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My First Oakland Raiders Complete Mock Draft

 <Editor'sNote: I promoted this to the front page because it is the most thought out Oakland Raider Mock Draft that I've seen. Good Job!!!>

Okay, Raiders fans, let’s step away from the coaching drama where absolutely nothing is happening and get into a little bit of premature draft talk while our media comrades discuss how much they want the current staff, including Al Davis to be out of Oakland as soon as possible.  

Just one question folks…Are you ready to talk some football?

In here, there are a few All-Americans covering some much needed positions for the Oakland Raiders.

It is s a list of very talented athletes that it took a lot of research and effort to come up with so please try to be kind with your criticisms. ;-)

While we all will be on the lookout for the most recent Oakland coaching news this afternoon, I hope we can all take some time to enjoy this article and let it give us some hope for the future.

In beginning my research on the topic, I was surprised to learn that Oakland had such a good number of draft choices. It includes a 3rd and a 5th round draft choice that was received from the Patriots in the trade for Derrick Burgess. That turned out to be a really good deal, because very few of us missed Burgess.

Fortunately for Raiders fans, the Patriots didn’t do as well as some people expected and the picks are going to give us good balance in positioning to make some nice moves in the 2010 draft.

They could also give us some trade bait if, I don’t know, we really wanted to move up and get a guy like…say…Ndamukong Suh…or somebody like that.

Obviously I know the draft will not go this way. It will likely not go anywhere near this prediction. Perhaps I can get one pick right?

However, many things stand in my way. The basis of my article, however, is to give some insight into the direction that I think the team should go when they do start selecting in late April. Keeping in mind that I believe in the idea of drafting an OT with our first pick is admitting that Mario Henderson is not the answer at Left Tackle. I do not agree that Mario is not left tackle material, he was much better with Gallery to the right of him.

The positions are the ones I think the team needs to draft. The players I selected are players who I believe are some of the best talent available for the draft positions.

So without further lecture, let’s get started!

P.S. if you wish to look up some college players for your own mock draft, I would highly recommend this site: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/

Round One Pick 8


Rolando McClain, MLB Alabama 6’4” 258 lbs.

• Midseason Sporting News All-American
• Buktus Award winner
• Lombardi Award winner
• Bednarik Award winner
• SEC Defensive Player of the Week (UK)
• Lead team with over 100 tackles                                                                                                                                                    -Five straight games with at least seven tackles

I’m a firm believer that if McClain is still on the board when Oakland picks, it would be a very stupid move not to grab him. Middle linebackers like this guy do not grow on trees, and I’m not sure anyone like him has ever laced up a set of shoes at the position in the NFL. He is the Ray Lewis that the Oakland Raiders need.

Rolando McClain anchors and deep and talented linebacker corps that has helped the Crimson Tide rank fourth nationally in total defense (242.22 ypg) and second in rush defense (68.22). Alabama held their opponents to under one hundred yards rushing eight times in 2009 with McClain in the middle of the defense.

McClain was responsible for all on-field audibles and defensive calls. He was proclaimed a midseason All-American by Sporting News. With 32 starts over his three seasons at the Capstone, McClain has a team-best 66 tackles in his nine starts in 2009.

Third on the team with seven tackles for loss and had two sacks with two interceptions. He was named the defensive player of the week by the UA coaching staff six times in the first nine games last season. McClain was named the Bronko Nagurski Award National Defensive Player of the Week following the Kentucky game.

 

Round Two Pick No. 39

Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois 6’5” 315 lbs.

Asamoah was named second-team All-Big Ten by both coaches and media. The Illinois' rushing offense ranked 18th in the NCAA and second in the Big Ten this season. Jon was named to the National Football Foundation's 16-man Scholar-Athlete team. He earned CoSIDA first-team Academic All-District honors. Asamoah was named first-team All-Big Ten by Phil Steele Magazine and Academic All-Big Ten.

He started 37 consecutive games at guard on an offense that rushed for 300 or more yards on three occasions this year. Jon helped the Illini to 331 rushing yards and 548 total yards in the season finale against Fresno State. Aided the Illini offense in racking up 476 yards of total offense and Juice Williams' 282-yard passing performance at No. 5 Cincinnati. He was part of an offense that lead a 250-yard passing and four offensive touchdown performance in win over Minnesota.

In addition, he is rumored to have the fastest 40- yard dash time among all the offensive lineman and with a name like Asamoah, he’s got to have some game. That name is too close to Asomugha to not come with some game.

Round Three Pick No. 69

Kyle Wilson, CB, 5’10” 186 lbs. Boise State

Kyle was named first-team All-WAC cornerback and second-team all-conference punt returner. He was named Boise State’s co-Special Teams Player of the Year by vote of teammates. He was named to Phil Steele Publications’ All-WAC first team on defense and was a second-team selection as punt returner.

Kyle led Boise State with five interceptions, 10 pass breakups and 15 passes defended which tied for 18th best in nation. The five picks also tied for second in WAC and tied for 28th in nation. Wilson had two key interceptions in win at Oregon.

He recorded 35 tackles, 26 of which were unassisted, while returning 33 punts for 470 yards and three touchdowns. His 14.2 average yards per return was second in WAC and 12th in nation. He had a ninety-yard return against Fresno State was fourth-longest in Boise State history and a 79-yard return against Idaho that was fifth-longest. The other TD return was for 71 yards against New Mexico State. All three TD returns were in November. That means he gets better as the season goes on.

Wilson finished the season with the most punt returns for touchdowns in the nation and was named WAC Special Teams Player of Week in final week of season after piling up 136 yards on three punt returns against Fresno State. His current streak of 31 consecutive starts is longest active streak on team. He was named to the Bronko Nagurski Trophy Watch List.

Round Three Pick No. 85 (From New England)

Vladimir Ducasse UMASS OT 6’5” 330 lbs.

• Senior captain left tackle
• 2009 Consensus Preseason First-Team All-American.
• 2009 Preseason All-CAA pick by Coaches and Phil Steele.
• In his 35 career starts, UMass has had a 100-yard rusher in 23 of those games. In his 35 games, UMass has allowed just 39 sacks.
• UMass allowed 17 sacks (1.4 per game), 38th in the NCAA, and third in CAA.
• UMass had a 100-yard rusher in seven games this season

A native of Haiti, Vladimir is an incredibly hard-working player who comes to work every day with a purpose to get better individually to make the overall team better according to Coach Morris. He has improved to become an offensive leader and a high-level player with a big upside.

Ducasse is a true senior who was a starter as a freshman. He is diverse and can also play guard, where he played early in his career. He was the team's top offensive line recruit in 2006. Vladimir is a large offensive lineman and great athlete who has done extensive work with Offensive Coordinator Brian Picucci to improve his game and has reportedly reached that next level.

Round Four Pick No. 103

Torrell Troup, DT, Central Florida, 6’3” 314 lbs.

Troup was voted onto the All-Conference USA 2nd team in 2009. “Coaches look at stats instead of looking at everything else on tape, and I think Torrell got caught up in that,” UCF head coach George O'Leary said. "I think he's the reason those other guys that made first team made it. There were two guys on him all the time.”

He had 12.5 tackles for loss, totaling 52 tackles with 30 of them coming solo. Troup started his college career at 345 lbs., but slimmed down to his current playing weight of 314 lbs. over his four seasons. Troup is considered to be the heart of the UCF football team and could be their hardest player to replace in the off-season.

“I think he is a very unselfish player that works at the game and has a great sense of responsibility and accountability to do what needs to be done to win,” said coach O’Leary.

He is a strong student, football player, and leader with a bright NFL future. 

Round 5 pick No. 134

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana University of Pennsylvania (DII), 6’1” 205 lbs.

Born in Ghana, Africa, Akwasi suffered a torn labrum in his right shoulder in the final game of the season. In spite of the injury, however, Owusu-Ansah has a four year body of work that has garnered him some national attention.
Various websites rank him as a 2nd to 4th round draft choice this year, but I’m reaching out and saying that teams will pass on him, as he is unlikely to be able to lace up his cleats at the NFL combine in February.

But that hasn’t stopped Al Davis from knowing a steal when he sees one before. Take the ’07 4th round pick Michael Bush for an example. If Akwasi is here early in the fifth round Al Davis may trade up to get him.

He is one of those underrated players from a small school who could do big things as a pro. Davis could see him as a potential shut-down cornerback to play opposite of Nnmadi Asomugha in his man-to-man defense.

In addition to his coverage skills, he has scored nine return touchdowns in his college career, including three kickoffs and four punts. “Nobody can argue about his height, nobody can argue about his weight, and nobody can argue about his speed,” said IUP head coach Lou Tepper.

Round 5 pick No. 156 (From New England)

Chris Hall, Center, Texas, 6’4” 298 lbs.

Hall was named a 2009 third-team All-American by the associated Press. He is a 2009 AFCA coaches All-American as well. Chris is a four-time Academic All-Big 12. He is a four-time member of the Texas Athletic Director’s honor roll and an active member in the school’s community service program.

The fifth year senior started 35 games for the Longhorns in his college career. He was a finalist for the Remington Award (NCAA’s Best Center) for the second straight season. Hall is the offensive line’s signal caller in the nation’s third ranked scoring offense.

Hall started at all five positions on the O-Line for Texas during his sophomore year at Texas until finding a home at center late in that same year.

Hall has issues in one-on-one situations, like when he faced Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy and even against other defensive tackles. Quicker tackles are said to be able to shed him quickly and get to the next level. But in Oakland, there are a lot of 3-4 defenses in the division, so he could be a value pick for the Raiders late in the fifth round.

Round Seven Pick No. 200

QB Rusty Smith, Florida Atlantic, 6’5” 230 Lbs.

• 2008 Sun Belt Preseason Player of the Year
• Two time SBC Player of the Week.
• Palm Beach County Amateur Athlete of the Year                                                                                                                        • 2007 Sun Belt Player of the Year
• Mid-Season Phil Steele's Second-Team All-Sun Belt Conference Selection
• Four-Time SBC Offensive Player of the Week
• New Orleans Bowl MVP (2008) 
• 21st nationally in passing efficiency (141.63, 2007)
• 29th nationally in total offense (274.77, 2007)  • Team was No. 16 in passing offense

Rusty Smith is three year starter and, in my opinion, a highly underrated quarterback who could become the next guy talked about as that guy who was drafted late and showed up big time for his NFL team.

He suffered a sprained AC joint in his non-throwing shoulder in November, but his coach, Howard Schellenberger intends on bringing the big quarterback with him when he coaches in the Texas versus the Nation game in February so that attending NFL scouts can get a look at the quarterback.

Smith is the most decorated player in the history of the FAU program. It is the same program that produced fan-favorite MLB Frantz Joseph. Smith started 36 consecutive games for FAU and is the Sun Belt conferences all-time leader in career and single season passing yardage as well as touchdown passes, throwing for over 10,000 yards and 76 touchdowns in his career.

Al Davis should draft Smith to be his quarterback of the future and give him a chance to work with the great offensive coaches Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett.

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Here is the Mocking The Draft Picks Made By Raybin:

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/1/25/1269517/7-round-live-mock-draft-thread

It is O-Line Heavy at the tops with a DT and CB thrown in for good measure.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 25, 2010 5:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

a common pick of Akwasi

but in very different rounds. Perhaps intuition here?

I’d love him in the fifth, but believe other positions and the talent available dictates he’s a reach in the third.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McClain Too

I like that this mock has McClain falling to the Raiders @ 8!

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah! I'm chugging that Kool-Aid!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good job

I’m not so sure about the DB’s though. I would go heavier at OL, or possible sleeper LB’s. We do have two LB’s from the last draft, don’t know if they have the stuff or not but do have one year of experience in the NFL, at least they know how to find the locker room. What about a 5th round pick at running back? Fargas is long of tooth and injury prone. McFadden is not an every down runner. In my mind we have to upgrade at OL and LB. I am pleased enough with the secondary, Mitchell should be ready to go next year, expect big things from him. Huff came of age this year, pretty deep there.

by Laoren on Jan 25, 2010 5:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind

I wouldn’t maind drafting a HB, but I felt like we gave up a very good HB in Louis Rankin, so that sucks!!!
The problem I have with the secondary is that those guys are all safety’s. Routt sucks, he needs to go. Chris Johnson is a nickel CB. We need two guys, whether through the draft or through FA.

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why didn't we keep Frantz Joseph, should've been an upgrade over Sam Williams on special teams.

The guy had heart, unfortunately he didn’t make it… :(

The RaiderLaker

by Raider9 on Jan 25, 2010 5:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

didn't he get hurt in camp?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I read somewhere

that he just wasn’t “fast enough” like morrison and howard

but i personally thought the guy could have been a great mlb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFzk2vucbQ8

by scar05 on Jan 25, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow. he looks plenty fast to me!

but it is a college highlight film. I still hate that Al’s tendency to love track speed remains a thorn in our side. I love when guys take risks on folks, based on their instinct of their football skill. The Sam Millses and Steve Smiths and pocket Hercs of the league…lot’s of guys said they were either too slow or too small or too something, that had nothing to do with their football instincts.

Another guy about whom we’ll never know…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He should’ve at the very least been signed to the practice squad!

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

could've been that guy to supplement Ricky Brown when he went down

hard to quantify what kind of lifts these kinda guys bring. Probably what we need to fill the bldg with.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can I just say

Ricky Brown is awesome. If he can manage to somehow stay healthy, he is a pro bowl caliber talent

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no arguments here!

Kinda reminds me of Biekert, with greater big play ability.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love these guys. Very nice breakdown, too.

I believe you might be right on at least one or two guys, but somehow I get delusional before draft time every year and forget that somebody’s gonna jump really high and run really fast, and…

Not gonna get into that! This will give us some great food for thought with the upcoming senior bowl, and up to the combine. Appreciate your hard work, BA.

I don’t see us actually packaging or trading picks; not usually something we see Al do, but I’d be all for it!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think

That that guy who is the height weight speed pf this class is McClain, and that could work out very well for the Raiders this year

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that's the scary part! all things point to everything working in our favor for a change!

I’m freaking praying dude!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't like the G idea in the second round. Better an OT and then a DT

Plus, named second-team Big 10 for a Pro 2nd Round pick is slightly ridiculous. Are you related to Jon Asamoah or something?

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 5:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

guard in the 2nd

bit early need to go DT or OT in the second

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Jan 25, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Nnamdi?

That’s a better question

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And why this midget CB in the 3rd round

Kyle Wilson, CB, 5’10" 186 lbs. Boise State?
I notice you’re impressed with athletes with academic achievements; does this factor strongly into some of your choices? It must because they don’t belong on our prospect sheet otherwise.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Tebow

I would love to take a shot at Tebow if he is left in the fourth or even with our second pick in the 3rd. I have heard all the skeptics but I think he is worth a shot and is a good student of football. He may just turn into something.
I think he may be available even after the 4th if we can pick him up even later. I guess it depends on the combines. I remember Major Harris going in the 9th way back when and he didnt do much but not every draft pick pans out (remember our last couple of 1st round picks)
Ok and now I sit and wait to get a whole bunch of shit sandwiches fed to me by most or all of you guys when you read I said Tebow.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 25, 2010 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna pounce! But he's not NFL ready. He does have God power on his side!

i hope I’m not blaspheming here, but I think he’s got that Kurt Warner thing going for him. I.E., whether you’re atheist or not, character issues are usually not at all a concern!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's got the work ethic

that we all wish a certain someone had. He is athletic and everyone knows he has a good head on his shoulders I.E. no entitilement attitude.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 25, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He might

be a good tight end, but we are set at that position (one of few).

Tebow might surprise a lot of people, heart and effort can count for a lot (listen up Jamumbles)

"We can't stop here... This is bat country."

by Kwester421 on Jan 25, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I Hate Tim Tebow!

:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 26, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The kid's a leader and a winner

hell, I wouldn’t mind taking a shot at Colt McCoy in the 2nd or 3rd rounds either. Tebow may not have JaMarcus’s alienware arm, but he makes plays, and puts the work in. Remember, Drew Brees supposedly didn’t have an NFL arm.

If the Raiders took a flyer on Tebow in any round other than the first two, I would be cool with it.

by transparent58 on Jan 29, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NIce job

That is some serious research!

I think we can skip that guard for one more year and address the OT or DT spots, but I’m not sure Al is ready to give up on T Kelly yet, so I might be shooting blanks here.

All spots are of need and interest!!!! Trade Routt for one football and can of pabst blue ribbon!

NO one will try harder than Tebow. Can we say the “anti Russel”.

"We can't stop here... This is bat country."

by Kwester421 on Jan 25, 2010 6:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not givin' up a pigskin and and PBR

that’s worth far more to me! ha ha!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of names

Doug Flutie wasnt earth shattering in the NFL but he had a few good years adn anyone recall a guy named Steve Young who when drafted they wanted to make into a TE or DB of some sort. Tebow may not be Steve Young but he can scramble and throw and run.
He is worth a shot I think in the later rounds if available. Look at who we have drafted at QB in our history. Name one that has ProBowl all world status in the last 30 years. Remember one that we drafted not picked up from someone else.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 25, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

For Sure

If Tebow is there in the fourth round you have to take him. I doubt he drops that low though, I can see Arizona taking him in the first or second round to sit and learn behind Warner, and occasionally run their new “Wild Bird” formation

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 25, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

tebow to Arizona ?

na . mark my words . he’s going to the Jags. think about it . he’s a local guy with a huge fan base already right there in FL. and will help with their ticket sales . and word outa that part of the country is they want to keep him there and will do pretty much anything to keep him in FL.

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 27, 2010 2:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what do you think that super bowl ad will do for his popularity?

No doubt it’ll resonate throughout the bible belt, but overall? He’s doing an anti-abortion statement, for those who don’t know to what I’m referring.

I completely disagree with using your media status to posit your feelings on such a polarizing subject; it remains to be seen what comes of it.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed !

id hate to see him come here . keep him in the bible belt
but this is the statement a was refering to .
“Welcome to the Cult of Tebow, which in some ways is wonderful as young boys beam with admiration and young girls talk about wanting to marry him. But while the public consistently gushes, many NFL coaches and executives are uneasy about his ability to make it in the next level.

More specifically, there are those concerned that Tebow could get drafted too high by a team hoping to cash in on his popularity as much as his talent. Jacksonville Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver has suggested the team would consider drafting Tebow and Florida governor Charlie Crist has publicly campaigned for it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=AhHK1XdzHcqP_yjv.18sztDubYF?slug=jc-tebowpopularity012610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

im thing Jacksonville would use it just to sell tickets, it sounds like they are already worried someone will use a high draft pick on him . [ meaning , they will need to counter]
idk .. just imo

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 27, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just hear Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller discussing Tebow, and how the smart GM of today avoids him and the entourage at all costs

It becomes a distraction. He said what happens when you’re 2-2 and fans are screaming Tebow and you know he’s not ready. Jamarcus has proved that guy for us; Tebow is a similar guy, in that the question remains: can he do it from the pocket? We all know what kind of an athlete he is.

I’d hate it if we used any of our top 5 picks on a qb. Hate it!

Here comes SI, and all the other hoopla. I want a guy who has the Marvin Harrisonesque qualities of keeping your mouth shut, producing, and somehow flying under the media radar. You have to give Cable his props on that one.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just heard, that is, on NFL radio

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the end

I dont care if he has 1000 people in his entourage and what his politics are. I care if he can play ball to win and I know that is debatable. If we can sign (for reasonable$$$) some FA to CORRECTLY fill in the holes and draft in a smart way to make up the difference or vice-versa. We cant draft every position to start. The draft is a bigger crap shoot than FAs……………. usually. But not always.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 27, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, but I'll still be pissed if we take Tebow

Just my personal opinion. I’d prefer McCoy, but I know many are in disagreement with me. I stand by not wanting to use any of our 4th round or better picks on a qb! We have Losman, Frye, Grad, and the other pieza de mierda that never deserved to wear a Raider jersey!

Draft the holes on the line, then get your qb. We take a prima donna qb and media darling like him again and we find ourselves trying to build a team around a guy unproven (Mike Vick rewind, and epic fail, Arthur Blank).

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I would not draft him above the 4th round. As I said a later pick in later rounds. It is a complete toss up where he is going to get drafted. I have heard anywhere from late 1st!!!!!!! to an out right FA invite to camp.
Who knows. Any team that drafts him to only sell tickets is fooling themselves. A side show will only do so much to sell tickets for a very small period of time. WINNING sells tickets.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 27, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We should be picking Guards and OT's

who are most experienced on the right side.

Anchor players with experience on both sides are ideal.

by xville on Jan 25, 2010 6:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

and nothing else in the first three round, unless it’s Suh, or Cody, or McCoy.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And this 7th round pick, Rusty Smith from a no-name college threw 8 completions out of 34 attempts

against Michigan State. Here’s the link:
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091308aaa.html
Seriously, dude are you trying undermine the Raiders or what?!
McClain may be your only dead-nuts hit in this otherwise abysmal offering.
No offense intended but when you fuck with the Raiders you, etc.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 25, 2010 8:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So wait...

He has 1 bad game against MSU in 2008, you know, 2 years ago, so that means he’s a bad pick? This mock isn’t perfect but it isn’t bad. Plus, the Smith pick specifically is a 7th rounder so if he doesn’t work out it’s not really a big deal.

by HawksFTW on Jan 26, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Smith's a good idea, but not this scrap on the table left after the feast, but Troy Smith

the good news is, I expect him to arrive from Baltimore soon after Hue Jackson!

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Troy Smith

I thought Oakland Should’ve drafted Smith the year they picked Russell. He won the Hiesman and fell to the fourth round…WTF. I would love it for Smith to come to town.

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 26, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fell to the 4th

Because had a horrible bowl game

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 26, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2 picks I do llike are

Troup and “Born on Sunday” (yes his name means that)

However I still heavily favor going OL #1

1. Bruce Campbell – OT
2. Brandon Spikes – MLB
3. D’Anthony Smith – DT (Although run D is a big concern and Troup may be the better run defender, so NOT opposed to grabbing him here)
3. Selvish Capers – OT
4. S’yd Quan Thompson – DB (Do like size and speed of Akwasi Owusu-Ansah so no issues swapping him, although think that Thompson is better fit immediately, with born on Sunday longer term upside)
5. Jeff Byers – OG

by Bud Light on Jan 25, 2010 9:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hate the eye-gouger and consider him a Cretan - hope he never plays for us

I very much want McClain. If we get him we won’t get Campbell but can get USC’s OT Charles Brown in the 2nd.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eye-gouger!!

Sounds just like what we need! A player from the old mould that isnt afraid to get a real penalty not a candy ass off side or false start. The odd personal foul is A ok with me depending on the timing that is.
In memory of the great Lyle Alzado that use to tape pennies to his finger tips so when he slapped the O-Linemen the got a goot ringing in their ears!
PS Steve Wienewski didnt mind the odd PF too when it was required.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 26, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even with your questionable criteria Spikes fails - he got caught in plain view and it wasn't

necessary but gratuitous – made Vick look like a virginal Carmelite nun – this wanna be Cornwall “Out, vile jelly!” dripping with gore and cowardliness.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I see how he fails at accomplishing the necessary dirty deeds and simply enjoys the sadistic nature of the foul. Rather to use your powers to teach a lesson to gain leverage down the road you must refrain from the bully mentality.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 26, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please don't take this personally, I am amused by the reparte'

physical violence, apparently, has less effect on your senses than words. I appreciate that. I’m also somewhat hypocritical (no, please yes, it’s true) and delighted in watching George Atkinson knocking the snot out of Lynn Swan on a regular basis.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

I still think we need to dig up Lyla Alzado and get his DNA to make more of him and get Wienewski to make a few kids down the road to play for us.
PS Lester Hayes could be of use with his DNA too, nothing like a good mugging to put a smile on one’s face.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 26, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

We all know its LYLE not LYLA should line up for a running over by the entire front 7 of the D for that mistake!

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 26, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, he might dig himself out of the grave for that one!

Temper, temper, Lyle!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it

i can’t imagine Spikes will fall all the way into the second round this year. He is a mid-first round talent

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 26, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My pick

Andrew Iupati!!!…:D

by spawn-taneous on Jan 25, 2010 10:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was surprised to not see his name there, but I think it's because guys picked a different position

or another guy with that level pick. Isn’t it Mike Iupati?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 25, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes his first name is mike

if he falls to the second and is there when al picks, he would be a good thing can play guard or tackle, what thier plans with barnes are should play a big role, is he willing to role to the right side? lapati has been getting talked about alot most mocks have him going to indy at 32 pick he or lamar houston would be huge in the second
    mclain has to be the guy in the first, he has all the goods, and even al has got to want something nearly guarenteed, although a lineman on either side of the ball would be acceptable.
i am siding with popular opinion here and saying passing on mcclian would be a mistake
     colin black from lsu was said to have handled “mount cody” rather well at the senior bowl practice and could he be around in the third possibly??
 this is the first mock i’ve seen including a center which i think is a glaring need also

by idahoaklandraider on Jan 28, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that about center before, but believe Satele gets better with guys like Iupati

I’m loving what Im’ seeing from him in the senior bowl. Very few downsides. The long arms are one of the most coveted things in the big guard, and I think he can transition to another side no problem, but we might have multiple guys who can play both sides if this draft goes anywhere close to how I hope it does. I don’t see iupati falling to the second round, either, but this guy’s seriously intriguing. He’s showing he knows how to use those long arms too, and has good footwork and maintains leverage in his shuffle. Zero sacks given up. Tough and quick for his size.

McClain 1st, and Iupati, second then the best DT there, which is really up in the air now. I believe they’re battling for position at the senior bowl, and some haven’t been invited, and always, for some reason inexplicable, some don’t participate (rarely good for them, unless a legit injury is known).

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 28, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting Offensive Linemen

I feel as if Langston Walker should get a crack at the right guard spot, so I think we need an offensive tackle before an offensive guard. Still, yes, we need to draft both especially with our surplus of picks.

Tip: I’d move everything before the eighth overall pick before the jump and then post everything else after the jump. That would make things easier, I think I hope I made sense there.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 25, 2010 11:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

for the most part

i agree w/ a lot of your picks. the guard in the second is a lil sketchy, much prefer an OT but kyle wilson is someone we agree on. the kid is a stud and gets kind of a bad rap just because he comes from boise st. hes a real strong player and could be a nickel corner right out of the gates in my opinion. as much as i want him, vladimir ducasse i believe wont be there at the pick u suggest, especially after the senior bowl. he’s been gettin a lot of hype lately because of his athleticism. this guy maybe in round two if he shows fluid enough hips in the senior bowl/ combine or switch him to the first pick in the third. hes a maller so im only worried about his pass pro. as far as a QB in the 7th, eh doesnt really matter, id personally go for an al davis special (size/speed/height) for the special teams because early in the year our coverage teams were a lil sketchy.

by frank7da2tank on Jan 26, 2010 12:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good foresight

*"Post Sr. Bowl Scouting Assessment: Michigan DE Brandon Graham embarrassed UMass lineman Vlad Ducasse several plays in a row. Ducasse is another guy that everyone seemingly wants to embrace and overlook his faults, but there is absolutely NO WAY he can play left tackle in the NFL. He couldn’t even handle Graham with false starts on two of the playsr."

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I used draftscout as well, but came up with a different strategy:

The 1st should get that DT from UCLA Brian Price at our present pick, or trade down to the middle of the 1st for the guard Iupati, or the MLB Spikes.

The 2nd could quite possibly yield Spikes or Iupati, but we could lock up OT Kyle Calloway or OT Ciron Black if they are not already taken.

The two 3rds: OT Sam Young, DT D’Anthony Smith, LB Pat Angerer, CB Jerome Murphy; and some Mocks have Calloway or Black falling into the 3rd.

The 4th: G John Jerry.

The two 5ths: C Eric Olsen, OT Chris Scott, OT Adam Ulatoski, QB John Skelton

The 7th: WR Trindon Holliday

by xville on Jan 26, 2010 12:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It looks like the OT's

I had in the 2nd and 3rd have dropped because of new OT’s declaring.

These guys are incredible value players if they retain their projected drops.

by xville on Jan 26, 2010 1:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

The Raiders should draft Taylor Mays hes a powerhouse a heavy hitter something The Raiders dont have at safety and Taylor Mays would be a up grade from Mitchell ( WHO IS A WASTE OF A DRAFT PICK ) move Tyvon Branch to corner … The Raiders still can draft a O-Linemen , D-Linemen and a Linebacker !!! Have Taylor Mays and Huff in the backfield and Branch to corner will be a good move besides I rather have Taylor Mays then Mike Mitchell

by Josey37 on Jan 26, 2010 9:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

that would cost us too much (1st Round) when our SS & FS are not a problem

But, interesting idea about Branch moving to CB. On the hand, I feel more secure with TB protecting the final passage to our jade gate.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SS & FS are a problem bro big time Huff is all right Mike Mitchell is just a waste of a pick like I have said ! Eugene is not good at all plus hes a free agent along with Branch , Routt , Morrison and Howard ! IF The Raiders resign Branch put him at corner let Eugene walk Taylor Mays is way better player then Mitchell it would be a good up grade too . The Raiders need a powerhouse of a safety and Mike Mitchell is not it at all draft Taylor Mays is a good pick

by Josey37 on Jan 26, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CBs, C.Johnson and Stanford Routt, are an issue while Safeties (by comparsion with

other position deficiencies) are not. When we’re in better shape next year (and if Mitchell doesn’t keep improving (he does hit hard)) then we can address that. But for this year we must stay focused on getting both lines in nick.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on the lines O & D ! I didnt see anything too great about Mitchell and dont think hes that good at all Branch is ok but move him to corner Mays is better then Mitchell but I will say this if Mays and Mitchell and to compete for the job by far Mays would win …I dont think Mitchell is that good and is a waste of a draft pick …

by Josey37 on Jan 26, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here here!

 I have to agree with the fact that the trenches are in most need of upgrading and solidifying. The secondary is pretty good for the most part. We cant sit and tweak the hell out of a couple of positions in the defensive back field when we have no modern defensive scheme to speak of and holes that a Mack Truck could drive through.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 26, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really

 Mitchell is a special teams player at best over rated and nobody ever even heard of this guy when he got drafted and he is no diamond in the ruff waste of a draft pick and he is no impacked player so The Raiders can cut him or keep him on special teams i dont care that clown aint it …. If The Raiders draft Taylor Mays he is everything that The Raiders need at safety and I know that Mays is better and will be a up grade then Mitchell or Eugene as for Branch move him to corner he played corner I think with Huff and Mays that would be a very good hard hittin ball hoging team

by Josey37 on Jan 27, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cable says

Tom Cable said this whole year how impressed he was with the safety play this year. not only that, But Mays will get tagged with several penalties per season and hefty fines for all that helmet leading tackling he does. If we want a hard hitting safety, we need to go with Major Wright in the second or third round

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 26, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I say corner, not safety, if we take a DB at all in the draft

that’s my problem. I love the safeties we have now. Including Mitchell, although I question us taking him where we did too, but almost believe speculation Philly and Pitts had their eyes on him, so, as all things draft go, one school of thought says, if you want a guy, you go after him.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we have got

some great young talent at safety . Micheal huff is understanding the pro game and his imporvement showed , dont forget we all thought Ausoumu { sp } didnt live up to the hype of a number one pick also for the first few years . Tyvon Branch ? are you kiddding me ? he does nothing but make plays , consider that last year was only his second year . And .. OMG ! are you realy going to sh!t can a rookie ? lmao . it was his first year and we knew when we drafted him he was going to take alota work .

hello …
the why we got blasted for taking him , jeez , give the guy a few years . hahahha. other wise we would cut the entire rookie draft every other year

ahahaa

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 27, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

touche, miss Kayla, touche!

Tyvon holds a special place in the hearts of these Raider fans! Not a classier, more well rounded, and quality player in the league. I wouldn’t trade him for Dawkins, Sharper, Polamalu… I’m dead serious.

I’ll be heated if we take a safety with any of our picks! Heated!

this is taking on a theme here…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would

I would take Polamalu , Reed , sharper over Branch any day of the week hes all right just like Mitchell i think hes a waste of a draft pick if The Raiders draft Taylor Mays its a up grade that The Raiders need at safety

by Josey37 on Jan 27, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

everyone's entitled to their own opinions

even horrible, uneducated ones.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Horrible and uneducated is when The Raiders took Phillip Buchanon over Ed Reed but thats anothor topic ! ! ! No way that Tyvon Branch is better or take over Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed both playmakers and even when they are hurt they are still better then Tyvon Branch . Now Branch is ok i dont think hes great but hes ok . Now in my opinion or this could be a fact if Taylor Mays is there The Raiders will take him he is everything The Raiders need and dont have at safety !!!!

by Josey37 on Jan 28, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Horrible and uneducated is when The Raiders took Phillip Buchanon over Ed Reed but thats another topic ! No way that Tyvon Branch is or even take over Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu those guys are playmaker and pro bowlers Branch is ok he aint great but ok ! Now in my opinion and it could be a fact that if Taylor Mays is there The Raiders will take him he is everything The Raiders need and dont have at safety . Taylor Mays is far better then Mitchell even Branch Taylor Mays will make a far more impacked at safety then Branch or Mitchell …. very educated opinion

by Josey37 on Jan 28, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays may end up an OLB

Dude’s tipping the scales at 235+ these days…maybe he would be solid in the Bart Scott-type LB. A smaller LB that can fly sideline to sideline.

The more I see of Mitchell, the more I like. He seems to get that he’s not entitled to play in the NFL, and has to work to reach his potential. I really like how he blitzes…

The Raiders have wiffed on first round safeties in the last decade…Derrick Gibson and Mike Huff were supposed to be ballers, and I haven’t seen it. Huff was supposed to be the next Reed/Polamalu-type player, and I haven’t seen that yet.

by transparent58 on Jan 29, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huff

He’s shown crazy improvment

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 31, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Way

I dont know how you can put Tyvon Branch with Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu or even Darren Sharper maybe he may have hart like them but he aint up there with those guys ! So am having a hard time what you are trying to say but you cant put Tyvon Branch with Reed , Polamalu or sharpper you cant maybe some day he might be but i doubt it ..As a Raiders fan if i had to choose one of those guys or branch to be on my team it aint branch i will tell you that much

by DJ Romero77 on Jan 29, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's respectable company you're comparing our 2-year SS

I think they all are very good. But consider that Branch is developing and by his 5th or 6th year will be pro-bowl quality

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You.

These guys comparing him to guys who’ve played over five years, even Troy, who may not play another snap in the league.

You completely miss the point. And we shore up this front seven, and Branch eclipses any of these guys stats in their third years. Tackles, ints., forced fumbles, and sacks.

I didn’t say who was better or worse, either. I said, I, wouldn’t trade him for any of those guys, and I wouldn’t.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 28, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The you, sons, was for Josey

but I think you knew that! Nary a bad word will be spoken about Tyvon, on my watch!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 28, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to worry and mine was too

Branch is developing so well that he’s destined for greatness and we would be mad to choose another safety over him (in the long haul).

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no SH!T

what ever happend to …. it takes 4 yrs to know what a players realy about ? i mean come on ! tyvon was only in his second year . hahahah . but then maybe your Mays cousin or something

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 28, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me?

My comments have been nothing but a steady drum beat for Linemen on both sides and a MLB (McClain but not Spikes) and (later on) a CB.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that wasnt directed at you

S.O.B … i respect everything you post . it was at joesy

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 28, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i like

our young safeties . well except H.Eugene .

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 28, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hiram has not been spectacular, but possesses some qualities that many other starters in the league lack

Every one of our d backs is tremendously better with a DT that draws two blockers consistently, a true captain MLB like McClain, and a healthy Ricky Brown, and maybe another DE, but I believe the depth, Richardson, Scott, Seymour even, all improve with the right guy reading D’s, flying to the ball. Hiram has decent coverage skills. These safeties were often having to fulfill their own assignments, and those consistently blown buy the front seven; a challenge safeties on better teams didn’t consistently face, and then you factor in that the offense didn’t really show up ’til like week 9, so they were constantly on the field.

Eugene is probably the one guy you could upgrade with the draft, but our needs dictate the only guy you take should be corner, unless of course you can get Tyvon to make the conversion to corner, which is not at all out of the question. I like him where he is, and can’t wait to see how he can shine when all the weak spots on our team are strengths, or at least not the liabilities they were last year. (CJ, Routt, the whole D line at times, especially against the run, the whole lb corps at times, also especially against the run…

Mitchell will continue to draw the ire he gets from the reach pick. I love the story about how he keeps Kiper’s pic in his locker tho… I freaking love that shit. I would live to shut Mel Kiper’s mouth if I were Mike M.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 28, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Take a look a Tyvon closer

He is good at safety cuz he can hit like a truck like our once great SS Anderson from back in the day.
If you ask Tyvon to switch to corner it will be 1. A very painful growth period 2. He has to change his body type/dynamics. He is too large and not quick enough to be the speed at corner regarding covering a 1st or 2nd receiver on MOST teams. Most safeties cant make the transition because they are usually more assist cover guys or bring it up to help stuff the run or blitz.
I think he is too heavy to make it as a corner and it probably isnt worth the effort to make him give it a go.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed. but he plays with Nnamdi, who is a pretty big guy, who's learned to "play small"

It’s one of the reasons our D backs are so good in coverage; Nnamdi is such a cerebral study guy, you have to consider him a player/coach. I don’t want to see Tyvon playing corner, but he’s made a decent transition this year when we needed him to, and was less a liability by far the Chris Johnson or Stanford Routt.

I was just saying that was the one thing those guys were suggesting that was completely asinine! We’re good at safety, arguably great. We have needs on both lines, and at MLB and corner, that’s it. QB is even okay. I’d say it was good if Jamarcus wasn’t one of them!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the one thing those guys said that

wasn’t completely asinine, that is. But it’s still not a good idea by any measure.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not sure

I think if you look at the 2 (Nnamdi and Tyvon) you will see quite a difference in stature. Maybe the same height but weight wise no way.
I may be wrong but dont read what the number say on the team profiles its never the truth.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No. I'm agreeing with you about Tyvon's stature

He’s much thicker, but Nnamdi is big and rangy, but can still cover and blanket smaller, more naturally quicker guys, and he was able to teach Tyvon the technique, hence, his ability to play at the position when we need him to.

I totally love him as starting safety. We need to get another corner, and hopefully we do that in the draft, or FA, who change the fact that one side is a weakness and a target consistently jobbed for huge plays and tds.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

We can agree to disagree.
It my job to study human phsicality and stature but in the end what matters is if they can do the job.
My opinion is he is too compact and meant to be a heavier player (safety/LB) and to go throught the process to get lighter to play another position rather than develop at one U R already good at is a waste.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, sometimes I have a way of sounding like my agreements are arguing!

Not the finest quality in my skills of persuasion, and does nothing for my longwindedness! I love making up words too!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

F ACK

He’s right I read UR post wrong. He is good for the nickle coverage

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

There must be a secret tyvon branch club somewhere cause i know where i sit at raiders games nobody is joining that club … He aint all that great he will do but he aint all that … The Linebackers and safetys need to get fixed fast

by DJ Romero77 on Jan 29, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you watch, dude. Our front seven gets fixed like I think it does

He’s in the pro bowl, next year. You heard it here first! LOL!

I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong, if I am!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Get Ready

If Al Davis wants him and he did want him in last years draft but mays returned to usc now the 2010 draft is here if Davis still wants him and i think he still does Davis will draft him …It is a good pick i would want a player like that on The Raiders hes the better player

by DJ Romero77 on Jan 29, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so we took mitchell instead and meanwhile

Branch grew fast and Huff finally clicked. Bottom line, we move forward with more pressing needs.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 29, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

while I disagree completely about your opinion of Mays

I have no doubt he’s intrigued Al, and I’ll be pissed if you’re right, at both of you! lol! Mostly Al, but you for believing it, and ignoring the fact that our needs remain in the trenches. Pick a safety or corner who runs fast in the fifth or sixth; I could give a shit, then…

No skills guys, either. Please!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this from SI today

MOST DISAPPOINTING PLAYER IN MOBILE

Taylor Mays/S/USC: For Mays the week turned into a potpourri of skills he’s likely to struggle with in the NFL; he’ll struggle handling man-to-man coverage assignments and struggle making plays sideline-to-sideline as a true NFL centerfielder. Mays is still a legitimate prospect for the next level but the limitations he displayed this week will reduce the number of teams wanting to acquire him in April.

by Spirals galore on Jan 29, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and another

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/29/negatives-make-uscs-mays-a-risky-pick

FS Taylor Mays
USC senior
Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 236 | 40-time: 4.45 (estimated)

Upside: Looks every bit the part with a chiseled frame that could pass for Superman — has an imposing physical presence with rare size, outstanding musculature and very little body fat. Excellent timed speed and range. Very good leaping ability. Has the speed to carry tight ends down the field. Delivers some knockout shots when he has a clear lane. Rare measurables — freakish height-weight-speed ratio.

Downside: Takes too much time to read and process what he sees — average instincts and anticipation. Questionable downfield ball skills — too often is in position to make plays on the ball and plays the man instead. Takes poor angles. A bit leggy and straight-linish — loses some quickness in transition and rounds out of some breaks. Not a face-up tackler and struggles in space. Very marginal production on the ball for a four-year starter. Lacks the toughness desired to transition to linebacker.

The way we see it: A rare physical specimen with explosive striking ability, Mays is perhaps the most physically and athletically gifted safety to emerge from the college ranks, but he misses too many tackles, misplays too many balls and misdiagnoses too many plays for a team to feel comfortable selecting him in the top 15.

by Spirals galore on Jan 29, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that wonderlich thing you mentioned earlier, and that anecdote about that old man whooping my ass in racquetball

was my out and about way of trying to explain how cerebral certain NFL positions are. Safeties don’t take the Wonderlich, but I’d venture to say Taylor’s scores are sub 5….

This, above all, is why I say he’s not a shoo-in in this league. Not by any measure, but we do know that certain owners are enamored by physical specimens.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Spirals. this is where these fools can't see how valuable what Hiram has is to this team

and no one else’s. The Raiders man their D backs up almost 90% of the time, and this requires mad coverage skills, and these guys are enamored by the play of this kid, surrounded by the unfairly stacked in their favor recruits at USC at every other position, when other schools have to take the leftovers, and do it srupulously? (is that a word?)

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let some other team take this

lure, this poisoned pill, I’ve seen enough “physical specimens” who lack football instincts, can’t compute pursuit angles, get duped by play-action, blow assignments leaving WRs & TE wide open. Enough! The combines and colorful sport rags are filled with empty promises but the proof is in the pudding.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 29, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Right on phsical capabilities dont translate to on field ability.
There are tonnes of example to prove that point.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and far too slow to be able to cover the fleet footed slots and #3 receivers our guys have to man up with

We’d have to change how we played, which ain’t gonna happen.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 5, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait Wait

I think josey is on to something i like the Taylor Mays pick i do feel he is a upgrade from branch or mitchell i think we need linebackers but i will roll with the Taylor Mays …. i think s.o.b and xoxoxkayla shoildnt hate so much unless branch is your cousin ! ha ha

by playmaker26 on Jan 29, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

playmaker26, do you follow news?

Or do you just post without doing further research?

by Spirals galore on Jan 29, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

Am going to agree with Josey ! Taylor Mays would be hugh for The Raiders I also can see it being a up grade too ! From what I read and seen if Taylor Mays came out in the 2009 draft Al was going to take him now the 2010 draft is here and if Mays is there at the 8th he will take him Branch is alright i dont think he great but hes all right in the nfl it to preform now not 2 years from now but now so move branch to corner and i have to check but branch was drafted as corner now Mitchell well what can i say about Mitchell if i had to choose between mitchell , branch or mays am going mays so i see where josey making his point .Taylor Mays would be a great fit for The Raiders and if Al Davis still wants him which i think he still does he will take Taylor Mays

by DJ Romero77 on Jan 29, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like brhynno said (did you bother to read it) the Safties have

been asked to do their job and cover the frequent lapses by DL and LBs with the run at the same time. Sure there are better SSs than Branch, but you miss the point by simply finding better players to randomly plug into positions. The approach needs to be more methodical; we must address the glaring deficiencies such as the OTs who can’t protect the QB and the DTs who get pushed back and can’t bring pressure, the MLB who lacks that positions instincts and requisite disposition and the LCB which has been a target of every OC we’ve come across. These are the positions that are consistently failing and being exploited. I have identified 8 positions that are very vulnerable and must be upgraded (8 into 24 positions (counting kickers) = 33%). NB. I certainly do not include T.Branch in that minority.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 29, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Were they watching the same team?

I will be sooooo pissed if we take a safety!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely.

Not sure how the rest of us could be so far off when it comes to the Safety position. These are the first two folks I’ve heard talking saftey for this draft. I actually think that we had decent safety play for the first time in years…not perfect but acceptable. They can only get better with more help from their D-line.

by Rusty23 on Jan 29, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like the idea

We need linebackers if anything Morrison is a free agent and so is Howard I would like to see better play at linebacker ! I wouldnt mind The Raiders picking up Taylor Mays that would be a huge move by The Raiders ! I like the idea of Branch moving to corner and have Mays play at safety …..

by playmaker26 on Jan 29, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just keep jocking the SC safeties. Do you remember Darnell Bing?

He was the talk of the draft, much like Taylor Mays is, and we took him 4th or 5th round, and he was big enough to maybe play some backer, and contribute on special teams, and guess what? he never made it in the NFL.

You guys keep jocking the SC guys though. It’s not often that Brian Cushings actually pan out. What about Maalugu (sp.) too? You have to realize that all SC guys are the most talented at their respective positions in comparison to most college teams, and every guy can make big plays. Doesn’t work that way in the NFL, when all the other ten guys at every position face guys better than every other ten guys on the respective college teams they played for.

but, I guess we’ll have to wait and see on your Taylor Mays pick.

I wonder if you guys that say we lacked at safety actually watched the games this year. It’s called the trenches, people, and ours are piecemeal and mediocre! If the become dominant, like the best safeties in the league all had amazing production from the front seven, against both the run and the pass. Ours were worst in most categories, and still Tyvon had 120 tackles. No way Taylor is better than Tyvon, I don’t even think he makes it in the NFL.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same Game

The Raiders safetys are not dominant if so they wouldnt be getting picked apart I think Branch is ok but thats it and if Taylor mays is there at the 8th pick and if Davis wants him he will get him and it doesnt matter what any of us say ! I see what you are saying its a good point but i think it was josey and he has a good point too Mitchell was not a good pick he is a special teams player at best Eugene needs to go ! If you guys are going to start doing tale of the tape between Branch and Mays and Branch has 2 years under his belt I would still go with Mays i feel hes going to be more dominant then Branch would ever be and i do see the same game as you guys do ! That little Darnell Bing say The Raiders should have kept him at safety and not put him at linebacker that alone ruined him and ruined a hell of a player !!!!!

by playmaker26 on Jan 29, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember

Oh yes i remember Darnell Bing he was a safety a good one too til the raiders had a great idea and made him play linebacker and ruined him . I do watch the same game i was asking myself the same question about you guys . But its cool if you guys Branch but not everybody does and some people feel that safety need some improvement . I hope the raiders draft Taylor Mays we need a player like on the team i feel hes going to be more dominant then Branch or Mitchell at safety

by DJ Romero77 on Jan 29, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to add to all this commotion that

Tyvon Branch when drafted actually played CB for UConn, and when our secondary got really thin last year, he did play some nickel CB while Mitchell and Huff covered the FS and SS spots.
I don’t think the conversion would be difficult for Branch, and I am not sold on him as a SS either, think he is better suited to be a FS and he is a hard enough worker to make the switch like Nnamdi did from S to CB, and be darn good at it.
However, I don’t like Mays, we get enough penalties already without him taking his vicious headshots at opposing wide receivers. If you guys are looking for a SS who is a big hitter and also good in coverage, look no futher than Major Wirhgt from Florida.
This guy is going to be really good, mark my words, and he comes at a much cheaper price, we’re talking second maybe third round.
Passing on McClain would be a Major mistake and taking Mays over Wright would be the same. but if it happens, i’ll not be surprised because that is the Al Davis way after all.

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 29, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Way better than Mays, especially because taking a safety with a first round pick will be another Al epic first round fail

The one thing I’ll give these guys swinging from Mays’ tip is that Tyvon absolutely can play CB; that doesn’t mean he should. He’s got mad man to man skills, and can cover both fleet footed wideouts and big, fast, strong TE’s like Gates and Gonzales and Finley and Witten. It’s all one the front seven, the lack of a run D, CJ and Stanford Routt.

Mays won’t start for an NFL team this year, and if he does, he won’t be near Tyvon Branch, even in his first year, unless he got drafted by a team like the Colts, or the Ravens, with brutish, dominant front sevens that make safeties look like Gods.

Mays would look like shit were it not for his being surrounded by guys ten guys closer to being the best at their positions in college than any opponent they face; Put him on a school where he’s the lone wolf on the team and he’s lost in the shuffle.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, guys! Don't kid yourselves!

If he had talent to start at safety, he’d have been given the opportunity elsewhere in the league. Is he even playing football anymore?

It’s a testament to how the shining stars in the USC program are rarely the diamonds in the rough these days that Cushing has turned out to be.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Was I asleep?

I don’t remember anyone blasting the Tyvon Branch pick.

by Rusty23 on Jan 27, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda
SS & FS are a problem bro big time Huff is all right Mike Mitchell is just a waste of a pick like I have said ! Eugene is not good at all plus hes a free agent along with Branch , Routt , Morrison and Howard ! IF The Raiders resign Branch put him at corner

I think that was what Kayla was refering to but it isnt quite a total blast on Tyvone but it did kinda slice him a bit.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 27, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks, L, you beat me to it!

any proposal of using a pick much more appropriate to our needs on a safety, is an insult to the existing safeties we have. Not at all a weakness.

I can see if there was an absolute steal in a round and you can’t pass them up, but the draft is so deep with trenchman, I wanna see the Sumo wrestler plan unveil…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Sold

Am not sold on Branch or even Mike Mitchell what a waste of a pick so lets hope The Raiders make the right draft choice at safety this time draft Taylor Mays has Raiders written all over him punishing hitter and a playmaker

by DJ Romero77 on Jan 29, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Hard to say a “waste of a pick” when we hardly saw Mitchell this year due to injuries. Picked too high? Perhaps. The Raiders have drafted lots of “playmakers” and “hitters” i.e. Derrick Gibson, Patrick Bates etc that haven’t panned out. Safety is not one of the prime areas of need on this team. OL, DL, a true MLB are where we need to go first.

by Rusty23 on Jan 29, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was

Mitchell was a waste of a 2nd round pick i wouldnt have done that at all or drafted him ! Hes a special teams player at best

by playmaker26 on Jan 29, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you know this because

You’ve seen him play so much? By the way, Taylor Mays has been horrible in Sr Bowl practice.

by Rusty23 on Jan 29, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice quote block

for a blockhead I guess never did it before.
I think you know what I was quoting. Painful trying to reply somedays. Spelling mistakes, improper blocking and God knows what else I fuck up when I post.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 27, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I suck at the tools too! So far I've had epic fails using them myself!

It’s become my mo here! lol

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so far, we appreciate your content.

I think I can speak for at least some of us. We don’t buy too much into being grammar police, really either, so long as the attempt to not butcher the language is apparent.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no .. not on Tyvon

it was your comment on Mitchel . [ i know you know enough about football not to blast tyvon – lol ]

i was just making a point that mitchel was only a rookie last year and we knew that he was going to be a work in process . thats all .

Im a sucker for the "Mc Nasty " types and feel thats whats missing on both lines . i heard the post- game interview form the Redskins game an loved the fire i heard from Mike Mitchell . At the same time i dont think we had a chance to see him on the field enough , but when he was in there its not not like he got ran over .

by xoxoxKayla on Jan 27, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I found Josey’s comment about Mitchell. Probably drafted too high but he showed some good signs so I have no complaints. I didn’t think anyone complained about Branch.

by Rusty23 on Jan 27, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

These D backs were spectacular, with the exception of Routt and CJ

especially considering the inconsistent pass rush, and the lack of a real captain at MLB, and the weakness against the run. The guys we have would be great with front seven help we need; Tyvon would be pro bowl.

Mitchell will be a great utility guy, and might develop into an all around guy; we’ve all agreed he was a reach where we took him, but as people have said, the draft is a crapshoot, and not keeping Branch, Mitchell, and even Eugene is a mistake. Mays could be an upgrade over Eugene, but not if you’re using one of first three picks, where we need to beef up the trenches. An OT, a DT, and a G. I’m really loving Mike Iupati the more I see. Can’t wait to watch him in the senior bowl. The guy has long arms, and knows how to use them. These kind of guys typically can handle much bigger stronger opponents adeptly because they neutralize them by keeping them further away, and maintain their leverage.

No safeties this time! Not enough a need to be enamored by a guy like Mays, especially if you’re using your best picks, and throwing that kind of money at him.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not everybody

Not everybody is sold on the safetys …..I much rather Have Taylor Mays then Mitchell or Branch hands down i feel Taylor Mays will be more dominant at safety then we have on the team

by playmaker26 on Jan 29, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way our team will progress

is if we discipline our acquisition strategy to a stricter needs assessment model.

Stopping the run, protecting the QB, and opening up running lanes.

by xville on Jan 29, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't give up on Mitchell

so soon.

He has similar numbers to Branch when he first came in, and also had some sacks.

by xville on Jan 26, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They designed some safety blitzes to get those sacks

and the guy’s a torpedo and a sure tackler. He’ll turn some heads this year, for sure. Has contributed on special teams from the get go.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Wilson won't be there in the third

I have been watching the Senior Bowl practices. He is the best CB on the North squad.

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Jan 26, 2010 12:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice draft!

smart moves, and great picks.

by patriotguy on Jan 26, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like it

I see offensive line as our biggest need, but I agree with taking the best player available in the first round. Especially one that can fill the middle and run like that.

The right side of the line needs the most work. Our tackle has been getting killed on that side. I wouldn’t be too disappointed if we got a really strong guard in the second round. I would probably lead towards tackle more.

by markdog333 on Jan 26, 2010 12:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One more WR

With Hue Jackson as the new OC- I would get one more WR- Murphy-Bey-?? What we need is a big slot WR- Dez Bryant (OSU) would be perfect. I do like the fact to address the need at the OL.

Steve Lovergine

by Rangers94 on Jan 26, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Chaz Schilens??

Are you forgetting the best receiver on the squad?

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 26, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Schilens?? What about Murphy?

 Murphy as a rookie proved he’s the number one hands down- NONE OF THE RAIDERS WR would even be a 3 on alot of teams depth charts. Schilens??LOL awful ! We need a Solid number 2 WR right now to go along with murphy-

LB 2 or 3 OT’S DT-SS-WR ( those are the raiders needs in no order)

Steve Lovergine

by Rangers94 on Jan 28, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you just say schilens was awful?

Dude schilens can catch anything in sight, has great route running, and enough quickness to beat the press. From what I’ve seen of him, he reminds me of Anquan Boldin. You may disagree with what I said, but you can NEVER say is awful!

That’s just plain foolish.

by patriotguy on Jan 28, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe your impression of Schilens would be different if you went to a game and

watched him play. Unless you meant “Awful” in the “Awesome” sense; in which case that’s closer to the truth.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What Raiders are these guys watching?

Dude, he was hurt for most of the season. And we played without an NFL qb for the majority of the season.

Schilens is that rare almost as big as a tight end, almost as fast as the fastest deep threat, almost as good a route runner as the best route runners in the league.

Maybe these are the guys advising Al?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is astonishing isn't it, and hard enough to believe that such ideas come into anyone's head who

has been following this team – but to actually publish these ill conceived ideas seems far more obscene than any of Larry Flint’s pornography (I would guess).

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 29, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bryant

If he’s drafted, he’s the best wide receiver on the team.

Moving Schilens, Murphy and Higgins down one notch is actually probably for the best.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I don’t think we should take a wide receiver even though Bryant would be our best one.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 27, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Look. I love Dez Bryant too, but we can't waste a pick on a wideout!

How can you judge your wideouts when we had a game where we actually had ten yards passing one game????

All the games Jamarcus played, should be thrown out the window, and forgotten forever! This team would’ve looked entirely different with anyone else back there, and the defense almost won some games despite him.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

I agree with not taking a wide receiver. I wasn’t being sarcastic. I don’t want to draft a wide receiver unless he’s a return specialist or something like that in the later rounds if the opportunity presents itself.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 29, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true. solid late round pick and an instant return specialist is a need, but only if he comes as a bargain

I think there are enough guys in the trenches at least worth looking at in the late rounds too. There’s a few FAs out there that could make solid return guys, and contributors to the WR corps.

Like I said, I love Dez Bryant, but it’s a reach for us. Repeat after me, nation: NO MORE REACHES!

If a pick can even be slightly construed as a reach, even by skewed perspectives, I say we don’t do it this time around. Needs, and the most talented, potential impact players at those needs with the respective picks. Simplify…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 5, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about...

Darrius “what’s a football” BEy?

"We can't stop here... This is bat country."

by Kwester421 on Jan 27, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting WR prospects in the second round.

6 minute highlight of jordan shipley(who might possibly be the next welker. I’m serious.). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1te2nR2SBE8

And here’s the ever reliable hands, great route running, and focus of Eric Decker. This one is actually 9 and a half minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx9WWaKQk5s

Try and watch as much of both as possible. They’re very Interesting, and they’re early second rounders.
My personnel favorite is Shipley.

by patriotguy on Jan 26, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why not throw in some safeties, a place kicker and a punter patriotguy

… are you surprised when people are suspicious where your true loyalties lie?

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you guys(or rangers to be exact) wanted to know about WR prospects.

I just provided two interesting ones that are in the second round. That’s all. I don’t think they should take one at all in any round. However.I won’t mind if the get one around the 6th round.

by patriotguy on Jan 27, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shipley is good

I watched that National Championship game, and Jordan Shipley is the only player that was making any plays for the Texas offense that day,. He is a solid round tow pick, just not for Oakland

by B.A.Armstrong on Jan 27, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There have been lot's of comparisons to Welker thrown around

Let’s get him in the pro game before we start giving him those kind of accolades.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 27, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shipley

That would be nice-

Steve Lovergine

by Rangers94 on Jan 28, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh....

If we get him, I’d be kind of mad, despite how talented the guy is. We don’t really need a WR so early in the draft. OL and our front seven(CB as well) should be payed more attention to. But even when I get mad at them, I can’t help but think:

1) Schilens, 2) Murphy, and 3) Shipley

Now that would be a nice receiving corpse.

by patriotguy on Jan 28, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Schilens, Murph, and Nick Miller might be a nice trio

with the right guy throwing the ball to them, and the right guy calling the play for that guy throwing the ball. and the coach coaching up those young sumo wreslters he’s signed…

If they’re not among top 15 receivers in the league in all categories next year if we get half those problems fixed, I’ll be surprised (not exactly Miller, but I’m just saying for all these guys like Shipley we’re looking at, we have a guy on the squad probably just as good or better, so we can’t bother with these kinds of guys. Stay the course. Fill the trenches with unmovable ballast that can move monumental mountains of men with minimal effort. Then, these guys come open more, they get thrown at more, the ball gets distributied more, and we all of a sudden, HAVE a corps of receivers.

Your above post is not meant to call our two starting receivers part of a three piece dead body awaiting to draft it’s remaining dead, and just a typo, right?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 28, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

corps.

that’s what I meant.

by patriotguy on Jan 31, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesnt matter how big, fast WR's are

if the QB DOES NOT have time to throw.

O -Line and more o-Line this draft

by Bud Light on Jan 26, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

plus if JaMiss is QB

he wouldnt be able to hit them anyway

by Bud Light on Jan 26, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mock Draft

Man…they should think about taking you to the draft…I can appreciate every single one of those draft picks in that order. Keep up the good work.

by biggreg408 on Jan 26, 2010 9:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

2 more CB's? Disagree.

Who is available on the FA market?

by Rusty23 on Jan 27, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully...

Stanford Routt

"We can't stop here... This is bat country."

by Kwester421 on Jan 27, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Tebow is there in the second round...

I say take him! No QB has had a freaking work ethic like this guy has since Gannon. With Hue Jackson’s knowledge and Tebows intensity, I think it is a chance worth taking!

"We can't stop here... This is bat country."

by Kwester421 on Jan 27, 2010 9:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

mock draft

Chale We need serious help in the secondary huff is a bust branch is more of a free safety we need a strong safety we should draft taylor mays from usc a hard hitting sob that can take charge he has ed reed ball hawking skills the team gots some good young talent but needs some strong veteran leadership with seymore it’s a start our LB are one the best with howard and morrisson just missing one ricky brown is good but we need someone solid thats not that injured prone we need some OL badly we got very old players that causes us to many yards during the game either draft some good players or through FA just fill in some of these gaps and we will be back on top

by StoveNation on Jan 28, 2010 7:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

dude

it took an utmost effort to read your post; I think you’ll be busted for it in more than one ways.

by Spirals galore on Jan 28, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and dude. we gotta get over getting hyped on the playmakers at SC

A comparison to Ed Reed? Are you effin kidding me? Every kid at SC looks like a shoe-in in the NFL, because SC has 8 guys usually that are all nation status at the collegiate level. Bring me a kid who’s doing it on some division three school in bfe, without any stars and NFL guys groomed from birth (yes, USC is a cheating organization, caught several times red handed, and have an unfair chance and should win by 50 points against most opponents; sorry SC alumni, but it’s my belief). Remember a kid named Darnell Bing? If I remember correctly he was a "hard hitting sob that can take charge, and silly comparisons were made to NFL guys like Ed Reed in similar asinine manners.

I believe Mays will be a solid player, but save the comparisons to guys like Mr. Reed, until you see if he can even keep up with NFL receivers, tackle NFL running backs, and cover NFL tight ends and bring them down in the open field consistently, then I’ll agree with your comparisons.

and it was pretty rough to read your post. an attempt to punctuate here and there would be greatly appreciated by all, and would go a long way in making your point more understandable. As for now, I’m still not sure what you said besides wanting Taylor Mays, and calling Huff a bust? Busts always lead the league for most of the season in ints at their position, don’t they.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 28, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about

Brian Price DT in the 1st

Terrence Cody DT in the 2nd

We wouldn’t have to worry about the run for years.

A lot of good offensive tackles that were in the top ten two months ago have fallen to later rounds. We should take advantage of that, and deepen the Offensive line in the 3rd, 4th and 5th.

And getting that second deep threat with Holliday is a good gamble in the 7th.

by xville on Jan 29, 2010 4:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's the funniest comment I've read in a while!

Kudos Sons!!!

The woodwork is letting them out, that’s for sure.

by Rusty23 on Jan 29, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm beginning to think if McClain doesn't fall to us at 8th pick

we trade down, take Iupati, and take the best of either DT, or MLB, or OT with the 2 pick. Making the third an easier decision, and so on.

At least xville has focused on the trenches. The game is won in the trenches, guys, and the holes we have there are the reason these tremendously talented athletes we have aren’t exploding big play after big play.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 29, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If

He doesn’t fumble the ball or drop the pass.

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If if if if

If we had McFadden spilt on the end to mathc up, if we had bush carrying the ball 20 times a game, if we had a real OC calling plays.
If I had a million dollars.
Forward please I know we love to play devils advocate but I am trying and praying for the next season to have less pain and to not ponder tha past season of possibilities that quite obviously never happened.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually looking forward.

We all know Russell has to get his shit straight (if he ever hopes to have an NFL career) but there are other guys that need to work on things too. My point is that McFadden needs to fix the fumbles and drpped passes. If he does and our line is rebuilt, we could have some monster games. Can’t go forward without without fixing those things that have plagued us in the past.

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

It was more about what could be done IF we had this or that in general to all things.
I am behind you totally regarding the correct past mistakes and so on and so forth.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was

going to add a sentence saying that’s probably where you were heading. Should have!

I know we’re the only two on here because we live in colder climates than most of these folks. 22 in Chicago and really don;t feel like being outside. How’s Canada?

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It was a chipper -19 thats celcius (about -12 F) without the wind chill.
I can however take it like a champ I have endured -60 C before no problem.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Yes I am inside just rippin some music for working out so no real outdoor activities but it really doesnt bug me that much. My better half however verbalizes her great displeasure of anything below 50 F so it is so painful in other ways.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thought you'd be ice fishing today!

I’m from northern Wisconsin originally and hate the cold…but when I lived there and it was cold I’d say, “well, at least I’m not in Canada!” Funny, my wife told me that if we ever move again, it will be to some place warmer! I agree though, I’m a summer guy. You must enjoy your month and a half of summer!

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG UR such a stereotyper

Dude we get 4 months of summer in Toronto and it hits 90F plus most summers. Its rare that it gets this cold.
One more thing, we dont all live in igloos either. (Rolls his eyes) LOL

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So...

You don’t use whale oil in your lamps? :-)

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Just like I am sure U dont sleep with UR cousins or other direct family members like a lot of people think of when they here about people from small rural states.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol! not even they can be sure of that!

I feel icky for saying that…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In small rural states, when you're buddy breaks up with his girlfriend, or divorces his wife

You get first dibbs! I heard it’s in the rural state handbook from the guy I know who lives in a small, rural state!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

U said it not me. Not sure I will here here that one.
I will just sit here and drink and laugh and laugh.
Ok enough I put the heavy artillary of verbal assault aside and back to what matters more Da Raidas.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been fun!!!

It’s now time for a scotch and dinner.

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beat U to it

Working on drink #2 and thinking about dinner

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheers, guys!

Gotta get my fanny perpendicular, myself. Time to finish preparing for my road trip, but I’ll have a cold beer in hand, and will be thinking about dinner!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 30, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bottoms Up!

I would say cheers but I am in a conundrum looking for some more mix to make more drinks. Damn now I must venture out into the fridgid air! Well sacrifices must always be made in some shape or form.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 30, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me about it, we have to apply sunblock even in the winter

and we have sandy beaches just like Hawaii so the sand occasionally gets in our MaiTais when reclining at the beach … we all have our crosses to bear.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 30, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well a huge

cross to bear would be wearing a life jacket or having a helicopter on stand by for when the big quake hits and California slides into the Pacific.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hey, "if you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space"

I think Jack Bauer might have said that but my shorin-ryu sensei, the late (and great) Sid Campbell, said it a lot.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right back at U

My KF instructor always said if your over the edge throw people over until you get enough room to be comfortable. I enjoy following that one

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LyleAlzado, you must feel very cramped

to dream of disasters in California…

by Spirals galore on Jan 31, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

UR twisting my words

There is no indication that I am dreaming of disaters in Cali. Quote where I said or wish that.
Its a well documented fact that the San Anreas fault has the potential of causing Cali to break off and possibly fall into the Pacific. That is not some cosmic dream I came up with.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Having lived near the ocean most of my life

I consider the ocean the edge and inland places stifling and claustrophobic. So I can relate to Spirals’ comment that makes the same assumption I make, i.e. that the ocean is the edge and Toronto, for example, is not on it.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

We are just exchanging verbal jabs in jest and I do believe U realize the difference and probably enjoy the jousting.
I however did not wish any disasters on anyone/thing, Spirals statement took what I said to a few more degrees of difference.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! I was giving you a jab too!

I enjoy the jabbing. Well; if you really want to know what I thought, it was that you were jealous that you are not in California. But you’re more than welcome to come and visit us, and if the Big One happens while you’re here, you’ll have a story for your grandkids.

by Spirals galore on Jan 31, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I do plan on getting in a game one day, I just have to convince the GF to come along. Its a little hard when she see the way our fans dress and look in the stands. It is such an awesome sight but intimidating to the outsider.
So no we have it all clear.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell her I bought a pair of leather pants

from Victoria’s Secret. I wear them at Games, and also when it rains here.

by Spirals galore on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NICE!!

She likes to dress more scantily than that. Like plunging neck lines to show the girls she paid a handsome amount of $$$ for. Maybe leather hot pants and a sling type tank top made of the same.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, check

the latest VS catalog for these

by Spirals galore on Jan 31, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wondering

I am guessing you have looked for these items before for yourself.
I will however under great duress ask her to look and try to wear. I have no idea how I will ever put up with it. ;)

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

she must be an ascetic,

given the cold weather you have there. Mortifying the flesh’s desire for warmth…

by Spirals galore on Jan 31, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

;)

I will elt you to continue wondering LOL

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The cold Toronto air must be

stimulating. I’m no longer feeling claustrophobic about Toronto!

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Continue

pondering that. Let you wonder at the possibility.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

there are very many opportunities here too

to mortify the flesh—she might, for example, venture into the Pacific without a wetsuit (brrrr)!

by Spirals galore on Jan 31, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a thought

And a sight! For the thermometers pop right up and require a warming

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same effect here with the sun

the thermometer rises from the meat when its ready to eat.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

No matter the temp I think the thermometer should be checked and attended to. LOL
Am I right Spirals?

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The very advice Titus Pullo gave

Lucius Voremus (see, HBO’s excellent mini-series ‘Rome’)

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By 'on the edge', I realize you meant "dangerous"

rather than some geo-physical analogy.
nb. in regard to dangerous, the politics here are far more scary than earthquakes.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It like that

Everywhere the politics are in sane no matter the location.
Give me 7 Sundays a week of Armour glad, driven beasts chasing and smashing to get the oblong leather shaped ball.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 'beautiful maddnes' of football

is far more sane than the political game. I used to be addicted to politics and have upgraded to sports for my health.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky

I have to endure many politics in my job with my patients that are in the political realm. So do get pulled into the blackhole no matter my strength to pull away.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You get first dibbs

but chances are that you’ve been there, done that!

by Rusty23 on Jan 30, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone remember?

What was the intention of this thread to start anyhow? We have politics, disasters and weather this last bit.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 10:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes

I tried and tried but alas no leather hot pants or top I spoke of earlier in the VS catalogue. Me think a gander at a more risque site such as FOH would satisfy the appetite.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 31, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trent Williams

would be a solid first round pick to shore up that right side tackle position.

by xville on Jan 31, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

From Walter Linemen Report

Summary:
bq. “Trent Williams is a very solid left tackle prospect, but he has lots of room to improve in the running game and I don’t think he will ever be considered an elite pass protector in the NFL. Williams is making the move from right to left tackle in 2009, and NFL scouts will be monitoring his progress closely. The official Oklahoma Web site claims he runs the 40-yard dash in 4.82 seconds… we’ll see about that at the Combine.”

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 31, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right tackle is what we want,

and if we’re gonna get one that early, he better be great at pass protection and the run.

by xville on Jan 31, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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