Oakland Raiders / Chiefs Post Game Community Poll: JaMarcus Russell

That string of games is coming in two weeks. Oh, and the effen Donkeys are 2-0 and their defense is looking much improved. If JRuss, can’t make a quick turnaround, then the running game will never get off the ground and the defense, who has shown a lot of promise, will be too gassed to keep the Raiders in these challenging games. It’s becoming obvious that the Raiders don’t really need a guy that can throw the ball 70 yards. They need a guy that can get the ball into the playmakers’ hands (McFadden, Bush, Miller, Murphy) and let them do their jobs. Losing Gallery for a few weeks is definitely not going to help at all either. I was in full support of Russel coming into the season, but I am losing confidence. That last drive was aided by some Chiefs penalties, so JRuss didn’t do it all. Also that ball he threw into the back of the endzone would have been picked off if he were a little more accurate.

Bring in the back up qb.

no faith in him as a quarterback,has not improved and will not do so,,,,,should have kept jeff garcia.

JRuss, has options and time on the field. He cant see them. He cant execute a pass to an open reciever. You can’t coach accuracy.
This running game and defense is at championship caliber.
Our number 10 running game from last year has greatly improved.
The defense was on the field for close to 40 minutes gives up 10pts and we win the game. Any other starting QB in the league would look like a pro bowler.

ITT: People overreact over two games, despite the fact that while JaMarcus hasn’t played up to the apparent "standards’ that fans of a team that has lost for 6 years have, we were still competitive. Honestly, until he is inherently losing us games, just shut up.

Russell is still the 2nd youngest QB in the league, and playing at LSU was never utilized as a true QB because it wasn’t needed. The game started at 10 a.m. PST which means the team gets up at around 4 a.m. PST. Unless you have traveled a lot in your life you do not understand what traveling west to east really does to your time clock. It is interesting to me that the last two road games the Raiders won they won in the 4th quarter or about 1 p.m. PST, just about the time the guys are used to starting football games.
But I digress, no doubt Russell is overthrowing his receivers, and as one put it that is because he uses his arm and not good technique, that can be taught and corrected. I note that when Russell throws down the middle of the field his technique and results are much better, but he has a helluva time throwing outs, and simple screens. It seems to me that that should be a simple throw, and hopefully correctable.
Other than Miller, every receiver Russell has is new to him. We are starting two rookies, and the timing is off right now, but there is every reason to expect that as the season progresses, a feeling between the players will improve, and god knows we need Schilens who has no problem getting separation, he just runs through the DB’s and gets separation. It is far too early to write Russell off, it took Eli 4 years before he became acceptable, and he had two great veteran receivers. I note that the Raiders are trying long strikes, they just missed on 3 of them yesterday, soon enough a couple of them will hit and people will forget about the overthrown passes.

There is no excuse for a QB to overthrow a rb on a screen pass.Jamarcus has a ton of flaws.My question is ,Does he have the same accuracy issues in practice?It would be hard to believe that he not overthrowing open wr in practice .It seems pretty fair to say that jamarcus knows despite his performance on the field that the job is his .Also despite the fact that teams know we have to run to be effective its up to the coaches to expand our run packages.We need to spread the formations (4 wr formation wit zach miller in slot) to take away 8-9 man in the box.The defense will have to bring in xtra cb to account for xtra wr.this opens up running game.IT will be very difficult for us to run the ball out of a 2te 1 wr set when teams know thats our run package.The job of a coach is to scheme around your weaknesses.Its obvious jamarcus lacks in the passing game but that doesnt mean we have to run out of obvious run formations.STOP RUNNING THE BALL OUT OF FORMATIONS that are obvious run packages.MORE spread passing looks .the run the ball.KEEPs the defenses LB out of the box.

if jamarcus doesnt show a great deal of improvement this year its time to officialy label him as a bust. i always thought he was a bad pick, his junior year at lsu he was terrible, he looked as bad as he does now. he had a great team his senior year but he should never of been a number 1 overall pick. I think if he doesnt show something great this season then thats it we need to draft a qb since its going to be a deep qb draft next year. I dont see this happening however Al Davis is pretty old and i dont think he wants to wait around for another rookie qb to develop he wants to win now, so he will probably go out and get us a veteran aging qb, someone like kurt warner, so we can win a few games next season.

what is the point of that?? ok is he a better more reliable qb then russel of course he is. but why would we start someone who will never be our long term guy just so we can win 2 or 3 more games this season? doesnt make any sense weve already invested so much time and money into russel it would be rediculous to start gradkowski just to get a few more W’s, its not like were winning the super bowl this season.

The Raiders may win more games than in the past six seasons (not very hard to do, BTW), but it won’t be because Russell led them… The Raiders should be 2-0 right now instead of 1-1, and the KC game shouldn’t have been this close. If we had even a DECENT QB, we would have won the SD game. The D played great, the running game was great, but Russell SUCKED. Yes, he had one good drive at the end, but if he had played average NFL-caliber football for the entire game, it wouldn’t have been close enough for SD to even come back and win. And as for KC… great, he had a 4/7 completion % on the game winning drive (still not great), but again, the rest of the game was so awful, and as bad as KC was playing, this game shouldn’t have even been close. How, after all this time, you can view Russell as anything but a bust, is beyond me. I, like many of you, have been a fan for many, many years and have suffered through these past 7 or so years and the horrible draft picks… when is it going to end?!? I suppose the writer still thinks Heyward-Bey was a great pick also?!?!

One of JRussels better attributes is being a team player when it comes to plays that do not depend on his arm offensively such as some of the reverse plays or his pitches to his backs and aids in blocks. I was surprised though that the Raiders did not pound the ball at KC like they did to SD with their backs to have an easier range for Russel to pass on second and third downs when a first down is between 4 to 6 yards and not have to chuck it with his inconsistent long range accuracy. Will he get better? Only if the whole team does, one player does not make the team if the last few players like Hall and Moss are of any lesson to anyone. Richard Seymour may be the big name in their defense but it means nothing if Huff is not there or McFadden cannot be relevant without Bush and Heyward-Bay would have been an early bust if Murphy is not there to get the important yards. It has been said many times how football is a team sport and history has shown that any team that may not look pretty on its individual levels but as a whole can be a contender.

we pay for tix, the parking, booze, game shirt, etc. we have a right to say pretty much anything that’s on our mind. we have the right to change opinion on a dime. we’re fans, that what we do. Ok to fully disagree. Way too early to call JR a bust, overachiever, underachiever, need much more time to judge. Early in the game, he’s too hyped up. He presses and over compensates. too low than too high. It’s fixable. it’s not like you forget how to throw. Let’s assume that it’s his second year (hold out, etc first year). If you look at the star QBs – Mannings, Elway, Aikman. They were horrible their first 2 years but they had mental toughness that you can’t teach. Some other QBs can step into a team and roll with great running game or great defence to get you the right field position – Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Matt Ryan, Flaco. JR will get there. Maybe not Elway/Aikman but he is a gamer who believes in himself. He’s a young, raw Raider. He’ll get there. It will create anxiety, pain watching, and frustration. It’s about winning. He’s our QB who needs protection, guidance, and comfort in his receivers. As long as he believes in himself, I’ll believe in him. He has that toughness.

What’s up, my Raider Nation brothers!

JR is really frustrating to watch but I think we should wait. Chaz has become his favorite WR, so until he is back healthy and playing, we won’t really get to see what this new JR/Chaz combination can do. I’m expecting them to be a formidable duo, which will only allow Murphy, Miller and DH-B to get open more easily.
Also, keep in mind that after all that internal turmoil last season, it’s hard for a young, inexperience QB to gain stability. However, he did show significant improvement at the end of last season and while his numbers still look well below average thus far this season (hell, that should’ve been two TDs to Murphy against SD last Monday), he has shown the ability to make plays and drive his team to victory. That, in itself, merits some accolades and he deserves to remain our starting QB. We’ve got Cable “running” the show at the moment, and he’s shown that he can coach and get the most out of his players. His players have shown more motivation this year than they have in recent years, so let’s give this some more time, guys. I think with some stability, and time with players like Chaz, Murphy, Miller, DH-B, McFadden, JR will improve his play. Damn, we have SO many weapons, along with a good defense, it’s hard not to succeed…and if JR does fail, it’s going to be one ugly faceplant.

GO RAIDERS!

Having some debate over a terrible QB doesn’t make you less of fan. It makes you a better one. My loyalty lies in the TEAM, not JRuss.

We haven’t seen JRuss for two games We have seen his terrible play for a lot longer including pre-season. This guy isn’t smart and can’t hit the side of a barn. He’s just not good and after years of this crap, I’m just over it.

Raiders have to cut their losses. The longer we wait the more of a loss we take. I hope the team has the patience to stick w/ this guy and not give up on the Raiders like they have the last 6 years. We have something good, just missing one part and I wouldn’t sacrifice the team on one guy.

when i see that, i see progress.

The trouble with JaMarcus issues are the result of bad fundamentals of quarterback coaching. Defenses car read JM eyes because he looks in the direction where he’s going to throw the ball. He needs to look away, then make a quick decision and deliver the ball sharply at his receiver. He needs to practice throwing short and hitting his receivers over and over and again. I’m sorry but their is no excuse for this, he needs to practice his fundametals. Common QB coaches we need big improvement , JaMarcus needs your help.

He has no vision. He can’t anticipate and even simple passes are generally over/under thrown/almost intercepted/ or thrown to where the guy was. His completed passes this season are not especially impressive. He’s slow to react, can’t hold on to the ball, throws to many interceptions, and is not a leader. Granted, the team lets him down at times with drop passes or constant penalties, our weak link is the QB. the Defense is doing well, especially considering they are always on the field.

We need to put in Gladowski or fry. Perferabally Gladowski. We can argue Jeff Garcia would of easily finished of the game againts San Diego and blown up Kansas.

We suffer at the most important position. With no real deep threat, our running game is going to be crap. Lets get in a QB with a higher rating then 30 whatever percent he has.

I may not like him for our team, but i don’t mean to demean the man. lol

that JRuss reminds him of John Elway. Well he’s got the last quarter drives part of it going for himself so far…

All you JRuss haters don’t seem to have watched our last 18 games to closely. We actually would have won the division last year if the defense did not suck so bad. How is a young guy like Russel supposed to overcome 20,30,40 points being scored against us. The times that the kid did get the lead in the final minutes or in the fourth quarter, the D could not hold it. It happened again this year in the SD game. That loss is totally on the D. No way SD should have driven 85 yards in 2:35 seconds. What the hell do you think Russel was thinking after watching that one. It must be really discouraging for him but he is taking it all in stride. Not once has he badmouthed the organization. This kid will be great. No doubt. But not until his supporting cast steps up.

at least from me. To you haters, we won the game on the road in a tough stadium on a short week with young skilled players. Hello! You want additional points for style? The Titans are 0-2, SD picked by experts to go to the SB looks very vunerable, Pats lost at home to an arch rival who trashed talk all summer, Philly is in disarray with 4 QBs and quit in the second half against NO. KC ran extremely well against us but Matt Cassel with his 2 picks and time mismanagement at the end of the 1st half lost the game for them. No whining allowed after a victory, Ws are hard to come by. 8-8 as a development year with an outside shot at playoff is still achievable. Ponies are playing with an edge, something to prove. It will be a tough game. Can not get behind early, we must establish the run and control the clock. Everything else will fall in place. With a running game, plays delivered to him early (it’s taking too long from the sideline, he can’t adjust, he’s rushing the get the play off), JR will be fine.

take randy mos away from tom brady a couple of eyars ago. take steve smith away from jake delhomme, and he’s not even a starter. take greg jennings from aaron rodgers.

chaz schilens not being on the raiders is hurting russell. not to say schilens is as good as any of the guys i mentioned, but the fact of the matter is, taking your qb’s #1 receiver away always spells bad news. in addition, its not like the other receivers they have are that competent either. louis murphy looks like he will be pretty good, but realisticallyk speaking, starting 2 rookies at wideout is not a good idea. they say wide receivers generally catch on in their THIRD year. we are starting 2 rookies. our only receiving threat right now is our tight end, and the chiefs showed that we struggle when he is doubled.

the chargers didnt double him, so russell, though bad, was not as horrible as he was against the chiefs. the chiefs stack the box, man up on our receivers, and double up on miller. if chaz schilens was playing, they couldn’t simply man up. they say heyward bey is a phyiscal phenom, but schilens is probably more physically gifted. he is 6’4 which is very tall for a receiver, but has sub 4.4 speed. he runs more polished routes than any other receiver on our team, and i have yet to see him drop a pass.

lasat year he made a great catch downfield in traffic against the ravens, and he broke tackles on that play and on a nice 27 yard catch and run against the texans last year. this year in the preaseason he had 5 catches for 52 yards in 1 quarter of play.

schilens, in my opinion, has more potential than any receiver on our team, and is currently the best we have. once he comes back, defenses will have to adjust. russell is unfamiliar with bey and murphy. he doesn’t have that chemistry yet, just like he and schilens didnt accomplish much of anything early on last year. however, as time went by he and schilens developed great chemistry, and schilens was the best player in training camp.

once he gets back i expect russell to rebound. he wont be a matt ryan yet, but have faith.

denver is an easy opponent we should be able to beat even with a struggling offense, as their 2 wins came with
a) miracle touchdown against the not so horrible bengals
b) a win over cleveland, arguably the worst team in the league

once we beat denver, schilens might return week 4 against houston, who he destroyed last year

We’ve been called haters and non-believers but take a good hard unbiased look and you have to say that the team has improved in every aspect except one…QB. I’ve heard the arguments about him being young and just give him time to develop but this is year 3 and not only does it seem like he’s not improving but he actually seems to be getting worse, if thats possible. The part that everyone seems to avoid is that he isn’t playing against great defensive teams, KC lost that game, we didn’t win, if we play any other team and our QB goes 7-24 for 42 yards we lose big, and I know he’s young but it’s his 3rd year and it’s still the same thing, Garcia was let go so the fans wouldn’t be screaming to put him in everytime Russell begins to implode, because eventually he would end up starting so get rid of him before it becomes an issue. Next week will open everyones eyes when a mediocre QB like Kyle Orten has 150 yards passing and they end up winning by 24 pts. Take a hit now and start looking for a QB to draft next year.

I think its way too early to tell about JRuss throwing the ball… for one thing he hasn’t had quality receivers that didn’t strike fear in a defensive secondary… plus from what i seen on monday night i liked his delivery and poise against SD… i’m east coast so i don’t get to watch much it looked like the ball just jumped out a little too early on most his throws… other than that he looked like a good game manager and came up clutch in several situations… may not scream elite qb… he does need work on accuracy but otherwise…..

j-russ has a long way to go. it’s just the accuracy, and that’s it. accuracy can be taught and it can be obtained by playing more games and getting to know your WR’s and their abilities, and use those abilities to your advantage to make better throws. i think he’ll come together around wk 8 or 10. when it matters he’ll come through.

bottom line is Russell is not a serious football player. he is not smart enough to be NFL QB, and is too dumb to even get into quick game playing shape. But the Raiders dont have to put up with this BS. Cut his ass and move on, there are several players around who could help this promising team, watch when the defense breaks down due to being on the field too long, then it gets really fun, when the other teams controls the game late because D is worn out because if this dumbass. The coaches are even dmbr for allowing this, unless Al give them no choice. But wait he can throw the ball 70 yards on his knee.
BFD- WTF is that good for? when you cannot hit the back on a dump off to get first down. And this does not get better because he does nt have the work ethic either>

Let me puul a Joe Biden… ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Who made the comment about JR have to play an early game which through him off because travelling west to east is tough? Didn’t seem that way for the Defense. Didn’t seem that way for other QB’s in the history of the NFL. Look if you guys want to support a QB that can’t pass for over 40%, go for it. I thought this guy would be great. He’s not. I doubt he will be. Maybe he can improve to a 50% passer. Yes, lets all wait for that.

Basically he will figure out what he does right when he makes a good throw and do that on a continual basis or he will not figure that out and be a bust. Depending on the temperment and patience of Al this season he will have either the rest of the season or a few more games to show what he can do. In my opinion you nevr can tell with a qb. I’ve seen some qb’s who at one time in their career I would have sworn they were the worst qb ever develop into great qb’s. I remember once upon the time when Gannon was on the Chiefs when I would thank the Gods when they were forced to put him in because I knew he would come in and suck big time. He turned out pretty good. Hell, I remember thinking Nnamdi was the biggest bust ever cause he sucked big time his first couple of years and couldn’t catch a cold. He also turned out pretty good. Thus I say give it time and we shall see, too bad our winning our division is dependent on whether he figures it out.

Is it me or is the author of the poll afraid to show JR in bad light. ALL, PLEASE, look at the last two questions in the poll results. They are one in the same. Plus, if you look at the results, you"ll see that almost 40% of the vote are against JR. I give him this season. If his numbers do not improve over last year, he should go and he should go down hard. Poorly written poll by the way!