Maybe Tom Cable Went "Gruden" On Al Davis:
It has become the stuff of legend around here. You know, the way that Jon Gruden would have his film guys prepare tape to show Mr. Davis that HIS/Gruden's way would work better than what Al wanted to do.
It would behoove Tom Cable to have such a tape made for any meeting with Al Davis.
Some believe that Tom Cable was a yes man, just long enough to give Mr. Davis NO solid defense for his drafting and game planning.
What IF Tom Cable wanted to draft O-Linemen last season and was forced to tow th company line after expressing his praise for Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher and Max Unger.
If so, Tom Cable can make a tape of the performance that each of those young men had in comparison to the right side of our line and win in a landslide.
What if Cable wanted to start Gradkowski from the beginning of the season, yet, was forced to start JaMarcus?
This would not be tough to make a case for. All he would have to do is show some clips of "4-pat, Sand Lot" getting the ball out late or getting sacked and then show how well Gradkowski did when he was given a shot.
Of course, Al will have his own film from the play calling that doomed the team in Cleveland and the notorious "Jano Fake Field Goal", but Cable could hold his own, IF, he did in fact NOT side with Davis on the draft or the game plan.
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In the end it wont matter
Unless Tom Cable has pictures of Al Davis with animals and no clothes on or something that will have him in jail for the rest of his life, it will not matter what he does. Al is going to make his mind up no matter.
Once again next season we shall all be discussing the same topics: Player Personnel, The “Owner”, Defense, OC and possible HCs.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 18, 2010 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No Mental Giant
I forgot to add one more thing. Taking a look at all of this pre-planning you have laid out here there is one big problem. I may not be building rocket ships anytime soon but I know for sure Tom cable is not a mental giant or deep thinking MIT graduate. So I conclude he is not capable of making any of these sly decisions let alone all of them.
So I heavily doubt this would even scrape the surface of possibilities, better to play the lottery than bet that Tom Cable had any or all of these things in place.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 18, 2010 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You "know" this
because you “know” Tom Cable? He made no good decisions this year?
by Rusty23 on Jan 18, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Know that
I “know” what I said to be the truth. I never said he didnt make any good decisions this year. You are taking what I said and turning it into something else.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 19, 2010 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know that to be your opinion.
You can’t know that Cable did or did not do any of these things. Any coach in professional football can do these things. If he was capable of any good decisions this year, why was he not able to put together a case for what he believes?
On another note. This team needs a Lyle Alzado bad. They need a fired up SOB to take control and tear things up.
by Rusty23 on Jan 19, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cable is a good coach i would like to see him let go only to miraculously get a HC job
somewhere like Kiffin and work his way up back to being an NFL HC and Win a SB. That would hurt Al’s feelings deeply and drive him to retire.
by Raider9 on Jan 18, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like him as a Line Coach, BUT, You'd Be Fooling Yourself:
If you thought that he could even get an offensive coordinator job ANYWHERE let alone a Head Coaching gig outside of UC Davis.
Given his make-up, the only gig he makes sense for, that is not a line coach in the NFL, is Head Coach of the Raiders. And even then he went 5-11 with a team that he thinks is Playoff caliber.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 18, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea, saint. What would be on Cable's tape? Obviously, Gradkowski in
the Cincinnati game, and the blitzing in the Phili game – but Al already has seen those games and the just win combined 7 pt win margin. If Tom shows McFadden working outside in the Washington game Al will want to know why he didn’t use McD that way before then, or after. Then there’s the unexplainable play calling in Cleveland! and the failure to ever put two wins together in succession. If, and only if, Cable is on record for wanting to draft some Olinemen and a DT might there be some chance for this tragic character who was given a job he was completely unfit to hold – and, therein is his best defense of all – because Al doesn’t like to admit he is wrong. So, Cable needs to (above all) convince Al that he can do much better this season and that Al was right in choosing him – just like JaMarcass – he too is a late bloomer who will soon bloom. (and Cable must sell this while keeping a straight face).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 18, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is what was on the tape

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 19, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Where all of the removed Lypo Goes To Die!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 19, 2010 5:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your photoshop skills are very impressive, young grassopper!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 19, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what the fuck
you scared and had me pee at the same time.job well done my new friend
by bojackson34 on Jan 26, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis will outlive you all
Every single one of you
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
by Farorefox on Jan 18, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
15, I got u beat
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jan 18, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way, BS how are u an author and only 15.
by Raider9 on Jan 18, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can hardly believe it ourselves. but it's 100% true
He’s a rare talent, both as a writer, and a football mind.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 18, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, it's a well known fact
that after a nuclear war all that would be left is Al Davis and cockroaches…
by KiwiRaiderFan on Jan 18, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and Cher
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
by Farorefox on Jan 18, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Al and Cher, from the ashes, begin generating the human race again
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 18, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
barf....
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 18, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can hardly call that "human"
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
by Farorefox on Jan 19, 2010 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"super human" or "sub human" the offspring might look like Cher and sing like Al
or the other way around.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 19, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there was actually a MYTHBUSTERS
about that subject and the cockroaches died after I forget how much exposure to radiation. It was actually something like fruit flies or something like that that stood up to the radiation. So Al Davis and fruit flies I guess.
by iBleedSnB on Jan 18, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but they didn't get years and generations of mutation
with the radiation feeding the mutation and the mutation feeding off the radiation, in smaller, tolerable doses, until the ultimate breed of cockroach (vaguely resembling Al Davis, but not so vaguely) is spawned.
I love Mythbusters, tho. But it’s impossible to duplicate creation, the way nature does it.
I’d give the edge to Al…over the fruitflies, of course
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 19, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man has never created anythng. He only rearranges what already exists.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 19, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and rarely for the better. maybe as rare as the seven wonders?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 19, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, and I'd give the Native American Indians corn
while a rearrangement, it never existed… so… go Figurs!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 19, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If thats the case why would al fire him. The thing is this if you are the head coach and he won’t let you run the team just quit and let him find someone who wants to be your puppets. I like Cable but if he can’t have control this team he doesn’t need to be over it.
by Micheal Y on Jan 18, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why quit?
if you don’t get fired you get paid. If you do get fired you can attempt to get paid, a being fired from the Raiders doesn’t blemish your resume….Well Cable blemished his own, but in general, most other GM’s understand.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 19, 2010 4:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at Lane Kiffin
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
by Farorefox on Jan 19, 2010 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he was good
He would ignore Al, and do what he thinks is best for the team. The only thing Al would say is he better be right.
by markdog333 on Jan 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a fine line between
blatant defiance and being a maverick.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 19, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure on tape but...
One thing Al does look at is the math. I wrote an article on this at another site:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/318733-oakland-raiders-offensive-line-woes-has-become-a-pattern
Al spent over 30 million in O-line salaries in 2008 and 2009. The bottom line is the O-line has been underperforming even before then. My theory is Al demanded Cable coach up the guys he has and who he already talked into Al signing. Cornell Green and Cooper Carlise are Cable’s guys, not Al’s.
We know Green sucks but maybe Al is using that as a reason not to draft a RT. We know he likes Henderson at LT. Gallery of course is going to stay regardless becauise of the investment in him already. Center has been a problem though.
by Al's Wingman on Jan 18, 2010 6:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This sounds to me to be at least somewhat accurate
But if those guys were truly Cable’s guys, and he is responsible for staying with them, or not “coaching them up,” as you put it, wouldn’t he be on the chopping block, as is speculated?
Lot’s of us stood behind Cable and his vocalizing being okay with the personnel up front going into the season, even though many of us had serious reservations about their quality and depth. Khalif never even won a starting spot! We’ve got to do better. Get on with the projects, and address them with some young talent, not rejects. Iupati in the first round, if we can’t get McClain; if not use the second on the OT, unless the DT is a better talent.
We need guys that can compete for starting positions immediately, not next season, or the next after that.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 18, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction!
Both Green and Carlisle were signed in 2007 making them Kiffin and Al’s guys. But you are correct that Al probably asked Cable to coach them up, which is understandable since they had a good running game in 2008.
by Sbay on Jan 19, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Green and Carlise
I should have explained it better. This is just my recollection of whatever quotes from his meets with the media reported to local beat writers. Cable’s assessment of Green and Carlise have been highly complimentary. In fact, he even called Green’s play in one particular game “excellent” despite a handful of false starts. Carlisle is less of a liability than Green. He’s actually not too bad, a blue collar type and he’s nasty which Cable likes.
If we are going to upgrade then we desperately need OTs (obvious to everyone perhaps but I wonder if Cable will want to stick with Green in particular which really worries me).
I also agree that we need competition across the entire OL.
by Al's Wingman on Jan 29, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about the raiders is that Al doesn't see his blindside, and it is huge.
He has a particular game philosophy, and it is easy to decipher because the coaches he uses have to conform to it, with some variation allowed.
It is easy to plan against, especially now that Al is even less of a spring chicken.
The game is about adaptability, adjustments, and exploitation. Philosophies are great, but they shouldn’t straightjacket you into record losses, humiliating blowouts and horrible draftpicks and free agent acquisitions.
by xville on Jan 18, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not convinced (and it can't be proven anyway) that Al's philosophy doesn't work
Failure lies in the material and it’s improper usage.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 18, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's A LOT of coaches over the last 7 years
that were unable to properly use the material and have been successful else where. Did they shut their brains off when they were in Oakland? There’s more evidence supporting the fact that Al’s system isn’t working than there is that supports it is working.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on Jan 19, 2010 4:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Al has acquired material in an imbalanced way with emphasis on speed while
neglecting mass. The physics involved is doomed. That much I’ll grant you and the Al haters. Even with a line of sumo wrestlers we would make the playoffs given the players in both backfields, our so-so D, and a reasonable HC. If McFadden had a line like Baltimore or the Jets have he’d be posting stats like Ray Rice and Shonn Greene.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 19, 2010 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you're granting me
it’s imbalanced, how can you expect any coach to properly utilize the talent, if the talent is wrong to begin with?
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 19, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cable did not work anywhere close to optimally with what he had to work with
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 19, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When your Defensive Coordinator has to
worry about getting yelled at for blitzing, and your pro-bowl corner complains about a defense being predictable, that is a symptom of conceptual arthritis hobbling a team.
by xville on Jan 20, 2010 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true. Cable is a failure.
But over the last 7 years all the coaches we had…
Cable won’t excel anywhere except in a food tasting job. But all the other coaches we’ve had in the last 7 years, sans Shell who never went back to coaching after being fired the 2nd time, have excelled and managed to use the talent at their disposal. So how is that they don’t seem to be able to use the talent correctly in Oakland? Are you saying that there’s a magical clause that don’t see when they sign the contract that makes them dumb?
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 20, 2010 4:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which former Oakland HC's other than Shanahan have excelled in your
opinion as HCs? Norville Turner?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 20, 2010 5:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I fucking say Head Coach?
And Callahan was HC in Nebraska, and went to 2 bowl games back to back winning one. Now he’s the o-line coach for the Jets. Seems to be doing alright there. Kiffin, even at 7-6, went to a bowl game w/ the Vols, Turner is still getting SD into the playoffs. Even if he’s not getting them to the SB, he’s still keeping the team better than Oakland right now, isn’t he?
You have to stop putting words in my mouth and twisting what I say to fit your need for an argument. I know you think Al Davis is beyond reproach and the reincarnation of Jesus himself, but you’re wrong.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 20, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your coaching thesis is weak and actually fails the more one
considers it. Callahan never made it in the pros after leaving Oakland. Kiffin never made it in the pros after leaving Oakland. Turner will always come up short because he’s nothing great either. Who else? Rob Ryan? Some other former Raider assistant coach whose pro team is doing well? Maybe that coach was doing okay in Oakland too but left when the new HC regime came in. Don’t throw apples and oranges together for your proofs. You’re blowing blue smoke.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 20, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say they were going to the pro or winning championships
but you can’t deny they’re being successful working in a system where they’re allowed some leeway and have the right talent there to use.
No doubt some coaches are not good head coaches, but have success in other positions. Like Callahan as O-line coach at the Jets. He was horrible head coach, no doubt. But he’s being successful with the proper talent. This is the second time he’s gone to the playoffs with them. Had he not called the the team stupid he may have been forgiven his 4-12 record. No, Kiffin didn’t go to the pros, but he did have some minor success even here and took the Vols to a bowl game his first year. Granted 7-6 isn’t spectacular, but it’s a winning record and bowl game. Yeah Turner is still missing the big game at San Diego, but he changed some things and went 8-8 for one year and turned it back around. Is he a great coach? No probably not, but he is succeeding there. So tell me why these coaches never had success here?
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 21, 2010 4:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
None of those named coaches are good HCs
and when they relocated and became specialties coaches with a different group of players and, of course, a different HC, they enjoyed some collective success..But the factors of different players and playing under a different HC could account for their success; also the fact that you are evaluating their coaching by their new team’s record makes it difficult to determine how good they did individually. Recall, your original thesis (I’ll paraphrase) “all coaches that failed in Oakland thrived elsewhere because it wasn’t their lack of coaching ability but rather Al Davis’ interference with their coaching that caused them to fail” You have not proven that because you make the comparison (even with Al taken out of the equation) with significantly changed circumstances.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 21, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But each of them have been HC somewhere
and achieved success. Callahan in Nebraska, Kiffin in Tennessee, Turner in San Diego. So if it’s not the pros, success doesn’t count? And why does it make it difficult to see how they did individually when you can see if the item of their specialty improved?
Turner went back the 9ers as OC, and their offense exploded. Callahan took over as O-line coach/assistant HC and Sanchez has plenty of time to make decisions and a great ground game. When Kiffin was here and did manage to get his way, we put points on the board. It’s too bad he ended up being a selfish prick. But it is what it is. And your paraphrase is correct for the most part. I’m saying that Davis, despite that you think he doesn’t and just sits in a chair in an office and lets’ the place run itself, does interfere . Gruden himself said that, but he was able to compile film and talk to the man reasonably to get his way. Kiffin was to brash to do it, Turner was to timid, and Cable’s to stupid to do it. First Cable would have to learn what a play is. I don’t think Davis needs to retire or anything, I think he needs to relinquish some of his hold on the team planing, find a GM and a competent coach that would want to come here(which may happen if we have a GM) and then we’d be on the right path. And he has to allow a coach to establish a system and get the team on the same page. Some may learn slower than others, some may not be compatible with the system. Davis is impatient and wants it all done overnight and he’s trying to boil the pot too fast. Let it simmer and cook itself.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 21, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches who succeed while working with the proper talent
Hm. I see what you mean.
At the same time, however, coaching is like teaching—it’s easy when you have A-graders in the class, you don’t need to do much else than just teach your stuff, and they follow.
The real challenge, and the much more realistic scenario in teaching, is to have those C- and D- graders and somehow convince them to do more than they are used to. It’s a lot more work for the teacher, but the extra time and effort are worth it.
You were not saying that Calahan can’t work with C- and D-players, right?
by Spirals galore on Jan 21, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I’m saying that you can’t make a system work if you don’t have the right personnel.
We’re misfiring badly on draft and free agencies and the coaches are being told “this is what you got, do something with it”
It’s like a chef being told to make a certain dish, but don’t have the right ingredients. The dish may be get made but it won’t be 5 stars like it would if you have the right ingredients. We may have a system but it won’t be a good system unless we have the right personnel for it. The coach should be allowed to implement a system and draft and pick the right player and coaches to fit the system.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 21, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re misfiring badly on draft and free agencies and the coaches are being told "this is what you got, do something with it""
Sounds exactly like the situation I get when I teach:)
by Spirals galore on Jan 21, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i.e.
An instructor is not the one who recruits the students.
by Spirals galore on Jan 21, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but this isn't school.
It’s a job. A manager recruits his employees.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 21, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At any rate, the most successful people in any line of business
are able to work with what they have, while looking to recruit people who are right to help. You are right though, in one respect—sometimes stubborn overhead personnel gets in the way and severely restricts the way you perform your job, no matter how outspoken you are. Hey, some people even lost their jobs for being outspoken!
by Spirals galore on Jan 21, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Cable couldn't fail with the Jets linemen
most of them 1st round picks.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 21, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so that just lends credence
to having the right personnel.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 21, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post Saint
I would hope that Cable is as crafty as Gruden but it doesn’t fit his personality. For all of his shortcomings I credit Cable for showing some evolution as a coach and for that I think he still has potential to improve. I know you don’t see him as more than a O-line coach but I think Cable is wise enough to learn from his mistakes AND understand his limitations. My perception is that if he stays, the offense will be called by someone else and that Cable will continue to delegate some of the duties he performed this year.
Remember, John Madden received no respect for his coaching abilities, however, he proved most wrong by showing his intelligence and ability to deal with difficult personalities over the years as a broadcaster. Madden inherited a great team. Cable inherited a mess full of players that have nothing more than their own agenda and don’t feel the hurt of a loss as much as the fans who support them.
It is not fair to compare them but they both fit Davis image of a coach. It takes a rare man to deal with the complex ways of Davis. One has to put their ego aside but remain assertive enough to not let Davis overwhelm their use of the personnel. Madden was brilliant at it. Cable has shown that capacity at least dealing with the press.
The inherent problem is that Madden was dealing with Davis when he was his absolute best in player talent in a league far less complex than today. Cable is dealing with a man who has been living in the past and has failed to acknowlege his shortcomings over the past decade.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
by Gerard on Jan 18, 2010 10:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes, living in the past
like Gloria Swanson’s character in Sunset Boulevard
by Spirals galore on Jan 19, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ready for my close-up Mr. DeMille!
by Rusty23 on Jan 19, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Complex? Give me a break
Where are you getting the complexity? Belichich says that coaches today do 95% of the same things they did thirty years ago. I don’t see how complex it is to invest in the offensive line like the Jets and Giants have done and to run the ball effectively.
Give me a break with that bs.
by Sbay on Jan 19, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Responding to me?
I guess I’ll answer you anyway. He first said the complexity of dealing with Al as an owner. Bill Belichick doesn’t have the same probelm with Bill Kraft. Also, you don’t think the complexity of player management has changed? Young guys getting rich while having long term contracts versus guys making less money having to play for a contract? Players are faster and bigger than they were before.
Let’s say things haven’t changed in terms of the complexity of the game. Al used to have help, Ron Wolf etc. He doesn’t have that kind of help now.
by Rusty23 on Jan 19, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well said, Rusty
today’s game may be as simple fundamentally as it was a long time ago (I’d say even that is inaccurate) but the dynamics with the money, and the fame, and jewelry approaching millions of dollars in cost, absolutely have changed the complexity of everything.
Ask Belichick why he won’t draft in the first round? And why guys only get paid when they achieve Brady status, and note, he’s not even the highest paid guy at the position…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
by brhynno on Jan 19, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BOTTOM LINE.....Who would want the job?????
Yes, Corcoran says Ryan wants the job, I’m talking bonafide HEAD Coach canidates. NOBODY wants this job ,let’s face it. The ones that do are second tier players that want to slide into the position, and when (not if) $ H i t t goes south they blame it on the organization. There is no doubt in my mind that EVERY move Tom the Cable guy made this season was dictated by Mr. Davis. I’ve watched this team for 43 years now and I can smell the Davis touch in everything that came down. Russell? YES. When Mr. Davis gets a hard on for a player they sit ….period. Yes he signed Russell and it appeared to be his personal pick. He gave him a shot and JA3andout failed so he sat. This is the same owner who signed Javon Walker to a mega contract and sat him (while healthy) at the expense of winning games (like Russell starting) because his off season sugery pissed Al off. We NEEDED experienced receivers all year,we had one, and he sat on the bench while chaz and Miller were hurt. Dubious Hayseed by the Bey or Walker? It’s a no brainer,yet didn’t happen week in and week out because Al had an agenda NOT Cable. Gerard is right cable needs an O coordinator to call the plays like Davis needs a G.M. R.F.F.R.
by Wyoraider on Jan 19, 2010 6:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
with Mike Waufle interviewing, i hope we resign him,
then Cable might be safe??? both waufle and cable were line coaches at CAL from 92-97. anyways the last time we were a good run stopping D is when waufle was here, except 03. he has been in 2 SB’s and won won of them in this decade. coached some of the best Dlinemen in this decade. board is a good Dline coach but i would like to have waufle back.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 19, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how you would conclude
that would make Cable safe. It’s another assistant. Cable is obviously an offense-oriented person, I don’t think he had much say in the defense over the season. If we were to hire an OC or interview for an OC, I would say there’s more likely hood of Cable being retained.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 20, 2010 4:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats funny, i didnt know that i concluded anything.
did you see the 3 ??? im saying its a little ironic, not that he stays now. but if he believes that he is still gonna be the HC, than he has some say in his assistants on both sides of the ball and could put a bug in Al’s ear to maybe look at this or that. but with waufle being here way prior to cable, and the success he has had, thats probably the motive from Al and its a good one, if he is hired.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 20, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The secrecy of keeping him this season
and all the assistant being hired BEFORE we knew he was the HC makes me think that he didn’t have as much say as you would like to think he did on his assistants.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 20, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think he has much say either but he did get to pick some asistants.
how about hue jackson, he and cable were together at cal also. this could all be total coincidence but maybe al is bringing in these assistants who have worked with eachother before. hell, now all al has o do is demote cable back to the oline and hire mariucci and we will have a cal bears teamLOL who ever gets hired for any position coach hopefully makes an impact, for the good.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mikesd1981 on target again ,my man!
that’s the way all these underperforming guys are and there isn’t a man out there that wouldn’t be doing the same thing! Why should JA3andout Russell restructure his contract? You and I wouldn’t. If someone were stupid enough to give my 55 year old a $$ a contract for that kind of money and I couldn’t perform I wouldn’t restructure or quit, I’d ride the gravy train like Russell and Cable until it derailed, and then I’d get paid for sitting at home. Russell is what 22 or 23 and a multi- millionaire? why SHOULD he care ?
by Wyoraider on Jan 19, 2010 6:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortuantely
not all people are built like that. It has a lot to do with upbringing. Work your way through the trenches early in your life and you’ll learn to earn your money. Have it handed to you by mommy and daddy and when you hit the real world you’ll be lost.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 20, 2010 4:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well if your man enough to sign the dotted line for 60mill
than you damn sure better nut up and try your balls off for your employer. i know plenty of people who have had help from their parents, some roll with it and succedd, and some dont. you dont have to preach to me about work, anyone on this deal that wants to come do what i do for a day might enjoy life in their office and desk.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Al Davis
All I can say is Davis YOUR WAY IS NOT WORKING LET A COACH TAKE CHARGE AND BUILD A TEAM . GETTING RID OF A COACH AFTER ONE DAMN YEAR ISNT GOING TO HELP THINGS …… SHOULD HAVE KEPT GRUDEN AND BURIED YOUR PRIDE CUZ WE HAD SOMETHING … LET CABLE DO HIS THING …. OH YEAH AND GET RID OF THE BIGGEST BUST IN NFL HISTORY … I THINK WE KNOW WHO IM TALKING ABOUT BUT JUST IF YOU DONT GET RID OF JAMARCUS RUSSEL ASAP
by Lukeg on Jan 23, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I want Cable to do this thing
that’s a little more scary considering his level of incompetence is just staggering. I’d vote for 1 more coach change IF we got a competent coach and Davis let him do this thing.
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by mikesd1981 on Jan 23, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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