The Big Question: McClain, Cody, or....Both?
by KA1Z3R on Jan 24, 2010 1:52 PM PST
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Everyone and their uncle Larry knows that the Raiders run defense has been horrid as of late. Most of us are hoping and praying Al Davis drafts someone with that #8 pick to help with the run defense, whether it be a LB or a NT.
Two names commonly spoken on here are Rolando McClain and Terrance Cody. For a long time I've been favoring McClain, but now I question if he can succeed without great DT play like he had in Bama. So then I started to wonder if Cody could elevate the play of the linebackers we already have.
No one that we can get with our two second round picks really matches just how overwhelming Cody is and how much he elevates the rest of the defense, and no one at LB screams "next Ray Lewis" in the later rounds like McClain.
Then it hit me.........
What if we can get both?
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McClain would have to be the #8 pick in this scenario. No if's, and's, or but's about it. After that it's kind of a guessing game with Cody.
Many draft boards have Cody either very late in the first, or not in the first at all (several big draft boards have him as the #50 pick). But what if he were to be in the first at say around 25 or so. The Raiders do have two second round picks. Chances are that most teams in that mid-to-late 20's and 30 range are thinking quantity over quality. Two second round picks sounds like just the right trade ammo for such a move.
Plus we would still have our third for a RT (since there's plenty of ZBS candidates in the later rounds) and those run defense woes could have been solved in one swoop.
Cody eating up blockers, McClain and Howard chasing down running backs or shooting through gaps to make a play in the backfield (I didn't say Morrison because I have the dark feeling he won't be back). Plus we would have a fiery leader in McClain and a guy he trusts in Cody.
Signing these two could also be an easy task since I bet they'd be dying to play together in the NFL. McClain's presence could also smooth over some hearsay of a bad work ethic/character issues of Cody.
Al would have two of the best physical specimens in the draft, we would get some good run D. Plus Al has traded up like this before, I almost expect him to this year IF Cody is still around. Two second round picks, a chance at two great athletes, it actually makes sense; which is the one reason why I won't guarantee this.
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OFFENCE gosh darnit
with no points comes no wins. Let’s protect the QB 1’st then we can focus on the run stop. God bless the Nation!
Offensive Line
It isn’t as bad as our run defense. It shows with a competent quarterback under center.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
plus there’s lots of youth on that O-Line in Satele and Henderson of whom I’d like to see develop.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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Based on what we could possibly get through the draft and FA to fill holes....
There is no question I would go offensive line in round 1. I would grab Anthony Davis in round 1. Then, in round 2, there is a strong possibility that MLB Brandon Spikes will be available and without question that would be my selection if that was the case.
Obviously, the collective bargaining negotiations and the prospect of them not reaching a deal creates the possibility that there will not be many free agents available. However, assuming that a collective bargaining agreement is reached, the Green Bay Packers will likely have to chose between resigning DT’s Johnny Jolly or Ryan Pickett. Both these players have very strong years as massive two gap DE’s/DT’s in Green Bay’s 3-4. If we could sign one of these players and pair him with Spikes in the middle, I am inclined to believe run defense could actually quickly become a strength of our defense.
by casualinquisition on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
+100
Must solidify the D line first; drafts are generally deep in O linemen. Like to get a fast LB as well.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
We have too many needs
to be trading up IMO. We have no first in next year’s stacked draft. We need to get a serious O-line, then worry about putting the pieces around it. We need to win the battles in the trenches. If Okong drops to us in the first, great. If not, McLain or trade down and take the kid from Rutgers. Trent Williams is very overrated according to advanced metrics. I think in the 2nd and 3rd rounds we will have a good chance to get great ZBS blockers.
The Raiders don’t have two second round picks.
They have two third round picks.
As much as I would like to have both players, unless there’s a right tackle and a right guard out there that we can draft in the third round we have to address one of those positions in the second round. I do agree that McLain is essential if he’s there at 8, though. Morrison is just terrible, especially against the run. I’ve never seen a MLB in the wrong gap as often as he is. It’s almost like he doesn’t want to tackle somebody head-on and would rather chase them after they’re through the hole. Very frustrating to watch that guy, and it would be nice to have someone that isn’t afraid to stick his nose in and actually make a tackle in the right gap.
Used to post once in awhile on the Bay Area Raider site, but got a little tired of reading about the team coming out completely unprepared for games and had to let it go for awhile.
by edward teach on Jan 24, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I've been down on Morrison this year but have come to believe he is just not in the right
spot. He is not a MLB by temperament or ability. In fairness, he is usually a sure tackler who has had to make plays with his DL pushed into his zone which takes away his momentum for tackles. Against him, he does not hit with intensity or punish anyone and he is out of position – faked out – much too often, plus I question his leadership and play-calling abilities for the most difficult position on D. Bottom line, if Kirk stays he must be moved to an OLB with Howard opposite. Put Scott back at DE with Ellis or Shaughnessy … and trade Seymour for an O-lineman.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 24, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
and there are those who say you're beyond admitting your mistakes, here, Sons
Surely, they jest!
Kirk has too many qualities to not keep him on to compete and help develop the youth. He is no captain at LB. He needs someone to assume that role, and unleash his physical attributes.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Conforming myself to the truth is what matters. I thank those who help me
replace a held opinion for one that comes even closer to the truth.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Morrison
I doubt that he’s brought back.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
traded?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
that's right. do you agree they'll let him go?
I think definitely if we get a McClain or Spikes, but I also see him excelling in a Sam position, maybe even at Will.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Im pretty sure
He came into the NFL at the OLB position. But keeping him around would be too expenisve, He wants MLB money, When we need to resign Thomas Howard, A way better Lb
Thats what she said
I Doubt it, I think Al finally understands that he needs to take an O-linemen, to help that 30 million dollar investment of his.
In the first round, if not then he’s as senile as ever.
The RaiderLaker
I love the idea, but think trading down to get Cody would be reaching
if he fell to us in the second after getting McClain in the first! I’d wet my pants! both out of confusion in how well I though we picked, and in elation for the directly addressing personnel holes that been missing from our drafts of late.
But I’m in agreement with some of the guys about if there is a rare talent at tackle, we take him first, and do our best with Spikes in the second, or maybe Cody, and whatever MLB we can salvage.
It’ll be interesting to see if our new DL coach has any say in the matter. I’m inclined to believe Al appreciates this guy’s instincts and will take his evaluation seriously. Hopefully a GM he’s gonna hire (yeah right!) will too!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yeah, there were times when trying to read that blog that you had to scroll through about two-thirds of the comments just to keep from reading the same old stuff over and over.
Speaking of the draft, Joe Haden from Florida at 8 would not surprise me even a little bit. I wouldn’t like it, but a 4.3 corner with press skills to play opposite Nnamdi might be too difficult for the old man to pass up. Common sense on draft day is not exactly his forte.
I fear your instincts may serve you correctly, here, edward
I hope you’re wrong! Not that I don’t feel we need a solid corner, and he is one; I just don’t want us using our most valuable picks on anything but our most glaring holes. Agreed it’s O tackle, but if the best 1st round worthy guy isn’t there, we have to go with McClain if he is.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
School season kicking your ass, K? Haven't seen much of you during the week lately?
I believe the discussions of the events over the last week missed your input! Yours remains one of the sound voices of reason on matters overspeculated. I don’t think that’s a real word… but I like to make one up from time to time
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I totally F up my education, so now im still going to like a high school charter school.
He should give this up if its too much….
The RaiderLaker
True. but he's an amazingly talented young writer, and if this blog fuels his ability
to engage in intellectual discourse—perhaps the cornerstone of writing exams, term papers, even dissertations—than he should absolutely stick around.
I believe he manages his time wisely, hence why we don’t see him around when school is in full swing. But your advice about pouring yoursef into your hs education while your there, is always good advice.
I actually dropped out of HS to join the workforce, but ended up starting in my mid 20’s. In retrospect, it was the right thing to do for me. No way in hell I’d have given a shit right out of high school. When I had to pay for my own community college education, I poured myself into it 100%. I ended up graduating with about a 3.7 gpa and a ba in English Ed, and I wouldn’t have even finished had I tried to start right out of hs.
I’ll definitely do some grad school someday, but it’s not in the cards at the current moment.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
meant to say, starting college at 24
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
ha ha sorry man
I’ve been around in the comments every now and then but right now I’m also trying to immerse myself more into the NBA. I love my San Antonio Spurs (though they really suck lately) and want to know more of the NBA. If for the fact that being knowledgeable in more than 1 sport really helps with getting a job in the sports coverage field.
Actually I will very rarely if ever study. I just manage to learn it all in school without needing any after school homework or study. Plus I got a girlfriend and I try to see/talk to her as much as I can. ;)
But when FA and the draft get into full-swing you can bet I will be here. Roster/team evaluation is what I live for. For the time being, coach and assistant coach moves just don’t interest me. But find me a good draft or FA topic and I’ll be all over that.
Wishing the Super Bowl would hurry up and finish,
KA1Z3R
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
sounds like you've got your priorities in the right place, my young Raider brother
You have everything you need to get a job in sportswriting; go after it and it’s yours!
That’s kinda how I rolled in school too. Not so much in hs, but def in college. Keep doing your thing, man!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I try analyzing as much as I can
but sports are not my only interest. Filming and games(mostly entertainment in general) have been battling my interest of being a scout or a football analyst.
NFL Draft Prospects
Here’s a list of players that I think Al Davis is considering in no particular order:
- Rolando McClain
- Joe Haden
- Tim Tebow
- Taylor Mays
- Everson Griffen
- Carlos Dunlap
- Bruce Campbell
- Anthony Davis
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:03 PM PST reply actions
Tebow
Although his college success doesn’t translate into the NFL, he’s a winner with a lot of swagger. Plus, his girlfriend is on American Idol. Al Davis loves young love, right?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
You don't think Al likes McCoy, imo, the only NFL ready guy
over Tebow (he’s got God power, like Kurt Warner, never underestimate it! lol!)
Tebow is not an NFL guy. We all know that.
Also, I’ll give up football altogether if we use one of our first 3 round picks on qb.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Quarterback Prospects
I have McCoy ranked lower than Tebow. Like Tebow, McCoy ran a spread offense. He had great talent around him and the Big 12 isn’t exactly known for defense. McCoy lacks arm strength and size.
As far as quarterbacks that are ready for the NFL, well, all of these guys better be. My top 10 quarterback list as follows:
- Jimmy Clausen
- Sam Bradford
- Jevan Snead
- Tony Pike
- Sean Canfield
- Bill Stull
- Tim Tebow
- Colt McCoy
- Max Hall
- Jonathan Crompton
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
That's the dig on McCoy; but I disagree on the arm strength
dude’s an athlete, and stayed away from the weights under direction of his coaches to improve his game.
The size factor is to me the most overestimated part of the game. Didn’t help Jamarcus, Daunte, Ryan Leaf…
They always jock dudes for that prototypical 6’6" 255 plus guy, with perfect throwing mechanics, but guys like Flutie, and Brees, and Gannon always prove them wrong. McCoy can throw rockets.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Dante to me shouldn't be grouped in there
since he was amazing with the Vikings and did a pretty decent job here with our sucktastic receivers. Remember, he was working with Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry (when he was kinda suckish)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
yeah. that was bad company to be in
good call, K!
He wasn’t bad with us, either! Not nearly as bad as Aaron Brooks, who could be spectacular for three quarters, then cost you the game with a Favrian throw in to coverage…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
hmm......
I’d add Terrance Cody to the list because Al just loves the big tough physical athletic prospects (why do you think Terdell Sands was here so long?)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
yeah, what happened to that big tough athletic prospect btw?
hmmm…..
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
certainly never showed up in this bldg.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I really don’t think Al will go OT with the first pick. Mario is his guy, and if he takes a LT it will be admitting a mistake. Too early to take a guard. My guess is that he shoots for RT/RG later on, and tries to get a playmaker on defense with the #8.
While I think it’s obvious that a tackle or Rolando McLain should be our first choice, I just don’t see Al doing that. He rarely shows commitment to the trenches early in the draft.
Here we go again ...
1. Bruce Campbell – OT
2. Brandon Spikes – MLB
3. D’Anthony Smith – DT
3. Selvish Capers – OT
4. Syd Quan Thompson – CB
5. Jeff Byers – OG
5. A big fat NT type
6-7. Best special teamers or dev QB
I like it Bud light
I’m a Bud fat drinker, but I don’t turn any flavor down!
I’m also afraid that means we’ll draft completely differently than that! Once again, can we somehow get one of us to be GM!
How about, we get one of us to hypnotize Al for the year, and see what happens?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Pretty close to what I would do.
Though I’d go with Brian Price DT in the 1st and John Jerry in the 5th.
Would be great if we could get both
Our linebacking corps inspires fear in no one, so we do need to upgrade it.
But I really like the idea of getting both these guys on the team if we could. I do think they fed off of each other at ’Bama, and could potentially be the “heart” of the defense at Oakland.
Bama chemistry, baby!
I’d love this pair!
That makes it highly unlikely…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
True'er Words Ne're Spoken' !!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 24, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
bama brotherhood bond is a plus but Cody is carrying way to much weight and, like we say
with the big Jet DT duo today, will get tired in the 2nd Half. I like him and believe the package with McClain would be great but have heard he also has work-ethic issues and I’ve seen him blow off plays (take a rest) on occasion.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 24, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
such an athlete for his size, though
I’m inclined to believe if our superb trainers get a hold of him, he possesses the drive to become a Reggie White type of guy.
So big and strong. I know you saw that highlight reel where he jumps like 5 feet and decelerates almost from a sprint to jump over a qb so’s to not crush him. Amazing talent.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
He carries it pretty well
actually this
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
okay, I'll just put the link in the text
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFynUthHUfA&feature=related
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Wow! "nimble" is apropos...he blocked some field goals with his surprising verticle leap
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
yes, and provided quite a lift to his defensive and special teams squads
I love the versatility utilizing him as a lead blocker, and maybe even as a tight end like we did Erik Pears this year. both of these guys would be a dream! and it’s not at all out of the question!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Hah, here I was dealing with stamina concerns and you're ready to play
… Cody both ways. Lucky for him Softy is coach … wouldn’t want to perish under the whip in 1st year of a multi-year contact.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
on both sides, but sparingly, of course!
We didn’t exactly wear Pears out this year…or Barnes. Or even any of our DTs.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I love your labels for TC! The Sta-Puft Marshmallow coach is still my favorite!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I'd stay away from Cody,
Unless we had a rotation with another big guy who can’t go all downs.
Cal Thomas comes to mind as a value pick for such a job.
Cody
That’s the knock on him. He’s not an every down player.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 24, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
We're all for rotations.
Anymore, positions like those that are constantly in harms way, is best addressed with rotations and lots of depth. Running back by committee, lot’s of lineman to stay fresh, and healthy. I think his positives far outweigh the digs, and look forward to his pro days and combines to prove it.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
actually
just because he doesn’t have a pass rush, doesn’t mean he can’t eat up blocks for guys like Kelly and especially Bryant to shoot through some gaps in the blocking.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
To further the point
He could not finish a workout this week and is currently weighing in at a sloppy 370Ibs per Gary Radnich.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Looks like Cam
is no longer a value pick. He has shot up the chart to the top ten after the Sr. Bowl.
trading up sounds great
and could prolly happen too, as long as we traded w/ someone like dallas or damned if i say it, new england who are pretty notorious for trading down like this. we have to be in front of minnesota though because if cody is still there i think they grab him. whether we trade or not though mcclain at number 8 makes the most sense, dood is a stud
why do you say minnesota would draft Cody?
just curious
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Williams
He is considering retirement according to a report.
Williams has one year remaining on his contract.
The three-time Pro Bowler said he feels fine physically, but is mentally “drained” after a devastating end to his 13th NFL season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 25, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
huh never knew he'd been around so long
knew he was up there but wow 13 years. Very understandable for them to get a new DT then.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
mcclain and cody
i totally agree, i think we need to go this way, we truly need to be able to stup the run..
Both????
Dude…you are hired if I’m the owner..we need a GM that has a brain and balls to stand up to the old bastard.
ha ha! I said this almost verbatim to him before! Actually proposed it to the site for us to hit Al up!
Even the old bastard part! Too funny!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Bruce Cambell seems like a nice pick
he’s a 6’7" OL(tackle I think).
Mount Cody
Cody weighed in at 370 pounds at the Senior Bowl today. That means he’s put on around 15 pounds since the National Championship game.
Just what JaMarcus needs. A teammate that can’t control his eating habits.
Maybe Cody will do well for somebody else, but the Raiders’ inability to hold players accountable for lack of conditioning makes me think we’d be better of passing on him if he’s there when we pick in the 2nd round.
The Sumo Idea sounds great, but does have one big negative - these big guys get tired
faster than the lean ones. I prefer getting a Lean 315 lb DT who isn’t carrying fatigue-causing blubber and slowing down in the 2nd Half.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
These posts will make this:
so much better to watch! Appreciate the quality work on these, K and BA!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I suck at these tools. As Mike pointed out, it's becoming my trademark!
I was trying to use the link tool. I know how to cut and paste a link, it doesn’t come out when I use the tool. I feel like a tool…
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Senior-Bowl-Week-Underway/b7cf9beb-182b-485a-b847-016d0ece7639
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I'll be recording it! Hoping to watch it live, if possible.
BA and Ka1z have piqued my interests on some guys, lot’s of whom I’ve noticed have invites. It will definitely be good; much more meaningful at this point.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
If there is any chance we can get both these guys
It has to be persued and if Al could pull it off it would be a work of genius however I don’t think Cody will fall far enough for us to have an opportunity to trade up.
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by Ozraider on Jan 26, 2010 1:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If I had to ACTUALLY choose between just those two, McClain would definitely be my choice.
Cody is huge, but that also can be his disadvantage. He’s not that well in pass rush, will have difficulty getting through the line due to how big he is. Perfect for stuffing the run, but he will not help in pass rushing.
McClain is a leader, has great vision, can help in both pass and run coverage, is fast for a guy his size, reminds me of a ray lewis mixed with jerod mayo(which is an awesome combination), and he makes nice quick decisions. Cody seems like he’s more of a risk being a bust than McClain.
Plus there’s more depth a DT, and McClain seems like the only GREAT MLB that can definitely help us out.
Any OL or DTs in free agency?
besides Wilfork of course.
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