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Saint's Takes: Al Davis Was Right About Warner and Rodgers, Tom Cable Made His Own Bed

Hello Raider Nation, there are a couple of things on my mind this morning, so without further ado I will dive into them.

- First of all, last night's Arizona/Green Bay playoff game was one for the ages. The up and coming Aaron Rodgers was going toe to toe and blow to blow with the ageless Kurt Warner. They were locked in a "Whatever you can do, I can do better" game of one-ups-manship.

When the dust settled, they had set post-season records for touchdown passes thrown, scoring and yardage.

The thing that stuck out to me all game was the fact that these were two quarterbacks that Al Davis has endlessly pursued. You can say that he needs someone to come in and handle the game planning and coaching, but the man does, certainly, have an eye for talent.

Now, Mr. Davis, can you please bring in someone who knows what to do with it?

- The second thing that stands out to me this morning is Tom Cable's attitude about the offensive line going into last year's draft.

When he was pressed about the offensive line he said that he had the guys he wanted and that they didn't need to upgrade.

Boy, was he wrong!!!

Cable also crowned himself a great play caller and showed all season that he was outmatched. Too many times Gradkowski, McFadden and Frye have been responsible for making calls that got the team into the end zone. NOT Tom.

The one thing that Tom Cable did do well was keep the team together and believing in the Raiders. But, to me, that just isn't enough. When you lead the League in penalties, can't win back to back games, and pass the ball 485 times and only run it 410 times on a team that should be a run first offense, he can't be trusted to call the plays again.

Had he brought in a play caller and focused on the O-Line, he would not be in this mess. The questions is, will Al give Tom another shot, within these parameters?

I don't want to hear the weak argument that "Defenses were stacking 8 in the box!!!"

Just to shed some perspective on this situation, the Jets ran the ball 607 times and passed only 393 times. Don't you think that teams were stacking the line against them? They are in the playoffs with a rookie QB with a passer rating of 63. Mark Sanchez threw 12 TDs and 20 INTs, yet, with Rex Ryan managing the game plan and sticking to the run, they were able to ride their defense to victory. Tom Cable, on the other hand, abandoned the run as soon as the team was down by a FG, and at other times after the opening coing toss.

It is sad when a Website full of "Somewhat Knowledgable Fans" out coaches a professional, game in and game out.

With that being said, unless Cable agrees with everything that I outlined above, I would fire him. In fact, I wouldn't have hired such an unqualified individual in the first place.

Each NFL Franchise is a 100 million dollar a year enterprise and hiring Cable was like promoting a 2nd level Mail Room Manager to CEO. There will bill a lot of Rah-Rahs and "Let's Go Team's", but, NO concept of how the machine actually works.

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God, Amen!

I hated Cable, always have. As a line coach, sure he is pretty decent. As a head coach? He couldn’t be more of a joke. I am so sick of watching teams do " whatever it takes " to get the next big coach and all the Raiders do is settle for anybody that has coached a highschool team before. Good ridance Cable. Before you were coach Russell was somewhat of a half decent QB. Not that I like him either, but you may as well have ruined him, the O-line was crap and the playcalling( Cleveland game especially ) was abominal. You had a team of heartless misfit babies. Kiffin might have went 4 – 12, but it felt like we were in all those games. You led us to record setting blowouts. Thank you. Brian Billeck….please save this team from complete irrelevancy!

you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....

by stonewall jackson on Jan 11, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Jim Fossil will work for peanuts

and he’ll get the team to at least 8-8

by Jcrew1179 on Jan 11, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Drafting a lineman wasn't or ever will be Cable's Call

We are all in limbo just waiting to see what will happen in the next few hours or days. But unlike electing a new Pope, I don’t know how excited we will be when we see the white smoke. Davis has always had the final word on the draft and I don’t expect him to ever give that up.

I think Cable is capable of adjusting his workload to maximize the use of his coaches for preparing players. It was nice that he admitted as much during one of his last conferences with the media. We need more of this type of honesty within the organization, not less of it.

Cable did a good job throughout the year to deflect blame where it is due. As best as he could no one looked too embarrassed when he gave his opinion about everything from losing to the Browns and Chiefs to demoting Jamarcus.

Can we really get excited about a new coach? How many more will we go through before Davis realizes that his sense of continuity is detrimental to the team?

I want to see this team win because I am sick of seeing them lose.

Saint, I wish we could have Rodgers or Warner as much as you do. But we know that Warner is retiring and Rodgers is going nowhere. We missed our chance when Brees was available but I am hopeful for Gradkowski.

Congrats on your daughter, that’s awesome. I hope mom and daughter are doing fine.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jan 11, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks Gerard: They are doing well, despite the flu that has overtaken our family!!!

I nearly freaked when she got a runny nose last night!!!

On Cable, he did a good job off the field, but he showed up with Marshmellows to a gun fight once too often for me.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't throw away that bulb syringe

saline lavages for the runny nose will help keep her passages open.

If your daughter is breast feeding, she’ll be the healthiest one in the family as she gets mom’ s antibodies, Immunoglubin G for 6 months and Immunoglubin A as long as she keeps feeding.

Make sure your family is re-hydrating with Pedialyte. Gatoraide can be an acceptable alternative. Don’t just replace fluids with water, not good enough.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jan 11, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't throw it away? Or throw it away?

How do I administer the saline lavages?

Should we still drink pedialyte if we aren’t puking or having the runs?

If you all haven’t figured it out yet, Gerard is a Doctor!!!!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

lymphatic drainage massage was an ....

one of many osteopathic techniques taught during medical school. Anytime you can mobilize lymphatic fluids it is generally considered a good thing for aiding our immune system to fight infection.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jan 12, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Use ocean nasal spray and gently drip it into her nose...

then use the bulb syringe to suction the mucus. It won’t hurt her.

Regarding pedialyte…1-2 ounces every 20-30 minutes will be tolerated a lot better than trying gulp down 4-8 oz at a time.

If you are still experiencing nausea and vomiting…see your primary care provider and get a Rx for an anti-emetic such as phenergan…as long as there are no contraindications.

For diarrhea the BRAT diet is recommended…Bananas, Rice And Toast. A used to stand for apples until they discovered that it could prolong the diarrhea.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jan 12, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

We just have the month long cough and runny noses:

No sore throats, or anything else, but this cough is brutal and kept me awake for over two weeks. Thank God it is now just a part time thing.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I try to stay as conservative as possible with meds

…warm fluids, even warm water can help to mobilize “stuff” (phlegm) in your throat and chest.
I hope everybody gets well soon.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jan 12, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks brothaman

will we be seeing you on opening day this year? We will have the drums out in LF for sure!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if what you said re Cable was meant as compliment or criticism

at any rate, it should be a criticism. Deflecting blame, ie. distributing it unfairly was just a weak pathetic cop out. Cable is a nice man who should do well selling life insurance or running a pumpkin farm near Half Moon Bay.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 13, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi Saint!

The problem is that hiring Cable as the head coach was merely a “band-aid” fix for another problem, Lane Kiffin. I think Davis was so hell bent on firing Kiffin that Cable was an afterthought. Not exactly a recipe for success.

And yes, that Cards/Packers game was fantastic!

by high street on Jan 11, 2010 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

Sup My Lady?

That was well put. It was a band aid. In fact he didn’t even really know who Tom Cable was.

You planning on drumming this season? I am loving what the A’s are doing in the off-season. Send me an e-mail with you phone number, I lost my phone again and have ZERO back-up!!! Can you send me Duke’s too?

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

yup!

Not a problem!

I will have my drum on Opening Day, for sure!!

by high street on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

4 coaching searches in the last 5 years

Turner (previous head coach, & SB winning O-coordinator),
Shell (previous head coach & HOF lineman)
Kiffin (previous college co-offensive coordinator)
Cable (o’line coach and losing College HC)

See a trend here, you may get down to actually hiring the “2nd level Mail Room Manager” if this continues. This is not a good job to have, and if Cable is fired for “cause” it will fall even further with AD choosing not to pay the second consecutive coaching failure (of his finding). No change at the top, means no change period.
Chaos is not working a foundation must be set.

Overall I have no problem with them firing Cable, as he’s not a very good coach or playcaller, but as usual, there doesn’t seem to be a realistic plan for a replacement. It’s just getting rid of another scapegoat and protecting the pet players (Russell, DHB, R. Brown, S Williams, C. Green, etc.)

"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."

by S Jay Bruin on Jan 11, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

Agree 100% with your assessment

I’ve said the very same things as you as to why Tom Cable should be fired and should’ve never gotten the job in the first place. People characterize this man as being a good offensive line coach. Yet, his offensive lines do nothing but lead the league in penalties every year. They don’t run or pass block well at all. EVER! This is a team whose strength lies in it’s run game. When a team takes away your strength, you have little chance to succeed. Tom Cable took away the Raiders strength most times. He gave the Raiders little chance to succeed. His game plans were awful. His play calling, worse. His college record as a head coach was something like .239 and he was fired by his own alma mater after four years of the same losing records. And, this ineptitude warrents being given the keys to the Raiders kingdom? His season record was as predicatable as a bear crapping in the woods. If allowed back next year be ready for the 5-11 record that will follow. He’s a proven loser and the sooner he’s out of the Raiders organization, the better it will be. Bringing him back simply delays any organizational improvement yet another year.

by Older_than_Moses_Shaq on Jan 11, 2010 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

oh but wait.....

he " brought the team together " and they and they couldn’t even muster a seven win season!!!!This bum should be washing towels.

you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....

by stonewall jackson on Jan 12, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Congrats Saint on #3

However i say Keep Cable …..

 - Hire an OC (Kevin Gilbride please)
 - Draft an OL (Bruce Campbell please)
 - Cut JaMarcus on the final cut after preseason if he is still the fat, lazy, QB we have seen. This way although he gets his 3+M guaranteed he won’t get much else and hopefully his posse “ain’t eatin” in a few years.
  - Hire a GM to actually steer this ship (suggestions welcome but we know it will need to be someone with a history w Al.)

by Bud Light on Jan 11, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

I say demote Cable to offensive line coach

And hire a workaholic HC in the same mold as Grudy.

Get an OC, rework the contract with the Coliseum and move to LA.

by xville on Jan 11, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

LA Raiders

I sure hope they dont move again, If they move, They will officially become the laughing stock of the league and Al will be declared the worst GM

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 11, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Scratch That

I ment Owner. He already is the worst GM

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 11, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Los Angeles

I think the Jaguars are headed there. They have poor attendance and without revenue sharing, the move may be inevitable.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Jaguars,Bills and Vikings are the 3 teams

that get mentioned for LA. I’d put my money on the Bills right now.

by sirbed on Jan 11, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The Jags and Bills supposedly already said no.

And the article I read said it was the Rams and Raiders.

Sounds like whoever.

by xville on Jan 11, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Jaguars and Bills

They may not have a choice with revenue sharing gone.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Saint, you have a good eye for coaching talent…after the fact. I’ll bet you knew Gruden was going to get fired in Tampa Bay as well. You probably also knew that Shanahan was going to be fired in Denver. Well, dang you know your coaches. What were your after-the-axe-fell thoughts on Shell, Turner and Callihan? You say you knew those were all bad choices as well? You sure are good, pompous, assinine, moronic and a sorry arm-chair QB, but you sure do know your hindsignt predictions.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

HAHAHAHA!!!

An O-Line Coach with a losing college record (Sub .300 at Idaho) who grew up a Raider fan?
It didn’t take much for me to see that one, or anyone else in the League.

I liked the Kiffin hiring and I still believe that had he been allowed draft Calvin Johnson, fire Robb Ryan and bring Monte in, as he wanted, we’d be in better shape today.

I liked the Gruden and Sean Payton hirings too. It’s too bad the Payton thing didn’t work out.

As for Shell, I embraced the return to the Old Raiders, then saw it crumble in three short months.

I didn’t like Norv because of how easy he was on the players. I also hated the Callahan hiring.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Packer Fan here

I am interested in what will go down in Oakland and what Al Davis’ next move will be. Saint, if you called all those coaches to be good, and the bad ones to be bad, then you are an excellent analyist. I must say I thought Lane Kiffen was an excellent hire. When he was coaching there, he made Oakland contenders despite what their record indicated. I was amazed with the job he did and was calling for Oakland to be in the playoffs within 3 years from that moment. Then, out of no where, I got word that Al Davis did not like Kiffen and eventually fired him over time. That was a head scratcher to me. Next, he hired Tom Cable as the Head Coach, another head scratcher for me.

When I think about Lane Kiffen, I think about what Oakland could be today. Daunte Culpepper would be the QB. Calvin Johnson would be in Oakland. Perhaps even Randy Moss might not have been traded. Can you imagine having 2 huge freaks of nature in Moss and CJ on the same team? I’d be intimidated by Oakland’s WR tandem. Instead, Al Davis made sure it was his way or the highway and demanded Jamarcus Russell. Well, we know how that turned out. Thanks for hearing that, I had to get it off my chest. For a while I thought it was humorous with what Al Davis has done to the Oakland Raiders, now it’s just pathetic and dissapointing. I feel bad for the Raider fans, I truly do.

So Saint, with this rep you seem to have, what are the hidden gems for Head Coaches out there? Who would you like as your Head Coach if Tom Cable is canned? Also, on a side note, many of us Packer fans are divided on Mike McCarthy as our Head Coach. What are your thoughts on him?

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 12, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Winston Moss

Former Raider and a leader of men. I also like Brian Billick. Of course we will not get Gruden, but he’d be my first choice.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

1 game of 50 points.

I’d hardly classify a D being weak from 1 bad performance. Well, 2 if you include Pittsburgh. That’s about it in the 2nd half of our season. They were after all the #2 ranked D overall.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 12, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

As a Packer fan

I know Winston Moss has done an outstanding job with our ILB’s. That’s the strength of our LB group. We have so much depth at that position and they all play well. It’s so solid that every Packer fan has a different opinion in who should start. That’s one of the biggest reasons why the Psycho Package came out, to get them all on the field. Our OLB’s are less depth friendly. Sure, our LB’s may be talented, but I know Moss has a lot to do with it.

A jump for him to Head Coach might be a big jump, so be forwarned, but I can honestly say Moss is ready to take another step in his career. If he does go to Oakland, I wish him the best of luck. I think he’ll help you out.

I’d like to keep Moss of course, but that’d be kinda selffish now, wouldn’t it? Leslie Frazier is a popular name, but why is that? Because his defense has played good this season? It was good before he got there. What exactly has Frazier done differently to give him this opportunity? I think Frazier is a bust in the waiting. Trust me, there is nothing special about him. He inherited a good defense, that’s all.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 13, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

One other thing Saint (or Ain’t)…Russell and Heyward-Bey (among others) were Al’s choices. Cable just gave the party line. Now Al has to live with those decisions. I’ll bet you predicted how they would perform too. You sly old dog.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

Russell was a terrible choice:

I do bet that Al Davis raised concerns about the O-line, or at least asked Tom what he thought about it going into last season and so he didn’t draft ONE O-Lineman in the draft.

Maybe he would have selected Monroe or Oher in the First or Unger in the second if Tom wasn’t so SOLD on HIS GUYS.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Cable

Was salivating over those linemen last year! Let’s not fool ourselves. The draft is Al’s baby. Always was and always will be…even after he dies I fear.

by Rusty23 on Jan 11, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

That is possible:

He may have just been towing the company line, and if so, he is the wrong guy for this job. If he knew that this O-Line blew so badly and didn’t have the cahones to stand up for CHANGE, then, once again he is the wrong guy for the job.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s not fair, dude. You stand up for change and you get fired. That’s how Al Davis works. If Al had his druthers, we’d almost certainly have seen JaMarcus all year long. Instead, we had a competitive product on the field, with him riding the pine. You have to pick your battles with Al.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Gruden worked around it:

Al built the team, with some help from Gruden and Paul Allen and Gruden coached them.

He even had the film guys make films to show Al why he wanted to do certain things…And it worked. You have to be ready for anything when you work for a guy who goes on record saying that no Head Coach should be around more than 4 years.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Gruden worked around it, and got shown the door. What’s your point? He busted his ass working around Al’s ridiculous headstrong bullshit, built himself a Super Bowl winner without question, and got kicked to the curb.

And you wonder why no one wants to work for Al?

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That is why we get the Cable's of the World:

It is a sad state of affairs when “The Team Played Together” is good enough for someone who is DEFINITELY in over his head ot keep his job in such a high profile performance based industry.

I think we see things more alike than not.

And to think all I mentioned in the above piece was that AL davis wanted both of these QB’s and it has created so much venom.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Not at all, sainty.

No venom here. I just see way too much praise for a guy who hurts the franchise more than he helps it.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody wants to come here fellas

Another reason we keep losing everyseason is because we change coaches a year later. Its one step forward and then suddenly 2 steps back. I know some dumbass is gonna say “oh those are little steps” but come on any step forward is a good one in my book. If we stick with Tom i think we can succeed.

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Did You Read This?
“With that being said, unless Cable agrees with everything that I outlined above, I would fire him”

Unless he brings on an OC, I don’t want him. 410 runs vs 485 passes. I don’t want that agian. Not when we have Darren, Justin and Michael ready to run the rock!!!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think u worded that wrong

Unless AL brings in a OC

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant on:

As in brings on board

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

So did i

I dont think Cable is going to be doing any hiring

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering how often the Raiders were playing from behind is it any wonder they had to pass as much as they did? Using that stat as the basis for your argument is illogical.

by Bluelightning on Jan 12, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

For the money and opportunity to coach an NFL team

there are many good coaches who would love to come here. But, I realize you’re speaking hyperbolically. Gruden already said he’d entertain the idea, and Leslie Frazier the DC of Minn expressed interest. Seriously, coaching for the Raiders is a win / win job. First, because of the generally held view (warranted or not) that the owner is overly involved in every facet) the coach is not tainted when he eventually leaves this organization; Second, the Raiders do have talent and we have seen that this season. Our number one problem was the QB, our number two problem was the coach and the 3rd was a weak o-line. We fixed the first and, hopefully, will correct the second any day, the 3rd will be addressed in April. Then we get some middle strength DTs and MLB and we go to the playoffs.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Did we really fix the 1st problem?

We may have patched it, but until Russell is released and sent packing to Burger King, we haven’t fixed anything. If he stays, it still could lead to him being Al’s chosen one.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 4:57 AM PST up reply actions  

For the time being we must live with the threat

or with some here – the hope – of Russell behind Satele again.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2010 6:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Paul Allen?

I’m guessing you mean Bruce Allen.

I’m curious about the you saying the Raiders have tried to get Kurt Warner or Aaron Rodgers. Uh do you have any links that mention this? I’ve never heard about Warner being linked to the Raiders at all and Rodgers could have been drafted by Davis in 2005 but instead he took Fabian Washington.

by sirbed on Jan 11, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He also had Kerry Collins at the time: Who he liked

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I did mean Bruce Allen

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Right on his Wiki Page:

Prior to the 2007 season, rumors surfaced about a potential trade involving Rodgers in which he would be traded to the Oakland Raiders for wide receiver Randy Moss.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

and Warner?

so you think Davis wanted Rodgers but not enough to draft him because he had a journeyman QB in Collins who was playing for his then 4th team?

I like your posts saint but I don’t think this one holds up sorry.

by sirbed on Jan 11, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

To each their own:

Davis wanted Rodgers in the Moss deal. Anyone who was following it at the time knows that.

He also wanted Warner and Brees. This is info I have because I’ve followed the team more closely than I care to admit for 10 years!?!?! ;)

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember that!!!

heck, I even supported it too. At the time, we all thought Rodgers would never pan out because he was injury prone early in his career. We were all hoping to bring in Randy Moss, and Brent (we’ll never forget you) Favre was coming off an 8-8 season. Wow, Aaron Rodgers proved me along with many other Packer fans why that would have been a HUGE mistake. I can’t imagine how pissed I’d be at this point if that trade had occured. Green Bay would be a train wreck if we didn’t have Rodgers. Favre would still be our QB, but he probably would have had a career ending injury in the 1st Half of our season.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 12, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear where you're coming form but...

If we are to believe (and I do) that this is Cable’s dream job, sometimes it’s easier to change things from the inside. Maybe he had to agree with some of Al’s assessments, put his guys on the field, in order to show Al he was wrong. That’s a lot of ifs but let’s say we do have a guy like Kiff who throws it in the old man’s face. How did that work out? Now let’s say he does get fired. Just who the hell is going to caoch this team?

by Rusty23 on Jan 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Notable Others:

Mike Mitchell, Tyvon Branch, Louis Murphy, Gradkowski, Mario Henderson, Nnamdi….And the list goes ON!!!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok guys n gals, there is only 1 way, let me repeat that, 1 way the Raiders will ever get straightened out while AL is still alive. That is by everyone getting together and boycotting the games. If we continue to go to the games Al will stay in his I’m the Boss and the Greatest ever train of thought because it will not be affecting his wallet. Now how funny would it be if on a Monday Night Game (not that we will get any anytime soon) or any Nationaly broadcast game if all the fans stayed out in the parking lot and held a vigil so to speak against Al (tailgate party wearing Fire Al for Cause t-shirts). I almost guaranty that Commish Goodell would step in and relieve Al of his duties for “Cause”…lol Now what I would like to see happen is for Al to bring Gruden back as and put him in charge of everything, and then within 3 years we will be back to the big game… but alas we all know none of this will happen so we will be here again the sametime next year having this same discussion oh well we can dream right?….

by Tardster on Jan 11, 2010 2:01 PM PST reply actions  

Oh Boy!!!

Not the boycott talk again!?!?!
 Either your a fan or you aren’t. This is the man who built this organization. If you want to boycott, then just buy tickets across the bay.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Saint, just checked on Rodgers, drafted #24 by Green Bay in 2005. Al drafted Fabian Washington at #23 that year. Al sure was in a hurry to get him. By the way, when was Al hot after Warner? Was it when he was signed by the Giants or the Cardinals? Maybe Al noticed his talent from the Arena Football League and wanted him then. Al wanted Warner so bad that he signed/traded for a lot of high quality players like Moss, Culpeppper, Brooks, Hall, etc. Saint, I just realized you’re a blogger. You spout opinions and not necessarily fact. Man I sure was fooled. I thought you knew what you were talking about.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

HAHAHA!!!! You really don't klnow squat do you:

You actually had to look up the things that we already know.

Al tried to get Warner before he went to AZ or New York.

Al tried to trade for Rodgers before the 2007 season. IN fact, he was who he wanted for Moss. There do you feel more educated now?

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Al Davis tried to get a Super Bowl winning quarterback in an obvious attempt to recreate the success he had going to Gannon late in his career, and also tried to land a benchwarmer (that was obviously going to be a good player once he stopped getting held down) before Brett Favre left?

HE IS THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He also agreed to terms with Sean Payton, before Payton backed out:

And made an offer for Drew Brees.

He brought in Greg Ellis and Richard Seymour this year, yet gets no credit for that either.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, I give him tons of credit for Greg Ellis and Richard Seymour. The problem is, he is surrounded by yes men. He needs an honest filter. Someone who knows what they are talking about.

He might make good moves sometimes, but it’s on at least a 60-40 tilt. He’s not the omniscient presence you seem to perpetuate he is.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that:

He took Tee Martin’s advice on JaMarcus Russell…TEE FREAKING MARTIN!!!!

He also took Randy Hanson’s advice on keeping Cable last year.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think Cable is the best coach we’ve had post Super Bowl. Whether you like his methods or not, he HAS the locker room, and that is huge with me. He gets that team to play. We upset quite a few teams, and while that doesn’t make being 5-12 okay, it makes me believe that Cable can do with this team what few before 2002 can. I think we should see what he can do for one more year.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Kiffin was and Cable is the Fall-Out from Kiffin:

But I do like Cable, and so do the players.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I just think that he is out matched at the NFL level.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. I would say 3 out of our 5 wins (Cinci, Philly, and Pittsburgh) were teams with coaches that would be regarded around the league as much better than Cable. He found a way to beat those teams. He beat the Super Bowl champs with a 5-12 campaign. I can’t help but think that deserves at least one more year, as it’s better than anything we’ve had since 2002. With that being said, though, I would drop him in a millisecond for the second coming of Chucky. I’d keep him over Tressel, though.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

How about Fassel?

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I could go either way with him. I would give Fassel the nod if Al made a conscious effort to draft the players that Fassel wanted and build the team Fassel’s way. I just don’t see that happening realistically though.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You want a guy with cajones, right?

Why would we want a guy that would do anything, including every little thing Al says, just to coach an NFL team. What other team would hire Fassel? That should answer the question.

by Rusty23 on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, Who would want Cable?

He would be an O_line Coach anywhere else. Not even an OC, which he has been doing as well as coaching!!!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

He brought our team together

Players are playing hard…we’ve got leaders on our team. I say bring a solid OC here who can call plays. And let cable do what hes been doing cuz i feel like iv seen improvement

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

That's it:

Pass on the play calling duties and take control of the offensive line.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

so u want cable to get fired for not calling the "right" plays?

Wow, ud start this cycle all over again just cuz Cable didnt do so well calling plays during his FIRST FULL year as a head coach ever?

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

he was a head coach in college. So nice try.

But none the less, Cable never should have had play calling responsibilities. His play calling was just incredibly horrid. I’m starting to wonder also if he has any talent evaluation skills.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 11, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea idaho vandals

Im sure you can tell he doesnt have any talent evaluation skills from ur TV. So nice try dumbass

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

great point. Though I'm not 100% sold on Cable, but remain mostly critical of him as a play caller

I think those suggesting keeping Cable for the recquisite amount of time to fairly judge a coach’s overall, something we haven’t done for oh, about 8 years, is the right thing to do at this point.

we shouldn’t settle on the best coach willing to come into the situation here; we should ride it out and wait until the right guy is there.

We lack a solid play caller, a GM, and maybe even a line coach, which, I agree is puzzling, being Cable was a line coach, and you see the worst production and showings from a line in the league.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 11, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

being Cable was a line coach, and you see the worst production and showings from a line in the league.

Cable actually admitted he my have meddled too much in w/ the o-line and wore too many hats. But the fact is no one really wans to come to Oakland to coach, so instead of going through this again and again, we could keep him w/ an OC as well. No OC then no Cable.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 11, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've wondered about that. You also wonder if he was completely content with the personnel

Or just performing the role of yes man. I remain optimistic if he gets a playcaller. I like the Trestman rumors, now I’d like to get a substantiated report from a source with a name!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Meddling with the O-Line would

have been a good thing.

49 sacks is a massive failure. The levees failed in 2009, and our QBs drowned.

by xville on Jan 13, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

And he said he had to much involvement in the o-line, thus NOT making it a good thing. Did you read my comment before you replied to it?

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 13, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, so his involvement

lead to a league high number of sacks.

What does that say?

If that says he couldn’t handle the one extra thing he should have had a handle on.

by xville on Jan 13, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose

if you don’t live to even those expectations.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 14, 2010 4:49 AM PST up reply actions  

this whole season

says he couldn’t handle any thing he should have had a handle on.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 14, 2010 4:48 AM PST up reply actions  

he handled the press opposite of Kiffin

I didn’t like his way any better – one extreme followed by another. He’s plays way to safe in every aspect of his job. His treasure is buried in the ground and his master has returned for an account.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 14, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes I looked up the facts. Try it sometime you may find it enlightening.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't need to look most of them up:

I gave you the facts, you didn’t know them, you formed your own opinion and you were wrong. Al wanted those players.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course Al wanted them. That is not the point. The point is he couldn’t recognize a lack of talent or work ethic. Al wanted Cable too or he wouldn’t be the Coach. The whole issue is not that Al wants this person or that person. The issue is he is not the talent scout he once was.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that: Few were as great as he was:

Then they invented computers, then the internet. I wonder if he still uses actual film and note cards?

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

come on

he still uses an over head projector.

And

The thing that stuck out to me all game was the fact that these were two quarterbacks that Al Davis has endlessly pursued. You can say that he needs someone to come in and handle the game planning and coaching, but the man does, certainly, have an eye for talent.

is not a fact. It is a statement, that is unverified. Much like this post. No link to back it up, and it’s all hearsay. Which is not proof. It’s not even allowed in the courts.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 11, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And this is the court of public opinion..Isn't it?

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

don’t pass something off as fact when you can’t prove it’s a fact.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

well, even a link doesn't substantiate

it just gives you info about someone else’s speculation

by Spirals galore on Jan 12, 2010 6:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

when I post something I try to link articles that directly quote someone.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

quoting somebody-ha!

What if the somebody is a liar? Then you engage in disseminating falsehoods.
Just kidding. I believe that there is truth, but I also know that when someone starts verbalizing it, it comes out crooked. Ditto here…

by Spirals galore on Jan 12, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear

can often hold true in all matters Silver and Black. It is for the reader to decipher that which bears, at the very least, a grain of truth…

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by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

or the lack thereof, of course

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

go look at my postings

I try not quote he said she said things. I try to post things that have direct quotes of someone stating something pertaining to the matter. Like Schilens commenting on Russell and Nnamdi commenting on keeping Cable around.

I

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

in other words

you try to inform us of the fact that somebody relevant said something relevant about something else relevant. How’s that different from gossip?
Plus, what effort do you make to verify the info?

by Spirals galore on Jan 12, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

when it's a direct quote

it’s as verified as it can be. There’s always a margin of error that’s acceptable. But I don’t call something a fact when I can’t verify it at all.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

but did you not say (I'll paraphrase) that even a quote

is hearsay? That content in a quote isn’t necessarily true just because someone reports the exactly stated words?
I posted months ago about “authoritative opinion” and the virtue of valuing one’s own opinion more than any other until persuaded to another – I was vilified for doing so. Yet, I am without shame in holding that same view. The alternative is hesitation and “he who hesitates is lost.” As someone wiser than me once quipped.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

well I don't know

you’ll have to quote me directly for me to analyze what I said. If someone quotes Schliens on saying “no comment” or Nnamdi’s quote about saying he wants Cable to stay, then it’s likely to be true. If someone quotes someone else saying something, then it’s hearsay.

Why are we even continuing this incessant argument? It is because I picked on a fellow Davis lover or do you just get your rocks off keeping an useless argument going. The fact is there’s no proof that Davis went relentlessly after Rodgers or Warner which is how this whole thing started any way. Is it really wrong to want some kind of verification when stating a fact instead of an opinion? You’ll notice in my post about considerations Al might have about keeping or losing Cable, I didn’t make a fact. It was something that may be considered. I didn’t say Al would consider these definitely because I didn’t know if he would or wouldn’t. Only Al himself does.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 13, 2010 4:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just wondering...

Are you on Al Davis’ payroll? You must be. You’re latched on his teat like a baby calf.

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

I wish I were, so I could be over-payed ;)

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahaha. well played. tips cap

by slapchop on Jan 11, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he spent a first rounder on Seymour playing in the last year of his contract. We may even get to keep Seymour if Al continues to overpay like he has.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, we could have just been terrible this year:

Seymour was a solifiying presense. Did he overpay? Yes. Is Seymour happy a team leader? Yes.

In fact, his first round picks have been so bad, it was probably a great trade!?!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You may be right on that one. Seymour played better than Heyward-Bey did. (Respectively of course.)

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

So, should we keep Cable?

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not against keeping Cable if he would be allowed a free hand. I really can’t see another coach coming in here and not having his hands tied by Al. Which is worse?

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Just call it like I see it Slappy:

I respect what he has done and I am a Raider fan. I also get ticked at him and realize that the Genius Behind Bill Walsh and many other great minds has slipped and he needs help.

Trust me, I am all for John Gruden coming in here and running the show, but it looks more like we’d land a Jim Fassell.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Dude, it's been fun.

I’m gonna have to keep coming back here. This stuff is fun! By the way, what’s the latest word from the news conference?

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Nothing yet:

I’ll keep you posted.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is it so important

for hardcore fans of the team to point out when Davis is still right? And if he was so on the mark about Aaron Rodgers, then why didn’t we draft him.

Al Davis is a complete and utter disaster, by far the biggest in all of sports. I commend Cable for being able to work with him and for overcoming the monumental institutional dysfunction to at least have guys ready to play and playing hard.

I imagine we’ll fire him, though, have another humiliating coaching search that brings in a fossil or a nobody, botch another draft, and then struggle to another ten-loss season.

The only thing that could prove me wrong would be hiring Harbaugh.

by RLangford on Jan 11, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

Rodgers

If Al likes Rodgers so much, how come he took Fabian Washington with the 23rd pick in 2005 and not Rodgers who went 24th to Green Bay?

by PRV on Jan 11, 2010 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

Umm, he already got into it with Whosits, who adeptly pointed that fact out already

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by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

THANK U!

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 11, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Harbaugh and Ryan have both

proven you can still run in this league, but surprisingly Cable has decided you cannot. After every loss Cable would stand at the podium and say that he abandoned the run because the other team was playing 8 in the box. Every team the Ravens or Jets play are playing 8 in the box, and that doesn’t stop them. It is patently false that you cannot run against a team who puts 8 in the box unless you have a poor OL which in the Raiders case is accurate, but that is supposedly Cable’s strength, what happened? I just think Cable is a poor offensive coordinator, poor play caller. I felt he has misused McFadden and Bush. I don’t think he is terribly innovative either. I am indifferent anymore as to what the Raiders do, and I suspect many others have the same feeling. I got to believe Al understands the problem, and probably feels the need to do something dramatic this off season or he is looking at 8 non sell outs next year.

by Laoren on Jan 11, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

General Manager

What do you think of hiring Marty Shottenheimer as our next General Manager? We both want the same thing, revenge against the Chargers! Then we can also hire his son, currently the offensive coordinator for the Jets, as our next head coach.

by LRubi on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Al hates Marty and Marty feels likewise.

by Whosits on Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Marty's turned in his coaching hats, for good too

and enjoying spending time with his family, and seeing his grandchildren and their children grow up; something you don’t get to do as a HC.

Oh, and Al wants Marty like he wants a stroke, or another hip replacement surgery…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

long story short

we can all agree that with or without Cable, we need an Offensive Coordinator and an upgrade in the offensive line.

by Sbay on Jan 11, 2010 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

Whether or not Cable stays isn’t as important as who is calling the plays next season.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 11, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

flawed

Firstly, you know as well as I do, Uncle Al says we’re not drafting a lineman. Cables choice is to go on TV and say the O Line sux, but we aren’t gonna draft a lineman, (bring on the projector) or go with the company line because arguing the point in the media is like handing the guy with the black hood the axe (see projector). Secondly, if the aforementioned line is sub-par at 3 of 5 spots your running game is gonna struggle. Thirdly, Darren McFadden is Reggie Bush, with better hands and route running. If he stops running into the backs of his Linemen, he will improve vastly. This is tough love though, Raider Fan For Life.

by the red guy on Jan 11, 2010 5:37 PM PST reply actions  

Well

McFadden does fall down quickly and drop that ball way too much. We should ship McFadden for a 3rd round pick.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 11, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Eye for talent my ass! Get off of old Al’s teet Saint! He along with every other team knew these 2 guys were talented, so what? Where is the proof he tried to get AR? A rumor on a wiki page? That’s s shaky at best. Where is the proof he tried to sign Warner?

Even if these 2 “facts” are true, it still doesn’t excuse his drafting of lazy bust Russell, or even worse his pathetic reach for a WR

by FitzFan on Jan 11, 2010 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

Russell surprised almost everyone - and most on these pages included

Moreover, the fact that he’s considered by the entire football community to be the biggest all-time bust proves it – because you can’t be a bust unless the expectations were great and you can’t be the biggest bust unless the expectations were generally shared and high. So, Al was the unfortunate owner who tried to get the best he could for us and opened his depleting purse only to be shocked with the rest of football land.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

well said. I know I drank the Kool-Aid, for about a season too long...

But it was tough, because then it was mostly coming from haters.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

But here comes the crime again

it does seem Davis wants to keep Russell around a little longer and try to develop him more. Even though there seems to be no help. Now I understand you think Al can’t do anything wrong, but at what point do you chalk some of Al’s actions to what you call stupidity too? Or is he beyond contempt?

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand it's Saint's blog

but there are times he post things that can never seem to be backed up and there’s never a link. Here say is not proof. Ask the United States court system.

Russell being a bust? No one knew. I think the money thrown in his face was too much for his immaturity. DHB was a mistake IN THAT DRAFT POSITION. I still think he can be an okay WR with the right QB. However, there were questions of Russell’s work ethic and his numbers were not spectacular in college either. But it may be time to cut our losses. If there is no cap, it’ll cost us 18 mil to let him go if he doesn’t want to restructure. But if we keep him and he doesn’t restructure we won’t pay him that much to be a backup.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 11, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

no

but it’s a good meter stick. Hearsay isn’t accepted in professional journalism. How many article do you believe when they come from a “anonymous source inside xyz organization” ?

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 4:59 AM PST up reply actions  

So then you just say it's speculation not fact

how hard is that? Don’t call something fact if you can’t prove it’s fact.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow! This certainly doesn't help us with candidates willing to come!

Especially if a paycheck is an important factor!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, Mike, who pissed in your Cheerios?

It is merely a “Take”…Something that was on my “Mind”. Not proof in a court of law in an ongoing trial of Al Davis’ lunacy. I think that he still has an eye for talent and I found it interesting as I watched that game that the players he was rumored to want were squaring off. I also found it interesting that the Coach he reportedly wanted was coaching the Steelers and also that another combo of coach and QB that he wanted are in New Orleans together.

He did have an agreement with Payton before Payton backed 0ut. You do remember that right, or do I have to find you a link?

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Not Steelers, Cardinals...

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:16 AM PST up reply actions  

But

now you’re calling a rumor, which it is, and that’s fine. It’s rumor let’s move on. But it is not a fact and should not be called a fact and should definitely not be called a fact when you’re using it to make a point (which is the obvious fact you despise Cable).

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I suspect...

… that Cable’s gone. No brainer…But Al Davis, dangling and torturing Cable late into the evening (as they were suppose to meet today, I guess “today” still has 4-1/2 hours to go), is evidence of a sick and demented mind. What was Cable?…Something like the 23rd Raiders head coach in 10 years? The common denominator here is AL DAVIS, and his obsession with QBs who can throw the ball 50 yards from their knees.

Just sell, Al. The Raiders will never be competitive until Al Davis gets out of football.

by gregorymark on Jan 11, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

Cable deserves to dangle and suffer torments - for the suffering inflicted on us with his

stupidity throughout the season. Stupidity is a horrible crime, worse perhaps than the other well know capital sins.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Stupidity

can use be used as a defense.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 5:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha, You suggest that Cable pleads his stupidity as a defense

What has this organization become to you, a social service half-way house for football wanna bee’s with marginal talent and Cretan minds?

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2010 5:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say it was his defense.

I’m saying stupidity isn’t a crime, it could be used a defense. Ignorance is a crime.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

When someone is ignorant about something they should know and

doesn’t correct their ignorance then they’re stupid. If Cable was incapable of correcting his ignorance then, as a moron, he shouldn’t have been coaching and it’s not his fault that he called moronic plays. But if his ignorance could have been corrected and he neglected doing then he deserves tar and feathers and an Amtrack out of Oakland.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

see you understand

that stupid and moron are true medical terms for low IQ’s and can be used as a defense by mental defect. Ignorance is a crime because not knowing or learning is a crime. Any one how choses to be complacent and not attempt to at least better their understanding or education is a worthless person. Knowledge is power. A person who cannot comprehend past where they are is an unfortunate person who I feel badly for.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

criminially ignorant.

I stated that in not so many words after the Cleveland disaster. To call him stupid gives him a defense. Ignorance is not a defense. If you get caught in a house full of contraband do you think “well I didn’t know” will hold up in court?

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 13, 2010 4:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I say

have Al kiss and make up with Chuckie and bring him back as HC. trade JRuss or better known as “the failure” and keep Seymour in silver and black. he looks good in these colors. also love McFadden but you gotta give Fargas more plays. he’s just sick. I’ll support Al no matter what he does, no Al no Raiders people.

by RaiderJ11 on Jan 11, 2010 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

I’ll support Al no matter what he does, no Al no Raiders people.

That’s a dangerous comment to make. Just because we’re Raiders fans doesn’t mean we have to agree with what the owner of team does. Did you agree w/ this year’s draft picks because Al made them? If so…well I’m sorry.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 5:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Cable deserves another year

If he’s willing to let others call the plays next year. I would actually say that Cable is the ideal dead coach as long as he has good coordinators. This is not a qualified opinion.

by Donald Driver on Jan 11, 2010 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

I agree that's the only way

he should stay.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 5:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Right, as a cheerleader! Or as a Bench Coach in baseball!

Give him no game planning opportunities, no play calling responsibilities and relegate him to figurehead.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah, We'll Bring In Mike Leach For That One!!!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

You're both wrong for that!

But am I laughing? Of course I am!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

man it sucks that we traded our 2005 1st round pick for 2 years of sub par randy moss when we could have gotten aaron rodgers. oh well can't dwell on it

hopefully we keep bruce and if we do get a new coach, hopefully he will start bruce and have a more versatile offensive game plan, or just keep tom and get better coordinators.

by duballers23 on Jan 12, 2010 12:56 AM PST reply actions  

In a way I hope thye keep Cable

He’s a good leader and he knows how to handle players. He just needs a good offensive and defensive coordinator. Probably won’t be able to get big names, but maybe good assistant coaches from good teams who are ready to become coordinators.

by duballers23 on Jan 12, 2010 1:03 AM PST reply actions  

I don't have a problem with our defense coordinator

he’s bound by the system too. Though he was willing to defy it more than Ryan ever was. It’s another reason we need a GM. When we blitzed strong, we won. When we had Kiffin and he wanted to blitz we were ahead or not far behind until we got into the prevent defense.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 5:04 AM PST up reply actions  

our d coord. is a 2 time super bowl champ as DC.

and you want change? as shitty as our D was number wise, it got better than the previous year with rob.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 12, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

And that's because

Marshall is willing to go against the system installed by Al by bringing up the blitz more.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

DHB

Why are some people already pulling the plug on Bey and calling him a dud? He’s a rookie, but I will agree he was drafted too high. At least he isn’t hanging out at Vegas when he could be at the last team meeting like JR was.

by Walker Wallace on Jan 12, 2010 6:09 AM PST reply actions  

Actually, I saw great improvement in DHB This year:

He learned how to block, use his body to get in position to make catches and run good routes.

Now what he needs, imo, I don’t have a link for this ( ;) ), is turn off his head and make the catch.

At the tailgate someone said that he has been taking 700-800 balls a day of of the football throwing machine. Once again no link, so that is heresay and not admissible in the court of law.

Was he a reach? Yeah. Would he have been available in the second round? Maybe.

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 12, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I thinkwith a proper QB

he could be a good WR. Of course he’s having problems this year. He’s a rookie, spent the first half of the season w/ Russell as QB.

He got his first TD w/ Gradkowski though.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't have a link, either, but the buzz from respected GM types and the personnel guys in the media

Say this guy is doing what it takes. I’d love to see him working out. I’m gonna try to compile some info on that in the offseason, at which point I’ll post, I hope…

At the very least, I think I can get some quotes from guys like Mayock, Casserly, Kirwan, and maybe even Allen.

It’s also how he’ll keep his job; that kind of presence on the practice field is worth it’s weight in gold.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I remember

Cable saying something DHB is working hard,but I can’t recall where I read that, so you’ll have to take it with a grain of salt.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is precisely why I'll wait to post it, but it's something I've just heard from too many reputable sources

That I know when I finally go to look into it, a body of evidence will be there.

I’ll appreciate much more,however; when his play on the field, speaks for itself.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we are getting excessive here

Mike has to come to terms with the fact that links in this day and age don’t mean much (o tempora, o mores—how true, Aristophanes!). Or we can leave him alone in his delusion; but it’s delicious to push his buttons.

by Spirals galore on Jan 12, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

As pointed out in comments past, I believe Mike perpetually calls us on our bs

It’s definitely in his nature; but I, for one, appreciate the balance it brings to discussions. While Saints words were meant to be a “take” as he put it, he did use the words “fact,” in referring to how Saint said Al pursued Rodgers and Warner, and Mike merely pointed out, that it would more accurately be called, “hearsay,” as it were…

Now I didn’t read that heavily into his “take,” but I too had to poke some fun at the way we get critical sometimes.

I do believe, taking Fabian Washington before Rodgers or Warren is much more a fact, and speaks volumes as to how certain Mr. Davis was about these two, but the point is moot. I believe Al wanted these guys, but what difference does it make now?

While I’m sometimes perplexed at how seriously some can read into a fanpost on a blog, I appreciate that you can’t get one line by Mike that he won’t call you on. Not anybody!

You have to admit, it’s not the same when something goes unchecked!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

but that's why I said it's fun to push his buttons!

I appreciate Mike very much—I think the blog loses much when he is not around.

by Spirals galore on Jan 12, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I know. And I must say I enjoy watching it happen! and you certainly possess an innate ability to do so

Not that it would appear all that difficult!

I thought the part in Mike’s post apologizing to the readers that might be bipolar or a drug addicts, when using it as a metaphor was just classic! I didn’t see that coming!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I did see some improvement, too. I’m glad I’m not the only one. If DHB and Murphy become at least good WR, we could have a very good 1 2 punch. I love the part where you said “turn off his head”. It reminded me of Last Samurai when Cruise’s character was told too many mind.

by Walker Wallace on Jan 13, 2010 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

DHB was brought in to make the big arm of Russell

an even bigger threat.

I’d like to see some of those cannon shots brought down.

by xville on Jan 12, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

well before

DHB can catch them (or attempt to not drop them) Russell would first have to get the ball to him. Not to the right or left of him, not behind him, not in front of him, and not 10 feet over his head.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Let the haters on DHB hate. He'll shut them up next year...

Provided that is, Jacan’t hit the open guy doesn’t play anymore. DHB, unlike Jam, works his ass off, and will continue to do so until he’s among the elite in the league.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you

DHB drops balls, and he’s a rookie, so we’ll see how he does w/ the offseason. However I wonder how bad his foot is and wonder if he’ll be durable. Time will tell. I wish the best for him.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

God I hope we don't waste a pick on a wideout, too

And leave empty the gaping holes we have on both lines and on D.

I would take Cribbs to help out in the return game, but only if he came as a bargain.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 12, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

saint

we will never be a “run first” team, as long as Al is alive. he is a pass happy owner that got his fame on the “deep threat”. no matter who coaches and who is playing pitch and catch, we will throw more than we run, like it or not.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 12, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

Indeed.

Which is why Russell is killing us.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 12, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You can't blame Cable

He only has so much to work with. The blame for this teams state of health is AL DAVIS. Al calls the shots and he is the #1 problem. 2nd problem is Jwhale Russell. He is a bust, plain and simple. Russell is a cancer and needs to go away. DO you really believe that Cable stood by Jwhale Russell all these games because he wanted to? Cable knows it, hell the whole team knows it. We need a on-field LEADER and he is not it.That is the start of curing this team.

I bleed Silver and Black

by Raiderdoctor on Jan 12, 2010 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

no no no

the time of blaming Al for Cable has come and gone. Al did allow Cable to call the plays, and Cable was epic fail in that regard. Cable made the choice to shun Bush, not Al. Cable chose too late to ask to bench Russell. Granted week 3 or 4 it wouldn’t have ever happened, but still it was Cable who had to make the decision to at least get permission. Let’s not kid ourselves here. I backed cable until the Cleveland game when we got the ball on the Cleveland 30 and FAILED to put 7 up. Then, and I swear I thought it was a nightmare when it happened, on the fucking 2. Yes, the fucking 2 yard line, we pass. What. The. Fuck? So that’s why, in regards to a conversation with Sons-of-Blanda (the real one) I call him criminally ignorant. Who doesn’t learn when you have Bush out there to pound the ball you can at least 2 fucking yards?

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 13, 2010 4:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Also a disclaimer

I’m not in any way sticking up for Davis here. I’m just saying Cable made his choices and failed.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 13, 2010 4:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m beginning to wonder if Tim Brown would’ve had some good years with JaRather be in Vegas at the helm.

by Walker Wallace on Jan 13, 2010 7:32 AM PST reply actions  

Russell is just to inconsistent

and hasn’t shown in any game he played that he’s working on this problem.

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by mikesd1981 on Jan 13, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Cable did make his bed, shat in it, and will continue lying in it

He, unfortunately, is not going anywhere. It’s unofficial, Cable survived just cause firing and will coach the Raiders. God help us.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 14, 2010 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

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