks like their massively improved run defense.
The Chiefs did not have much success running the ball last year on the Raiders and did little to improve their run game this year, besides adding the aging Mike Goff to the line.
The Chiefs run numbers were pitiful last week, but it was against the Ravens D. Being embarrassed last week, while being fueled by the home opener this week, look for the Chiefs running game to give the Raiders their best effort.
Unless the passing game catches fire and opens up some holes it is reasonable to assume the Raiders can handle the Chiefs running game.
Publicly the Chiefs still do not know who will be helming their passing game. It might not matter much. The Raiders should be able to generate a decent pass rush. If Cassel does not have full mobility it would probably be wise to hold him out.
The Chiefs found decent success passing to the WR’s last week and this will be an interesting match-up this week.
The Raiders secondary matches up well with the Chiefs receivers. The Raiders have talked about having Asomugha shadow the opposing teams best WR this year (this was not the case last week). I doubt they will ever find a more appropriate game to do that than this one.
The Chiefs face a fierce decline in WR talent after Dwayne Bowe. Whoever is on Bowe should have the benefit of having safety help most of the game, because:
Let all of Raider Nation say this together, Tony Gonzalez is gone! The throw to the TE was by far their least efficient pass play last week.
Conclusion:
The Raiders seem to have the Chiefs beat in every facet of the game except the passing game (and kick off return coverage) but look for the Chiefs difficulties handling the run to open up a few big plays for the Raiders passing offense.
The Raiders D also matches up better with the Chiefs passing game then the Chiefs D against the Raiders (thanks to Miller and the backs).
If the Raiders protect the ball, they will win. Barring any big turnovers or no look Lechler to Janikowski flip plays this should be a Raider victory.
Prediction:
Raiders 24 Chiefs 13
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Raiders 38 Chiefs 13
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 18, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions
38 to 13?
Really?? Come on now, where do you expect all those points to come from? We all know Jmarcus can only throw over the middle about 10 yards and be on target. Anything to the outside he will miss by a mile. All any team has to do against the Raiders to get a W is stack the box and force Russel to beat you with his brain (not gonna happen). Im not going to come in here and say the Chiefs are going to beat you guys by a mile but come on 38-13? You guys are very delusional!
Chiefs win 24-10.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 18, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
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by teabaggingexper on Sep 18, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If he is throwing over the middle of the field he has shown accuracy way past ten yards.
Look at last weeks throws to Miller and on the final drive. He delivered a beautiful ball to Higgins 20 yards downfield and then was on the mark to Murphy 50 yards down the field.
And like you said the Chiefs are going to be stacking the box and Russell should have all day to throw against the Chiefs anemic pass russ rush. I see a couple of big pass plays this week.
24-10 Chiefs win, really? The Raiders D matches up well with the Chiefs O. Where do you see the Chiefs taking advantage of the Raiders D?
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude
Jamarcus threw for like 40 percent completion last week. Thats just god awful. Did you not pay attention to all the throws he missed? Just because he made one or two nice throws doesn’t mean those nasty throws didn’t happen. Hell our back up QB had a better game against a much better D than your boy did. Just saying….
The Chiefs will win the turnover battle in this one. J Russ will throw at least two picks on Sunday. He just isn’t very good, sorry guys. Our D will score a TD and put us in position for the O to score another. Ill Stand by my prediction of 24-10 and ill even show up after the game to either rub it in your face or eat some crow. Either way it will be a good game as they usaully are between the Chiefs and Raiders.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 18, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jamarcus's inaccuarcy usually comes on throws outside of the hash marks.
I didn’t say he had a great game or did not miss throws- I did say his accuracy over the middle is solid. This was evident last year as well.
Also he was working with two rookie receivers that cost his completion percentage with drops and bad route running. Five or six of his incompletions were drops. His first INT was Murphy’s fault and the second was on a hail mary
INT’s are typically not Russell’s weakness. Fumbles, due to lack of pocket presence, are a bigger concern with him, but with the Chiefs lack of a pass rush it should not be an issue.
Obviously he needs to play better, but his performance last week was not nearly as bad as the stats suggest and I think it is betting against the percentages to say his performance will cost the Raiders this game.
Good luck to your hopes of the Chiefs getting 14 points basically due to their defense. The Chiefs defense just isn’t that good… sorry. The Ravens had over 500 yards of offense last week- The Ravens!
I can’t wait to see how this one plays out and if I am wrong you can rub it in all you want! Chiefs week is always fun!
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We basically got 14 points off
the Ravens with our D. That is if you include special teams. Now im not saying its going to happen again but id be willing to bet we get some points from the d this week as well.
We will see about Jruss, but i don;t care about drops, we had drops as well. If you want to pick stats that you choose to ignore, I will ignore when Mark Bradley came up half a yard short twice on 3rd down because he didn’t pay attention to the sticks. With that said we wouldn’t have looked nearly as bad on 3rd down percantage….Im just saying you cant polish a turd….
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
No one is ignoring stats-
in fact I am paying attention to the stats and saying he was not as bad as his base stats suggest. Also you said he Russell has no accuracy over ten yards, but that is simply not true. He has proven his accuracy is better between the hash marks.
In your last post you ignored the stat that I brought up, which was the Ravens amassed 501 yards of offense.
The point about the third downs is valid. It sounds like with some easy adjustments the Chiefs would not have been as bad on third down. That is not polishing a turd- that is analyzing the statistics.
Good luck having a defense score points for you every week.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
if russell is better than the base stats
then why can’t that be true for the chiefs. if you actually watched the game and not read a figure in the newspaper then you would know that the defense kept us in the game until the 4th. while far from great d, if the chiefs d plays as well as they did against the ravens then you raiders should be scared because your O isn’t half what Baltimore’s is
the ravens and chargers have VERY similar offense, if not san diego has a BETTER offense than the RAVENS!
look how we dominated the chargers offense, both running and passing(if i remember, the chiefs had trouble against passing with joe flacco getting over 300 yards on 30 something completions) until late in the 4th. How can you not say that the chiefs offense is going to face more trouble than our offense against your defense? even though we might not throw it as much, but our running game was dominant last week, and it should be no difference come tomorrow.
Well I am not sold on the greatness of Baltimore's O
And they tore up the Chiefs d in a number of ways. Including the run game and throws to the backs and TE’s. Which happens to be the Raiders strengths as well.
And I never said it couldn’t be true about the stats and the Chiefs d. I said that comment was ignored and basically still is- other than you pointing out it was close until the fourth. Which anyone could see, as you say, by looking at figures in a newspaper.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
eeek. i hope not
that score screams raider mediocrity.
if they play the same way they did against SD. im goin 31-10. if not, ur porbably right.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
24-21 is more likely
regardless of who wins. Chiefs Raiders is very seldomly a blow out, regardless of who wins, (although it’s been KC mostly since the early 90s.) – Had to get that in there.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Raiders had a fair game AT HOME on Monday Night Football
And teams are always super pumped to play in primetime.
The Chiefs had a fair game against the Ravens on the road with our backup QB.
Neither team is any good.
Chiefs 17
Raiders 16
Raiders could have won on a last minute field goal but Cable called a FG fake and Janekowski fumbled it…. Oh wait, that was last year…
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umm..wow.
well…do u know if matt cassel and brandon flowers are playing? i hope they both are so the raiders get a good feel on the best the chiefs have to offer…
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
well having two things to offer
is more then i can say the raiders have. raiders are all speed and no talent
Raiders 27, Chiefs 17
The Raiders will dominate the running game for over 200 yards and two touchdowns (one for McFadden, one for Bush). Russell will bounce back, especially with plenty of time to throw in the pocket against KC’s anemic pass rush. I also expect the Raiders special teams to bounce back a bit too, giving KC long fields.
Cassel/Croyle will have a fair day, but it’s going to be tough sledding for Larry Johnson against the new-look Raiders defensive line, forcing KC’s offense into tough 3rd down situations. The Chiefs were only 2 for 10 on 3rd down against the Ravens; the Chargers were only 5 for 12 against the Raiders.
Prevent John Marshall from running the prevent defense!
well-stated
p.s. love the signature
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
Raiders 28, Chiefs 10
If the Raiders put up 20 on the Chargers D and held an offense as good as the Chargers extremely well for most of the game, a team that’s only half as talented as the Chargers poses no real threat.
The Raiders will win because of the same reason they nearly beat the Chargers, they win just about every individual matchup.
Larry Johnson vs. the D-Line and linebackers= Raiders win. LJ is very inconsistent and only has about two good games a year. If the Raiders dominated Sproles and Tomlinson, LJ is going to be practically a pushover.
Bowe and Bradley vs. CJ and Scrabble= Raiders win. This is flat-out domination to the highest degree. If the Chargers receiving arsenal struggled as much as it did, imagine how the Chiefs will do.
Ryan/Cottam vs. Branch= Raiders win. Branch did a pretty good job against Antonio Gates, a top-5 TE. Sean Ryan and Brad Cottam will be shutdown.
Albert, Waters, Goff, Niswagner, and Ndukwe vs. Seymour, Kelly, Warren, and Ellis= Raiders win. The Raiders D-Line flat-out dominated the Chargers O-Line, and while the Chiefs have a talented O-Line, they’re nowhere near Chargers standards. Plus Seymour will have been able to practice more than 2 days.
Jackson, Tyler, Dorsey, Hali, and Vrabel vs. Henderson, Gallery, Morris, Carlisle, and Green= Raiders win. The Chiefs couldn’t get much pressure on Flacco or stop the run game. If the Chargers defensive front faced many of the same struggles versus Oakland, the Chief will be in for a long game. The only real weak link is Morris, who handled Jamal Williams very nicely.
You can see where I’m going with this. Pont is, when you win the individual position matchups, chances are you win the team matchup and thus win the game. Really the only spot where the Chiefs win a matchup on us is Cassel is a better QB than Russell at this point. Though much like last year, Russell will get in his groove as the year goes on. So the same probably won’t be said next time these teams meet.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 18, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
I don't know.
Russell behind the Pat’s O-line may have been better than he was behind ours. I wanna see Cassel play behind a weaker O-line and then we can see how good he is. Great break down. You got a rec.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
What are your thoughts on the Raiders passing game vs. Chiefs pass d?
Also the Chiefs were efficient throwing to the backs last week averaging 7 yards per pass attempt. The Raiders did well in defending the pass to the backs for the first three quarters and then….
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
14 of KC's points last week directly attributable to turnovers/special teams
One of the areas that should also be mentioned is turnovers and special teams. KC won the turnover battle against the Ravens, leading to a punt block recovered for a TD as well as an INT returned for 70 yards that led to a short field for the Chiefs.
The Raiders coverage team struggled against Darren Sproles, but I expect them to fare better against the Chiefs. It also sounds like JLH is a game-time decision, so he may still be able to return punts, while handing his WR duties over to Walker, DHB, and Watkins.
To ensure the game goes as we hope it will, the Raiders need to be secure with the ball.
Prevent John Marshall from running the prevent defense!
Of course these guys recd this up
This the largest display of blatant homerism I have ever seen. I will agree that the Raiders have an advantage in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Maybe even in the RB department. Maybe. ( you forgot about J. Charles who will kill you if you don’t account for him )
But to say your secondary has an advantage over our WRs is the most ridiculous statement I have heard this week. Bowe and Bradley are going to OWN your CBs tomorrow in such a bad way. Asomugha is THE MOST OVERRATED DB IN THE NFL. Bowe will make him look like a clown.
Its also very convenient the way you failed to mention the poor excuse for WRs on the Raider team vs our extremely talented secondary. Your WRs will have a very long day tomorrow and it’s going to be much worse for Russell. The Chiefs will have AT LEAST 2 ints against your offense tomorrow. J-Mac is the least accurate passer I have seen in the NFL in a looong time. He is worse than Tyler Thigpen and if you read our site, you will realize that I H8 Thigpen.
And my last point is, you say that as of right now Cassel is the better QB but won’t be next time we meet. Why the hell would you say something like that? Do you think Russell is going to improve and Cassel will stay the same? He is, and will always be a better QB than Russell be cause Russell is lazy and doesn’t do anything to improve his game. If he did, people wouldn’t be labeling him a first round bust (which he is )
You guys had a nice homefield advantage last week but, you will NOT have that benefit this week. Arrowhead will be ROCKIN!!! To be honest, I don’t even see how you lost last week against San Diego. Oh I know it’s because your coach sucks and he let them walk out of your house with a game you should have won. Remember this too. We lost to SD twice last year by one point and we are waaaay better this year than we were then. Just in case you are feeling real good about that “moral victory” against a division foe.
I really hoe Russell does have a very strong arm though cuz he’s gonna need it to pick himself up off the turf tomorrow. Dude weighs what? 300 pounds??
Go Chiefs!!!!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 19, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was going to try and argue this
but when i heard u say that the chiefs WRs are better than Raider DBs, and that nnamdi is the most overrated DB in the game, i realized that you are either a) incredibly stupid or b) just trying to draw an angry response from the raider nation.
i pray to god that its the latter…
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
I hope after you mentioned homerism you were sarcastic
your an idiot. simple as that
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
Idiot? Because of the Asomugha statement?
That dude hasn’t done shit in 2 years. He has one good season (2007) and you fuckheads want to make a bronze bust for him.
Let the scoreboard do the talking. I will be over here talking shit while they are scraping J-Russ off the grass of Arrowhead tomorrow afternoon.
C Ya ladies.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 19, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? you are going to rip on Nnamdi?
The only reason he doesn’t get picks is because no one throws on him. You will find it hard to go anywhere outside of your delusional world to find others who do not agree he is easily in the top 3 cb’s in the league.
You are pretty confident in that vaunted Chiefs pass rush. Russell is shaking in fear right now I am sure.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yo noontide.
dont waste your time with this guy. he doesnt watch raider games, and he’s just tryin to piss you off.
we all saw the difference asomugha makes today. once he went to the sidelines, the chiefs scored their only touchdown. you want to talk about overrated DBs maybe we ought to start with flowers….definitely expected more from him today.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Funny you say that...
I was thinking the exact same thing when kfc got their only td on Routt and Flowers came up whiffing.
And play of the game may have been Asomugha’s tackle on Savage to end the half.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Homerism?
Have you read Arrowhead Pride lately?
actually i have
and while we still love our team, i can point out tons of instances of us being harsh and pointing out the reality of our team. we will be the first ones to admit our team probably has the worst o-line in the NFL. can you guys admit your teams faults. i think not. you guys think russell is some great QB when in fact he’s mediocre at best. we have admitted, even here, that it is possible that last weeks defensive points were a fluke and wont happen again based on last years performance. we still say it’s too early to tell. have you? nope, sorry. did you forget that your defense was ranked only 4 places higher than our last year. do you honestly think that you went from 27th to better than the number 2 defense last year. some how i seriously doubt that. but then again i’m bias against your team aren’t i. what do i know i’m just a chiefs homer.
Only the dilusional of us
think Russell is the man. We’re all just excited because even though we lost last week, we put up a fight and didn’t get destroyed like we thought we were. You can’t tell me you don’t have the same types of fans in your world that think you’ll go 15-1 this year. What exactly gives you the right to come on our blog and tell us not to speak h highly of our own team?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am the first to admit our faults as well but
to say
Asomugha is THE MOST OVERRATED DB IN THE NFL. Bowe will make him look like a clown.thats the true definition of homerism. When I go to the site and see you guys think you can sweep us and the Broncos thats homerism.
First post here
I predict Raiders 24, Chiefs 13.
The Chargers are a considerably more stout defense, particularly against the run, than are the Chiefs. I feel that McFadden will break at least one long run on Sunday.
On Monday we held the Chargers to under 80 rushing yards and we physically dominated their offensive line. The Chiefs have nowhere near that kind of talent at either RB or OL. I say we hold Larry Johnson to under 50 yards. My only concern is Jamaal Charles. He isn’t as shifty as Sproles, but he is just as fast.
Cassell is a good QB (if he plays) and we should not underestimate him or Dwayne Bowe, but it’s hard to complete a pass from your backside. I expect the Raiders D-line to dominate all game long.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Raiders 23, Chiefs 13
Simple reason is this: Kansas City’s lines can’t match up with Oakland’s.
Cassel is not exactly known for having great pocket escape skills. Look for Greg Ellis to eat Ndukwe’s lunch and have a big day. Tommy Kelly could also have a big day if they put both Albert and Waters on Seymour….not really convinced Albert can handle Seymour on his own. He’s talented for sure, but I don’t know if he’s at that level yet.
On the other side of the ball, the Chiefs 3-4 defense is simply not as talented as San Diego’s is and the Chargers got mauled for much of the game by Henderson, Gallery, and Morris. I don’t forsee those three having any trouble shoving Tank Tyler, Glenn Dorsey and Tamba Hali any which way they want.
Unless Kansas City has some awesome gameplan I’m unaware of, I don’t think numbers like this are out of the realm of possiblity:
McFadden: 18 carries, 93 yards
Bush: 14 carries, 64 yards
Fargas: 11 carries, 38 yards
That’s almost 200 yards of rushing right there. Russell really only needs to go something like 13/20 for 195 yards and not turn the ball over.
All that being said, I can think of about a half dozen things KC can do that would make them win:
1) Attack the right side of the Raiders line. Tyson Jackson is an explosive player and there’s a potential mismatch there against Cornell Green.
2) Creatively utilize Mike Vrabel. He could do well either coming on delayed blitzes or staying back to help a safety cover Zach Miller. Either would be a big step toward a KC victory.
3) Put Brandon Flowers on Louis Murphy. Try to force DHB to be the one who needs to make the clutch catches.
4) Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers: Can’t stress this one enough. Bouts of fumbleitis have plagued both Russell and McFadden from time to time.
5) Utilitize a lot of 3 and 4 wide receiver sets to force Stanford Routt onto the field and then pick on him all day.
6) If LJ gets stuffed early, find a way to utilize Jamaal Charles as much as possible with draws and screens.
by Raybin on Sep 18, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
IMO that Haley, the reason that the AZ Cardinals might suck this year, will have Plans A, B , C
Rec Raybin for another thoughtful comment. The Raiders could well run all over us but I think they will have to play a Ravens type plan Pass Early successfully. If Not the Chiefs might end with 9 in the box.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Len Dawson:
"Lamar Hunt had a dream and, the thing is, we had dreams, too. Just imagine the number of people that he has touched because he said, 'I'm going after this dream."'
by smokin iowa chief on Sep 19, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You all forgot the game is in Arrowhead.
Where the Chiefs fucking own your pathetic franchise. Chiefs 27 Oakland 13
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, your logic is irrefutable
I and many others have offered a lot of reasons why we think Oakland will win. I also listed some ways I think the Chiefs could win. Care to respond to any of that and, you know, have a productive discusson?
by Raybin on Sep 18, 2009 2:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Nice impartial analysis
Wrecked. This game is a big unknown and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. Baltimore was a very good team, and they had a very good game plan. They picked on backup cornerback Maurice Legget early. Still KC held them to a ton of third an longs, but they were able to consistently convert. KC should have a different/better defense if Brandon Flowers is healthy.
Similarly on offense, there is no comparison, Cassel is by far the best QB on the Chiefs. He hasn’t played much yet. So, I think it will be entertaining for both sides to watch Cassel make his debute.
KC fans love Raider week, and actually it had gotten a little lopsided. I’m looking forward to a competitive game at a rocking Arrowhead stadium!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
The original post indicated we are working with a dangerously small sample size.
Also as they say on any given sunday….
No one has ever accused the Ravens of having a very good offense. Flowers being healthy won’t effect the Raiders much as they are not counting on much from the rookie WR’s. That being said, the Chiefs could use him.
I expect the only hope the Chiefs have to stop the run is to load up the box, which should leave the secondary hanging a bit. Especially considering the Chiefs get little or no pressure on the QB.
Using your logic isn’t Cassel being by far the best QB on the Chiefs a big unkown? Have they announced if he is going to play yet?
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
All good points
I wasn’t being sarcastic, I really thought it was a nice impartial analysis.
If I was coaching KC, that’s exactly what I would do, is load up the box, and put the game on JaMarcus’s shoulders. Normally, I like blitzing and getting pressure, but KC should just stack the line of scrimmage in this game.
Cassel is a huge unknown. That’s my point. No one can predict this one without a crystal ball, that’s why they play the game.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Sorry for misreading you cpa
Did the Chiefs blitz much aginst the Ravens? What’s the latest on Cassel?
I am looking for Miller to capitolize on the seem routes against the loaded box. And we are all waiting for at least one big play from Darrius.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Chiefs blitzed way too much..and still couldn't get pressure
Chiefs made Heap look like he was Tony G or Witten or something. Raiders can make big plays over the middle if KC’s inside backers don’t step up their play big.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Miller could have a big game then.
It’ll be interesting to see if the Chiefs blitz much. Russell can be prone to holding the ball to long and fumbling. The O-line picked up everything well last week, but the right side is definately suspect.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
the Ravens RB's were better than average at pickin up those blitz's
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
September 14, 2008 at Arrowhead
Raiders 23 Chiefs 8
Nuff Said
two field goals and a safety?
or a TD and a 2 point conversion?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Uhhh
What about the 8 consecutive games before that (03-07)? And what about the game later that season?
Come on…
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Excuse me
2003-2006 Chiefs won them all….they spit in 07 and 08.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1000
Len Dawson:
"Lamar Hunt had a dream and, the thing is, we had dreams, too. Just imagine the number of people that he has touched because he said, 'I'm going after this dream."'
by smokin iowa chief on Sep 19, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Commenting on this quote.
You all forgot the game is in Arrowhead. Where the Chiefs fucking own your pathetic franchise. Chiefs 27 Oakland 13
As of recently nobody has owned noone.
That's funny.
Though process: Hmm, we’ve won 1 out of the last 10 games against the Chiefs, so I’ll just point that one out. Doesn’t matter that it wasn’t even the last meeting.
Cantaloupe? More like wontaloupe. Lazy ass melons.
yep, thats correct
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
didnt own our asses there last season
in fact i’m pretty sure Run-DMC ran around you like you were standing still
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
by Ozraider on Sep 18, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
no bragging for splits..
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
Didn’t we go in there 2 time is a row and beat they chiefs it will be 3 times raiders 24 kc 10
Russell and Cable Need to get DHB the ball on the first play of the game on a screen a slant some how a short pass just to get the monkey of Our Rookie back.
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 18, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
no you didnt
we have beat you 9 out of 10 last year was your only win in 5 years
Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
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by teabaggingexper on Sep 19, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
its actually the Chiefs have won 10-12
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
You can ignore the fact that we've won two in a row there.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 20, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The last like eight games have been within one score
So, whether you think the Chiefs or Raiders will win, that’s something to keep in mind. These teams always keep it close (although the Chiefs have won like 9 of 10 or something).
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
Every year when I think we can sweep you guys we end up splitting. Its a divison rivalry so expect things to be closer than we all think.
Throw out the records
(Well this year that’s actually good for us both) Always a close game!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Splitting
That was only last year :)
Four straight years before that it was the Chiefs winning both games.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chiefs 23 Raiders 20
Here is how I see it going down.
Chiefs score a last minute touchdown with about 20 seconds to go to put them up by 3. Chiefs pooch kick it to about Oaklands 19 yard line and Higgins takes it to the 33. Janikowski kicks a 74 yard field goal to tie the game with no time on the clock. Goes into overtime, Chiefs win on a 89 yard fieldgoal from Succup.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That is insane and could never happen...
Higgins doesn’t return kickoffs.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope it was obvious that was sarcasm.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 21, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
You are Canadian :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Raiders 24 - Chiefs 7
I’m going to be in arrowhead sunday watchin the game. Gonna have my Raider gear on in full force. Can’t wait to beat them chiefs!!!! Go Raiders!!!!!
7 points for the Chiefs?
You realize we put up 24 against a much better defense in Baltimore with our backup QB right?
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And much of your points were on special teams
not from your offense
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
points r points
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
You're dressing up in full force?
Probably won’t be too hard to spot you then :)
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Parking lot for AP get together C9
and if you like Ganya you will be welcome and derided all at the same time ?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Which one of your back up QB that plays doesn't matter.
Our defense will be up to par.With Seymour getting a whole week to practice he should have a good game. Also that frees up Kelly to not be double teamed. Our defense is playing inspired football. Plus we will run the ball and control the clock. That’s why I predict the low score.
I'm a KC fan
That said, I was really impressed with the Raidaaaa’s on Monday Night. Why did you all go to that prevent defense anyway?
Every team has weaknesses. Right now, you’re probably about two years ahead of us in the rebuilding process, except at Quarterback. JaMarcus has a lot of work to do. Since it’s a quarterback driven league, I believe if Cassel is close to 100%, and if some turnovers come into play, KC has a good chance.
Regardless, it’s Chiefs vs. Raiders. These games traditionally aren’t settled by more than 3 points no matter how good or bad we are. Let’s get it going!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Pretty much every team would have done the same thing. As Nnamdi Asomugha said in his interview with Jaymee Sire after the game that aired on Raiders Postgame Live (with Jim Kozimor, Bill Romanowski and Tony Bruno), they wanted to keep everything in front of them.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 18, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a good game for the neutral NFL fan.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 18, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Why will the defense be better?
They were 24th in the NFL in points last year and 27th in yards. Has that much changed?? The defense has been pretty crappy for the last six years.
That’s not meant to be a shot at the Raiders…the Chiefs have been the same way for the last few years and we certainly don’t expect the defense to rise.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders biggest weakness was certainly defending the run...
the additions of Ellis and especially Seymour solved the weakest points of the Raiders run d, the ends. This allows Kelley to face one on one blocking and for the speedy linebackers to face less o lineman in pursuit of the backs.
The secondary also looks improved. Chris Johnson finished the year strong at corner and started this year off even stronger. And Michael Huff may finally be in his natural position, deep safety. He had his best game as a pro against the Chargers.
It is certainly not taken as a shot. I can understand anyone’s skepticism as to the Raiders having improved at anything. I believe Seymour really did change the dynamics of this defense.
Also, the Raiders ditched Rob Ryan. He is a crap d coordinator and had a pitiful defensive debut with the Browns last week.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a racists KC fan but the comment was removed.
by SbleedB on Sep 18, 2009 5:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
On behalf of KC fans, we apologize
Most of us at least try to be civil, except for the occassional alcohol induced smack talk.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
AP likes to invade but we don't usually assault
Thank you Silver and Black Pride for letting us come over and Debate the game :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries guys!
I, for one, am glad you are here. This is what rivalries are about. Besides we all knew there were racist asshole Chiefs fans… lol, honestly though there are dumbasses everywhere- a couple might even be Raiders fans too.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
well you guys have cross dressers!! =)
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
Hey We got Craig :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 19, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF Steve
I come here to talk smack to Raider fans, not Chief fans!!!
Now if you’ll escuse me, I have to go adjust my g-string. I paid $50 and $49 of it is stuck in my ass.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 19, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet Saturday night in Calgary
Rec
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 19, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
A rude and ignorant comment got removed from this blog. That explains the blizzard.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Raiders 27-10
14 of your points came from help on D, ST. I believe the Ravens D is on the decline this year as well. We ran all night right at SD up the gut and couldn’t stop it, so I don’t see how KC thinks that’s all they need to do to win this game. Zach Miller will have a field day.
Tonya, you don’t need to use caps to make up for what you’re lacking. It’s alright little man, I’m sure somebody out there loves you.
by SbleedB on Sep 18, 2009 4:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
KC 24 Oak 16
KC defense will play the run and force JR to pass
KC offense will open up more of the playbook
KC home opener
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
Score? But Raiders will win.
First of all home field advantage means nothing cuz the raiders spanked kc in kc last year. Its obvious that with the exception of sd the afc west is rebuilding. The raiders are farthest along in the rebuilding process in my opinion. Last week kc had 14 points from their d, that leaves only 10 from their o… Raiders put up 20, all o, and should have been more like 27, cosidering the td, that was a td, was called back, and the fumble by mac would have at least been a field goal. I believe cable is the real deal. The raiders have talent and it is starting to show. They are a young team and will have growing pains but I expect that this year they will improve each game. KC is nothing compared to sd and the raiders gave that game to sd in my opinion. Raiders win fo sho. GO RAIDERS!!!
San Diego is actually not very good
Kansas City gift wrapped both games for them last year. It took Dwayne Bowe muffing an on-side kick and some other ridiculously silly play for San Diego to beat a 2-14 team by, if I am not mistaken 1 point, and 2 points.
If you think home field advantage means nothing, you’ve never smelled the BBQ, and seen the fog at Arrowhead, and you’ve never dressed up like it’s Halloween at the Colliseum. It means something.
Yea, Raiders are further ahead in the rebuilding process, except when Al Davis takes two steps back (DeAngelo Hall), except for Quarterback. If Matt Cassel is close to 100%, that should be the difference. It is a QB driven league, look at who pulled out the close games last week, Brady, Manning, Rivers, etc. Call him a system quarterback if you want, but KC has a huge advantage at the QB position.
Like I said, It’s Chiefs Raiders, look for a 3 point game, it doesn’t matter who’s good and who’s not!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
here's what i think.
raiders had plenty of close games against the chargers too last year. division rivalries are always intense games. before 07, our games against our afc east opponents were always VERY challenging games, despite how our defense was and how tom brady was in those years. even last year(eve though without brady) all the games, except the first game against miami, were close ones.
home field advantage does mean something, but i don’t know the raiders record in Arrowhead the last couple of ears or so.
i do believe cassel is better than russel, at the moment. but how cassel will fare against his first year with KC, against a new and improved defense of the raiders is anyones guess.
i’ll stick with my prediction of 24-17 raiders, but i believe this will be a close game.
by patriotguy on Sep 18, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Home field advantage means something
especially in KC! Arrowhead has to be one of the biggest home field advantages in the league. Last year the Raiders dealt with it by destoying the Chiefs with the ground game and they are going to need to do that again this year.
When I think of the Chiefs home field advantage for this game I worry about our starting rookie recievers and our starting right tackle/penalty maker, Cornell Green.
Also I expect the Chiefs to give this one their maximum effort.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe if the game was to end tied
We could send Haley (Ali) out to face Cable (Foreman) to decide the Winner?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 19, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
Cable Bumaye!
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Small sample size
No offense, but this is a really weak argument:
First of all home field advantage means nothing cuz the raiders spanked kc in kc last year.
I would say the previous four consecutive years, when the Chiefs beat the Raiders in KC, is more indicative of homefield advantage.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Joel
Last year we split the games, the four years before that KC may have won them all but all of that means nothing. Those were pretty much the worst years in Raiders history. Oakland is definitely improving this year and KC isn’t what they’ve been in years past. Basically what I’m saying is you’re an Arrowhead Pride manager right? It would be great if you quit living in the past and post some insightful thoughts on what you think this years teams look like.
by Bay2NY on Sep 18, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm actually going to rec that
Come on Joel, give us some insight
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Last year we split the games, the four years before that KC may have won them all but all of that means nothing.
If previous years mean nothing then why are you basing your argument off of what the Raiders did last year?
Those were pretty much the worst years in Raiders history.
These ARE the worst years in Raider history (and Chiefs). Last time I checked, they’re still 0-1.
Oakland is definitely improving this year and KC isn’t what they’ve been in years past.
Still just one game. They may be improving but they’re a long way from provin that.
Basically what I’m saying is you’re an Arrowhead Pride manager right? It would be great
if you quit living in the past and post some insightful thoughts on what you think this years teams look like.
Read my other posts on here. JaMarcus Russell is a very inaccurate passer, the Chiefs have only stayed in games because of turnovers, the secondary is the bright spot on the team so I think the Chiefs will pick the ball off on multiple occasions putting us in better field position.
This needs to happen because the Chiefs offense is crap. That’s how the Chiefs will win. If the Raiders get the run game going, however, it could be over in a hurry. It still comes down to Russell, though.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Screwed up that block quote
But you get the picture.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
To answer that.
We flat out sucked the years before. Kiffin was the first coach to try to change the culture of losing but he was too much of a jackass to make much of an impact.
unfortunately you'll still have a culture of losing
until you get rid of that dried up prune for an owner. he’s running your organization into the ground.
How does that feel now after todays game?
We got the last laugh today!
i wasn't laughing at you guys
just stating the fact that your owner is the main reason for your pain. the said thing is, when i was growing up i use to despise the raiders. now i just feel sorry for you. you can laugh all you want, but the raiders didn’t win, the chiefs lost it.
reminded me of raiders teams of years past
whenever something went right back…it went back because of a penalty. im still glad we beat the chiefs at home on a short week, even w/o a couple key players…but that game was definitely discouraging for a raider fan.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
How do I vote for JaMarcus Russell to be MVP
After the Chiefs victory?
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Per Pro Football Reference.com He had 12 Fumbles last year
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Ha you go to the Chiefs blog!
Question for a KC guy. How was the pass blocking last week? Just from looking at the stats I would say it was at least decent.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't great
Brodie Croyle had to get the ball off in a hurry. He completed 16 passes for like 188 yards or something. One of those passes was a 53 yard completion so they were generally shorter, quicker passes.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, I’m glad no one took my score.
I’ll go with a 23-16 Raiders victory.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 18, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions
24-17 Raider's win.
KC will have enough offense to put up 2 TD’s and one field goal, simply because of the MUCH improved defense of oakland. KC has a good defense, but will have trouble against the run, and zach miller(in my opinion) will have a field day against the chiefs, much like todd heap did last week. which is why i think the raiders will put up twice the score the chiefs will.
KC WIns by 10 or more
Croyle QB rating 118 against the Raven defense 2 TDs and No Ints
Russell QB rating 45 against the Charger defense 1 TD and 2 Ints 12 of 30
The D will hold up as long as they can but if they have to be on the field for 3/4s of the game only bad things will happen. This is Russell’s 3rd year in the pros and he still hasn’t learned to not stare down his receivers and to set his feet before he throws.
Al’s first instinct was right . He was going to trade away the number one pick for another QB from the league until the fans and the press hounded him into over paying for a QB that looks more like an Offensive Tackle.
Did you see those two blocks Russel put on the Chargers on the Higgins run? It was great.
Anyways, I don’t believe JR will ever developed into a competent QB for the future, however, it’s hard to believe that he will have a rating of 45 again. He’ll improve, but not by much. The best thing to happen for KC and the worst thing to happen for JR is that Schilens is still out. The best thing for the raiders this week is if JR doesn’t turn the ball over. He doesn’t need to put up impressive numbers for us to win games, that’s what D-Mac and Bush are for.
All JR needs to do Sunday is not turn the ball over and complete just the 3rd down and short..
Just HIT somebody.
Im still wondering when ur coaching staff will make him a pulling guard.
those blocks we awesome.
The difference between a good and bad day, isn't what changes in your day...It's what changes in you.
Nice article
I concur. The Raiders are upset at having the REFS hand them a loss against the bolts. I think this game is pivotal for Raider Nation. If the TEAM ( I think they finally earned the name) is really pissed at the BS they put up with Mon. night now is the time to show it. STATEMENT time. No mercy. Take it to the house and get it done. I believe it’s going to happen! Three division games to start the season,two of which are at home. Statement time. No ref’s are going to deny the Nation the rewards we have coming….for the dues we have paid borthers! Rock on. Kick the chief’s asses !
Umm
How did the refs cost them the game? That was a correct call? I know it sucks, but it was the correct call!
Oh yea, I don’t think the Arrowhead crowd really cares about what happened to the Raiders last week.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
One thing we have all forgotten to mention is...
The Raiders are facing a short week and a history of failure that faces the losers of monday night match-ups the following week.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
DJS52
Have MAMA put your F’in diaper on brat. I’m always amazed at the punks that show up on Raider blogs. Can’t find a chief’s blog to toot your own horn on? We come to discuss our team amongst the nation,not some smart ass ass wipe like you. Your comments display your obvious lack of intellect. maybe the broncos are looking for a few good ,ah ,fems .Sorry, fans. get lost ZERO!
Raiders win
Stats are stats. They mean everything and nothing. (joel) 4 years ago is a long time to go by. I only see whats right in front of me and whats right behind me. We beat the cheifs there last year and we will beat them there this year. This is just my opinion. The raiders are a better team than the cheifs and have more depth and talent. Croyle… DJS52 I like how you left out russells passing yards, only put in his rating, lame…. Lets face it russell came through in the clutch and did his part, the d lost the game for them at the end. Did croyle do anything to put the cheifs in the lead with under two min to play? didnt think so. If it was not for the cheifs d they would have only scored 10 points last week, not to mention one was a lucky block. Raiders win this match. GO RAIDERS!!!
by SAVAGEMATT on Sep 18, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Before you declare Russell the next Tom Brady
Remember his best throw was on a totally blown coverage by the Chargers. Take away that one play, and he would have had less than 150 yards passing. He was only 12 of 30. I know your supporting your team, but JaMarcus has a long ways to go before he would even be considered a backup quarterback on any other team. If JaMarcus was an average NFL quarterback, you all would have blown out the Chargers. It wouldn’t have been close! The Raiders have a great running game, but let’s not pretend JaMarcus is ready for prime time.
The Chiefs are a work in process. It is a process. They will probably look horrible for parts of the first half of the season. They may also look unbeatable on occassion. Probably this Sunday, before looking horrendous again.
When is the last time Oakland beat the Chiefs at home?
My prediction is that the Raiders do run for over 200 yards, but the 125 passing yards just won’t be enough to get it done, as the Chiefs win on a strip while JaMarcus gets sacked. It will be a close game. I predict KC 24-OAK 23
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
His best throw may have very well been the one right before the blown coverage
that higgins dropped. that was a thing of beauty. Also remember Russell is working with two starting rookie receivers! and just overall a very young offense. It would be tough for any QB to look good in these circumstances.
Russell will look better when Schillens returns. And look at his numbers from the end of last season. He was solid. In fact the last two games against two teams that needed wins for the playoffs he went 32/46 with 384 yards 4 td’s and 1 pick.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 18, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
I only see whats right in front of me and whats right behind me. We beat the cheifs there last year and we will beat them there this year.
You only see what’s in front of you but cite last year’s victory over KC? :)
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe, and you chose to ignore this
he says
I only see whats right in front of me and whats right behind me. We beat the cheifs there last year and we will beat them there this year.
So your argument fails here.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
And also the win we had
There was so many close games last year they we fucked up on Defense. I was starting to think Ryan was throwing the games.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Actually, yeah. We were tied with the Ravens with 2:15 left at 24-24 off of a Croyle TD drive
They are a MUCH better over all team than the Raiders. We are talking about Brodie Croyle here. With Cassel playing, you guys are going to have a looong day. There is no tape on our offense with Cassel in there and you guys will have no idea what it will look like. Your secondary will be winded by halftime.
Chiefs win at home 28-17
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 19, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
we were ahead of the chargers twice yesterday
it seems like the ravens and chargers are VERY similar, so what does that say if we were ahead of the chargers twice that game?
By Oakland beat the Chiefs at home
I meant in Oakland. I’m not a historian.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
I am feeling 45-20 Raiders Win
I mean how long has it been since the Raiders have put a 40 burger on the board i cannot remember but, if our Defense plays how they did “without the prevent” it should be immovable. Richard Seymour should give great pressure up the middle and outsides Cheifs QB will throw toward Nnamdi Asomugha I say go ahead he will be ready. With both our passing and rushing ranked 8th in the league is great if we get off on a great start there is no stopping us ask the Broncos what happens when the Raiders get on a roll I’ll tell you 3 TD’s in 18 plays.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
It amazes
me that people will predict such a score on a divisional game. It won’t be that big of a difference in score, but I feel Oakland will take it.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Here are the facts...
Here are the facts for the Chiefs:
-Horrible O-line
-Croyle was our BACK UP QB and did better than your starter
-Our Linebackers are weak in coverage
-Switched to a 3-4 defense(work in progress)
-With Flowers back we will be a beast in the secondary
-Ravens IS a better defense than Raiders(although you guys are improving)
-We take advantage of mistakes(look last week)
Here are the facts for the Raiders:
-Russell made some throws dead on, others were a miss by a mile
-Two rookie wide outs..how many catches did bey get? none?
-Your middle routes to Miller are a good option(since our LB’s can’t cover)
-Your running game was great last week
-Seymour is your best addition(yet he didn’t make one sack against us last year as patriot)
-Your CB’s are good. Will be a good fight against Bowe.
-Still make costly mistakes(but improving vastly)
Both teams have made a lot of progress this year and I think are the two best teams in the division. You guys need a new QB, your rookie WR’s need more time. We need a new O-line and our LB’s need more time. The fact is, we both are rebuilding and having weak points along with strong points. The fact is, it will be a great game and we are all going to have fun rooting for our team.
by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 18, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Raiders 24 Chiefs 17
One other point about Russell verses the Chargers, was that many times we had only a few receivers in the pass patterns. He only had 2 wideouts and the TE, everyone else was in pass protection, as we did not know how heavy the Chargers pass rush would be. If we know the Chiefs rush won’t be as strong as the Chargers, perhaps we will commit more receivers and give him more targets.
I think that pass catching TEs are one of the strengths of this team (we have 3 good ones) and would love to see more 2 tight end sets, especially with a TE in the slot who could act as the lead blocker instead of a FB on a running play, or run a pass pattern on a pass play. Power football baby it’s what the new Raiders are all about.
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 18, 2009 11:59 PM PDT reply actions
We suck the life out of you.
Raider Fan,
If history has proven anything it is that the Raiders choke horribly at the end of games vs. the Chiefs. How many times have you been stabbed in the heart by your own team in the last two minutes of these match-ups? Countless.
Can’t you still see images of Art Shell dumbfounded after all those consecutive losses to KC?
It will happen again tomorrow. Your guys will find a way to blow it. They always have, especially in KC.
Prepare yourselves now. Don’t get your hopes dashed again, when JaMarcus throws the ball to a d-lineman with the game on the line.
Regardless of any of your protests that follow, you know perfectly well that my scenario is the most likely. History has proven it.
Best wishes,
Chiefs fan.
by Glimpse of Reality on Sep 19, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions
um
is this raider team the SAME EXACT raider tea that you’ve seen in the days of Art Shell? Or any previous years?
this isnt really related to this topic
but does anyone know why sampson satele isnt starting?
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 19, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions
After the roster cutdowns
Jerry McDonald reported that Chris Morris won the job.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Struggling with ZBS calls
Coach Cable indicated that Satele was struggling making the proper zone blocking calls one the line. The center is QB of the OL, and there were times that Satele wouldn’t read the defensive front properly and call a particular blocking scheme correctly.
It’s tough – Morris has been in the scheme for over 2 years now, while Satele has had only a few months to try and figure it out. I don’t think its’ a problem with Satele physically – he’s perfectly suited for ZBS – it’s just been his acclimation to the offense.
Plus, as you may have noticed, Morris is our primary backup at both guard positions, so if anyone goes down Morris moves over and Satele goes back in at center.
Prevent John Marshall from running the prevent defense!
thanks
after losing grove and trading for satele i was almost sure he would be the starter. morris did a pretty good job against jamal williams on monday so as long as he continues to play well im all for it
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 19, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Cheifs fans
I think its funny how this is a raider post and wen I go write something about my team it gets over analized… JOEL you should finish reading before you go opening your mouth. I clearly state that my thoughts are my opinion, wait (opinion), did you read that part? Yeah im not tellin nobody to go bet their savings on my prediction, cuz once again its just my opinion. And I really dont care how many times you come on here and try to convince me how the cheifs are going to win, cuz they arent. And for all you russell haters, get off it…. Russell is improving game by game, he may not be a great qb yet but he has had to go through a lot of adversity. He is young he is talented and he will be everything the raiders need him to be. GO RAIDERS!!!
by SAVAGEMATT on Sep 19, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
i agree with everything you said. But
when you said this was just my opinion, you kinda just shut that down by saying “And I really dont care how many times you come on here and try to convince me how the cheifs are going to win, cuz they arent.”
just sounds like you’re making a statement, but if you’re not then my apologies.
by patriotguy on Sep 19, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chiefs 24, Raiders 14.
Why, when Joel is being more than civil, must you act like a godless douche monster? Take a cue from the other civil Raider fans.
Now…gently remove your tampon and try again. Have an amazing day.
by SupremeChief on Sep 19, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
ya because your response was sooo
much classier.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
That was a fair responce from him
One of the Raiders fans called him out, he has a right to respond.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Let me put it this way...
Would you allow a child to throw a tantrum in the middle of the grocery store over not getting candy? No, you’d admonish that sort of behavior. Think of my response as an e-whipping to a child throwing a tantrum.
by SupremeChief on Sep 19, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
admonish, though
not knock down the candy-bar stand, while screaming at the top of your lungs.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Thanks Matt
I Imagine we are poor guests Rec to tell us so :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 19, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Jevon Walker
I’m hoping this guy is the difference maker this week for the Raiders offense. Starting two rookie WRs, especially in a hostile environment, isn’t the ideal situation. This guy is a 1,000 yard per season receiver when healthy, I’m hoping for at least 50% of offensive plays.
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 19, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
He's a talent, for sure
But he’s started 12 games in the last two seasons and things like injury usually don’t get better with age (Walker will turn 30 in a couple weeks).
Three of the last four years he’s had less than seven starts so I would argue that’s more indicative of where his career is going than the two seasons in his career where he’s gotten over 1,000 receiving yards.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Watkins
I bet Watkins sees more time than Walker. Cable doesn’t seem to like Walker much and keeps saying that he’s not ready and can’t separate, while Walker says the exact opposite.
Just HIT somebody.
Walker looked bad in the fourth preseason game
He couldn’t even seperate from the Seachickens practice squad guys.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, Hit a WR
JR was horrible against the Chargers. If he put the ball on the money we should have won that game. Also, playing that prevent crap cost us the game. I have never believed in that crap. And where is the blitz. I thought we would at least blitz a little more this year. I hope we win @ Arrowhead. I say pound the ball. We got at least 3 running backs.
Yep
Easiest way for the Raiders to beat the Chiefs is the run game. As tough as it is for me to say it, if they do that then I see the Chiefs having a lot of trouble beating them.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Ty for being civil and actually discussing both teams strengths and weaknesses. Much more productive than sitting on yahoo and scrolling through all the Raider hate. GL tomorrow, it will be close like always!
by SbleedB on Sep 19, 2009 1:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good luck to you Silver and Black
IMO I might get hate back at AP but sports is for fun.
NOW gametime I will rip out your throats J/K
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 19, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry gotta give it to the raiders
the cheifs barely competed when the raiders were doin terrible last year
now we have a decent roster, we play with intensity like never before, and after last weeks loss the team was devastated. as long as they have anything to say about it, they DONT EVER wanna feel that again. that just means theyll bring even more heat than ever. last year the raiders screwed up big plays n lost one. now we obviously have discipline, consitency, 2 big playmakers on d line, 2 playmaking linebackers, 2 great corners, 2 average if not above average safeties and WAIT A SECOND!!!! THERE ARE TALKS THAT CHRIS MCALLISTER MIGHT SIGN WITH THE RAIDERS? OMFG UR IN TROUBLE…..
as for offense if JRuss can get some consistency goin, he has the weapons there and unless kc blitzes like crazy, he should have all day in the pocket. weapons like miller, murphy, dfad, bush, oneal, and walker. im sorry but the cheifs dont really have too many weapons or even people that should be able to compete…. it all hangs on jamarcus to keep drives alive and make smart throws
by S.D. Raider on Sep 19, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I really have to give you guys some warm compliments
I didn’t realize there were so many Raiders fans that were actually literate.
;-P
Chiefs roll. 'nuf said.
raiders 24 to 14
mcfadden and co. have a huge day and its the raiders running game that makes the difference
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 19, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
Nice to see another NY Giant/Raider fan on here...
I thought I was the only one. Week 5 is going to be great!
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by 5_Giant_Raider_Clipper_Laker_13 on Sep 19, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Morris was able to hold his own against him. Williams isn’t the force he used to be.
Just HIT somebody.
True but he was still good enough to be their starter
and they were counting on him. See above comment by me refferencing Chargers dude response when I asked him their back-up plans for Williams.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 19, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
SupremeCheif....
Your response was just ignorant.
godless douche monster,Now…gently remove your tampon and try again.
Thats all you have to say, and your complaining about me not being civil…. Your a freakin idiot, period. GO RAIDERS!!!
Way to take my response out of context. Of course, I shouldn't have expected anything less.
I said you were acting like a godless douche monster. How were you not? Joel has been nothing but civil in his debates. Just because you have your panties in a twist doesn’t mean you have to spoil a perfectly good debate with your whining. Man up.
by SupremeChief on Sep 19, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Furthermore, I believe the ancient saying "you reap what you sow" comes into play.
If you disrespect someone who has been nothing but professional, what makes you think you deserve ANY respect in return? I guess that makes you the ignorant one. Either that…or you’re completely naive.
For future reference, my blog name is not SupremeCheif. It’s SupremeChief. Again, thanks for playing—have a great evening.
by SupremeChief on Sep 19, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
See you in 9 hours! Patriot, idk how you like the pats and raiders at
1269. Posted by Lil bo Fri Sep 18 1:06am EDT Report Abuse
all i have to say is that im proud to be a raider fan once again…. all the suffering seems to have light at the end of the tunnel!
the same time, but ty for always defending the silver and black :)
by SbleedB on Sep 20, 2009 12:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you Chief fans for coming here and being civil
.After reading some of the posts on AP I didn’t think that was possible. Thanks for proving me wrong.
Did you even read all the posts...
Joel called me out quotin me and contridicted himself cuz he didnt finish reading my post, or even that quote that he called me out on… My response was civil… I told him dont open his mouth untill he finished reading…. Didnt seem to bother him, but you on the other hand just had to side bust. And you have posted how many more times about it trying to justify your first idiotic response, and you say im whining… Get of it man… GO RAIDERS!!!!
Let it go man
now you’re just posting. You’re not even replying to anyone.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Jamarcus YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
The worst QB ever! Over rated under qualified. Easy passes you can’t hit and your not a NFL quarteback and who knows if you ever will be
by Delta Neosporin on Sep 20, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
Jamarcus
Can somebody tell me why we still have him? … plain and simple GET RID OF HIM
by albertosandiego on Sep 20, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
Because he is...
Uber clutch! I mean if you can be that off for 56 minutes and then that on for the last 4 or so and for two weeks in a row- then you must be the most clutch man on the face of the planet. When someone like Peyton Manning leads a two minute drill it is not nearly as impressive, because he was good all game.
Russell goes from Ryan Leaf all game to John Elway in clutch time.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Sep 21, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we should play 1 quarter games and spot the other team 6 points!
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
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