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The running back dilemma continues. Roster trimming day is tomorrow and the Raiders have needs in other areas. The area where they don't have needs is overflowing with talent. Both Rankin and G. Russell showed their wares last night for a roster spot and neither one of these promising young backs will clear waivers.

Should the Raiders find a way to keep both Rankin and Russell, even at the expense of another position? I believe that Rankin and Russell are both too young and too talented to cut and that they will remain on the 53. The Raiders can risk releasing both Lawton and Reece of which one or both should clear waivers and then can be signed to the practice squad. There is always the possible but unlikely trade of Fargas which would be the best solution.

This was polled a few weeks ago, but the the situation has not cleared itself up due to the impressive play of Rankin and Russell. Additionally, Fargas didn't play last night because of injury and you know that Fargas will not make it through a 16 game schedule without injury. Durable depth is needed. What does the Community think now?


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After last nights game, should the Raiders keep both Louis Rankin and Gary Russell on their 53 man roster?
Yes
255 votes
No
104 votes
Just keep one of them, we have other bigger needs
619 votes
Other
16 votes

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yes we should keep both

we should, but we won’t. Davis is too devoted to Fargas to see that Rankin is actually a superior back. Russell will stay since he can play HB and FB, with fullback being his primary position. Rankin is a far better running back at this point than Fargas and Russell is also got an edge on Fargas.

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 4, 2009 4:02 AM PDT reply actions  

I completely agree

That’s why I stated that the Raiders should “risk” a waiver claim on Lawton and Reece and tuck one of them a way on the practice squad. Cable has said previously that the Raiders would keep 6 running backs, 3 FB and 3 HB, well, I think the play of Rankin requires that they keep him on the roster for the inevitable Fargas injury. If O’Neal or Russell get injured then they can activate Lawton or Reece from the practice squad.

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by TheRaiderWay on Sep 4, 2009 4:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

based on what though?

Fargas has barely played this preseason, but all of rankin’s success has come against second/3rd string defenses.

we all know who has the better track record.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Sep 4, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Raiders organization...

…is just too committed to Fargas. He’s a favorite of both Davis and Cable. Honestly, I can see why. I’m not gonna run him down. I love his heart and his grit and his character.

That being said, a cold-blooded calculus has to come into these kinds of things and the fact is that Rankin is younger and healthier and Russell is more versatile. Still, Fargas is too good a player to just release.

Cornell Green is a liability. There are some teams who are really really really thin at running back: the Jaguars, Bengals and Browns all come to mind. In a perfect world, the Raiders would be on the phone with Jacksonville offering, say, Fargas and a 4th round pick for Tony Pashos. But the organization seems strangely blind to Green’s ineptitude.

by Raybin on Sep 4, 2009 6:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Cornell Green

As much as is being discussed about the defensive tackle position, right tackle is the weakest position on the team as long as Cornell Green is starting. The Raiders are going to have to force Khalif Barnes to play RT when he returns, or they are going to have to look outside the organization to find a starting right tackle. Green is just brutal.

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by TheRaiderWay on Sep 4, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Pashos

Pashos lost his starting job and could end up getting cut tomorrow; no need to trade Fargas for him. I’m sure the Raiders will be combing the waiver wire for better options before Opening Night.

Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft

by LiveAdam on Sep 4, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did he?

Well I guess I shouldn’t be shocked since they drafted both Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton.

I’ll be watching the waiver wires tomorrow very very closely for OT. Forget DT.

by Raybin on Sep 4, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

KINDA LATE??

This team never addressed their needs in the off-season…( What else is new) They have all these running backs, and their mind-set is who do we keep and who do we let go… They have so many other needs out there.. Like, DEFENSIVE LINE, like, OFFENSIVE LINE… I cant believe this organization is so ignorant.. Its plain and simple… you build your foundation with your offensive and defensive line people.. Good running backs are useless without a solid line in front of them.. And if you cant stop the run in this league, forget it!! They really dont have a clue how to build a sucessful football team.. I feel sorry for guys like McFADDEN, NNAMDI.. Eventually they will get tired of getting their butts kicked week in and week out, and want to leave… The past history tells that…I feel sorry for true RAIDER fans…Its been a long run of losing and will continue, until Mr. Davis changes his ways…….

by tsal44 on Sep 4, 2009 7:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Time to dump Fargas

Rankin and Russell are certainly better than the oft-injured fargas and it’s time to make a move. As long as they retain him he will get reps which means time lost for Bush and Mfd. It looks like Davis may have clung to Fargas too long to get any trade value for him. I’d be surprised if they could get even a 5th for him at this point.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see S.Williams, Huff and Bowie kept as well. Al seems to like retaining these types, perhaps to prove he wasn’t wrong for drafting them so high.

With the final cut looming we should be able to pick up a dozen or so players for the D and O-line, and maybe at least bring the Run D up to a level of mediocrity . :)

by lurker88 on Sep 4, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Working Toward The 53-Man Roster: RB/FB

This topic was to be my last in the 53-man roster preview, but it would be redundant to post it separately, so I’ll put in my 2 cents here:

RaiderWay, did you ever find the article where Cable said the Raiders would keep 6 running backs? The Raiders have kept 5 backs for the past few years, so it will be interesting to see what actually happens tomorrow.

Obviously McFadden, Bush, and O’Neal have their roster spots sewn up, and all three will be an integral part of the team this year and in the future. The real question is what to do with the other 2-3 spots.

Justin Fargas: Oh how the mighty have fallen. Fargas was the hero of this team just two years ago, and now most people are calling for his ouster. Personally I don’t see it happening – in fact, I’d wager that Fargas is the one named as the starter against the Chargers in two weeks, simply out of respect. Fargas’ role is certainly changing though, as the more dynamic McFadden and Bush take away a majority of his snaps. Still, look for Fargas to pound away at opposing defenses early in the game to provide better opportunities for our young playmakers. Keeping Fargas’ workload down should also keep him a bit healthier through the season. This will be Fargas’ last year in a Raiders uniform.

Louis Rankin: The Raiders always seem to bring in a young RB that destroys opposing defenses’ scrubs and gets all the fans hooting and hollering for his addition to the final roster. Like Adimchinobe Echemandu before him, Louis Rankin has performed admirably the past two preseasons and many have called for Rankin to replace Fargas on the team. If the Raiders actually keep 6 backs it may be possible, but even then he wouldn’t dress all that often, so what would be the difference? Rankin is still practice squad eligible, and probably needs to stay there one more year before trying to replace Fargas.

Gary Russell: I’ve been told that Gary Russell can play fullback, which is funny because I didn’t see him do it even once in 4 preseason games. Russell has, however, played well in his limited RB time and on special teams, so if he actually can be a West-Coast type fullback he’ll push Marcel Reece for that 2nd fullback spot. Having played in 15 NFL games over the past two seasons, Russell is not eligible for the practice squad, so this could influence the decision for the Raiders, as Rankin and Reece are still eligible for the practice squad.

Marcel Reece: Marcel Reece is a pretty prototypical Raiders player – an athletic freak. After playing WR at U of Washington, Lane Kiffin brought in Reece to be a pet project to turn him into a West-Coast fullback capable of catching the ball out of the backfield and running with it. It will be interesting to see if the Raiders choose Reece or Russell for this role. Reece is a bit bigger and may be able to handle the blocking duties better, but as I said above, Reece is still eligible for the practice squad where Russell is not.

Luke Lawton: A throw-away at this point. Lawton doesn’t excel at either blocking or receiving, and with better options in front of him, he’ll be packing up his locker tomorrow.

Projected Roster (5 Spots): McFadden, Bush, Fargas, O’Neal, (Reece or Russell)

Projected Roster
(6 Spots): McFadden, Bush, Fargas, O’Neal, Reece, Russell

Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft

by LiveAdam on Sep 4, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Your synopsis would work if

Louis Rankin could actually be stashed on the practice squad one more time. I think he has played too well to get through waivers again and the Raiders will not have a chance to resign him.

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by TheRaiderWay on Sep 4, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

keeping Fargas...

…may mean losing Rankin if they try to sneak him through waivers. There are probably a few GMs in this league with higher ’talent assessment" IQs than Al (joke) and Rankin has had excellent pre-seasons. Someone will see this and take a chance. Fargas, in spite of his fan following, is by far the least talented RB of the group Bush, McFadden, Rankin, Russell, Fargas. Keeping him over Russell or Rankin would only be out of loyalty or very poor talent assessment. As mentioned though, I could also see them keeping him and Cable stupidly starting him over the other two vs SD.

by lurker88 on Sep 4, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The bitter taste lingers

Until we can acknowledge our needs (offensive line, defensive line) and address them appropriately; forget it. Keeping (well liked) Fargas is a liability because Rankin and G. Russell possess winning ways and abilities (something our team needs a lot more of.) In the past, Al has been known to get stuck on the potential of ‘sorry-asses,’ especially at quarterback; now that tendency is suspiciously more apparent in a variety of areas …i.e. defensive schemes, defensive line, offensive line, runing back. Still, there is an abundance of talent in areas other than where it is most needed, and the situation has been such, too long; that does not provide for a sweeter palate.

by Realtooreal on Sep 4, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting thing about Rankin

He suffered some kind of leg injury last night apparently. Not very serious, but it could make an interesting maneuver possible: Put him on IR for the year before tomorrow night.

by Raybin on Sep 4, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

...

or put him on PUP and trade Fargas when he is ready to return.

by lurker88 on Sep 4, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

PUP doesn't work like that

Rankin is not eligible for the Reserve PUP list because he was healthy and participated in training camp. The only players eligible for the Reserve PUP list are those who were on the Active PUP list during training camp. Javon Walker is the only player who could even have been put on the PUP list, but obviously he was activated.

Just another example of how the NFL needs to change their roster rules. MLB and NHL have it right.

Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft

by LiveAdam on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t sure how PUP worked. Thanks for the clarification.

by lurker88 on Sep 4, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

He'd still have to clear waivers

Players still have to clear waivers before being put in injured reserve. If there was an indication that Rankin’s ankle injury wasn’t serious he’d probably get claimed.

Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft

by LiveAdam on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now we can trade Bush for a DT:

McFadden, Rankin, Fargas and Russell would work out quite well.

Rankin has shown tuime and again that he can perform in the same role as Michael Bush.

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 4, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Lets be honest

Fargas is on his last legs, was never great anyway. Bush has the potential to be dynamic, big, strong, fast and elusive, he can even break tackles, something Fargas cannot do. We all know that by the 4th week Fargas will be hurt anyway. I know Al loves Fargas as he should, Fargas has been a warrior on a very bad team, a true Raider but simply stated, there are 3 other backs better than Fargas. It is a sad but true commentary on the NFL that good guys have to be cut for the betterment of the team.

by Laoren on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have to Agree with Laoren

Why get rid of Bush when Fargas is done either now or at the end of this year? Bush, not Rankin or Russell, is the one who will take over Fargas’ role on this team of being a power runner and softening defenses for McFadden.

Bush has proven himself against first team defenses; Rankin has proved himself against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft

by LiveAdam on Sep 4, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keeping five running backs is pretty asinine.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Let Me Make This Simple

Yes Fargas is and has been a raider forever but he is getting old… trade him… keep Rankin for sure… and maybe Russell if you let go of the other fullbacks and keep him as the back up fullback for O’Neal…

by ButtMunch on Sep 4, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I would trade the guy with the most value between Fargas, Rankin and Russell.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Justin Fargas must go

I would have traded Fargas last season. He fumbled away the home game vs. KC, and he can’t get you 2 yards in the red zone! Move on, Al. McFadden, Bush, and Rankin are the real deal. Trade Justin Fargas, and get a ferocious linebacker for him.

by Jraider on Sep 5, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions  

so wait...

justin fargas sucks, but we could trade him for a ferocious linebacker?

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Sep 5, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is time for Fargas to be traded or released

He was great for the Raiders, great player and attitude however, we need to win and Rankin is a better back than he is now at this point in his career. Is there any doubt he will be injured, seriously. You all know Fargas is going to get hurt even coming off the bench. Time for the youngsters, good thing is Fargas is good enough to get picked up, so his career is not over, but with the Raiders it should be.

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 5, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

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