Raiders "News", Inference and Innuendos
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 20, 2010 4:06 AM PST
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PrintWe reach yet another day in the so-called Cable watch without really knowing anything yet as to the real fate of Tom Cable. Yesterday was a deadline day pursuant to the CBA for clubs to advise the league of their intentions of whether or not they would be retaining their current assistant coaches. Well, yesterday passed without any word coming out of 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway.
However, we do have this "News" according to the SF Chronicle, which has Al Davis interviewing several assistant coaches, unknown is whether that would be for Cable's position or replacing assistants:
Raiders owner Al Davis has interviewed prospective head coaches for more than two weeks, two league sources told The Chronicle, in the event he decides to fire Tom Cable.
Two people on his interview list have been identified as former Giants coach Jim Fassel, who now coaches UFL champion Las Vegas, and former Raiders offensive coordinator Marc Trestman, the head coach of CFL champion Montreal.
Several sources, including one within the organization, believe Davis may re-interview 2009 candidates Kevin Gilbride, the Giants' offensive coordinator, and Winston Moss, a Packers assistant head coach, if he hasn't already.If Davis has indeed made a decision on Cable, no one with the organization either knows or is talking about it. His inner circle is as small as it is airtight. If anyone knows Davis' plans, they're not saying.
Whoever the head coach is next season, Davis appears ready to assemble a supporting coaching staff. Former Giants defensive line coach Mike Waufle will interview for a similar position with the Raiders, according to NFL.com.
Waufle coached the Raiders' defensive line from 1998-2003. That position is held by Dwaine Board, who came to Oakland last season. Waufle was in Oakland on Tuesday
Just the way Al wants it, the entire Raiders organization is in air-tight mode, where if there was a leak, Davis would know the perpetrator.
There is now also the word that Davis is also interested in Ravens QB coach Hue Jackson, someone that Davis has interviewed before. Would this be for an OC position? Would it be for the same position? If so, what happens with Hackett? Only Al knows and we will all find out probably days or weeks after his decisions have been made. It is amazing how he has kept everyone silent, including Cable at this time.
Here is the story about Hue Jackson according to Schefter:
In the continuing odd world of the Oakland Raiders, the team asked for and received permission to interview Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson for an unspecified position, a league source told ESPN.
Jackson has aspired to become a head coach, but Oakland also has been seeking someone that could work with and develop former No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell.
When the Raiders will interview Jackson is uncertain. What they're interviewing him for is uncertain. When there will be word on head coach Tom Cable's fate also is uncertain.
Cable was scheduled to meet with Raiders owner Al Davis last week, but the meeting never occurred. The staff's future remains up in the air until that meeting happens.
Cable's job is in question after he went 5-11 in his first full season as coach and failed to develop Russell into a legitimate NFL quarterback. Cable is 9-19 since replacing Lane Kiffin early in the 2008 season, leading the Raiders to their NFL-worst seventh straight season with at least 11 losses.
Cable has pointed to the team's improvement after Russell's midseason benching as proof that he deserves another year.
Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
The Waufle interview is very interesting in that he was with the Raiders before and has obviously done a great job with the Giants defensive line. But the Raiders have Dwaine Board, who was selected by DC John Marshall, so what is to be read into this? Schefter has also reported that Davis has had enough with the ZBS and will shift back to the power blocking scheme. That news in itself is good news just for the fact that it will mean that the current offensive line will be ditched and offensive lineman will be a top priority in free agency and the draft.
However, it is appearing clearer by the day that Davis will not abandon JaMarcus Russell as his QB and we will all have to endure another season of the Russell experiment.
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if al davis
is tired of the ZBS then bringing in someone like hue jackson as an OC makes a lil more sense, coming from balti and all.
Isn't the ZBS a Cable thing?
He brought that with him from Atlanta right? So that’s a point in the against column for Cable I would think.
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well its not like Cables ZBS has really been cutting the mustard with 3 very good backs
so maybe a change in game plan would not be a bad idea. I think it becomes clearer as more time passes that Cable is staying. I think Trestman, Fassel and Jackson are being interviewed for OC position as i dont think anyone is lining up to hire any of them as a head coach so why wouldn’t they come on as a NFL OC when 2 of them are currently out of the league completely and one is a QB coach.
JaMarcus will be on the roster but that does not mean he will start.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
oh he'll start
if Davis is keeping Russell around, I expect to see him start again. But with a shorter leash. I think Cable or whoever the coach may be will bench much faster this time.
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Here's a problem with that. Implementing an entirely new blocking scheme with linemen
unfamiliar with it at least to some degree, is where the time to develop really needs to take place. You all know I’ve felt personnel has been our bigger issue, but I also believe that the guys haven’t executed their blocking assignments very well most of the time, either. True, you might say this is an indication of the coaches shortcomings, but I’d say the same thing about Art Shell. He came in and tried to teach the lineman an entirely new approach to the game, of which most of the guys were completely unfamiliar with, and was in many ways opposite (use of hands, punching, whether to give up ground initially and then hold it, or to attack forward). Subtle nuances of the game, however tough for us who aren’t 300 pounds and block all shapes and sizes of guys for a living, who don’t understand the subtleties and how they play into it. A lot of the failure in the running game can be attributed to an inexperienced running backs coach, too.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Y'all are too well-educated football-wise...
…to blame the scheme for the Raiders’ failure in the run game. The Donkeys ran ZBS in with Terrell Davis and had terrific success. It’s about personnel, not scheme. OL should be a high priority regardless, considering the lack of success in both the run game and in pass protection. Y’all know better…
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
Just pointing out, that Cable can only fairly shoulder a small portion of this blame
Because we were forced to consider the personnel starting the season was adequate and capable. We now know better.
Brian
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
After comparing Al to Ali in the Holmes fight, he states (in typical melodramatic fashion)
“So allow the man his deliberation. This is his most important decision in at least 15 years. Deciding Cable’s fate is not so urgent when a franchise is adrift and a legacy is ablaze.”
Poole must regard Cable with infinitely higher esteem than I do. I expect Al to keep the blob and hire an OC to compensate for Cable’s inability to form coherent thoughts. ‘Stability’ is a concept bantered around these days and Al may be yielding to it’s delusional seduction. Aside from Tom’s male-cheerleader role on the sidelines and his inspiration value as a poster-boy for George Bush’s New America – where anyone can become anything – he is relevant only b/c of Al’s history of dealing with other poor coaches. .
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 20, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
I said it before
stability is good, unless it’s stability in losing. And that’s what we are. If we can’t get past the win to a 2nd win, then what’s it worth? But if we switch coaches again, and I’m all for it, it has to be someone w/ a brain. Cable obviously doesn’t have one.
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Pretty sure he's gonna be gone.
or at least demoted. It would seem odd to have any of the interviewees his assistant.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
According to this piece, Herrera said that the Raiders are not interviewing anyone
despite reports from other sources.
by Spirals galore on Jan 20, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
I should've prefaced that statement that I have nothing substantial, whatsoever
to back up my comments. It’s just my feeling. I suspect, as with all issues Raiders and Herrerra, there is ‘some’ truth, to the whole matter. It’s just how much, that perpetually remains a mystery to us, the media, and it almost seems the harder a reporter tries to find information Al does not wish leaked, the more they are mislead and fed uncorroborrated doublespeak and specualtion—much ado about nothing, which they take the time to report to us, in limbo, awaiting the next fate that will befall the Nation
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Herrera actually saud that they havent interviewed anyone
for the HEAD COACHING position.
These are OC interviews.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Here is a good article from NFL.com
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/20/raiders-interview-position-coaches-as-cables-future-unclear/
actually seems to be reporting facts and addressing the situation as it is with common sense, good to see for a change.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Davis must assemble a versatile, young and potent
O-Line to protect the QB and open up running lanes.
With all the new people declaring for the draft, I’d almost trade down to get more picks below, and a few next year.
How many picks could we get for our #1 this year?
You know, Al doesn’t do as bad in the draft as I previously thought, though he doesn’t seem to draft for linemen like he should.
I hope he leans heavy on drafting for young O-Linemen to grow with Russell in the trenches, and get a couple of terror inducing DT’s, and of course, Spikes in the second.
I’d still prefer that coach from Stanford for our HC, and see about the QB coach from LSU.
As long as we get a capable OC with some imagination, and some more administrative help for Al, we’ll be moving in the right direction.
Protect the quarterback, open up holes, stuff the run, maul their quarterback, cause fumbles, and pick them off.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot…Fuck The Broncos!
Drafting
You know, Al doesn’t do as bad in the draft as I previously thought, though he doesn’t seem to draft for linemen like he should.
Do the names JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden and Darrius Heyward-Bey ring a bell? You have to cash in on your first round picks.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
The suggestion of trading our 1st round pick for several later round picks isn't so bad
if we had a good plan worked out to acquire o-line and d-line needs.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 20, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
It is becoming a formula for success in drafting
and you can usually compile for next year, dodging the ever present 1st round diva bullet, and the contracts that accompany them.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Russel and McFaddy
could benefit from a smarter/larger/younger offensive line.
Heyward-Bey is still green.
I see potential for DHB
if he can stop dropping the ball.
McFadden apparently can’t find a hole to right next to him, can’t hold on to the ball, and can’t stay upright when even a gust of wind blows.
Russell…..well I don’t care what o-line he has, he still can’t aim. Let a tank run amok firing away in Iraq. It’s the same thing. Big cannon, no accuracy.
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I see potential and greatness in all of them.
The organization has to be able to bring it out of them.
Well
if he doesn’t want to try to get better, then you can see all the potential and greatness you want. He still sucks. Russell is beyond repair.
McFadden’s a borderline bust too, but that doesn’t necessary fall on him. With the right coach he can work on getting better. He is definitely not being used properly. But he also needs to fix the fumbles/drops, needs to stay upright, needs to find and use the holes, and needs to work on his durability.
But Russell’s just horrible. And you can be as optimistic as your buddy patriotguy, but you’re both wrong.
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I don't think they are utilizing McFadden correctly.
They should use him on pitches and screens. Have him utilize his speed on the outside, and he’ll do damage. Bush is our inside runner.
That's a lie!!!
….the M1 Abrams is much more accurate than JR could ever hope to be! Heck, I’d put my money on an old Soviet T-55 before JR…
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
well
see the word ‘amok’ inferred that the tank was just going down the street firing every which way. No gunner or aiming software on it.
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Russell, McFadden and Heyward-Bey
- Russell’s only chance is in an offense based largely out of the shot gun.
- McFadden needs to be utilized better, of course, such as in the passing game and on special teams.
- Heyward-Bey, well, he looks like the number four receiver on a team with the kind of receivers that he should be better than.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
indeed
but McFadden needs to work on the fumbles/drops, tripping, and needs to find those holes too.
He’s been in the league long enough now to fix some of this.
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True
Maybe he would have figured a few kinks out with regular playing time.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
possibly
he had a fumble problem when drafted. I’d like to see him stay healthy for a season and them maybe used as WR or sideline RB. otherwise, he’s useless to us.
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seing him used like bush would make me happy.
i think just make this guy a utility player. KR/PR, a few carries a game, on the outside or endarounds, and as a receiver. get him high stepping in traffic and use his cuts instead of trying to put is helmet on defenders.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 20, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Coaches
I’d still prefer that coach from Stanford for our HC, and see about the QB coach from LSU.
He’s not going anywhere, and I’d like to think that we can do better than someone that was a quarterbacks coach at the college level just a year ago.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Cable doesn't seem capable of developing
Russell, and he certainly doesn’t seem like he’ll stand behind him.
If we’re going to keep Russell, we need to develop a better program to keep him upright and utilize the strength of his arm.
The one thing he did right
and even fucked it up a little was benching Russell.
Paul Hackett is regarded as one of the best QB coaches out there. We’re now going to enter the 4th year (Patriotguys’s golden year) of Russell’s contract. He has regressed from last year to this year. He still shows spark, never keeps it going. Still sails the ball so the ISS personnel can do a space walk and catch it. Or he tries to bury the ball to China. Still puts the WR’ sin harms way. Still makes bad bad bad bad decisions. Still can’t sense the pressure. Still throws off the wrong foot.
Russell is broken. And can’t be fixed. His work ethic was questioned in college, and the draft scouts also said this. Russell’s done. Davis just doesn’t realize it yet.
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Yet Russell got only a little over
one and a half years of starts.
This last year, with an O-Line that was swiss cheese, and a bunch of rookie WR’s.
Get him a Quarterback Coach that understands him better, and put him in a position to use his strengths.
A QB coach
That understands how to make a guy better who doesn’t want to work at it? Have you ever managed anyone????
i cant believe xville is sticking up for a grade A piece of shit.
you say its the organiztions responsibility to bring it out of him??? they did their part, signed him to the biggest rookie contract in the NFL, brought in one of the greatest QB coaches to ever coach, and gave hime more starts than he deserved. what does he do… he disrespects us fans, his teammates, his coaches and his owner for not taking blame, not restructuring his contract and missing a very important exit meeting. now its up to him to be good, not ANY organization, and believe me, he wont!
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
The key to anyone being their best is their effort to be the best! Russell has shown us jack. Maybe he could appease us by doling out some of that green (he got for just showing up) to us. I could use the extra cash to pay for the years of the DirecTV Football package that have broken my heart and pissed me off countless times.
Obviously he's not clicking with the "greatest" QB coach around.
He disrespects fans? I think you got that backwards.
His coaches? Cable benches HIM when his receivers have 8 DROPS, several 50+.
He misses an exit meeting WITH the blessing of the raiders organization.
Yes yes, of course. It was the WR’s fault. The same WR’s that Gradkowsi threw too.
And I doubt, but can’t prove, the Raiders truly blessed that meeting.
I can’t believe you still think Russell can be good. He got benched TWICE this season. What does that tell you. He went backwards from last year to this year. He has not worked on anything to make him better. His accuracy is still horrible, balls still a mile high or a mile to short. Still putting WR’s in harms away. Lost the respect of his team mates. Russell’s the one that chose to come to beginning ot season fat and late and getting fined.
So instead of just blindly supporting him, I’ll call you out now. Bring some substantiated reasoning to change our minds, not some one-liner like in the above post. Gradkowski played behind the same line and same WR’s and won games. And you can’t use the rookie excuse any more. And he had 1 full season to play the game, and looked like he’d be alrigth, and came to work this year and failed. So that means he regressed. So now you go ahead and PROVE he’s a good QB without the usual excuses.
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What do you think Al is gonna do?
Pulling him doesn’t make sense to me, and it likely doesn’t make sense to Al.
Substantial Reasoning
1: Russel still has flashes of being a good QB
2: Even when he was having bad games, you can’t blame ALL the losses solely on russel
3: He’s a first pick. Throwing him away would be a waste of ANY possible talent he has shown, despite how little you think he has shown it this season.
4: The possible talent that he displayed were that of accuracy(he has shown accuracy at times), pocket presence(he has shown it as well), and leading(he did lead the team(not by himself of course) into wins before).
5: Russel has the potential to get his head out of his ass.
And you want to know why Gradkowski had a bit more success than russel? His accuracy at throwing it yes, but also his ability to be elusive in the pocket. Russel is not as elusive as Grad, and therefore he gets sacked and sometimes fumbled more than Grad did. Grad does have more upsides than russel does, but keeping russel doesn’t necessarily mean that he’ll be guaranteed a start next season. So keeping him won’t hurt anybody.
Of course
These wont be considered “substantial” enough to you, simply because you are blinded by the fact that russel will suck for eternity, and you refuse to believe in anyone else’s opinions on russel that contradict your own. You can’t dismiss the fact that the receivers do drop the balls he throws to them, maybe because of his rocket of a throw compared to Gradkowski’s. Your like an impatient executive who wants his results NOW! NOW! NOW! Keep russel, if he’s not as good in pre-season as Grad, bench him again. This time for the whole season, and we won’t have to be worried about him.
Oh so many holes for the poor little Dutch boy to plug
We have so many real needs from top to bottom that a true plan of “attack” to address everything in a clear manner and not run helter skelter with rash decisions. You simply have to look back at ALL of those wonderful freee agent signings a couple years ago (D’Angelo Hall, Tom Kelly OMG $10million!, Javon Walker). We need to draft somewhat smart and take the best athlete to address the required needs or swap to go higher/lower depending on the situation and who is available. At the top well you can’t really know who is best until they show up and see what transpires and if the are given a free hand to play call and start whoever is the better player (Gradkowski over JaFatso everyday).
The ZBS would work with the right personnel and aren’t most of the successful teams in the league using it over power blocking. The O-Line is a sad sad mess especially when compared to the O-Line from the last Super Bowl year. We could easily cut 4 of the 5 starters and give Gallery one more shot to show he can be healthy AND want to play with some intensity.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 20, 2010 7:05 AM PST reply actions
Schefter is now reporting...
…That Jackson is specifically being interviewed for the OC position.
Great news…whether Cable stays or goes, Jackson will bring skill with woring with a young QB and come from a team emphasizing the run. I hope he is hired.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
by Raybin on Jan 20, 2010 8:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
All bad news
for Russell haters. LOL! I’m sorry guys, I can sense all of you squirming and rolling your eyes after reading this.
Regardless of who the QB is next season, the Raiders need to recommit to running the ball well. I’m sure Al Davis is looking at the Jets and Ravens and going “WTF? Why can’t my team do that?” (Psss, Mr. Davis…it’s the defense stupid!) Moving away from ZBS may be a mistake, as many of our current OL are built for that system and could struggle even worse in a PBS.
Big changes coming again for the Oakland Raiders, but at least it provides us with plenty to talk about this offseason.
I'm in the smallest of minorities, but I'm still a big supporter of JaMarcus Russell.
I really just hate that he loses. If he won games, I'd love him.
A lot of us can’t really be considered “haters.” Harsh they may have been, but we voiced frustration for not pulling the guy in favor of the others who gave us a better shot.
We’ve also scratched our heads as to how the same mistakes keep getting repeated, despite having Hackett being the best in the game. And the blocking excuse doesn’t hold mud 100%, when Grad and even Frye could have moderate success; also he messed up so often when everything was there. Enough time, the open guy, then, the same result. A sailed ball, a buried one, a drop.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
wait wait
don’t forget, and you can ask xville, it’s al lthe WR’s fault. Russell is great, everyone around him sucks.
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Dude ,Russell is not the one... have you seen his antics, have you seen a backup QB give it his all
ready to lead the team, very vocal…. and you want Russell? the guy came from LSU that explains half of it. I beleive he’ll be like Vince Young, noooo he will not! he sucks and is very fat.
The RaiderLaker
his work ethic was questionable in LSU too
and they modified the offense for him. It could be that Russell just isn’t very bright.
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Just because the team won
does not make him a good QB. Wait now I remember…..you were the one giving him full credit for the Denver game that Bush and the D set up for him.
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so what if he was
he was 1 player. He still completed under 70% of his passes. They sill modified the offense for him, and still had to push him to work harder. Now he took all those bad habits to the NFL and it doesn’t work against the big boys.
If Russell could keep his sparks of brilliance alive and actually win a game on his won merit, I’d agree with you. But he never truly won us a game. Our D and rush kept it close. In fact the 2 times he replaced Grad or Frye the game was winnable and Russell LOST those games (Skins and Baltimore respectively). I never see you give him the credit for those games.
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is this the NCAA or the NFL???
dont drag his win loss record from LSU in here, that doesnt mean shit!
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 20, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
thank you!
the college skills do not always equate to this level, and we should’ve been alarmed by the lack of intangibles that regularly do equate to skills viable in this league, not when you’re playing against mostly boys, who’ll never see the light of day in the NFL.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Al seems to like him.
He seems to be able to replicate the kind of player he was at LSU at times: That come from behind coolness in big games is a huge advantage.
The payoff for sticking by Russell is too great not to invest the kind of time needed for him to unconsciously absorb what he needs to; which would make him one of the most formidably intuitive players in the game.
You can't be serious?!
“…sticking by Russell …time needed for him to unconsciously absorb what he needs to; which would make him one of the most formidably intuitive players in the game.”
Intuition is something no body will ever be able to teach or infuse by osmosis into someone devoid of intuitive potential; intuition is the most obvious attribute that Russell is entirely devoid of possessing.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 21, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
and thank you!
xville will sadly have to find out the hard way; after Jamarcus takes the lead over Leaf in biggest busts ever.
Gannon made it clear he doesn’t want help, doesn’t think he needs help, and just doesn’t have that will to be the hardest working guy on the team, which is unmeasurable in significance to winning games.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I'm glad we have at least 1 QB on our team that has the will to win
(Cough)… Gradkowski…(Cough)
Russell has got it, and that is why
he plays the way he does, and why he has the attitude he does.
He’s the most intuitive player I’ve seen, except for maybe Lamonica.
We need to get another burner WR to get down the field, and start going deeper than any team in the league.
We need an OC with some balls, and DHB needs to stop dropping his.
We shouldn’t be hesitating, or stop/starting with Russell. It should be balls out, and get him and our WR’s going deep.
And our run game needs to open up left or right with larger lanes for Bush and McFaddy.
We’re gonna lose, but when we get better at it, we’ll be unstoppable.
Honestly, do you say things only to get a reaction?
Is the truth (the reality of things) of any value to you?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 22, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm confused by
what you meant by “Russell has got it, and that is why
he plays the way he does, and why he has the attitude he does.”
His attitude consists of:
“I don’t need practice. I’m the best QB in the world. Everyone else around me just sucks, but not me. I’m awesome.”
That’s so far the attitude I got. Granted I hope he changes his attitude. The I’ll think he’ll be good. But right now, his attitude is childish, and his play sucks.
WHy the F are we still wrking with Russ?
Does he really think he’s better than Grad?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
oh great...
sometimes i try not to read any news on the raiders cuz i’ll end up getting dissappointed. it’s not that i’m a russell hater, you need to be good or even decent to be hated on. sad is really the only word i can come up with.
it is sad. Get him gone, yesterday. I don't see him changing.
He doesn’t care about being great, just getting paid.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Me thinks JaFatass has a friend posting here
What else could explain the lone voice in the darkness defending this laughing stock of a first overall pick! The big bust of all time could be tagged on him especially if he is given the opportunity to completely under peform for someone of his draft status next year.
So let me ask this of xville, Are you one of his mouching entourage? Are you one of his business managers/agents or someone that has interest because I and so very many more on the Silver and Black Pride are saying the same thing. JaBusto is just that cut him, let him ride the pine but dontcha dare try to defend the fat, lazy and unaccountable douche. When you do you make a true Raider fan wonder.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 20, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions
oh he's not the only one
defending Russell. Wait til patriotguy joins the party and wantd to hold out for the golden 4th year of his career before calling a bust. The problem is while we ALL see the result on the field, none of the defenders have a true excuse for him.
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Your so impatient.
Yes I know you think I’m a fool. :)
If Davis is gonna go with Russell,
then no amount of your whining is gonna move him.
Now, pulling a QB when he only has a little over one and a half years of starts is just stupid.
Especially when you have a green coach, a green wide receiver group and an O-Line that allows 49 sacks.
Again
those same WR’s were doing good w/ Gradkowksi (he even got DHB his first touch down), and even Frye to a lesser degree. And behind the same o-line.
No amount of defending him is gonna make him a good QB. It’s sad that you idolize him so much you’re willing to throw an 8th season away for a QB that will never get it and has shown he doesn’t care. I would have agreed with you had he not REGRESSED from the previous year.
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I'd be willing to go with losses
until he catches on, because I believe he is the most dominant arm in the NFL.
Al just needs to start going after a couple more dominant “possession” receivers after he restructures the O-Line.
If Al believes in him, then the best thing to do is to structure the team offense to help him and the running backs succeed.
When will the Russell defenders learn! He's a spectacular loser!
and any thought he’ll ever be anything else at this level is pure delusion.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
U prove me right again
U really must be on the take from Russel with posts like this. Take the losses?!?!?!?! What else do U want to take? Get outta here U R really outta touch with reality. JaFlubbo has no work ethic and shows no sign of accountability or desire to change anything.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 21, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
he has possibly the strongest arm in the nfl
and you ask why does his WRs catch the balls thrown by Grad? Really?
you proved your stupidity!
it was stupid to pull a losing qb that was dragging his team and fans down! plus the smartest thing do do with a young “franchise” player that is having hell and getting his ass handed to him with all the sacks he takes and you want to keep him in there? that will really get his confidence and desire to play this sport up!
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 20, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
would you do nothing if he lost 1 1/2 years of games (24)? You can't let the team go down
the hole that way. They are men who play hard and want to win – and ultimately don’t give a rats ass for someone who has undeveloped potential whose dragging them down with him.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 20, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
He's a Pats fan, doesn't want to see us be dominant again,;yeah lets keep Russell as the starter....lol.
The RaiderLaker
I want Grad to start next year
I say this because russel has not proven himself yet, and they way his worth ethic has not changed yet, I doubt he’ll get any better. Right now, Grad is the starter, and I’m happy with that(maybe some more benching will make him THINK at least).
Russell throws to hard which may cause drops... i mean c'mon that shit would hurt especially as he is running
scared from a sack, the guy sucks, LSU is a joke, end of story, he was a starter in LSU and what? LSU has low IQ players that have not even developed a work ethic. nuff said. i bet i can get into LSU with flying colors.
The RaiderLaker
Favrve at 40 throws just as fucking hard
as russell and his young WRs have no problem bringin down balls! what the fuck good is a pitcher who can hit 3 digits but cant hit the strikezone?
Yeah ive seen him throw strong balls, and sometimes fluffy(extend your arms and it falls on your hand balls)
But thats because he is a Pro, Jamarcass Sucks and throws it hard to the ground and the WR can’t make a play even when wide open..
The RaiderLaker
Have his eyes been examined? It seems obvious that he must have a vison problem too
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 20, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I've actually often thought this
And if he is having trouble seeing the fact that he hasn’t got it fixed is insane….not like he can’t afford lasik surgery.
I hope his problem is something correctable like that. But I rather suspect he just sucks.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
It could possibly be his depth perception
more than just the blurry type vision problem.
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the man's a bust
but despite the BS that he brings w/ him onto the field, we’re gonna be stuck w/ him. if we do hire this jackson guy, look at who hes been coaching for the last two years? a tall, strong armed kid who in college, mostly ran his offense out of the shotgun. i think this is davis’s dire attempt to bring in someone to try and develop this punk, but i digress… my biggest problem w/ whats been said is, is that it was “foolish” to pull JRuss out for Grad…. are u F^^^in kiddin me!? u couldnt pay me to keep someone like that in there! the only reason im mad at the cable guy is because he didnt pull him sooner!… even though we all know that wasnt entirly his decision because of Al. when u cant even get support from ur own locker room, im sry, but there is about jack sheezie u can do on the field.
I wish cable pulled him out a bit sooner
and I agree that when people say it was “foolish” to take him out, They’re asking for some guy who has not proven himself yet and whos work ethic sucks to help them win when he’s been unsuccessful in the last few weeks.
forgot to add
that both the wahfle guy and hue jackson have both worked with tom cable before at Cal. so at a glance its lookin like cable is stickin around!
The irony of it all
Davis is desperate to win now, hence all the coaching switches and ill-advised free agent spending sprees…which do more harm than good, but let’s set that aside for a second…
He’s desperate to win now, but he’s sticking with a QB who won’t be ready to win for at least another two seasons and more than likely never. Sad.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
Sad, is the best word to describe the state of the Raiders
It’s a tragedy, really… I feel for the talented young guys.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Take heart, the WRs did get better, the QB situation is better with Grad and maybe Losman
will come through and a FA at some point. Sanity dictates the OL and DL will be addressed in the draft, 3 of the 4 DBs are really good, we have a shot at the best LB in the draft, and OCs are being interviewed (Herrera never denied that, at least). So, cheer up – the worst is behind us.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 21, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'll have to go back and read my post on the positives to take away from this season!
and perhaps my glass will not be as empty.
I would be ecstatic if we drafted even half of the positions we’ve discussed, got an OC, and Al heeded the advice he supposedly consults for picks. I do love that there appears an attempt to take character guys, much of what I believe will be necessary to truly turn the team around, and make them consistent winners.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
oh I totally forgot
about Losman. Hmmm we get first bid on him so I wonder if that means Frye or Gradkowski could be out.
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I'd rather have Grad in
Losman has a bit of accuracy issues as far as I can remember. And Grad already knows the system better.
so what?
If you have ever found yourself in a bind, do you give up? No, you start looking for ways out. And don’t start whining about Al Davis and how he stifles the Raiders. I’ve been told numerous times that I don’t stand a chance achieving this or that because of such-and-such, and I’ve always achieved this or that. I don’t believe in whining!
by Spirals galore on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
But the fans are in, comparatively, a passive role. What good would it do us to
watch 2 hours of film a day, run sprints, hit weights or tackle random pedestrians? Your comment implies we have control over the Raider’s destiny. Maybe, if these posts and comments get the attention of sports writers and Raider management, we would have some influence – aside from that we go to games or don’t and take what we get.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 21, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
I never give up; nor do I give up rooting for my team
I see your point. I shouldn’t dwell on the negative shit, especially when good things can still happen. I don’t believe I’ve ever whined about Al; expressed frustration about how an owner should never be an obstacle, and also that I’ve seen little to lead me to believe it’ll change, anytime soon, But still, I rise and it is the news of the Raiders I’m eager to hear, be it something I want to hear, or not. Anything can happen, though. I can believe miracles can come true.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Ultimately, the only person that can fix Russell is Russell
No one can argue that Paul Hackett is one of the best QB coaches working today. He’s been unable to get through to Russell. Ted Tollner is also a very good teacher. He’s been unable to get through to Russell.
Now Davis looks like he may be bringing in another coach who has skill and experience working with and developing quarterbacks. Guess what? He’ll be unable to get through to Russell….if Russell maintains his current trajectory.
If he experiences a moment of clarity and starts to hit the weight room, show up two hours early and leave two hours late because he’s studying film, and forcing his wide receivers at gunpoint if need be to spend their off days practicing routes with him….he can still be salvaged.
I defy anyone here, however, to point me to one single solitary thing that would give anyone hope that Russell will ever, EVER start to do that. You can only judge a person’s future prospects by their past actions and the evidence in this case points strongly toward the fact that he’ll continue to be an anchor for this team for at least one more year and quite possibly two.
Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers and Matt Schaub are probably the best quarterbacks in the league because what I described above is THEIR NORMAL WORK ROUTINE. It’s the BASELINE of what they expect from themselves, not the ceiling.
Will anyone make the argument with a straight face that Russell will ever drive himself that hard? If you will, I’d love to hear your reasoning.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
+1
No Russell supporter has a shred of anything to refute your statement. His work ethic is non-existent; his future success (or more accurately, his lack thereof) will follow as his work ethic leads…
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
I believ it's one of the major reasons
his teammates give him a cold shoulder. He’s a morale killer.
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Right
Thats right on the money. Remember how Murphy bumped him when he came that one game. Thats a real shot of no respect and a big fuck U to Russell as well.
His own team doesnt like him. You can hear the air get sucked outta the stadium when he waddles onto the field.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 21, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
I think you can go back in every one of our posts, oh, about to weeks 3 or 4
and read some of these same arguments. How is it now that we’re almost to championship weekend, we’re still discussing this nonsense?
well said, btw
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The reason is because
Russell is going to a big part of Oakland next season apparently. And apparently some people still blindly believe in him, whether it’s because “if’s”, denial, or blindly following Al Davis into the path of the oncoming freight train.
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once again, you're probably right on about that
I’m afraid this whole interview process is about finding someone crazy enough or stupid enough to blindly go with Jamarcus into next season and not cut him right now, or someone brilliant enough to keep their mouth shut and have faith that Jamarcus will prove he’s worthless, and they’ll bide their time and develop a team regardless. I remain happy about those few positives we’ve all recognized on the roster, and some coaches, like Spirals said, might just be that pumped for the biggest challenge in the world.
Your guess on which of the two he is is as good as mine! i didn’t initially see myself getting this caught up in the hoopla about our coaching staff, and usually at least prepare myself to be patient and wait until whatever is going to happen does, but I’m having a rough go this time around…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
the problem is when it comes to coaching
is right now I don’t think anyone wants to come here knowing they’ll have to start Russell. And while some people like a challenge, it is a huge distraction when you’re trying to prepare for games week in and out.
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Grim Reaper Al - Funny Pic
Hey guys ready for a funny Davis/Cable picture? I’m not sure if you guys read sports humor blogs but there is a really funny pic of Grim Reaper Al as the Featured Pic on the homepage of this website:
that coaches remix down and right on that same page is hilarious!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Time...
The Raiders haven’t been viable since Bruce Allen and Gruden took to Tampa. To get some real stability in the organization you have got to get Pimp Daddy Davis a real GM to over see everything. The man has for the last three or four head coaches hired all the assistants based off of the way he wants them to play, not what the head coach needed to succeed. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love Russel, Grad, Frye, or at this point Tom Cable himself heaving 60 yard passes every play. Ghost to the damned post all day long. I love watching those old games. I would love to see the old Raiders defenses of old Billy clubbing Recievers with plaster casted arms. But this isn’t 1979. His football mind hasnt evovled any since his last superbowl win. Because that’s how he won then. Well winning then and having a winning franchise today are no where near each other.
Cable for all his short comings does have his players believing. He does bring stability to a team that trusts him. Davis needs to listen to his coach instead of dictating to him what he needs to do. Russel, square peg in a Round black hole. won’t work. No reciever on that team is going to risk injury for his selfish sorry ass. They will for anybody else. Davis needs to either cut the 1(Russel) or cut the other 52 who won’t play for him. They make legs out of titaniam these days. Get grad a set of them or a new OL or else by week 4 he’s back in the IR and Frye takes beatings for a few weeks. Our D is good. They do give up the big play once in a while, but that comes with discipline. I guarantee if you if they can get the thrill of winning, they won’t be half as frustrated or tired from our Offense going 3 and out all day long and fill those gaps. Our run D sucks because most games the other team is up by 3 td’s and don’t need to pass. And for God’s sake blitz every once in a while. Can’t blame the coaches and players as much as you can the man at the top. Until Davis realizes his time is done. Hand over the reigns to somebody who is up to date on how a franchise wins these days then it doesn’t matter who he hires, fires, cuts, keeps. Time to get a GM, Some real scouts and not “yes” men. Time for Davis to get out of his own way and let the Raiders succeed.
by thecolonel1981 on Jan 22, 2010 11:19 PM PST reply actions
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