Report: Tom Cable Is Returning Next Season

Tom Cable is 9-18 in one-plus seasons as a head coach. [via extras.mnginteractive.com]
According to ESPN's Adam Schefter via his social networking page, Tom Cable is returning as head coach of the Oakland Raiders next season.
Filed to ESPN: Tom Cable will remain as Oakland's head coach in 2010. Raiders say no decision final. But Cable will be back.
ESPN has now picked up the story on Cable being retained.
Cable will fulfill the final year of his contract with the Raiders, the source said.
When contacted, Raiders spokesman John Herrera did not confirm that Cable would remain coach for the 2010 season, saying only that, despite meetings into the night the past two days, no decision has been reached.
Cable had one year remaining on his contract. But after meeting with Cable again this week, Davis made a decision that will be popular among players by keeping his head coach in place, the source said.
Cable had widespread support throughout the players in the Raiders locker room.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle has acknowledged the ESPN report.
Cable and Raiders owner Al Davis have been in discussions off and on for three weeks since the season ended, with team officials unwilling to say if Cable indeed would be retained after a 5-11 season rocked with controversy and offensive struggles.
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Good
- Continuity.
- Our 5-11 record tied our best mark since the start of the 2003 season.
- In conclusion, I agree with this decision if we can find somebody to call the plays.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 23, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
If the continuity
is losing and not carrying a win into the next week, who cares?
Also I wouldn’t be suprised to see us keep the passing coordinator and not have an OC.
So with keeping Russell, Cable, and not yet having an OC, and this point and time I think we loss next season already.
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Im pretty sure we will have a OC
the season hasn’t even finished yet, ever think there could be some OC candidates on teams still in the playoffs???
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Well we're allowed to ask permission
to speak to them. We haven’t. I just don’t trust Al or Cable and I have a feeling we wont’ be hiring an OC. But if we do, and I hope we do, it better be someone worth it and not another guy who’s been out of the game for years.
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My fears is that none of the candidates even considered will go with Al's decision to keep Jamarcus as starter
And I think that’s ultimately why the decision to go with Cable. I believe in conversations on the matter, Cable’s the kind of guy to tell Al that he’ll make it work with whatever he decides, whether he believes it’s right or not. I also believe that Cable may be stipulating that Russell get the plug pulled immediately with any sign of the same disasters at attempts to groom him.
There’s still a lot of offseason left, and the whole picture can still change.
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Continuity
It’s good when the current guy “in charge” hasn’t done any worse than the people before him, so why not give him another full season?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Because continuation of
losing is not what we want. The nonuse of Bush, the misuse of McFadden. You want all of this again?
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No
I don’t want the misuse again. That’s why Tom Cable shouldn’t be the offensive coordinator. Hire one.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is
Cable as HC can override a offense coordinator and determine who plays. To make sure he doesn’t make such a stupid decision is to let him go. I don’t want to continue losing, and Cable, even with an OC, isn’t smart enough to win. He never was.
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Maybe
We don’t know if he can override the offensive coordinator’s decision. If the offensive coordinator wants to hand the ball off to Michael Bush, I don’t think Cable can pull him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Reasons
- The players like him. They like playing for him. I think Cable is a good motivator and gets the team to play to the level of their opponent.
- It establishes some sort of continuity and stability.
- I don’t think there’s a good enough reason to fire him because going 5-11 this past year was actually a step in the right direction after all.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Norv Turner
got fired on a 5-11 season too. And the players defended Kiffin too. And Turner. In fact the only coach they didn’t want kept around was Shell.
Continuity means NOTHING when it’s continuity in losing. And that’s all it is. Cable doesn’t have what it takes to keep the players playing into the next week after a win. We’re in for another losing year anyway, I’d rather try to start over with an intelligent coach AND intelligent OC. But right now I don’t think we’ll get either and we’re stuck with Russell and Cable. You have your continuity alright. Sadly, it’s losing continuity.
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Right
Let’s hire Bill Cowher and go 12-4. That will end the cycle of losing.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
now you're going all nuts again
which you tend to do.
I’m not saying we need to go 12-4 or need a coach like Cowher. There is coaches out there better than Cable that don’t have to be in the category of Cowher. You need someone to get the team to go back to back wins. And Cable isn’t the guy. I’m telling you as long as he and Russell stay we’re in for another long season. 1 more win than our usual record does not a constitute a step in the right direction. It was just one more win.
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Head Coaches
There is coaches out there better than Cable that don’t have to be in the category of Cowher. You need someone to get the team to go back to back wins.
No one in their right mind would want to coach here. I bet we couldn’t find anybody better than Cable.
Also, as far as back-to-back wins go, we could have had that had Gradkowski not gotten hurt.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
he played for 4 games
That means 4 games consecutively. I like the guy too and we did much better w/ him. But still couldn’t go back to back wins. Cable brings nothing to the table but an empty head.
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Four Games
That’s just one-fourth of a season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, Mike. But if the decision to stay with Jamarcus was less Cable's
and one could argue we’d have won at least half of the games Russell started, we might not have such continuity losing.
One thing I did believe from Gannon, was his admonition to us that he’d have won more games, but that we have no idea how difficult it is to do so in a certain environment. The trinity of Allen, Gruden, and Gannon were able to do that. Cable is gaining a semblance of doing that.
Perhaps, if we added in a solid starting qb, he had the adequate (or at least better protection), we add a dynamic OC who calls the kinds of plays the fire up the whole squad, is it as bad as you claim?
Who else would we hire at this point, to expect any different?
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Well I don't trust Al
to bring in an OC with Cable staying. I also think Cable will try to use his HC position to override some calls by an OC. And I think he’s to scared of Davis to pull Russell while the Raiders still have a chance.
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There was a time when you were on the fence about Tom
what pushed you over the edge to think he’s as responsible for all those losses you point out? I’ll admit the play calling was idiotic, but how can we say he’d “override” an OC’s calls, especially if said OC was producing the ever elusive back to back win formula he can’t figure out?
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Because he's stubborn and tries to use his brain
bu he doesn’t have one. The Cleveland game pushed me over. The team fell apart. 2 ejections in that game. We had 8, that’s 4 more than a normal drive, to get a ball in the EZ on the 2 yard line. Bush was getting good yardage and he called a pass play. Then we started on Cleveland 30 yard and we couldn’t get the ball in then either. Then his inability to bench Russell earlier and stand up to Davis, making him a pussy and proved he cared more about his job than the team. He’s a selfish prick. Then to say we’d be a playoff team except for the QB position. Again he could have pulled Russell earlier. And also his play calling fucked up that deal too. Cable’s just a bad coach. I don’t think he’s a great person either, but mostly a bad coach. He should have wanted an OC to begin with last year, but he thought he was the man that could run it all.
So if continuity is what we want, this is what we’re going to get. A guy more worried about his job than the team. A guy that will throw a player under the bus instead of taking what blame belongs to him too (no doesn’t exonerate Russell), the misuse of players, and another losing season.
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excellent points.
I still wonder what better option we’ve had, thus far?
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Truthfully that falls on Al
No one wants to come here and no one wants to deal with Russell. Cable hasn’t the ability to deal with Russell or the balls to deal with Al. Not when it took him so long to pull Russell. He was afraid he’d be fired. I really hope we get an OC, and if we’re waiting til after the SB, well I find it unlikely IND or MN or NO will give permission to let us talk to their OC, or that their OC will want to come here. So why don’t we have an OC yet? Because we won’t get one (though I could be wrong, it happens).
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I love ya Rated-R Superstar in a non homo way bro
but you forgot something…..
4: Failed to make J.Bust into a superbowl QB
5: >.> Al Davis is really the coach of this team, Tom Doesn’t call the plays he just punches ppl in the face!
6: The raiders still didn’t make the playoffs sooo 5-11 is pretty much worthless!
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Good. It means that we will bring in an Offensive Coordinator and that Al Davis has faith in Tom Cable:
This would also be GREAT for Gradkowski!!!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 23, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Al doesn't trust you either - the balance is restored
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 23, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA!!! Look for Al to make news close to Super Bowl Sunday:
He loves to have the cameras on him in Late January and early February.
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 23, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm expecting to see Gradkowski gone
because he’s a threat to Russell.
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No way! He's like Fargas and Al love's such guys with heart
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 24, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
but Al wants Russell to be the man, so don’t expect a true competition for QB. Grad will either want out or not be resigned because of that fact.
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I totally agree!!!!
That’s exactly what happened to Jeff Garcia, so I expect Gradkowski to get cut! Which sucks, but realistically Seabass is a better QB than Russell, so he could be considered a threat too.
I think we need a new have someone new at the helm.
The two things that TC will be remembered for are:
1. Knocking Randy on his butt
2. Benching Russell.
The 2nd being the best thing all season.
by Cash Money Brothers on Jan 24, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Bad thing
We need a coach the players respect and one that can get the best out of each player every down.
by Cash Money Brothers on Jan 24, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Players
They don’t respect Tom Cable? They love Tom.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
But he still can't
keep them winning the following week. This is the continuity you want? more losing mentality? I’ve said it before, if the continuity is losing, then it’s no better than starting over again.
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Sorry
The players play and the coaches coach. The continuity I want are steps in the right direction, and that’s we we’re getting. When was the last time we were 5-11? Bring in an offensive coordinator and Tom Cable is fine as the head coach.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
What steps are we going int he rigth direction?
playing a bad QB for way to long? Not playing a good RB over a RB that falls down? Not playing a good WR because he had didn’t tell the team he had surgery, and stat rookies all year?
Cable has a problem w/ Bush. I suspect that hasn’t changed. So we’ll see McFadden out there again falling down at the first guys of win and dropping the ball. Cable will be told to start Russell, and he will which will start the season of losing instead of winning. The rest of the AFC West is making decisions to make their team better and we’re keeping a bad HC and a QB that won’t ever get it. That’s not the right direction.
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5-11
That’s a step in the right direction.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
No it's not.
It’s not like we’ve never been there before in the last 7 years. It may be 5-11, but never back to back wins. So we can’t keep it going. That’s not a step in the right direction. That’s no step at all.
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Disagree
Going 5-11 is a step in the right direction when you’ve gone 2-14 and 4-12 in years past. I think everyone can agree that this 5-11 team was better than the one we had last year.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
Not til Gradkowski came out. I would believe it was a step in the right direction if we benched Russell earlier and started Bush more than when Fargas was out. But Cable was to stupid to do each. It wasn’t entirely all Russell’s fault we weren’t a play off team. It was Cable’s stubbornness against Bush and fear to bench Russell. And what makes you think he grew a set?
But it’s sad when you’re getting excited over 1 more win.
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Wait
I would believe it was a step in the right direction if we benched Russell earlier and started Bush more than when Fargas was out.
Russell was still benched, right? Yes, he was benched. It took too long, yeah, but he was benched and the team became better as a result. Tom was probably worried about his job and thought he would be fired if he benched JaMarcus.
It wasn’t entirely all Russell’s fault we weren’t a play off team.
I never said it was, but we’re clearly a much better team with him on the sidelines.
But it’s sad when you’re getting excited over 1 more win.
It’s sad that you think I’m excited based on my frequent use of exclamation points. Clearly, you can see that I’m overjoyed by Cable being retained with my monotone style.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
If Cable’s worried about his job more than the team the he’s not only stupid, he’s now also a selfish person. That doesn’t make him a good HC. That makes him…Kiffin.
I was referring to Cable’s comments about being a play off team. And you know Russell will be mandated to start no matter what again next year. So if Cable still hasn’t grown a set, then what does it matter if he’s HC?
And I meant you were excited because that seems the biggest reason you want to keep Cable. Because we got 1 more win than our average record with him as HC. Woo hoo!
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Wrong
The biggest reason I want to keep Cable is so that we don’t have to start over yet again. That’s the biggest reason, not the only reason.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
And I'm saying
that if he can’t keep the team going from 1 win to the next game, what’s the point?
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Simple
That’s where the other reasons come in.
Also, we could have had back-to-backs wins had it not been for JaMarcus Russell. We’ll get back-to-back wins next season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
We don't know that.
And again 3 games Gradkowsk played the entire game. How come we didn’t get back to back wins then? And Russell’s returning as starter. There won’ t be an open competition. Not with his pay. And you know that as much as I do. Davis wants Russell to play, and he will.
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Maybe
We don’t know that Russell will be the starting quarterback. If he is the starting quarterback, why do you care who the head coach is? The team will go to hell with Russell as the quarterback, so it’s irrelevant who the coach is. Since Cable, someone who benched Russell, was brought back, maybe Russell won’t have to be the starting quarterback.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Because Cable is selfish and cares more about his job
than making the team a winning team and he’ll be to afraid to bench Russell for a better QB. Why do you think it took him 9 games this season?
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Al Davis
That’s the reason it took him nine games.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Right.
Cable didn’t have the balls to stand up to him because he valued his job over the team.
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that would make firing him the right decision
If I could fairly put all the blame on Cable and his indecision.
i think he might’ve had to fight to make it happen, and it took that long, and all the losses and that ten yard passing game we had.
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Maybe
It could also mean that he feels as if he’s the best person for this job and that he wants to stay, so he didn’t stand up to Davis. Eventually, though, he did. The team benefited.
Through all of that, he’s still the head coach.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
that's kinda where I'm at. If he's the guy, let's find the formula that works for him
and do it immediately! In the draft, with an OC, and a GM!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Well you can rule out GM
and if Davis is waiting to interview OC’s from playoff teams, do you think any of the 3 teams right now will give up their OC or even if those OC’s want to come here? If we didn’t hire an OC yet, I doubt we will.
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you can never say that in this league, and be right 100% of the time
even successful coordinators get fired. The Chan Gailey firing puzzled people; not because of his record with the team, but for his resume. He’s already got a head coach position. Playoffs or not, any of these guys could be on the chopping block, and if there’s one thing I’ve learned about Al, is that he’s always got something brewing up his sleeve, and contingency plans to boot. Who’d have predicted the Seymour pick (not the best example, but it kinda goes to support my point.) I know for a fact Al had been speaking with NE long before that manifested itself, especially at that point of the season.
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No
You are missing the point. He probably had no choice in terms of Russell and his benching. If he did, maybe he really did feel as if Russell was the best choice for the time being.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
He's the freaking coach.
He has a choice. He chose to make sure his job was safe over doing what was best for the team. Do you think Al would have fired him if we started winning w/ Gradkowski? Al even told him “You’re the coach.”
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Cable
Do you think Al would have fired him if we started winning w/ Gradkowski?
He could have been fired before Gradkowski got to play a game. We did win with Gradkowski and his job was still in question.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
It was in question
because of the record by that time. Had we started him earlier may it wouldn’t have been in question cuz Grad would have been winning. So again, instead of taking a risk, he was to worried about his job. Not worried enough about the team. Cable’s job wasn’t in question in week 4.
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Cable
… Grad would have been winning.
Then why do you want him fired if Gradkowski can win with him?
Cable’s job wasn’t in question in week 4.
It might have been if Russell was benched.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Then why do you want him fired if Gradkowski can win with him?
I want him fired because he doesn’t have the balls to stand up to Davis and do what is right for the team. He’s selfish and cared about his job more than the team.
It might have been if Russell was benched.
Not if we won with Gradkowski. And again it just proves he cared more about his job than make the team win.
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Davis
How many people have “the balls” sto stand up to him? Nobody we hire will. That’s part of the reason why Davis hires them.
If we lose with Gradkowski, he fires Cable. Of course Cable cared about his job. Everybody would have.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
But Russell was losing
winnable games. It was risk worth taking. But if he’s going to be a coward and care more about his job, then I don’t trust him to do right by the team. So he’s not worth keeping around. A coach should be worried about what makes the team function better and not what may get him fired. It was unlikely that Davis would fire him mid season any way. And if it didn’t work, we were still early enough in the season to go back to Russell if needed.
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Eh
Nothing Davis does is unlikely, unless it’s the right thing in which case it is unlikely.
A coach should be worried about what makes the team function better and not what may get him fired.
Maybe Cable felt him being on the coaching staff makes the team function better.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well obviously
he would be wrong. And that just means he’s not only selfish, but also egotistical.
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IMO - Good
Bring on the NEW OC – Kevin Gilbride PLEASE !!
Good news bad news
I thought the players played hard for Cable and didnt quit.
He is overmatched as a playcaller/off line coach/hc. He needs less responsibilty.
No more drama. hire a hc and stand behind the guy.
Al D really disrespected cable by letting him dangle in the wind the past few weeks. Notice how dallas and sd instantly said they were bringing back their hc’s. Al should have done the same thing. Lets be honest, no one worth a shit would have taken the job anyways.
Anyways you slice until Al gets a clue the Raiders will suck….Another 10 loss season is upon us. None of this “news” amounts to jack shit.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 5:48 PM PST reply actions
This Is Great
He said that if he is back which is now 99.99 percent true is that he will hire a person to take care of the Play Calling Responsibilities. Our Players Play hard for him let’s see what a 2 year Veteran Coach can give this team.
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I don't believe Cable or Al
I think we’re just going to repeat this year again. Russell will start and bomb, Cable will call ill advised plays, and we’ll lose.
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well, Rat, it takes a man
to ignore the disrespect.
by Spirals galore on Jan 23, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
agree.
i like cable. i think he did/does a great job w/ that makeshift off line we have.
i think the players really respect him. he does what he says and says what he does. loved it when he said the raiders would be in the playoffs w/o jamarcus (btw isnt that insubordination? didnt lane get fired for saying the same thing?). could care less that he beat up hanson or his girlfriends.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
this one time
I agree with you—I think the whole thing with Cable’s violence is blown out of proportion. That’s what I don’t like about the media—they are desperate for news (“publish or perish”), so they run away with any tenuous lead they have.
by Spirals galore on Jan 23, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
now i can sleep tonite
you agree w me…..
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
we shall overcome
in honor of mlk day last week. lets squash it and live in harmony
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think we all share his dream!
Mr. Rat. It’s good to see the eschewing of unnecessary foul language (occasionally it can be) and wishing death on Al. You seem to have good points, but the insistence on wishing Al dead sucks the wind out of your sails.
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Agree, the media strives for higher ratings and often stoops
I’m only interested in winning games and if Cable’s perspective on the game is improved by breaking someone’s jaw like Hanson’s – well, collateral damage. The woman beating thing was a joke – and the Bay Area media and N.East Coast media showed themselves to be the feces eating jackals they are.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 23, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
hanson
looks like a guy you would wanna punch.
who calls the cops?? what a puss.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
He definitely has a very punchable quality about him, does he not?
Especially those photos! It’s uncanny!
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So does cable.
But I’m afraid if you hit him 1 of 2 things will happen:
1) He’ll deflate like the balloon he is.
2) He’ll eat you.
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Bay Area Media
Seriously, we have a terrible media for a supposedly big market.
That is all for now.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 23, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions
Al treasures loyalty among all else
so this is not a big surprise. The same guy who is reporting this is the same guy who was predicting Cable would be fired. Cable is under contract so why was it necessary for Davis to come out and say he is retaining Cable. It was not the Raiders saying Cable would be fired, it was the irresponsible media reporting that Cable would be fired.
Cable from day one had said this was his dream job, never did he say a bad word about working for the Raiders, always it was we are going to get this right etc. That is speaking Al’s language so no surprise here. But, if he is not in the playoffs next year he will be history. Many things Cable said in his year end report were revealing. He was open to giving much more freedom to his coaches, was willing to turn over play calling to someone else etc. I have no doubts that that was a subject of conversation between Al and Cable. I think Al was behind the benching of Russell or at least was in agreement with it. The failure of Russell has nothing to do with Cable or Hackett and Al knows that. I guarantee Al was in agreement with starting the rookie wide receivers also, therefore he should have known that Cable was put in a very bad spot, but Cable put a good face on, and didn’t say a word. This next season there are no excuses allowed for Cable, the rookies should blossom, and Russell or Gradkowski better be the difference or it is the last we will see of Cable. The Raiders have a lot of draft picks this year, two 2nds I believe so they better strike gold. The Raiders need OL and LB’s, let’s see them draft some. Two of last years draft class are LB’s who played sparingly this year, one of them should make a mark this year. I want McClain out of Alabama but will probably have to settle for a OL instead. I can live with Cable for one more year if he is not calling plays.
Just saw it on ESPN
This is good gentelmen. If we can bring Hue Jackson, we have a running shot. But im not gonna get ahead of myself, Im gonna let the draft determine my opinion. Were heading in the right direction. Now all we need is the right pieces
Thats what she said
Great news
For a while I thought Cable was getting the ax . Great to hear he is staying on board. The team loves the guy and I think it would have been disastrous to replace him.
This, added to the news of hiring Mike Waufle, means a lot. Now all we need is a good OC to handle the play calling duties.
It wont surprise me to see Russell on the bench come week 1.
Now Al, go out and get Vick, I know you want to.
would love to see mike vick
as a raider. dungy already advised him (last offseason) not to entertain the notion however. he does need money, and no one knows how to over pay free agents better than oaktown (well dan snyder might). so it may happen.
i love grads but dont think he has enough talent to be a sucessful full-time starter. would love him to prove me wrong however
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 7:25 PM PST reply actions
Vick?
I would despise seeing Vick in a Raiders jersey. Gradkowski has way more drive and determination than Vick. Vick my exceed him in raw “talent”, but i would take heart over talent on most days. This late in his career, Vick isn’t turning any corners. He was drafted to be a new breed, and now he is….hes the first change of pace Quaterback. Bring him in for a few plays here and there and see what he can get you. That’s about it.
Nice!, some stability.... but hopefully we pick up a good OC, thats all we need now.
The RaiderLaker
"thats all we need now"
how about
gm
director of college personel
a solid draft pick w/ that numer 8 pick. we cant afford another dhb
an offensive line
should i continue????
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
The “all we need now” is speaking straight from a logical point of view. We aren’t getting a GM and we arent getting a director of college personnel. So throw those ideas (esp. a GM) out the window. Its a waste of time to sit here and think about improving the team through ways that are not plausible. Then again, its Al.
Sure we can use some O line help, but I’m not sold on the fact that the line that we have right now can’t be productive in the league. Hell, for more than half of the season Cable was working with a makeshift line due to injuries.
by agoodolpr1ck on Jan 23, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
rat, The solid pick should be a RT(Trent Williams) in the draft. if it is not then yeah ill be pissed; cuz Green sux.
as for GM, Al proly wont do it now, we’ll get that when he feels like it,(of coarse i want a gm). Besides all we need is to win atleast 8 games, so yeah “thats all we need now”.
The RaiderLaker
We HAVE HAVE HAVE to go Off Line with 8th pick
we have to find a solid lineman who will be around for the next 10 years. I think we should use or 2nd round on another o-line man as well.
The most important position in football is the o-line.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 23, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
... all we need to go 8-8
but to go beyond that mediocrity we need 2 OTs, 2DTs, a MLB & a LCB …then the playoffs for sure … und den zee vurld.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 23, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hell yeah.
But I’ll be happy with 8-8 next season. It’s pretty sad, but its the damn truth.
by agoodolpr1ck on Jan 23, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
We could have had 8-8 this season
K.C2, S.D.1&2 (combined -16 pts), then Washington and Cleveland. Throw in Baltimore, because we were seriously in that one into the 4th quarter, so that would make us 9-6.
But, we wouldn’t have gone anywhere thereafter. The Lines must be built to go beyond wildcard week.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 23, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
My ideal draft again
1. Bruce Campbell – OT
2. Brandon Spikes – MLB
3. D’Anthony Smith – DT
3. Selvish Capers – OT (from NE)
4. D’Syd Thompson – CB
5. Jeff Byers – OG
5. Run Stopping DT (from NE)
6-7. Best Special teamers available or development QB (not named JR)
Cambell over McClain?
It’s true the O-Line is greatest need but someone like Rolando could be the leadership this team desperately needs on that side.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 23, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
I really like Campbell after reading about him
absolute mauler in run ganme and has quickness to be a GREAT pass blocker.
Plus he is a workout warrior so aas we all know will (or should) be on AL’s radar.
People at Maryland call him a bigger version of Vernon Davis.
Plus I don’t think there is that big a dropoff between McLain and Spikes.
bigger dropoff than you might think
near equals in the run game and with blitzing, but pass coverage there is a HUGE disparity in my mind.
Spikes lacks the speed and awareness in man coverage and lacks that awareness in that mid-zone that the Raiders so frequently had the MLB playing this year.
In fact, for me, that lack of ability in pass coverage makes Spikes my third choice for a MLB (behind Micah Johnson who might actually go in the third because injury [he would be back by training camp])
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Coverage skills are a must for our 4-3 middle addition we're seeking
and I think they’re clearly high on Al’s list. It’s i preparation for the division’s deadly TE’s, and big, strong, and fast wideouts. When they bring the whole package, it’s even better. You don’t think Spikes can develop the coverage skills? Micah seems a likely scenario as Al notoriously isn’t afraid of taking risks on injured guys, making them steals where they are, if they indeed heal, as Michael Bush and Fargas did.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Excellent points. McClain brings much more to the team with pass coverage
and D-game management (in addition to his run-stopping excellence). And Al’s drafting skills are at their best when he’s in his bargain basement mode. His 1st Rounders, for some inexplicable reason, are (how should I put it) unfortunate.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Thompson
That’s Syd’Quan, by the way.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 23, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Candid Cam
Cam Inman writes his initial piece on Tom Cable being retained as head coach.
One thing the Raiders have done consistently — other than losing — is to stand by Cable as their coach, through all his off-field scandals and on-field defeats. More on those later.
This does little to affirm the Raiders’ future. That franchise’s fate revolves around two figures: Davis’ tight grip on personnel matters and JaMarcus Russell’s tenuous roster spot.
Did Cable win a me-or-Russell debate with Davis? Did Cable offer up a solution (an intervention) to reboot Russell’s development? Did Davis realize no one wants to coach the Raiders as badly as Cable?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 23, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions
this, above all, is the heart of the coaching interview carousel
It’s all about JRock, I’m afraid.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Because Russell will remain
and Cable will bow to Davis so he doesn’t lose his job instead of trying to help the team.
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Did Davis realize no one wants to coach the Raiders as badly as Cable?
No one with any history of HC wants too. But surely there’s another person who’s better than Cable. At this point I’d take Callahan back.
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I didn't hate Callahan. Don't think he'll be on the market, though.
i believe he likes his job where he is. Callahan called the players “the dumbest team, he’s coached,” in one of those media coach tirades, if you remember.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Well it was an
exaggeration to make a point. The Jets won’t let him go. And he’s doing a good job there. Had he not called the team stupid, I think he would have been forgiven the 4-12 year.
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I actually think Callahan's one of those guys that belongs coordinating
not acting as Head, as evidenced by certain things he said and did, that ultimately, as you pointed out, could’ve cost his job.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
if cable is the coach, what about hue?
we cant go through another year where cable is the head coach, offense coordinator, and o line coach. now hue from the ravenswould be a good choice as the o coordinator. he also developed carson palmer, joe flacco just to name a few. he could help j russell. we do know cable could not but liked gradorski and frye. hue also is another positive coach that coached with cable. maybe al wasnt going to fire cable and get more people in here to help surport him like waffle and hue. so al wanted to see where hue was an o coordinator. as the world turns with the raiders.
by sports with steve on Jan 23, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions
Not only did he develop Flacco and Palmer, but CJ and TJ as well. Really hope they make him OC
by agoodolpr1ck on Jan 23, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
I bet Cable suggested a plan for Russell to give him another chance, and that chance would
come by bolstering the O-line in the draft and maybe Free Agency and in the very first few games lets say 2-3, if russell still sux they pull him and start Grads the rest of the way. I think thats why Al still stuck with Cable cuz of his plan, which obviously should be that. I still believe Russell sux but hopefully with a revamped O-line lets see what the clown can do…and the major pieces are RT, RG, and then C.
The RaiderLaker
The thing that worries me is that if we do get a new playcaller how would Russell take it.... lets face it ,the guy can't read well or memorize things well...lol
which is cool cuz we’ll just start Grads sooner. But seriously im willing to bet that Russell has had trouble with the Playbook.
The RaiderLaker
I think you might be on to something here, too, Raider9
I’ts always something more than meets the eye with Al and the Raiders. We never know the complete ulterior motives until after the fact.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I think that this is good news...We have to have some continuity at some point...
I do not believe that there is anything bad that comes out of the deciscion to keep Cable. I hope that what this really means is that Al was all for the deciscion to bench JR, and maybe he does not believe JR is untouchable as many on here have suggested before.
What really puzzles me about the whole situation is how the entire situation was and still is being handled by the Raiders. Herrera is still saying as of just a few minutes ago that this report is false and that no deciscion has been made. If this is in fact a done deal, then why not just come out and say, yes, we have made a deciscion. I undestand that they really do not have to say anything since Cable is still under contract and the only reason there should be news would be if we let him go. IMO this situation has not been handled well at all, the Raiders organization should not have let this blow up to be the huge media story that it has become with everyone waiting with baited breath to see what the word out of Alameda is going to be.
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by Ozraider on Jan 23, 2010 10:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Happy :)
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Jan 23, 2010 10:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Double post fail
Sad.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Jan 23, 2010 10:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Who says
that Al Davis let Coach Cable dangle in the wind? Al Davis is a very secretive man, almost everything he does is behind closed doors. For all people know, Al could have notified Coach Cable he was being retained immediately and went about the business of hiring other staff members. A process that Mr. Cable could have been very involved in, his top two candidates have ties with the coach afterall. I think that Coach Cable has known for a while of Mr. Davis’ decision and has gone along with the ploy. Maybe Coach Cable has found a way to do what several former coaches couldn’t, work with Al Davis. I think he has a chance to be a good coach, but he definitely needs a few less responsibilities.
Now put this dead issue to bed and focus on improving the coaching staff and roster!
Well said
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Jan 23, 2010 11:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Raiders (John Herrera) deny that a decision on Cable is final
From PFT.com who quotes the AP as its source:
The Raiders have spent the last few days denying reports that they’re looking at head-coaching candidates.
The Raiders are now denying a report that they’ve decided to keep the head coach they have.
Raiders senior executive John Herrera told the Associated Press that the process of evaluating Tom Cable has not concluded. Herrera also pointed out that the team has not said Cable will be back next season.
But, as many Raiders have pointed out recently, why should the Raiders have to announce that Cable will still be their head coach?
It’s therefore the first concrete piece of evidence that Cable might not be back next season.
And it remains possible that the Raiders and owner Al Davis are simply trying to mess with the media.
Until Cable, the new head coach or Al Davis holds a press conference to announce who the head coach is, nothing is to be believed.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
I think Al just loves screwing with the media
Cable will be back
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Jan 24, 2010 1:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, and Oz, I knew I was replying to you, but calling attention to Mike's
dissatisfaction with this “announcement,” and its implications, and that we are merely judging before we should.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I saw this, too, Mike. Which was why I said, there is a lot of offseason left!
It appears many people are right about the dearth of qualified coaches willing to join us, but we never know! I don’t think this decision is final, whatsoever.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
yea yea
we went through this last year too and Cable was announced as HC after the Superbowl.
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I know, man! It's more than likely gonna be a shitty decision!
But this hoopla is about Jamarcus, and he’s not out of the woods yet, by any means.
Our best hope is that this whole shit has been over Jamarcus, and when Al is finally done seeing if Tom can or can’t convince him, he may just demote him to line coach!
We have no clue, as usual, so why be negative at this point?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Because while we still have a lot of offseason
we’re far enough into it that we can name who the coach will be or won’t be. And this all smell like the begging of this last season where Cable was retained. If Cable is the last resort, he may have Davis by the balls a little bit and can ask for a GM too. If no one really wants to come here, why not push the envelope. But again Cable wont’ cause any waved that may put his job in jeopardy cuz he’s a selfish loser. The tide never changes if you don’t make waves.
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I believe this is almost exactly what Sons has been saying for quite some time now!
And also of the qualities of the type of coach we’ll need to succeed here. Does such a man exist (not named Jon Gruden)?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yes.
but it requires a “football guy” they won’t be hired. Because Davis is a liar. Any coach with a brain (not Cable) could have success here if they could be allowed to do their job. That’s why we’re going to settle for Cable. No one wants Cable (the other teams) and no one wants to come here.
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Bringing Cable back is a foolish decision
If we hired an OC and a decent HC and Al didn’t meddle so much we’d be fine.
But Cable doesn’t belong in a HC position any where. Continuity is fine, only if it’s a winning spirit. Not being able to win the next game is just horrible. The fact is Cable is being retained by default because no one with any merit wants to come to Oakland to coach because they know they can’t install their system and do their job. This is why we need a GM or that illusive “football guy” Al lied to us about.
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Continuity
if you ask me, not bringing back Cable would mean we’d be starting everything over yet again. We can’t keep stating over year in and year out. You have to start then keep it going until it has no run left in it.
And to me Cable has plenty of run left in him. For what he had to work with most of the year, he managed to beat multiple upper-tier NFL teams though consistency was an issue.
And while there is no guarantee that issue won’t stay the same this year, there’s no guarantee it won’t change either. But bringing back a guy who knows the team and what they can and can’t do is better than bringing in a guy who would have to learn the team all over again.
Cable said he’d be wiling to give up playcalling, and it even seemed that he’d prefer to. I also think Davis likes that as well. I can practically guarantee a new OC who will be taking over playcalling.
I have have no doubt that JaMarcus Russell was a hot topic during the Cable-Davis talks. Me thinks that Cable and Davis both agree that Grad was better last year and chances are we’ll see an actual open competition. Cable is definitely an Al puppet, but doesn’t that mean Davis told him to pull the plug on Russell? Very interesting…….
Davis has his skill positions set with young developing talent, now even he has to think it’s time for the trenches and the front-seven to see some work done. Don’t expect many big FA moves (I predict only one major FA move), but I think we’ll see one crazy draft. Al has been too conventional with his draft as of late, expect some kind of big curveball on draft day.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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Wow.
Normally I’ll agree with you, but I think you’re expecting too much. I expect Al to fuck in the draft again and on competition for starting QB. Expect to see Russell talk the field opening day. Cable made the decision to pull Russell, but it was too late in the season to be useful, and the fact we’re probably going to keep him around doesn’t bode well for Cable’s term this season. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a mid-season firing. Cable should give up play calling. Forever. But time will tell if we really get an OC of it the passing coordinator will be the play caller. An intelligent coach wouldn’t take long to learn the team and who can and can’t do what. I firmly believe that Cable has no more run in him. Not to mention we still haven’t had a GM, and now that coaches are picked and decided upon, you can rule that out again this season.
With Cable and Russell still on the payroll, we’re in for another losing year.
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He won't F up the Draft, he wants Russell to succeed,Hence he will Draft O-line and reinforce maybe trough Free Agency also.
But if Russell doesn’t show improvement he will be benched sooner.
The RaiderLaker
In that regard, the Russell project works out well for us by makiing the O-Line upgrade
a top priority.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 24, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Offensive Tackles
As far as the draft goes, it looks like Bruce Campbell and Anthony Davis will be available when it’s our turn to pick. Peace out, Cornell Green.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if Green can be put inside and convert to RG,Cooper aint cutting it, he is not strong.
atlest as a backup RG im tired of watching Cooper get manhandled, just quickness and finess, my ass, we need power inside. hopefully we pick up a dude in FA.
The RaiderLaker
With good OTs that Greene experiment might be worth trying
might even reduce the penalties on him – Tackle is too demanding for Cornell
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 24, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'd still rather see
Langston Walker get a shot at RG after how amazing he was filling in for Gallery late in the year. Mauler in run-blocking and surprisingly decent in pass protection.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Gotta keep Langston. Plug him in the spot he belongs, when you have the personnel
such that you’re not using the best guy you’ve got by default, instead of him actually being the best guy of multiple guys.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
i never said he'd do great in the draft
I simply stated the trenches and front-seven would see work, I never stated if this would be FA or draft or if this work would pay off. I also said that this would be a crazy draft, not necessarily a good one.
I’m keeping my expectations decidedly low for next year since the past two years I’ve predicted 7-9. I’ll go……7-9 this year since my heart is thinking 8-8.
And if Cable is the puppet everyone says he is (including myself), then wasn’t it Davis’s decision to say enough is enough and pull Russell as much as it was Cable’s?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
adding to Russell
all of Davis’s asking around about Russell with coaches might not be so much finding a coach who believes in him, but seeing just how the rest of the league thinks of him. That just screams about Davis “I’M HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS GUY”
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
never thought of that, interesting point
we’ll see how preseason goes … I expect 1 more year of this albatross
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 24, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
as do I, but the leash is decidedly shortened
and the same to me is true of DHB. If either two start because of the so-called “Davis Scholarship” (see Sam Williams), it won’t be for long if they don’t show promise. I say at most 5 games for both if there’s no potential shown. But in the case of Russell, this is only true if we retain Grads (which is the closest thing to a guaranteed move this offseason for the Raiders)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
If we start Gradkowski,
which we won’t because of Russell’s contract and Davis’ unwilling to admit he’s wrong, we would have a better chance coming out with a winning attitude and can keep it going. If Russell starts, and he will, then if/when Gradkowski takes over we’ll have to fight a losing morale and work harder to get back on top.
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Well if lasts his 4th year here
I’d imagine the final 2 years too.
This years is uncapped so far, this would be the time to cut him. If we don’t unload him while we can, then we’re stuck for 2 more years after this.
He was a mistake, time to cut the losses and get some personnel that will come in here and right the ship. When you give an idiot coach a loser at helm, you’re gonna sink.
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very interesting take. also an interesting way to see what kind of trade value you might have
but others can be as savvy in this game as Al. I’d love to believe this was true!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Russell trade value?
You’d get a better pick for Davis’ jump suit.
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that's my point, man!
What better way for Al to see what a piece of garbage he can’t pay someone to take!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Wouldn't call it the best way to access a player (because it comes
after the fact and also relies on consensus opinion (even if those opinions are from professionals). I still believe the best method to evaluate a player is simply to watch that player’s play in various game situations. This other method, suggested by KA1Z3R, is subtle,even ingenious, and therefore worthy of our Machiavellian Prince (Al) who works in mysterious ways. .
We have brilliance in our midst in this kid named KA1Z3R
fn2. (unrelated thought?) Al must have his own hidden reason for retaining Cable … could it be as an excuse for the losing while the the Russell project is underway?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
interesting theory
but I think when his staying might be the difference between a long-term contract with Richard Seymour, Nnamdi playing that optional third-year of his contract, and the future of Thomas Howard who has a year left on his contract; I think even the women Cable allegedly assaulted would give him a chance.
if you don’t give Cable that chance, then you see the players immediately go back to being disgruntled and wanting out as soon as possible. Cable might have trouble with game planning and such, but he’s the only one who can motivate a team of disgruntled 2 win players to beat teams like Cincy, Pittsburgh, and Cincy and to play Baltimore tough.
If players are motivated and hungry to win, then that might be all you need to elevate a team. It sounds cliche, but it has proven true.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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Don't buy the assumption that only Cable can motivate the team
People are comparing things to the demoralized past 7 years but there are dozens of guys out there that could motivate this team, and do most everything else better than this current Schweinhund. Also, if you give Tom credit for Phili,Cinci & Pittsburg then also give him credit for every game we lost after a win. I have a theory about why we win the big games, i.e. Cable is loose when the expectations of success are low but chokes when when everyone expects us to win. When he’s under pressure he chokes and when there’s no pressure (ironically in the biggest games) he doesn’t botch things as much – Dallas was the exception because Cable completely choked (from the kickoff on) how could that be if Dallas was so strong and expectations were that we were doomed? That wasn’t the belief at all, people believed after Cincinnati that we could take Dallas down – that but pressure on Cable – who actually is his own worst enemy (very much like Jamarcass) … too pumpkins in the same patch.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm finding the sudden injection of German in your posts, fascinating
to say the least! Just watch Beerfest or something? Love that movie!
I’m German-Irish, and meine Mutter, (I give it up to those who can find umlauts in MSN) hails from Stuttgart, Germany. Was born during WWII. In fact her father was wounded in battle and run over by a German tank when she was two. My dad’s grandfather was an Irish immigrant to the New England area, and his father settled in Boston.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
mein Fatter (coach Cable is fatter) family hails from Strasbourg
coming over before WWI (and persecuted for being German … don’t blame the Yanks the Kaiser was an asshole).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
If not for an interesting turn of events, and the Kaiser
This nation was not far from being a German speaking country. It was completely due to unfavorable way the immigrant population we were came to look unfavorably upon Germans, for more reasons than one…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
In many ways, what some are suggesting is making the Raiders another team
much like the Chiefs are becoming all former Patriots. Will this be a formula for success for them? Who knows!
I love Crennel as a DC, I think Todd Haley gets much better, still think Matt Cassell was a mistake, but overall see the Chiefs on an uphill climb, but think they’re making themselves, and their division better with every move.
The players we have may just be young enough to not lose too much with the bringing in of a new coach. It can hardly affect the chemistry, as this group of guys hasn’t played together for long, nor have they actually established any kind of identity or typical MO on either side of the ball, save for some defensive starts who’ve come to excel at their respective positions.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
This is what scares me.
The other 3 teams in our division are making moves to better themselves and we’re allowing ourselves to settle for coach that has no business being a coach. It amazes me how every one that sticks up for Davis can’t see this as clear as day. They’d rather blindly follow Davis into the path of a freight train. We need a GM, then that would likely lure more coaches here with the ability to coach. Right now Cable is the best we can do. Am I the only one that makes sad?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
You're right, MIke. Many coaches want to know who their gm will be before even considering a job
It’s no question who it is here, hence the endless line of talented, willing, a ready to take this team to the super bowl coaches this Raider’s team currently has!
Okay, folks, the sarcasm was pretty damned thick right there…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
hmmmmmm
Ok well allow me to elaborate some on this…
Mike while I do agree with you about needing to dump Russel, get a play caller/OC, and bring in a real GM, Cable truely had his hands tied… The last coach to openly dump on Russel was fired during the season two years ago for cause… How many times do you think Cable met with Davis, or called him mid game to ask permission to bench him? You and I will never know the answer to that question. Nor will we know how the conversation went when he finally did sit him down during the Jets game… But I do Guarantee that it did NOT happen without Al’s Blessing!
Secondly JR is out of options. He will probably be kept around through training camp and preseason to see if he can gain the missing aspects of his game (leadership, work ethic, accuracy) and trim down to a respectable weight. But he is not longer guaranteed any money, he has to earn his pay check now. So if he don’t shape up they will definitely ship his ass out.
Third The OL definitely needs some improvement, but isn’t that far off. Proof be told it was mostly the lack of depth that was hurting their productivity more than anything. Bring in some more quality offensive linemen and get some decent preseason competition for position going this year. But we gotta get more depth on the line than we’ve had in recent years.
Fourth Blitz More Damnit… Look at what we did to Philly and Cincy when we brought the pressure on the QB. Gotta move forward with the times. I think the D we have can get the job done but we gotta have ball control on offense and keep the D fresh. They also have to play aggressively like Raider teams of old.
Fifth I don’t believe Cable is the best we can do, but he is the best we can do without an actual GM to play middle man between Al and the coach of Al’s Team. I would kill to have Cowher, Gruden, or even Haslet. But we will not get a HC of their cailber without a GM. Another thing to think about here is the fact that we do need more consistency within the organization. Though it may not seem like it it’s better to have Cable for another year and allow the consistency within the organization the time to do what it’s supposed to do and create team cohesion.
Ok I am now done ranting.
-Kevin
Russell’s guranteed 18 million weather he sits or we ship him out. He’ll last at least 4 games this season, so we’re gonna start in the hole against a much upgraded AFC West.
Al Davis dislikes the bltiz, so expect more conservative defense. Though Marshall seems willing to think outside the box and push the limits than Ryan ever did.
your assessment of why we’re settling for Cable is interesting, and I agree with it as well as your take on the OL. But it still doesn’t absolve Cable of his complete ineptness.
If we get an OC I’ll be willing to admit we may have a chance this upcoming season.
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Pretty good points, Kev. Unfortunately the Al part of the equation puts all of it a little in question
That’s actually been the scenario I heard almost word for word from Pat Kirwan on his radio show, a guy I believe knows the personnel and GM/owner GM part of the biz.
that being said, I think the best thing we could do is get rid of him right now, take him out of the equation entirely, and allow this organization to focus on winning, not continue on this quest to find a way to do it with Jamarcus…
Here again, the Al part of the equation; I just hope there’s a ghost of a chance that some are accurate that even Al is coming around on how poorly Jamarcus fits the NFL mold.
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Great game going on here, btw!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I hope the Saints defense
take off Favre’s arm and sucker punch him with it.
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lmao! i hope they bludgeon him with it!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
lulz the raiders pretty much brought themselves 8th losing seasons bringing this guy back
I hate saying it but I really hope the raiders go 1-15 or 0-16 sooo the front office will finally see the light….. It’s a sad sight to see a team that you rooted for all your life not wanna better themselves and attempt to get a superbowl win :/ Count me out on going to these games this season…… ,and if you guys think Jamarcus russell ,and his crew will pull off a winning record plz do us a favor and /wrist lol
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O Line
It doesn’t matter. Owner, HC, OC. What we need is a strong offensive line. This will be the key to the whole issue of Russell. Our QBs need better protection and more time to throw in the pocket. A good O line will settle the issue, once and for all, as to whether Russell is good enough or not. With a good O Line, if Russell still struggles, while the others succeed, it will be proof that he is worthless. Then there will be no more excuses or reasons for Al or Cable to keep him around. Also, with our Offense putting more points on the board, and with less 3 and outs, our Defense will step up and perform. They proved they can do it. I am sure it is extremely demoralizing for a defense to go in after our offense consistently fails to do their job. Why go in and bust tail when you are going to lose anyway? Why risk injury only to lose? Why bust your ass when you do your job, but still lose because you can’t score? WE NEED A GOOD OFFENSIVE LINE. No coach, owner, quarterback, offensive coordinator is going to change our losing until we address this issue. The Offensive Line is the key to all of this.
as it is to every successful NFL team. It's still won in the trenches.
Indy’s guys quietly get it done, and deserve almost as much credit as Peyton gets (key words, almost; Peyton is spectacular).
New Orleans guys consistently hold up to keep Brees among the least sacked guys in the league.
That being said, Jamarcus lacks the clock in his head that tells qb’s to get rid of the ball! Pat Kirwan and Ross Tucker visited minicamps this preseason and used a stopwatch to time Jamarcus’ release of the ball, as they did similarly with other teams they visited.
Guess what? Jamarcus averaged over 5 seconds. That’s right, 5. Peyton never exceeded 3. In fact, if you look at whoever successfully took Peyton or Drew out of their games, they locked down guys from being open by jamming them and get in the qbs face in less than 3 seconds.
In this aspect, Jamarcus is light years away, and Gradkowski’s prowess with that same clock was demonstrated in that Pittsburgh game. I think you put Jamarcus behind the New England line from two years ago, where it was ridiculous how long he had back there, maybe Jamarcus looks capable. Aside from that, you’ll find out next year, if and when we do get blockers or not, that Jamarcus will never make it in this league.
Al should’ve listened to touchdown Tim’s assessment of Russell when he consulted him; why ask, if you won’t listen?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
My point exactly
I read the article on the Mannings and New Orleans. Archie Manning was one of the great quarterbacks to play the game. However, because the offensive line couldn’t protect him, the Saints were at bottom of the barrel team for decades. Even with a quarterback of his caliber, they could never win games. He was the most sacked quarterback of all time. This proves the point for an offensive line. Unless you have a Randall Cunningham as your quarterback, you will never win enough games to count. Which is why I say that Russell will have no excuses if he doesn’t perform to his “potential”. If he can’t produce, but the other two can, even Al won’t be able to justify keeping him around. Even Al couldn’t claim to be that blind with that kind of proof. Beef up that Offensive Line and let Russell either sink or swim. The rest will take care of itself.
It's puzzled me, that the man who assembled the Shell, Upshaw, Dalby, Otto lines
Has let it come to this. Maybe the circle becomes complete this time around?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Manning was not one of the great quarterbacks to play the game
But I do think Russell may serve a useful purpose being around, if Al truly is still enamored with him, by making our sieve-of-a-line the critical focus in acquisitions.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions

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