Confirmed: Raiders acquire Richard Seymour (and a poll!)(7th and final update)
by Raybin on Sep 6, 2009 7:53 AM PDT
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Quite the bit of news to wake up to: Adam Schefter is reporting the following on his Twitter: "Richard Seymour traded to Oakland for Raiders 2011 first-round pick." Wow. Nothing on ESPN.com or Profootballtalk.com yet, but Schefter's sources are usually solid. I guess they were concerned about the D-Line but went in a direction none of us could have imagined. I'll have more thoughts in a bit, I just want to get this up now.
UPDATE: ESPN.com has an official link to the story up now, so it's not just being informally reported on Schefter's Twitter. It's more of a stub while more information trickles in, but here you go: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450767
UPDATE #2 Pro Football Talk has a link up to the story now: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/06/report-pats-shipping-richard-seymour-to-oakland/ It's just based on Schefter's reports, but as the story starts to spread and no denials are issued by the Raiders or Patriots, it's looking like we can bank on this as a correct report.
UPDATE #3: Well, it's no question this deal gives us a pair of fearsome veteran defensive linemen. Greg Ellis and Seymour coming off the edges could very well make life hell for opposing quarterbacks. Then too, there's no question Seymour can hold the edge better against the run than either Trevor Scott or Jay Richardson. I'm surprised and pleased that Al Davis, despite Scott being a pet project of his, was able to see that and do something about it.
The question is: Does this spell the end for Scott or Richardson?
Richard Seymour is an awesome player. No two ways about it. This is a HUGE upgrade for our defensive line.
That's the good. Now on to the bad:
A first round draft pick for someone who will be 30 before the season ends? Uggghhh. The fact that it's the 2011 first rounder raises an intriguing question: Do the Raiders feel that their fortunes will very much improve over the course of the next two seasons and the pick will thus be a late-first rounder? Then too, Seymour has a history of injury, though he was healthy last season. Something to keep an eye on though.
Also, Seymour played in a 3 -4 and we play a 4-3. How tough will the transistion be to manage for him, especially since he will only get one week of practice to get in the groove with the team before the Monday night debut?
The big factor is this: I believe Seymour's contract is up at the end of this year. Giving up a first rounder means that the Raiders absolutely MUST sign him to an extension of several years or this trade is frankly a disaster, no matter how well Seymour plays this year. Giving up a first round pick for a one-year rental player is an indefensible move, especially since it's not like the Raiders are a team who are just a piece or two away from a Super Bowl title. We're still very much a work in progress....to say the least.
UPDATE #4: The Patriots' official Twitter page has the story up. Nothing but on the Raiders' yet, as if that shocks anyone :-)
UPDATE #5: I see some speculation that Seymour was brought in to play DT since he played DT in a 4-3 scheme in college. If that's the case, it's a terrible idea. Seymour is listed at 6'6", 310 lbs. which would basically give us yet another UT. If he was going to play DT, he'd be displacing Gerard Warren....who is the closest thing we have to an actual NT. Until I hear otherwise, I'm going to think that he'll be supplanting Scott as starting DE. If he's replacing Warren at DT, I'll be tremendously annoyed.
UPDATE #6: Great discussion going on! As usual, I think LiveAdam has it right. Kelly, Ellis, Warren and Seymour should all be out there at the same time. Since Seymour is big for a 4-3 defensive end, putting him on the left side lets him handle the big right tackles and frees Ellis to go for the quarterback more often. Then on passing situations, Warren can come out, Seymour can slide inside and Scott can come in as situational rusher. Richardson and Shaughnessy are abundantly competent to spell the starters when rest is needed. With Bryant's positional versatility and huge upside, we may have seen the end of William Joseph's tenure with the Raiders. But who knows at this point?
As an aside--I don't know if this is true--but I did read that the criteria the teams use for judging trades and draft picks counts a 1st round pick two drafts away as equal to the next draft's 2nd round pick
UPDATE #7: The Raider organization has yet to officially confirm or announce the trade. Speculation is that the want to finish negotiating an extension with Seymour before doing so. Here's hoping it happens later today! This will probably be my final update unless something else big happens.
Overall, I'm pleased. Remember the Vikings gave up a 1st and two 3rd round picks to get Jared Allen. I know Allen is younger and worth more than Seymour, but I'm starting to think less and less that the Raiders might've gotten outright fleeced.
It all comes down to the extension and Seymour's motivation/desire....we shall see.
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The Patriots are going to get the number one pick in the draft in 2011?!!
The rich get richer…….
by Bacon on Sep 6, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed,the patriots are getting younger and maybe better,thanks in part to Al Davis....greeeaaaat.
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by Gorditoe1 on Sep 7, 2009 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard Seymour
Good Cable! Smart
probably for nothing too. We still can make moves though
Fargus or Rankin can move too, If needed!
I wonder if the next step will be trying to get a LB or a better DE.
but i wouldnt be ashamed if we got another lock em CB. O’neal anybody?
by Black_lion474 on Sep 6, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seymour is a DE
so we basically got Greg Ellis on 1 side and Richard Seymour on another side. I feel confident with the addition of Seymour to our D-Line
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by Jagjivan on Sep 6, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!
Signing a 30 year old Seymour to an extension is gonna hurt Al’s pocketbook. This looks like another one of those one-sided trades in favor of the Pats. Randy Moss all over. I hope there is more to this trade than us giving up a firstn rounder. I would’ve loved to have Wilfork instead.
by Raider76 on Sep 6, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what possible reason
a guy like Seymour that has been on the most succesful and well run organization in the NFL could possibly have for signing an extension with the worst.
Getting traded to the Raiders wasn’t his choice, staying there past his current contract will be.
That’s what makes this deal such a joke. He will be gone in free agency by the time you’re paying off your 2011 pick!
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by ChiefDJ on Sep 6, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already has the money too!
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by ChiefDJ on Sep 6, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they'll sign him next year.
they better.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders would pay him more
than what the Pats are willing to pay. Remember they have Brady’s and Wilforks contract to deal with.
by Raider76 on Sep 6, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...do you actually have a source for anything
or r u just pullin shit outta your asshole?
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 6, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SERIOUSLY?!?!
I really don’t believe as a Chiefs fan you have any room to call any franchise worst run. In recent history you’ve had the same or a worst record the past two years.
We’ve had a rough patch (for about the past 6yrs), but the last time the Chiefs were in the Superbowl was 1970. Before you go throwing around criticism or making funnies at someone elses expense, whatever you were doing there. I would like to suggest you stop look and listen to the state of your own franchise.
by drew2276 on Sep 6, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good trade for the Pats
That pick will most likely be a top 15 pick.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Sep 6, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There....
That pick will most likely be a top153 pick.
I corrected that for ya…
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
A first?? A second I can understand, but not a 1st. He is a solid player, but his age is very questionable.
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by Rayder K on Sep 6, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Raiders
Good choice
this is a one year thing with the lock-out appoaching in 2011, we might as well go for the division now.
i bet theres more to this coming soon. Our d-line is better noW
lets ride or die!!!!!!
Go Raiders
by Black_lion474 on Sep 6, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Richard Seymour of the early 2000's = STUD
Richard Seymour of the late 2000’s = In Decline.
Oh well…
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 6, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he just broke his sack record last year from 6 sacks to 8 sacks.
this guy might not perform as well on the raiders, but he’ll certainly perform at a high caliber.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant tied his record
he tied the 2003 sack record.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I know
I don’t understand why he didn’t make the Pro-Bowl. Don’t Worry about age, Seymour WILL perform at a high caliber
Nnamdi Asomugha for 2010 Pro Bowl!!!
by Jagjivan on Sep 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still produced well last season and
Richard Seymour of the late 2000’s > Any d-linemen Raiders or Broncos have
by Raider76 on Sep 6, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't it seem a little strange that we can only trade with the Patriots
Does Billicheck have some kind of mind control over Al Davis, that gets them to keep getting over. How do we know this guy wants to play for the Raiders any more than Burgess did?
My scorecard looks like this:
Burgess & 2011 1st round pick for Seymore, 3rd rd pick, and Broncos 5th round pick. I don’t know too many that would make that trade.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Sep 6, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the pats organization is smart
they know the raiders need a DL/DT, and seymor IS the perfect DE/DT for any team. so why not trade him to the raiders for another draft pick? te raider give us burgess, we give them SEYMOR!
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOUR WELCOME! YOUUR WELCOME! YOUR WELCOME!
this guy is a superior run stopper, and a great pass rusher. he helped us win 3 superbowl titles and has a great winning attitude! i’m sad to see him go, but glad to see him go to DA RAIDERS!
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
he can also play DT. that was the postition he was first listed as when we drafted him.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seymour
A first i think we over paid maybe we should have sent the pick we got form burguss back to them and a 2nd in 2011 but i what to know what position seymour going to play now DE or DT i know he play DT in a 4-3 when he came into the NFL i hope we can stop the run now and resign him.
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 6, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i kinda knew we would trade seymor eventually
we need to sign wilfork. not to mention i somehow can see seymor in a raiders uniform. i always picked up seymor for the raiders in madden 09.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid
Trading #1’s for 30 year-old’s has never brought a championship to a team. My Cowboys are proof of that.
The Raiders were not one player away. The draft is the single best building block for the future and Seymour doesn’t have that much future left.
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by 5Blings on Sep 6, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you're wrong
30 is still young in my book, and he is healthy. he had his best year last year, and he has 3 championships with us. he has a good 3-4 years left in him, and he’ll definitely help the raiders to some wins. they heeded a great DE or DT, and they got a GREAT DE/DT hybrid with seymour.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going for it all this season?
This is the kind of trade that occurs when a team is trying to plug in that one piece that puts them over the top, and is willing to give up potential future success in exchange for present glory. Does that really sound like the Raiders to you? The AFC West might be pretty weak this year, but are the Raiders really Richard Seymour away from being AFC West Champions?
If the Raiders are really going for it all this season there are several more moves they need to make before we can seriously be considered a threat to the Chargers, especially with the difficult schedule this season.
The only way this trade makes sense is that Al Davis knows more about the impending CBA issues and potential work-stoppage in 2011 that could de-value a 2011 draft pick
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping your last sentence....
…is the case.
If Davis really thinks this team is just a piece or two away from being legit Super Bowl contenders, he’s just as crazy as everyone paints him.
I still think it all comes down to signing Seymour to a 4 or 5 year extension. I have no doubt he’ll be productive. I actually worry about his health more than his age.
by Raybin on Sep 6, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was healthy last year, and played a full season(except for the cardinals game i think).
but otherwise, i haven’t read any reports regarding his health this year. he should be 100% ready to go!
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seymour has started 105 games in his career out of 111.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Sep 6, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is good
But, I don’t like giving up a 1st round for him.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
by nishal26 on Sep 6, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good Move
We can probably trade for a late first rounder in 2011. Huff and Fargas for one?
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Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Sep 6, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're Dreaming
Both of those guys are candidates to be released by the Raiders before the start of the 2010 season.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone is willing to trade their first-round pick in 2011 for Fargas and Huff right now.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on how high the pick is
I’m not saying a top 20 1st rounder, maybe like the 25th or something like that, maybe throw in someone to make it work.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Sep 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure anyone's willing to trade
anything for either of those guys right now.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 6, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it true Shawne merriman choked tila tequila?
Haha I read a post on nationalfootballpost.com ..if it’s true I hope he’s suspended week 1
by warrior2thagrave on Sep 6, 2009 11:10 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It’s true. He choked a female.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roid Rage?
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Sep 6, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
the San Diego Super Chokers are they class act of the NFL first they get shot by cop now they beat on ladys haha he must have seen he porn tape of her licking some guy BUTT HOLE HAHA
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Their new name should be the San Diego Charges, cuz Of the charges filed on them haha.. Vincent Jackson(DUI in offseason) an now roid man!!! Who’s next? I bet it’s rivers picking up a hooker..
by warrior2thagrave on Sep 6, 2009 11:33 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I bet it’s rivers picking up a hooker..
HAHA
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 6, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does the DL look like with Seymour in it?
At 6’6" 310 pounds Richard Seymour has roughly the same stature as Tommy Kelly. Both Seymour and Kelly have played both DE and DT in 4-3 schemes, and its possible the Raiders will use that flexibility to their advantage. If I were Coach Cable, I think I would realign my defensive line to look like this:
RDE: Greg Ellis – Playing Ellis on the left side of the defensive line creates a liability against the run. Move Ellis to the other side so he can go against left tackles and have a fighting chance.
UT: Tommy Kelly – Kelly is probably more comfortable playing UT than Seymour, so he should stay here. Kelly will likely see fewer double teams with Seymour’s addition.
NT: Gerard Warren – Warren isn’t really a nose tackle, he’s just a really big 3-technique guy. Still, put in between Kelly and Seymour, Warren should be able to get more penetration against opposing OLs.
LDE: Richard Seymour – Putting Seymour at left defensive end allows him to take on the run-mauling RTs of the league, and can still apply a nice pass rush when needed. Seymour could also move inside to DT in nickel/dime packages to allow Trevor Scott to come on the field for more pass rush.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i say Seymour as the NT and richardson as the LDE
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 6, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
seymour is also a DT. and seymour and kelly will be DANGEROUS in the middle.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seymour is going to play tackle
Ends – Ellis and Scott
Tackles – Seymour and Kelly
Do you really think Al is giving up on his pet project… please!
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Sep 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no but scott suck against the run
i hope it jay richardson
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 6, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my take on a 4-3
the ends should specialize in pass rush, while the tackles should specialize in both run and pass rush(mostly run). if a RB gets to the outside, the LB’s should be able to get to the outside to make the tackle. but i may be wrong.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LB can't make the tackle if DE can't keep OL away from LB
Defensive ends need to be able to rush the passer, yes, but they must also be able to engage an offensive tackle against the run to keep the opposing OL away from the linebackers to allow them to make tackles. Trevor Scott has been mauled against the run, allowing opposing offensive lineman to get into the backfield and take on linebackers.
I wouldn’t take Gerard Warren off the field simply to put Richard Seymour on the field. I think all three of Kelly, Warren, and Seymour should be on the line.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
K
but do you really think seymour will be more productive in the 4-3 as an end? because he has the size, and strength to play DT, and in a 4-3, i thought he would be better suited for that.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Raiders are better with either Seymour or Kelly at DE
I don’t know if it will be Kelly or Seymour that transitions back to DE, but I don’t believe they should play next to each other. The run defense isn’t improved having Kelly and Seymour as DTs rather than Kelly and Warren – the problem is still on the edges. Playing all 3 of Kelly, Seymour, and Warren on the line bulks them up to better handle stopping the run.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea i didnt know he was 310..he will def. be playing in the middle next to kelly..i like this look..they are both disruptive dt and morrison should see his tackles go down but his impact way up
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
if he doesnt resign it will be the worst move ever though..and i dont really know why you would give up a first for a guy who only has one year on his contract
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
who else has 1 more year left on their contracts?
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt their no more salary cap after this year
i think if thats thats the case, money becomes much less of an issue
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 6, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is obviously the important question: Richard Seymour is going to wear what number since Tommy Kelly has his number 93?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This move is a little too late.
Al should’ve put more emphasis on the d-line the past two seasons. We wouldn’t have been in this situation if he would’ve addressed this problem the last couple of years instead of this drastic move. We could’ve went after Shaun Rodgers when he was with the Lions and Haynesworth this offseason. Oh well we probably wouldn’t have money to pay the 2011 pick anyway.
by Raider76 on Sep 6, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Q.
if we sign boone, do you think he’ll be next to kelly instead of seymour, and seymour would be taking scotts spot.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at 310 i dont see seymour as an end..i think we might sign boone just to get a good rotation of players
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won't sign Boone now
I don’t see the Raiders signing Alfonso Boone now.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seymour is also use to playing inside and wouldnt be able to contain from outside runs if he was at end
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like i said
he’s an excellent run stopper, and great pass rusher.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea being able to stop the run from the inside is not the same as from 4-3 end…in the 3-4 thats the olb job
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
if he was playing end in the 4-3, i believe it’ll make his job easier, because seymour will be working with 4 lineman instead of 3.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean i dont know its possible to play him at end i guess..we’ll see i just think it makes sense to put him inside..the thing is 4-3 de is a big assignment change from 3-4 end
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won’t sign Boone since we have to cut someone now.
If Richard Seymour plays defensive tackle, William Joseph is out because our four defensive tackles would be Seymour, Gerard Warren, Desmond Bryant and Tommy Kelly. If Seymour plays defensive end, I don’t know who is cut because then we’d have Ellis, Seymour, Scott, Richardson and Shaughnessy.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think gerard warren can play end?
and if we had to cut someone, why would we think it’ll be a DL, and not someone else in another position?
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have four safeties, four cornerbacks, six linebackers and nine defensive linemen.
Other than William Joseph, the two other guys I can see getting cut the most are Luke Lawton and Todd Watkins.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Gerard Warren weighs 330 pounds. There’s a better chance that I’m playing defensive end this year.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we dont have to play all our dt at the same time…we can rotate them in..the question just becomes if seymour plays inside does scott still start
by pablopaul25 on Sep 6, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bryant at DE
I keep saying it and will never see it; Bryant should play end. I think the line should look like this: Ellis-Kelly-Seymour-Bryant. Run = stopped.
Just HIT somebody.
by SBcitizen on Sep 6, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting jacked!!!!
The most key move we could’ve made! We know the other guys will all get better! We’ll get some consistency from the starting front four, and their backups will get opportunities to shine!
SD is going down!
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really like Bryant ! He impress me more then any other player in preseason .
by KONARAIDER on Sep 7, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raiders you guys got a hell of a deal here. As a patriots fan i beleive you guys got the better end of the deal. I feel Seymour was worth more then a 2011 1st rnd draft pick.
CRONGRATS.
: "Rip? Oh, he was funny, man. He said, ‘Boston? Dang man, Boston?’ I said, ‘Hey, you got to go with the flow.’"—F Rasheed Wallace, on the reaction of former Detroit teammate Rip Hamilton to his signing with the Celtics
by NEFOOL on Sep 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
oops
*CONGRATS
: "Rip? Oh, he was funny, man. He said, ‘Boston? Dang man, Boston?’ I said, ‘Hey, you got to go with the flow.’"—F Rasheed Wallace, on the reaction of former Detroit teammate Rip Hamilton to his signing with the Celtics
by NEFOOL on Sep 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to say almost all the Pats fans are class guys with great posts
Love to get guys from the model organization in the NFL. I believe it’s somewhat of a reflection on Al’s knowledge for the game as well. I hope we can return to a great team again.
Seymour is definitely worth every penny and a number 1 pick, and any team getting a Patriot in a trade is getting a winner and a leader. Super stoked to have him on board.
Do you guys check Townienews.com? I frickin love Fitzy! That dude’s hilarious!
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
as opposed to the Bronco's, Chiefs & SD fans.
Who must have no lives if the biggest thrill of there day is to post derogatory statements on rivals sites.
I also give the Pat’s fans my thanks for all there insightful posts.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Sep 6, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
by Ozraider on Sep 7, 2009 3:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yea its getting really old
making fun of the dismal Faiders all the time.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 7, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says the fan of
the team thats 6-26 the last 2 years. People Who Live In Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones!
by Raider76 on Sep 7, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seems like we have handled
you guys fairly well over the last few seasons. At least we have made some changes. If you havn’t heard we have a new GM, new coach, and a new QB.
What is different with the Raiders? Not a whole lot, Russel will continue to struggle throwing more picks than TD’s this year, Cable will show that he can not control a team of misfits and that he is the only person that would accept such a trash job (Harrison’s comments on Seymours feelings towards Oakland should tell you very clearly what the rest of the NFL thinks of you), and crazy Al will conitinue to ruin your team with dismal front office skills and micromanaging.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 8, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Handled us?
We are 2-2 the last 2 years. I hope you made some changes last year because you only won 2 games! You guys can’t even protect your $63 million dollar man. He didn’t even make it out of preseason safe. Way to protect your investment. You really can’t bash.
Please Read:
by Raider76 on Sep 9, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyways
seymour is an excellent addition for the raiders. yeah the 1st round draft pick is a questionable move, but in 2 years, who knows what will happen. Right now though, seymour is HEALTHY, and he tied his sack record last year with 8, and almost tied his tackle record(both records were in 2003). he’s a HIGH-caliber player with a winning attitude to boot. he’ll be an excellent leader in the locker room, and mentor the younger lineman as well. he’s played in a 4-3 in college, and we(the pats) ran 4-3 often as well(like i said, our team is like a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. we use both depending on what team we’re playing).
he is a GREAT addition, and i’m soooooooooooo happy that the raiders picked up one of the best DL in the game. not to mention he’s one of the few who can play both DE and DT, so cable can use him however he sees fit, and will still get great production out of him no matter what position he plays.
by patriotguy on Sep 6, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Horrible move
The Raiders are the Patriots stupid step brother who will trade a nickel for a quarter everytime
by TerrySteinbach on Sep 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
People do you Guys remember MIKE HAYNES
IN 82 Al Davis used a No. 1 draft choice in 1984 and a No. 2 pick in 1985 for cornerback mike haynes at the age of 29
by Bring A Lunch on Sep 6, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who can forget Haynes?
had to leave a sorry team to join a team that could go to the next level, if I’m not mistaken.
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2011 lockout
First off do we need to sign him by next year? isnt it going to be entirely restricted free agents so cant we just make him a restricted free agent:? i dunno if thats right correct me if im wrong
in 2011 if theres a lockout which looks very probable what becomes of those draft picks? there wouldnt be a draft in 2011 and if those picks dont carry to the next draft Al may have just made a genius move
by mttddd on Sep 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have a good link explaining what’s going on with the lockout?
Just HIT somebody.
by SBcitizen on Sep 6, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take
best move is signing him immediately to an extension. Look forward to seeing him and how he’ll fit in to the defense, and lift the performance of the other guys.
Hopefully he’ll take Kelly to the level we’re paying him to produce at. Ellis will get his, the blitzing lbs and dbacks too, and hopefully Warren too.
It’s on Monday night!
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts
if he takes Scott’s starting spot than this deal is incredible and definitely boosts the Raiders run D, though the middle is still a little weak. But now Warren can be freed up to make plays in both the run and pass, Kelly won’t be doubled as much allowing him to be freed up much like Warren, and Ellis is now no longer the only real perimeter threat. Throw in Brown blitzing and a top-10 pressure team just got to about top-5.
However, I’m not prepared to deem us AFC West champs because of this move. LB and CB depth are still serious issues as is Eugene’s consistency at safety and starting right tackle. Penalties are also still an issue here as well.
This does however dramatically improve the run D with the only real issue being tackling and the play of the linebackers.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 6, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good comments all around
When Mitchell is back and ready, putting him in at SS and moving Tyvon to FS would make me a happy camper. Really concerned about Eugene’s inconsistency. Looks like a world beater at times and at others he looks as lost as Schweigert ever did.
by Raybin on Sep 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eugene
I think does a good job. He does what he is suppossed to, but he can’t do more than what is expected. He will make the TD saving tackle after 10 yards, but we all know that is not pleasing.
R.I.P - Michael Jackson
by Rayder K on Sep 6, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
but at times his coverage can be pretty shaky.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 6, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably has more to do
with the pass rush, though. you cant just be coverin guys forever…
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 6, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well since shawne merriman just got arrested for choking tila tequila our chances just got better since its a fair bet hes gunna get suspended. Seymour will also help the pass rush immensley. The middle of our line while not good is not the main culprit for us getting tore up by the run. Having defensive ends who cant stop the run has let teams run to the outside all day aka the preseason game vs the 49ers. If we have seymour and ellis on the ends we wont get burnt by outside runs all the time.
I agree defensive back depth is very questionable but its far easier to pick up a passable corner or safety in the middle of the year than a quality defensive end
by mttddd on Sep 6, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good statement
defensive back depth is very questionable but its far easier to pick up a passable corner or safety in the middle of the year than a quality defensive end
but until this is met, I’m still iffy on proclaiming us victors against SD
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
losing shawn merrimen won't do much
last year they loss merrimen, but the difference is is that they have larry english, who is a great pass rushing motor type OLB, much like shawn merrimen.
by patriotguy2 on Sep 6, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet another reason I'm iffy
plus there’s still a great pass rusher in Shaun Phillips
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why havent we picked up one yet?
If it’s so easy then why does Stanford Routt still have a job? Mitchell has been hurt for Sooooo long, I think he came out of college hurt, and a 3 month Hammy injury has to be very serious. Merriman is gonna be gone, but all that means is that we should be able to keep J Rock under 5 Sacks…. well maybe!
by Oaktizzle on Sep 7, 2009 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Residual affect
Staunch defensive line-play almost automatically helps other areas of the ’D," especially ’corners; also, it should help the morale of the offense. We are getting better. Raiders, GO!!!!!!!!!
by Realtooreal on Sep 6, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SM or not
We should be ready to ‘Kick Ass’ to who ever is in our way! Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Realtooreal on Sep 6, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i can't wait till seymour breaks philip river's back
wait. philip is on my fantasy team. Damn, it doesn’t work for me either way, i’ll think i’ll trade him!
by patriotguy2 on Sep 6, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Vindication
Cable tells reporters in post-practice press conference that Richard Seymour will play right end and occasionally move inside in passing situations. See David White‘s and Jerry McDonald’s twitter accounts. As Tommy Kelly said, if he, Gerard Warren, and Richard Seymour can’t stop the run, God/Yahweh/Allah save us.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You Guys
Heard about the Shaun Merriman Arrest This is great I hope he doesn’t play in the opener. it will only make it fair cuz we lost Chadz.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
by nishal26 on Sep 6, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about larry english and shaun phillips
they’re worthy backups.
by patriotguy2 on Sep 6, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smart decision by Tom Cable!
We need penetration to disrupt plays before they can develop. including getting in the QB’s face
Love this move
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
by RUKidding on Sep 7, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
except seymour doesn't penetrate
or get in the QB’s face all that much. he’s probably still above average at stuffing the line of scrimmage, but that’s about it at this point.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Sep 9, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
he gets to the qb’s face. with him stuffing the line, he got 8 sacks last year.
by patriotguy2 on Sep 10, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow I missed this
And just posted this same thing in reply your comment in the other thread. Whoops.
Kelly is right by the way. No excuses anymore.
by Raybin on Sep 6, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A first rounder is a high price
but Seymour is a pro-bowler and lets be honest how many of our first round picks, neh any of our draft picks made the pro bowl this decade? We also have quite a high number of top 5-10 picks being paid top 10 draft pick money and if we have another average year this year there is a quite high possibility of another next year that’s A LOT of money.
All in all we have got the DT we have all been begging for and I really think we now have a really realistic chance to make the playoffs as well as the hugely positive impact having a player and person like seymour around our young players and we now have a real nice blend of youth and experience on D.
Just hope we can sign him to an extension!!
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
by Ozraider on Sep 6, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually feel bad for seymore
he goes from the best team in football to the worst
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by gametime_gsw on Sep 6, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Detroit Lions are on the phone
it’s for you. Something about a winless season.
by Raybin on Sep 6, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the past six seasons
The lions took a whole season off and still have more wins than us that is really sad.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
by nishal26 on Sep 6, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad indeed
But look at this:
I don’t think the Lions have had a winning season since 2000
They haven’t made the playoffs in a decade or more
In 7 years under Matt Millen as GM, their record was 31-81.
We were at least contending for a Super Bowl six years ago. I think they’re far worse than us as a franchise. Though it’s a little petty to be arguing over who sucks more.
by Raybin on Sep 6, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are some other situations that could have been worse.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 6, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i.e.
KC, Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, and worst of them all; Denver.
Here he’s playing in a weak division, which means he’ll be able to dominate more and help a rebuilding team get over the hump one day. He already has the Super Bowl rings, now he’s in a place where he can get a big contract that he wouldn’t have got in New England; who has to worry about Wilfork’s and Brady’s contracts
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 7, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a key pickup; he will perform well and do the job we need him to do
the first round pick seems steep, but the Raiders may not be in a position to pay a first round guy next year. The trend in the NFL by smart organizations is to trade down from the first round unless the team needs a certain guy at a certain position.
That ultimately remains to be seen; this is the first move in long time that exhibits a sense of urgency by this organization to shore up a glaring inability to stop the run, in a run heavy division and conference. He was the best guy available any team was willing to let go, and it’s a great move for the Pats as well, as they needed to cut some jack in order to afford Wilfork, or he would’ve been gone.
Let’s all say a prayer for him to avoid injury, and continue to be effective. Another solid leader for the young guys on the defense, and he’ll either bring Kelly along, or Kelly will be gone soon too.
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No smart team is willing to shell out top ten pick scratch
for guys that remain totally unproven at the pro level. It’s too risky, and emphasizes the need for the league to reevaluate its take on a rookie payscale.
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
please
look at his stats last year, and say that.
by patriotguy2 on Sep 7, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this statement refers to the first round pick we're trading away, not Seymour
We’ll pay him handsomely, no doubt. We’re not afraid of paying guys; you know that very well.
As for the early 1st round pick ( I hope it’s not early!!!), Patriots will probably trade out of it if it’s top ten, and still get the guy they want. Seymour is totally proven at the pro level! I just hope he can come to our team and stay the player we’ve come to know with the Pats!
by brhynno on Sep 7, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This move is Bitter Sweet:
Sweet Because: Seymour is BY FAR the best player NOT named Haynesworth that we could have added to help our D-Line.
This moves redefines Al’s “Re-Loading” Philosophy and I know that, to a man, the rest of this team is PUMPED out of their gords.
Bitter Because: He is a one year rental and by 2011, there should be a rookie cap in place that would allow New England to get a high pick and not pay as much as all of the bad teams have for the past 6 years, if the Raiders do not turn this ship around, and at the very least we will lose a late first round pick that would have also been cheap.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 6, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seymour is BY FAR the best player NOT named Haynesworth that we could have added to help our D-Line.
I think another 29 year old named Julius Peppers would have something to say about this statement.
Slade Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
ESPN’s draft coverage missed the moment when Al Davis and Tom Cable each took turns using Mel Kiper’s mock draft as toilet paper. - Chris Shellcroft
by LiveAdam on Sep 6, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could he have realistically been added though
i thought he had to approve trades, and only wanted to go to a 3-4 or something like that.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 6, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
If Winning Isn't Everthing, Why Do They Keep Score? - Vince Lombardi
by Rayder K on Sep 7, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers? Maybe...
Julius is a dominant player, BUT, Seymour is also VERY dominant and fills a role that this team has been dying for…That of a man who can stand up his side of the line and give the linebackers holes into the defensive backfield as well as having his own savage way of getting into the backfield.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 7, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
peppers doesn't play DT like seymour can. :)
even though the raiders might still have him play end and peppers will cost more than seymour anyways. But they may still have seymour play tackle every so often. peppers can’t play tackle.
by patriotguy2 on Sep 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about the pick...
is the potential for the pending unresolved cba to devalue it.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by noontide on Sep 7, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see him as a one-year rental
I know Al Davis makes some gutsy and rather strange calls, but why would we not give him a deal? Especially if we wait until 2010 to resign him in what is a cap space-free year. I can guarantee we’ll get him a deal done. It’s Al Davis, he always gets his guys signed.
"You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire you musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack. You'd better stand there's no turning back"- "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden
by KA1Z3R on Sep 7, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that he is only scheduled to make 3 point something Million This Year:
Means that he will be easier to extend than someone who was making max money this year.
The Raiders will make him the highest paid defensive lineman of all-time and he will shine!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Over all I like this trade
I love the way Seymour can stop the run and get to the QB. This should greatly help our run D. However I do think we need to sign him for 2+ more years to make this trade a win for the Raiders.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Sep 6, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seymour is an asset
After years of having the worst run defense in the league, adding a defensive end with a proven record can only help. The Raiders need to win. For years we have had massive talent, yet been underachieving. A superbowl veteran like Seymour is the catalyst this defense needs, and the whole team will benefit. We need to welcome him with open arms, and let him do the job he was hired to do.
—Dave Cleinman
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by Dave Cleinman on Sep 6, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great move I think.
We’ve had a number of high first round pick in the last few seasons and not all of them have come to give us the production we expected (I’m looking at you Huff) and others have yet to show what they can do. This gives us a proven starter a Probowl player a guy with gas in the tank and means we don’t have to shell out massive dollars for an unproven rookie in 2011.
So, we gave our DE (Burgess) to the Pats and they gave us theirs (Seymour) I know whaic one I’d rather have and Seymour and Ellis on the field at the same time should be fun to watch.
by KiwiRaiderFan on Sep 6, 2009 8:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
After this has happened it makes me think
we could have worked out a package with Burgess for seymour and maybe not give up such a valuable draft pick.
Oh Well im still super excited.
Great Job Al
has anyone else noticed the number of deals done between the raiders and patriots over the last 5 or so years, there must be a good working relationship between the two organisations.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
by Ozraider on Sep 6, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i just like how theyre
putting faith into this season. this might end up to be a really, really bad move. but atleast its bold and sends a statement to the team and the fans.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 6, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is the 50th year so would be great to be at least .500
Whatever you say about Mr Davis you cannot say that he is not trying to win every single year, even last year when he in reality wasted a shit load of money on big names (Walker, Kelly, Hall) that didnt work out at least he always puts money back into the team TRYING TO WIN. WIth more and more owners trying to win is not always the priority LONG LIVE MR DAVIS!
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
by Ozraider on Sep 8, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Can’t wait for the season now.
I was getting pretty bitter about not our seeming to not got after any talented tackles, but the org has probably had their eyes on Seymour for quite some time, and one of the reasons the two organizations continue to do business with one another is indicative of their respect for keeping moves confidential and such.
Looking forward to an awesome Monday night! Both games promise to be great battles. Actually hope Merriman isn’t suspended. I want us to play the most talented Charger team we can… The Raiders are capable of beating them with or without him.
It’s all about executing now! It is so on!
by brhynno on Sep 6, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
i have to say i haven’t read all the posts on this trade, but i will say this. r.seymore is in his contract year. this means he’ll play is ass off to get that next contract possibly to run out his career. what everyone has to remember….there is no salary cap next year. al can offer him anything he wants if he performs. its seems like evryone is forgetting that there is no cba after this season….all bets are offs..its a feeding frenzy
by phredex20 on Sep 6, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great trade
with all the lousy picks in the past in first round, why not give one up which is TWO years away for a guy whos proven, and can help us win now. this speak for the organization also cuz i believe ANY other year we would of been like… “ooooo, who really needs to stop the run anyways??” but this year we saw the problem and decided to actually do something about it. i could not be more pleased right now with ol’ al and cable
by frank7da2tank on Sep 7, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Patriots play moneyball
As mentioned earlier, no way Pats will pay big money for a 30 yrs old. We have his very reasonable contract this year, worst case can franchise tag him next year, than sign that extension. Presumably, makes us more competitive this year and with another year of development, true playoff contenders for 2010 year. Hence, the first pick becomes a low one wich works out nicely. Raiders traded based on need and got a solid player now; Patriots traded based on contracts and received currency that they can package at this year’s draft need be. Unless he comes in as damaged goods, it’s a win-win where Raiders improve now.
by raiders4liffe on Sep 7, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A 1st rounder is a steep price,
but I think it is vital to this organization to try and build on the momentum it created at the end of last year and give the current core of young players a chance to succeed.
I don’t know that this vaults the Raiders into playoff contention in my mind but at least now it is floating around as a possibility in there. Not being able to stop the run can rip the heart out of a team. By all accounts this should help the run d.
The other big factor is the Raiders players are excited about this and Seymore seems to be a true profesional. This should help build a positive hard working attitude that has been sorely missing.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by noontide on Sep 7, 2009 1:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I like about Seymour...
…is his attitude on and off the field. I have never heard about him being anything less than an all-business professional who does his job quietly and efficiently . But on the field, he’s apparently a beast to play against and not afraid to talk trash or throw an elbow, which I love
by Raybin on Sep 7, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st Rd is steep but,
we have better luck in the later rounds (not so much this year with norris and stryker )
We wouldn’t be in this situation if we drafted a DL or LB with our first or second pick but what’s done is done. Not that any of the DL were in the same class as Seymour but we would have had a younger player and a 2011 1st
We traded our 2nd round pick with NE they picked up Ron Brace (run stuffer) we picked up Mitchell (in the mold of Tatum but in all likely hood would have been there in the third) Bottom Line we need to draft better.
I hope this works out like picking up Hendricks, Haynes, Plunkett and Alzado did later in their careers. Has he (Seymour) showed up in CA yet?
The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison
by S-n-B4life on Sep 7, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Leadership on D
Typically, the heart on soul of the D is your inside linebacker. He should lead in tackles, inspiration, etc. Think Ray Lewis, Urlacher, Jack Lambert, Matt Millen (when he played, not managed), Singletary (yeah I know that I can’t prop up any 49rs but he showed up everyday as a player), etc. We’re relying on Ellis, now Seymour, and Nnambi to provide leadership. It’s not enough. We need a captain in that LB spot; someone who will carry the Ds when we hit that rough patch with poise and determination. I would let go one of our back up QBs or Rankin for that role. Fargas’ contract is too high and he is Mr Raider, we’re getting one more year out of him.
by raiders4liffe on Sep 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Richard Seymour still isn’t at practice yet and the team did some things this morning.
The Raiders just went through a late morning walk-through, and no sign of defensive lineman Richard Seymour reporting for duty.
The Raiders traded for the five-time Pro Bowler early Sunday morning, so it’s not like he hasn’t had a chance to hop on a plane from Boston.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 7, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO Bueno:
He’ll be here!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 7, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to this report, I don’t know.
Several Internet reports Monday said that Seymour isn’t happy with being traded to the Raiders and is contemplating a hold out. No one has spoken with Seymour on the record, so it’s possible that no one has an accurate gauge on Seymour’s stance.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 7, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh No!! Shut up and Play or he will see a fist from Tom Cable.
Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
by nishal26 on Sep 7, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, many of those pencil dicks hate us
I’m sure we are just trying to get a new contract or extension worked out.
Al wouldnt have made this move if he hadn’t spoken with RS
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
by RUKidding on Sep 7, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a load of crap!
I have never even heard of this happening. I guess the Raiders did not talk to him at all before trading form him.
He better show. Hopefully the trade is contingent upon him actually showing up for work, but it doesn’t sound like it.
I have faith he will show up. I do not see what he could gain by not showing. Unless he tries to force a trade I guess, the league can’t allow this kind of thing… I hope.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by noontide on Sep 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was a comment that corroborated what Cable said, and that some financial issues remained unresolved in NE
But I’m not surprised about Seymour being shell shocked going from the Pats to the Raiders. He should realize that he’ll get paid better as a Raider than anywhere else in the NFL, especially if he performs, but we pay guys either way!
It’s funny because lots of folks (okay, mosly haters) were criticizing the pick, and the same guys jump on the fact he hasn’t shown.
Some will call it a horrible move no matter what happens, and we still don’t know what will happen. I hope to see him in a Silver and black uniform, and soon, but will hope for an alternative DT from somewhere, preferably a guy with run stuffing on his resume, like big Richard, or shall I call him Dick?
by brhynno on Sep 8, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cable has said that he has spoke to Seymour and he wants to be a Raider
he just have some issues to work out with the Patriots, Patriots have denied this but that is really the standard response from the Patriots.
I’m not too worried
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
by Ozraider on Sep 7, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.
by nishal26 on Sep 7, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodney Harrison is a d-bag for going public with that nonsense
Lost some respect for the guy.
What he says might be true, but you don’t use the media to voice it like that. Especially when the so-called friend you’re representing still has to work in this league.
Real classy, Rodney, real classy…
by brhynno on Sep 8, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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