What Hiring Hue Jackson Could Mean
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 4:22 PM PST
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Our Oakland Raiders made a few headlines today with the hiring of Hue Jackson, the former quarterbacks coach of the Baltimore Ravens from 2008-09. Jackson, who has been coaching in the NFL since 2001, has coached many facets of the offense. With the Washington Redskins from 2001-02, he coached the running backs while performing both that duty and the offensive coordinator job in 2003. Jackson coached Cincinnati Bengals wide receivers Chad Ochocinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh from 2004-06 prior to becoming the offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons in 2007. As previously stated, Jackson spent the last two years with the Ravens. Now, he's coming to Oakland to coordinate the offense.
Now that we've gotten past the boring stuff, let's see what hiring Hue Jackson could mean for the team.
Put away the play sheet for good, Tom. [via imgs.sfgate.com]
First, hiring Hue Jackson means that Tom Cable no longer controls the offense. Could it mean much more than that, though? Cable doesn't run neither the offense nor the defense, so what purpose does he serve? Could he now be fired? Although ESPN reported that Cable was being retained, the Raiders have denied that any decision made has been a final one despite it being widely suspected. With Jackson being hired and Al Davis denying the reported final decision on Cable, one's mind starts to wonder.
Could this be JaMarcus Russell's last chance? [via media.al.com]
Secondly, moving past the coaching staff, this could be a move made by Al Davis to help his project JaMarcus Russell out. Jackson has had success developing Joe Flacco, a fine quarterback from the University of Delaware that has played for the Ravens for both of Jackson's two seasons in Baltimore. Whether or not Davis still wants Russell as a starter is unclear to me since Davis is supposedly bringing back someone that benched "his guy." The hiring of Jackson, though, reaffirms those people's speculation of Russell being the starter for the upcoming season.
Utilizing Darren McFadden correctly would give the offense a new weapon. [via a.espncdn.com]
Next, will we finally start seeing some personnel being used correctly? Two things are pretty obvious that didn't really get done last year offensively. For one, Darren McFadden needs the ball in space. He needs to be lined up in all sorts of different positions to be successful. Get him in the ball in space and let's see what happens. Jackson's Ravens last year had a lot of success with running back Ray Rice, the man who led the team in receptions. McFadden was lined up as a receiver, yes, but it was too late in the season. Hopefully we build on that moving forward this season. Michael Bush, another young running back, needs to get the ball often between the tackles and more often than Justin Fargas or even McFadden. Bush was clearly our most effective rusher last year and didn't get the ball nearly as much as he should have. Hand him in the rock, Hue!
The leader of the Alabama defense, Rolando McClain, is still my pick. [via www.realclearsports.com]
Lastly, this hiring actually could very well impact the NFL draft in April. This whole offseason could be about Russell. Davis could be thinking, "I'll hire someone to help develop Russell and then I'll draft someone to protect him." There are some pretty damn good offensive tackle prospects available around the Raiders' picking slot at number eight. The name we're all familiar with, Bruce Campbell, and then Anthony Davis are potential targets now more than ever before. Other needs could be pressing like middle linebacker if Kirk Morrison isn't re-signed, but offensive tackle obviously caters toward Russell more. This could spell the end for a potential drafting of Rolando McClain.
Hue Jackson's arrival to Oakland brings about hope for the offense this upcoming season. Jackson, by working with three different positions in his coaching staff, can bring the best out of our talented young players at different positions. If nothing else, he can't be as bad as Tom Cable was at calling plays, right? Overall, I am pretty enthusiastic about this hiring. What do you guys think the hiring of Hue Jackson means?
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Hiring Jackson is huge!! I hope he makes the right moves, and the chances of Troy Smith coming to Oakland with him are high!
Tom Cable needs to be kept, He is the heart of the team right now and letting him go could be a huge morale loss.
Thats what she said
I agree on Cable
but still not getting the Troy Smith hoopla. Good college QB – Wins the Heisman but falls to the 5th round in the draft. Hasn’t played much with the Ravens, you don’t hear any of their fans talking the guy up or other teams asking about his availabilty via trade. He’s a typical Raider fail. Good athlete that won’t make it as a starter in the NFL. Why do we want that?
troy smith
is not a nfl starting qb. kinda like the fat pos on the raiders
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Good post RRS but....
like I’ve written elsewhere I’m going to take a wait and see approach on Jackson. His work in the NFL has been mixed with success in Cincinnati and Baltimore and less success in Washington and Atlanta.
I’ve felt from the begining that Russell would be back under center next season and it seems more and more likely that Cable will return.
I’m not a huge fan of either idea but that really doesn’t matter. My hope going forward is that Jackson is allowed to call the plays the way he wants. That John Herrera finds a rock and crawls under it forever and JaMarcus Russell decides to retire. At this point I just hope one of those things comes true.
I am curious about the specifics of Jackson's approach to players,
and also how he deals with strong personalities, like Al. I listened to him today and liked what he said (I will paraphrase)—that it will be fun to see how the JR project will turn out. Fun, not chore or ego trip.
by Spirals galore on Jan 26, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
on corps and team units, that is...
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yes. in regards to his development and unmistakable mark he's left on individual players
But his resume on the team units, he’s coached, are marked with great success, and periods very forgettable. Which leaves in question his ability to coordinate an entire offense…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
But I meant to correct my own post with that last one!
Excuse me for the confusion!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
can you guys give me some links for more info on
his lesser accomplishments and what exactly he did wrong?
by Spirals galore on Jan 26, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
With the Falcons, Jackson didn't call plays until
their last three games; in two of these, the Falcons did well.
This is the kind of detail I am asking you to supply, not generalities.
by Spirals galore on Jan 26, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
he was not allowed to call plays until the last three games.
Apparently, the head coach had a huge ego, then bolted out.
by Spirals galore on Jan 26, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. I got that.
Hence the part I want so see how he did calling plays for a year.
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I'll give you stats in a little bit
And actually, that’s what I asked the guys who came up with the broad statements to provide as well, otherwise the conversation goes in circles
by Spirals galore on Jan 26, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry. I don't have stats (they tell lies anyway, in my book) and am more referring to a lack of a body of work calling plays
by which to judge. I love the marks he’s left on the players mentioned in the posts, and his work with great qbs. I’m just curious as to how this will equate to being a good play caller.
I’m inclined to believe he’ll more aptly utilize our strengths by his persona, but there’s just little by which to judge him as a coordinator.
And while individuals shined within his systems as position coaches, their respective teams lack the W’s to really make a judgment. The units he coached stood out much less than the individuals. I’ll find some examples now.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yes, you articulated this much better, thank you
Indeed, he was calling plays for part of 2003 and the last three games of the 2007 season. So, Mikesd1981, I can’t give you a full-year of stats.
by Spirals galore on Jan 26, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
In the last 3 games the Falcons went 1-2 and scored in order:
3 , 27 and 44 points.
Redman passed for 34, 315 and 245 yards
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 27, 2010 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
just look at that positive progression!
and the 44 pts was against a decent Seattle team.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
My brother is a huge Cowboy's fan, and I watched some of the games in 2001-2003
Take away Stephen Davis, who rushed for almost 1500 yards in ‘01, during his tenure as RB coach, and ultimately a short stint as OC (what worries me, why no longevity?), the RB’s were very mediocre. When he succeeded the team as OC, they lost the first game against Dallas, and got shutout in the second (while he was coordinating the offense) and I believe it was at least partially due to flat, unimaginative playcalling.
Then, he returns to RB coach, and is let go at the end of the season. He’s picked up as a WR coach for Cinci, where he had perhaps his best statistical presence as a teams coach, and Chad Johnson and Houshmandzadeh emerged as premiere guys in the leage, but Carson Palmer was on fire, as was Rudi Johnson. Offense was firing on all cylinders. Cinci finishes with a .500 record. 2005, the TJ and CJ set a record for recepts, they improve to 11-5 and make the playoffs, and the infamous Palmer knee break happens. 2006, back to 8-8 (I know, Palmer has never quite returned from the injury to his form in ’05) and then he goes to Atlanta as the coordinator in ’07, and they were close to last offensively in almost every category.
2008, he goes to the Ravens as qb coach, and he’s lauded for the standup job he did in grooming Flacco? Flacco was regarded highly be several guys as one of the most NFL ready guys, and he didn’t have to be spectacular in Baltimore (defense and run game) to get W’s.
Now, we hire him as OC? It just wreaks of being a hand picked guy for Jamarcus, and for us to expect he’ll “polish the terd,” as TRURAIDA, so eloquently put it, just leaves me puzzled, as do most Raiders offseason moves.
The one thing he has going for him is his personality; I’m inclined to believe it will work with the current chemistry, but I’m admittedly, often terrible at predicting coaches’ successes in the league.
I just don’t follow the progression from position coach, to temp OC (not good stints either) back to position coach, and then to another position?
Maybe someone who knows his history more intimately can shed some light on it?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I don't believe Hue's ever done that Mike, are you sure?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well that's what I was asking
because the answer is no he hasn’t.. And I agree with bryhno. We picked him because he’s worked with Cable and it’s to get Russell up to speed (won’t happen). Yeah chemistry and knowing the other coaches is good, but read the post by brhyno and you’ll see that as on OC he’s really not that great. Now with having to run the system that Davis wants, and it seems he’s not very good at OC, especially at utilizing the run game. So I suppose time will tell, but I’m not sure this is a great decision.
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The QBs and WRs he worked with improved and
have high regard for him. So, he’s effective with the offensive backs. Supposedly Cable will be concentrating on the oLine. (fn. It’s likely that either or both Jim Michalczik – OL Coach and Chris (“I literally want to eat your lunch”) Morgan Assistant OL coach may not be staying.) Therefore, we have both a play caller who can’t be worse than Cable and someone who will get the most out of our O-backs. It’s in the right direction. I’m not giddy but have the warm feeling from expectations of good things coming.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 6:17 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't the assistant coaches
need to know by last Tuesday if they were being retained?
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from this post, where I typo'd
one corps and teams of units he’s coached, not so much
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I agree, sir
his mark on individual players is indisputable, one corps and teams of units he’s coached, not so much.
and why the constant changing of position coaches, and now OC? How successful he’ll be remains to be seen. I know one thing: he’ll call better plays than TC!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
brhynno
im not saying this guy will do wonders for us but im not saying that he wont either. i think maybe his credentials as an NFL OC are not so good is because more of his surroundings than him. he OC’ed under 2 college coaches gone bad in the nfl. plus the fact in wash. he had pat ramsey and tim hassellbeck for qbs and in atlants the whole vick deal came out when he was there and in came herrington. as far as his position jobs bouncing around, who knows but i know marv pulled him from wash to cincy. hey him being a jack of all trades might really benefit us and his first 2 gigs as OC may have been all a learning curve and now he will adjust his mistakes from the past! im kinda excited thus far
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 26, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not doubting him; I'm in no position to really do so. I don't know him well enough
The fact that Marv brought him with encourages me. I agree with having a well rounded background, and rapport with several units of the offense, so I’ll remain positive about this hire. I’m excited too!
Hell, I’m excited we signed an OC, period! Tom definitely needed to be relieved of that duty; that, I know for sure.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
im with you 100%
the whole bouncing around from job to job makes a guy wonder what the hell is going on or we think he must have done a bad job to not be retained. but then the giants let go waufle after the job he did their as did we after the success he gave us. its a dog eat dog world in the nfl.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 26, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think it had more to do with the situations he was in than his performance
When he was with the Falcons…that was just a terrible situation to be in and they wanted to start fresh after the Pettrino debacle…so there is nothing to take from his stint there. Same thing with his short tenure with the skins…they’re always in flux there and coaches come and go from there about as often as they do here unfortunately.
I think it’s best just to sit back and enjoy the experiment…it can’t get much worse than last year with the offense and play calling. It’ll be nice to have 1 person calling plays on offense and that’s their only job. It really was too much for Cable to handle and expect him to turn the offense around when his priorities were all over the place.
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by Buster Bluth on Jan 27, 2010 5:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, why did this Petrino leave the Falcons
and why did Spurrier suddenly decide to give Jackson the play-calling duties?
by Spirals galore on Jan 27, 2010 6:04 AM PST up reply actions
and between now and the draft why not enjoy better expectations based
on the improvements we watched on the field this season and Al’s last two significant decisions (Waufle and Jackson)? True, those who dare optimism are more vulnerable to the intense disappointment that the pessimists avoids by their low-grade heartache, but I’ll risk that given we are pointed in a better direction than before.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
It should be cautious optimism
because the system that Al wants still there and there is no GM to act as a buffer between coaches and Al. Therefore I still expect a lot of meddling with the coaching staff. So while we have possibly made improvements, one of the biggest problems is still there.
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Sounds like the Raiders made a good move here.
Let’s hope.
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Whoa
This isn’t the A’s blog, Bloom. Get back inside.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
sry.
{scuttles away}
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by Leopold Bloom on Jan 26, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Kidding
Please, join us.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
He seems to
have had a positive influence wherever he’s gone.
And speaking from a little more objective view than most of you….the Raiders defense played hard all year and did not give up, until and unless the offense had clearly already done so. And there were several instances where the defense continued LONG past the offense. This team is not far from being good.
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by Leopold Bloom on Jan 26, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
this is a very accurate assessment. This defense could've statistically been much better
with even a little help from the offense. You also can never underestimate the ability of an offensive leader to give the team faith in the next possession, something Jamarcus never did.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Don't leave out the possibility of Steve Mariucci Joining The Ranks Once The Super Bowl is Over:
He would fill the GM or Head Coaching position rather well. And he did have Waufle, Cable and Jackson on his team at Cal.
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 26, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions
Luv me some Mooch!
But i’m afraid you’re reaching here, Saint! I know I’ve heard Mooch express he’d be one of those who’d avoid Oakland at all costs.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yeah
everyone should give up on both the ideal of ever seeing Mariucci and the elusive “football guy” come to Oakland.
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Mariucci as GM?
that I’m a little confused by as he’s never been a GM before or even had much control over personnel in either San Francisco or Detroit.
I’d be much more open to the idea of Mariucci as head coach but it sure seems like Cable is coming back at this point.
I’m with you Mike about Davis getting some help. I think it’s fair to say he’s going down swinging which is what you expect from a man like Al (even though this ticks me off I still kind of respect it)
Mooch as GM
We have a general manager. His name is Al Davis, and he isn’t going anywhere. All the talk about a GM started way back when he (Davis) mentioned that he had someone local in mind to help with the football side of things. Somehow that got interpreted by a lot of folks as meaning that he was going to hire a GM, and I’m not sure how that happened. He never mentioned hiring a GM then, and hasn’t since. I know a lot of Raider fans wish he would hire a general manager, but he’s not going to.
by edward teach on Jan 28, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
mooch
wouldnt sign a 1 yeard deal. and al wont sign mooch into 2011 when there could be no nfl season. long story short mooch aint coming to oaktown anytime soon. cable is here to stay in 2010
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Def. a good hire; pretty good article on the Bleacher report
and this mock draft:
Not a bad one, in that it looks at best, worst case scenarios, and also what we would likely do…
Some are pretty on, some I’d love for him to be right, and others, well, it is the crapshoot we know that is the draft, but damn, it sure seems like it’s stacked with guys in the positions we need.
A mess up this time around will be a monumental one.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I wonder if he's called JaMarcus Yet?
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 26, 2010 5:53 PM PST reply actions
Russell
He was probably getting ready to head to a club or something.
“Yuh, we-uh talk later, Hue.”
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
That is what I was thinking
Both of the recent coaching hires have connections to Cable
This all leads to a conclusion
that Russell will start at least half the season. Another year down the tube. We should unload Russell and Cable. Al Davis doesn’t know when to cut his losses.
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I'm with you somewhat here, Mike, but no way he last half the season again
if he plays anywhere close to how he did last year.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Pre-season at best if he still stinks
That’s my guess. I think if he tuens up again overweight and doesn’t know the playbook then he will be on a short leash.
People say that Al will force the coaches to play him but I suspect that Al ended up with enough egg on his face last year over JRuss that he will not stick with an underperformer.
Just a hunch..
by KiwiRaiderFan on Jan 26, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Good hunch too, KRF
add to that a strong man with credentials and credibility reassuring Al and Russell will be pack on the pine by week 3. We’ll be in the hole 2 games instead of 7.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Talk about it, Sons! Talk about it!!!!!
I think he’ll ride the pine even in preseason!
If we’re not convinced everything so far hasn’t been impetus enough for him to pull his head out of his ass, why are we to believe the season he actually has to earn his money will change anything (he’ll still be counting the tens of millions).?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
well he only started 1.5 seson
that’s not enough to judge…..ok kidding.
He won’t learn, but Al wont learn either. He’ll start 4 games or until the BYE.
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Even if that's true it beats the hell out of 9 starts
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
But if wel come out
and lose w/ Russell and start the season off with a losing mentality and low morale,l then that requires us to climb up hill to overcome ourselves before even worrying about the opponent. It’s a shame Davis doesn’t see this and just won’t cut his losses.
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well said, Mike.
It’s hardest to judge how much 1 wrong guy brings you down, but it no doubt ten times worse then not having 5 right guys. Much easier to fix that problem. This guy leaves the bldg, and you see a different team, Al or not.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I just don't see Davis allowing him to be benched
in preseason and pay him as much as he is. I don’t think there will be a QB competition. In fact, and usually I’m against such things, I’d like to see Grad go somwhere else where he can legitimately compete to start.
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First, while I appreciate your personal concern for Grad, I don't think it has the best
interests of the team in view. Second, I believe the two main reasons Jackson is here are play-calling and a last effort to develop Russell (and probably DHB too) so if Jackson fails (one way of looking at it) then Russell is through. This may happen earlier than your projection, as KRF opined, so I wouldn’t act so certain about Al being hell-bent on repeating another 2009 experiment- given these changed circumstances and disastrous experiences.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe you're right.
It would be nice. But as you said elsewhere, Cable will just be a scape goat for Russell’s failures and we may start all over for year 5 and 6 of his contract.
And no, it’s not in the best interest of the team, and I rarely say such a thing, but I don’t see a fair QB competition happening. Russell will be christened as starter from the get go.
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with russell
the old saying is true "you can’t polish a terd’ the thought of an OC changing the way russell plays the game is comical,he is what he is… SORRY…..the hire I like, the thought that hue can get something out of russell is just plain crazy……please can we just go our seperate ways? it will make things a hell of alot easier in the long run….advice to russell = get out now before everybody who has a cheering interest,plays for and runs the RAIDERS all hate your sorry gizzard eating ass.
thanks.
I must've missed that old saying! But it def holds true!
I’d be sooooooo much more excited about next year if Jamarcus was removed from the equation, yesterday…
But we all know better now, don’t we?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Jackson has a good resume
there’s nothing bad I could say about this. This is a good thing. A step forward
Hiring Jackson means nothing
Al Davis is still calling the shots. Expect more double digit losing seasons until the Al Davis regime is ousted.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 8:16 PM PST reply actions
if al is calling the shots
jackson would be in chicago right now!
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 26, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Jackson wouldn't have taken this gig if he wasn't assured some autonomy
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 26, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely, this guy isnt a new comer that is going to leave that balt. team to play puppet
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 26, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
why not?
the checks wont bounce.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Chicago
I be that they’re feeling really bad right now. “He chose Al Davis or us? Man, our job must suck!”
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
he chose
california over illinois. he is from ca. and has family in both nor cal and la area. wanted to be closer to them
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
don't kid yourself. it's not as if Chicago has demonstrated taking on the world
anytime soon. The whole Cutler thing turns out to be a joke, too. Jamarcus is a bigger cancer than Al is; granted, he’s the reason we still have him here, but take Russell out of the equation and everything changes.
It’s why I’ve said get rid of him asap, regardless of when it’s best financially. Cut your losses, because it creates a whole dynamic that detracts focus from the team working on becoming a team.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The fates have arrainged things such that "developing" Russell will be the
catalyst for positive change. How is that?! Offensive Linemen will be acquired bigtime from now until August and Cable will dedicate himself to the O-line (something he supposedly isn’t inept with), Jim Michalczik and Chris Morgan will be terminated as o-line coaches and then, and then our offense will be ready to Rock-n-Roll … once Al is finally convince that Russell was an even bigger mistake than the first firing of Art Shell .
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
Coaches were supposed to be told by last Tuesday
if they were going to be retained or not.
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what are the implications? Is Al only allowed to add coaches and not rid the team of them?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
and the consequences if Al cuts one loose?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
its an nfl rule if their contract expires and most of our assistants
have another year.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 27, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know.
I don’t work for the NFL. I’m sure you could Google it. I just know that’s the deadline for assistant coaches to know what’s going on from watching the Cable will he/won’t he saga.
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i just remember watching the nfl net.
and the whole cable watch deal was making headlines and the assistant coach deadline was brought up and a reporter said what i posted above, if they are still under contract then that tuesday anouncment wasnt a to do.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 28, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
russel
I have a feeling he will re-do his contract and be back next year. No one on planet earth would pay him more than we would, so why not re-negotiate?
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions
tell me
if you were guaranteed 30 some million even if you sat on the bench. Would you renegotiate?
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jackson
it is time we move on from jamarcus russell, he will never be a leader and it is proven we cant win with him..we need to draft defense..rolando mcclain, now we can build our defense behind the next ray lewis…
i say o-line
but cant say id be dissapointed (ie DHB) w/ mcclain
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 26, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
DHB is the one guy I'll continue to stand by
and can’t wait ‘til he shut’s haters tfu, with Branch like deep threat skills, consistent double coverages, and Greg Papa screaming:
TOOOOUUUUUCCHDOWWWWNNNNNNN RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAIIIIDDDDEEEERRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again, take JRock out of the equation, and this young wr corps can be spectacular.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Heyward-Bey
God, he better prove me wrong. Become a stellar wide receiver, one worthy of being the number one receiver on a playoff team. Right now, I’m more than wishing that we had taken Oher over him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 26, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Oher was my pick for rookie of the year; I'll never like where we took DHB
but love that we got him, and didn’t feel that way at the time. I have to admit, I thought Crabtree was the guy we needed; came to feel we dodged a bullet with that holdout nonsense, not that we can say for sure he would’ve held out here.
He’ll outwork the propensity for the yips, learn the game. Has all the physical tools, and the will, unlike some of his fellow first rounders, so I know this guy will pan out. He’ll use the criticism, like Mitchell will, to motivate him for his entire career.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Hopfully your right man
Id love nothing more than to see DHB blossom into the next great Oakland Raider WR.
Tommy Kelly's ass won us that game against Denver!
Actually, I know Murphy will be that guy
but DHB has a great work ethic and a good head on his shoulders. Odds say in the NFL if you have these things, and physical gifts, you’ll go on to have some success.
How much, remains the question.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
that plus with chaz and murph working hard
these young guys are going to feed of eachothers success and try and out do one another.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 27, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
dhb
cant catch. a bad trait for a wr
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 27, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
tell that to rice, branch and biletnikoff since they couldnt their 1st season either.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
you can go down the list of the goats
Art Monk, Isaac Bruce, Largent…
I was badmouthing him a lot, but the ringing endorsements I heard him garner from guys like the Jaw, both PK’s, Rich McKay, some top agents. He works his ass off, and is too skilled. We’ll always be criticized for using that pick, but he’ll be solid, and like rodeo said, they feed off each other. they have before, and they will.
Lest we forget, they had a qb for about half the season! They had to practice with that monumental waste of a human being, a busload of money, and a howitzer arm.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
dhb
doesnt have soft hands. that is evident.—- not fixable.
doesnt attack the ball while its in the air. —kinda fixable—da vertical game) he spends the effort hand fighting w/ his defenders instead of getting to a spot and attcking the ball. Did you notice how many times he was “overthrown” on these go routes? I did. When I watched the play develop he spent so much wasted effort hand fighting w/ the cb.
On deep flys/gos (the reason why he was drafted- fixable
Personally I’ll go w/ murphy, schillens and jlh. DHB is our #4 till he produces more than 9 cathes in 11 games (should have been 8 catches, they have him that gift in the KC game).
Not the Az Cardinals rec corp but ill take me some murphy, schillens and miler. Heck yeah I will.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
We can agree on those three then, and agree to disagree about DHB
I also agree you drop him on the depth chart until you get the production. You should always start your best three. If you’re referring to Nick Miller, it’s difficult to see him ahead of DHB, but you could be right about where they are at this point.
The handfighting is ineffective when the footwork is missing, and Tim Brown became one of the most effective tusslers with CB’s in the league, so I disagree with this not being fixable. He doesn’t naturally have soft hands, but many have gone on to become consistent catchers that weren’t blessed with the innate skill.
the stats have everything to do with what I said about Jamarcus, then Grad came in and he was hurt for most of the time. No excuses, he was nothing close to being worthy of the pick, but I just have the strongest feeling he’ll develop. And though he doesn’t naturally attack the football, why do say that can’t be taught?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
comparing monk,largent,biletnikof, rice, etc to dhb
Is so silly and homer. I love the optimism but reality is reality.
At best DHB will be a number 2 and have a pedestrian/journey man career.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
James Jett, Alexander Wright
compare them to DHB. Thats exactly who is he is…..
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
rice was damn near cut for drops as a rookie.
thats what we are talking hands not yards. of course he had those yards with 120 plus targets his direction. dhb was targeted 40 times and murph was tied or 4th in the league with 9 drops. now if we are still discussing this 2 years from now, than thats different. XVILLE you still swing on russell’s cock and he is a coming 4th year bust.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 28, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Rice was NFC rookie of the year I believe.
And as far as being in jeopardy of his job, I don’t think Bill Walsh worried too much about that.
Yes. Mr. Walsh had little patience for the dropped balls
especially the clutch situations in which they were consistently occurring, in preseason, practice, and into the season. I have every reason to believe it’s why he went on to become so great, and finish that year turning heads. He learned a lot in the right program with some great talent throwing to him, too.
My comments, were not comparisons to these guys, simply to how those goats dropped a lot of balls in their first years, and nothing else really glared in their inabilities. I can show you ten plays where DHB came wide open twice on plays, and Jamarcus had already locked onto another guy and was sacked, fumbled, or sailed it ten yards over a different receivers head. Once or twice, you though JR was throwing to DHB but it looked like it was thrown more at another guy.
Isaac Bruce dropped the hell out of balls for almost three NFL seasons. If not for the "greatest show on turf, where with Holt, and Randle El, and Marshall Faulk, they became spectacular and explosive. Suddenlly when he went deep downfield, it resulted in a td, not heartache and despair.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
well reasoned (and seasoned)
perhaps xville resents anyone who makes his hero look worse
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
dont agree
but crabtree was a no-brainer stud. dhb is a late 2nd round/ early 3rd project that we took w/ the 7th pick. when al davis say dhb’s 40 times his cock stood up for the 1st time in 26 years. thats why he drafted him.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
thats funny because dhb was projected to go 1st rd 20-25 pick
but yes there was better wrs to get no question, but we got who we got, so give him more than 11 games and 40 targets.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 28, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
thats not true
The Mel Kiper draft gurus had DHB as the 5th best wr.
Crabtree, maclin, hicks, harvin were the top 4.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
You're right about Kiper's guys
but DHB was projected late first round, early second by many others’ gurus. so do the math.
Believe me, and I’ve said it before, I thought at the time we should’ve taken Crabtree, and he’s indeed possessing the innate skills to which you referred (i.e. attacking the ball, soft hands, etc.) but forgot that Al is enamored by track speed, and they also emphasized character guys in the draft this time around.
Crabtree has demonstrated already he lacks character, and I believe he’ll go on to be a diva who’s mouth outweighs his talent and ability to lift his teams performance, much like TO’s did for most of his career, and like Randy Moss has been guilty of in the past.
I was as critical of drafting these guys, especially because of where we took them. I’ve just heard loudly and clearly from top personnel guys in the league, that they believe this guy will develop, and by his work ethic and the time he’s putting in, I believe them.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
What's not true?
Bey could be rated 5th best WR and also be a 1st round pick (there often are about 5 WRs going in the 1st round)
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Even with all the time lost in negotiating his contract,
Crabtree had the best rookie WR season for the 49ers since Jerry Rice.
625 yards.
yes he would have been a better pick amongst others
but the situation dhb came in with our disfunction probably contributed to his results, russell, the posts and goes he was asked to run instead of more simple plays to help build his confidence. catching a football is alot about having confidence, and this kid never had that untill his lone td and then he was done, a good note to leave on.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Heyward-Bey
Ultimately, the guy couldn’t catch the ball. Sure, we can look at the dysfunctional franchise as a whole; however, the guy simply couldn’t catch the ball. It’s that simple. I’m not sure if catching a football is a lot about confidence. How about concentrating on the ball and bringing it in?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 28, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
A no brainer stud, maybe, but character questions?
Absofreakinlutely. I’ll say DHB comes out smelling like a rose two years from now. We’ll talk about Mike C., then, too.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Not the overall production. The yips, and the drops...
Just sayinng that the best of the best had struggles with catching the ball, and you factor in the dismal qb throwing to him, and it’s worse.
I’ll stop about DHB now, and look forward to him, as I said before , shutting haters TFU.
With production on the field. I’ll pass judgment when theres an adequate qb throwing to him.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
i hear you
Im just annoyed/frustrated etc that we wasted a number 7 pick on a ANOTHER guy we could have got later.
Crabtree is a stud, period. DHB is a project.
I dont see another 9 catch year for dhb, i think his production will increase. I dont see him surpassing murphy and/or schillens on the depth chart. I really like those 2. JLH is shit. Todd Watkins is shittier. DHB is shitiest. But time will tell if dhb develops. I kinda think he will at least be a contributor- the solid #3 on our team
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
I was soooooo pissed we passed Crabtee, and though Maclin would be our take
if Crabtree wasn’t there. When he was there, I got super excited! The twenty touchdowns, his experience in a pro style offense, and the tape of him attacking the football like a lion on its prey, had me seething for this guy.
Then, I saw tape of him interviewing, and heard that some guys I really trust were calling him a “diva” type, and actually heard that it was his dream to shop at Gucci, and that, my Raider brother, had me worried. I hear Ross Tucker comment, “I’d be worried if I heard any football player say that,” especially in an NFL interview with NFL execs and media everywhere? What was he thinking?
No doubt, he was the most NFL ready guy, but I also heard that Raider’s emphasis was on character guys, and all of the picks, whether huge reaches or not (I can’t deny; he’ll never live down the 7th overall thing) seemed to very much fit that mold.
Now, all I hear are good things about how hard he works from the guys I’ve come to trust in the league, and whom I find to be correct most of the time. The Pat Kirwans, the Mike Mayocks, Brian Baldinger, even some coaches like the Jaw. Sterling Sharpe. They all had serious criticisms of his play and the drops; they all had serious problems with the Raiders’ decision to keep him on the depth chart over guys like Higgins, Watkins, even Murphy and Schilens at times, and rightfully so—he hadn’t earned the right, and was never one of our best options; but, the reiterate, we all knew he was a developmental guy, and all had the same things to say: that if he keeps his nose to the grindstone, works hard and puts the time in like he’s been, he’ll be an elite number 1 someday.
Not my words originally, whatsoever. I tend to agree with what I have seen, and unlike any other 1st round receiver, he’s kept his mouth shut, and exhibits that Marvin Harrisonesque quality I mentioned previously of flying under the media radar, not responding to negative media or shifting blame. He’s a consummate teammate, congratulating Murphy and Schilens, even Watkins and JLH whenver possible. I just love this kid, and can’t wait for him to show his mettle, and that he deserves to be in this league.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
first post and a introduction
hi guys :)
just wanted to introduce myself and join in . that is if you’ll let a girl play along to ? ;) hahha
i’ve been posting over on the yahoo board but kinda tired of having to whip those fools into shape. hahha. anyways i think this is a good hire . and he cant realy be blamed for moving around , i mean it is the NFL after all . and i did like the artical , but jeez it almost started to sound like an AP printout with the speculation about coach cable . theres no doubt that he is our coach and we got ourselves an OC , next up is a GM and this off season is off to a good start . i was over looking the free agents that are going to be available and it looks like theres alot more realy good LB’s then off.linemen . just something to think about . no ? also . our D. was alot better than the STATS showed . i mean we pretty much held teams down or backed them up only to get in 3rd and for evers just to have them get a first down on us . pretty sure you knew if it was 3rd and say 15 or 20 theyd complete it . what im saying is we gave up more big plays then anyother team in the NFL . thats what killed us ! so with that said . it was so much our D.line it was our LB’s not protecting the middle of the field . how many times did you K.morrison run right into blockers ? so im thinking here boys { can i do that here } we look into the freeagent LB’s and draft for the O’line since freeagent of’linemen looks pretty shallow
welcome
i argree
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Although Morrison isn't too good at pass-coverate, I think you're passing over the DLs contribution
to those long 3rd down conversions that contributed heavily to our 11 loses. I don’t have the stats but roughly 55-60% of those long conversions were through the air. Our DL, especially DTs, has not provided much of a pass rush and because Kirk and Johnson / Routt are the weak links in our secondary, they suffered greatly from lack of pressure on the QB. Kelly, Warren and Dick are just not doing the job, especially on 3rd down passing situations (when, don’t forget, we have often fallen victim to the rush). So, by all means, let’s get Rolando to lead from the D’s-center but while we’re stacking the O-line for Russell’s last shot a playing NFL QB, keep in mind McClain can’t do it by himself and needs solid DTs in front of him.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
welcome
Nice a girl that is a Raider fan AND shares the same name as my daughter.
What a good sign this is.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 27, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
the eagles and baltimore games are great examples of morrisons lack of disipline in the middle
that being said rolando mcclain wouldn’t bother me at all in the first although i do believe you may be on to something with the subject of free agents and drafting o-line. especially if russell is to be our starter, barnes nneds to step up and play the right side or take hendersons job from him. no gimmies on the left side says i. a more dominant center would be nice also and replace green at guard. russell need more than average time to even have a shot at being sucessful.
just a little fun sarcasim here, but my guess is that you dont cook, great looks, actually watches and observes football, being a cook would just be too much to expect considdering your other intagables
by idahoaklandraider on Jan 27, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
We still don't know what an uncapped year will mean for FAs, too
which will drastically change the picture of free agency. Unless we lock up guys before the draft, this draft will be the all important one to address the key weaknesses and get some immediate impact players. We need at least three linemen to be immediate competition for starters, and solid depth for rotation and complements to the guys we have.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
oppps
btw , idk what happend to my pic. hahha , the foucus isnt supposed to be on my tits , hahah . i dont know how to fix it . any help here ?
Welcome, Kayla. The ladies perspective is always appreciated here!
Especially if you bring it with intelligent posts like your first one above. I think you’ll just have to retake the photo, unfortunately!
Read my profile. Before I found this blog, i was under the impression all blogs were full of trolls, and Raider haters… I haven’t been back to another one since…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
sliiiip
oops a littel drool on the keyboard i agree great pic sotrry for the pigishness
by idahoaklandraider on Jan 27, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
hahah
i grew up with 4 older brothers in the same house , i think i can handle it , hahha
but , no seriously . it wasnt my intent . hahha.
I think it was the intent of the camera, which is perfectly understandable.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 28, 2010 4:14 AM PST up reply actions
hahahaha
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
In that case
Can we get Kayla to take pictures of all the ladies (Athletics Nation and Bloody Elbow too)? I like her ‘eye’ for photography.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
+1
They always know when they do those things to us poor starving individuals.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 27, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
as I said, we love the ladies' perspective, do we not, gentlemen?
Them, ours? perhaps, not so much…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
This Means Russell Will Start...Again
You can see what Al Davis is doing…he hired someone who he thinks will help Russell reach the mythical but impossible plateau of greatness. Russell is a bust at quarterback, but I don’t think Al Davis wants to admit to that.
This hiring means only one thing…that Russell will be the starting quarterback again on Opening Day. And that means…more losing. Next year will be the eighth year in a row that the Raiders will lose at least 11 or more games, unless something changes, and I think everyone knows that change is something Al Davis doesn’t like.
ummmm no
i think what it means is that Al will throw everything possible at the guy and see if anything will work . like i said before ….. if you bought a 3mil dollar house and found out later that it had a rotted foundation wouldnt you try everything and anything you could before you just walked away from your investment ?
Al may make some crazy moves but he’s not stupid ! he see’s the same thing we all see and im pretty sure he has only one thing on his mind THE GREATNESS OF THE RAIDAS
he just wants to do it his way
as stated by otheres here . we can cut him right up to the very first game and it will only cost us 3mil. or keep him on the roster and it will be 10 mil. and trust this . everyone will know exactly where Russel is and how much work he’s put in during the off season by the end of pre-season next year
how will it cost us $3 million
to cut him would cost us $18 Million. See here.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
The fine print
states that if the Raiders cut him by a certain date, then he only gets 3 million more and that is all. THis contract is so horribly put together, AL, dude, really, lets step away from the negotiation table and let someone else handle this from here on out.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
That's my understanding, too. He gets $3, whether we cut him now
or let him play out the season. His chances of success are nil, so he won’t get a dime more.
I’d say it’d be worth and 18-20 million dollar hit. The guy is sucking the life out of this team.
I heard Pat Kirwan break down the situation, and he said Jamarcus would get a last chance from 9 out of 10 league owners and organizations, GM or not. Such is living with the mistake you make in the first place on a first round pick; all signs point to him quickly establishing himself as worthless again.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
He has his money
and that seems to be all he cares about. Too bad, really. People would kill for that talent, and this lame is just wasting it. If we cut him (and we won’t), he would catch on somewhere else.
It would be great if he would re-structure his deal, then sit behind someone for a few years, maybe Bruce G, or even Pennington? The Vince young treatment worked for him and Alex Smith. This just goes to show he is more interested in the cash than football.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
If we cut him (and we won’t), he would catch on somewhere else.
I don’t think so. I just don’t think he has what it takes to be a NFL QB. Not emotionally or mentally.
It would be great if he would re-structure his deal, then sit behind someone for a few years, maybe Bruce G, or even Pennington? The Vince young treatment worked for him and Alex Smith.
Well so far that’s worked remarkably well for Russell hasn’t it?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
cap hit
3 mil if we cut him outright
10 mil if he is on the roster (w/o a re-negotiated deal).
i believe that jr will re-negotiate that 10 mil and be back next year. No one will pay him 10m on the open market. I cant even see our myopic tyrant owner paying JR the 10m he is due on his current deal.
either way, i think 1 more year of Marc Wilson part deux.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jan 28, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hue Jackson, the Draft, Russell, and Cable
Almost always, offensive lineman don’t contribute much the first year – unless the guy is really a bluechip. I would expect the Raiders to pick up free agent offensive lineman, and hopefully draft a middle linebacker to help their run game. Al doesn’t draft linebackers normally as first-round picks, but maybe he will see the light (LOL). It’s pretty obvious that Cable will stay, and as far as what his function is, a head coach has coordinators to handle the area, but he does have input. It’s a more normal situation, and Cable is an excellent motivator, considering the Raiders didn’t mail it in this year. So Cable is going to be the glue, and the assistant coaches will be the pieces. That’s the way things should work; Cable may be on the clock, but he’s definitely not an afterthought.
by Richard_Bentley on Jan 27, 2010 8:12 AM PST reply actions
Anything is better than Cables play calling
We could hire a guy straight out of a bed and breakfast and he could figure out how to use this offense better. Well, maybe… Wait, we’ve tried that…
Let’s go Hue!!!! One step in the right direction, now lets get this draft right fellas!
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
The hiring of Jackson, though, reaffirms those people’s speculation of Russell being the starter for the upcoming season.
Not even Al Davis is crazy enough to force Cable and Jackson to start Russell at this point. All Davis has done is to bring in yet another person in attempts to get through to the kid and get him to perform at the level we all hoped he would.
Knowing how much Al Davis loves the Raiders, you can imagine he’s even more frustrated with Russell than we’ve been. He’s just not ready to throw in the towel on Russell yet.
I'm in the smallest of minorities, but I'm still a big supporter of JaMarcus Russell.
Russell
Whether or not Al is crazy enough to start JaMarcus is different than people speculating. I think it’s a reasonable thought. Davis brings in a successful quarterbacks coach and I think most people immediately think, “Well, Russell hasn’t lived up to his possible potential. This may be an attempt to save it.”
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 27, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I'm just glad Al feels the need to get an OC.
I’m hoping he gets a HC to go with him.
Cable should go back to coaching the O-Line, though he might be an undermining influence if they choose to start and develop Russell, in which case he may need to move on.
Don't believe Cable would undermine Russell (if that's even possible)
But being demoted from HC to O-L coach would be embarrassing. If it were to happen, no doubt Tom could present his demotion to the press as ‘moving in the right direction’, ‘showing improvement in career’, and ‘ready for the next step’ (which will be a difficult one), and so forth…
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 27, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
That O-Line had so many problems, that
we need someone to do an autopsy on what went wrong, and what we’re gonna do to get it back online. That right side needs to have a guard with the size, power, and smarts as John Jerry. He’s versatile enough to play tackle or guard, and could be an answer to a monster like Cody or Suh.
Cable’s capable of fixing things, though some of his assessments and faith in some of his linemen are suspect, as was his replacement calls for the injured (though last year he was wearing a lot of hats and could reasonably be given some slack).
If Al decides to put the full blame of the O-Line at Cable’s feet, then he’s gone.
is hackett gone, will he be retained as qb coach???
hiring jackson for oc could be a great move, not saying i’m convinced he is the greatest oc in the world, but to have a person responsible for game planning that isn’t also expected to answer for every aspect of the game as well can only help.
if russel were to be cut can anyone here say 100% what the cost would be, i too was under the impression that if he were cut before reg season it would only be three mill, and that his rouster bonus was about another three. i’m wondering how musch the guarentee on the rest of his contract would be, hell al has thrown away well over that on one player, although even for him it has to be getting old.
by idahoaklandraider on Jan 27, 2010 2:04 PM PST reply actions
i think its 50-50 for both hackett and tollner. hackett upset al at the end of the year so that not good.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 27, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
you'd go from having a dearth of play calling personnel type coaches
to having an oc who’s a qb specialist, a qb specialist who’s a qb specialist, and a passing game coordinator? Is the rb coach fired yet? What’s his name again, Skipper something. Oh, yeah Kelly Skipper. I keep wanting to call him Skipper Kelly. bottom line, he’s got 1 year experience as a rb coach, am I right? So, he’s still here, and Jackson, once a rb coach, while a forgettable one too, had a few individuals shine under his direction.
I guess, my point is, I’m as puzzled again as ever?!?! don’t get me wrong. I feel it’s good. One key thing I’ve wanted was for Tom to be relieved of his playcalling duties, by hiring an OC. Wish granted. I’ll quit my bitching now.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
That NFL rule about notifying assistant coaches by last Tuesday may indicate
Hackett, and the rest, are staying and we’ll only be adding. That means only Dwain Board was replaced with Mike Wauffle and that we’re keeping Jim Michalczik as O Line coach (even though Cable will work more there, and will keep Chris Morgan as Michalcik’s Assistant.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 5:52 AM PST up reply actions
Cable did not have the authority
Whether or not Davis still wants Russell as a starter is unclear to me since Davis is supposedly bringing back someone that benched "his guy.
Cable did not have the authority to bench Russell without Als blessing. So Al is really the one who benched “his guy” out of disgust probably
desperation
I think Cable pleaded and pleaded and Davis finally gave in desperate to win.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
or
Cable pleaded and pleaded, and finally started shedding fluids, and this is Davis gave up
by Spirals galore on Jan 28, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
More likely, Al was hoping that Russell "broke through" during all those weeks but
waited until Cable came to him. Cable could have come to Al sooner and Al would have “blessed” the benching that much earlier. But Tom, with soiled pants from his own urine and feces, worked up his courage and went in finally only to find a more than reasonable Owner/Gm who simply and calmly said to him, “You are the coach.”
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 28, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hue Jackson
I feel that adding him is great addition to this Raiders staff. Especially someone to work directly with JaMarcus and holding him accountable. Plus Hue worked in Atlanta with Vick, we could sign Vick to be used as a mentor for JaMarcus and if there is no improvement from him we put Vick as our starter. Personally I think Vick will look good in Silver and Black, what do you think?
Vick
He’s better than Russell, so yeah, I’m for it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 28, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
First Rated R you have to realize.......
There is NO way in Hell that Tom,the Cable guy benched JA3andout Russell without Mr. Davis’s OK. I’ve watched this Team for 43 years now and senile or not , Davis ok’s EVERYTHING. You are right on target with McFadden and Bush not being used correctly,this has to change and with the new guy calling the plays probobly will (THANK GOD)!! I don’t think Cable will lose his job,as no credible canidate would pursue the Raider’s Coaching position. A last chance for JA3andout? I can only say that I hope not. This year showed where his heart is (with the almighty dollar), and who needs a guy that blames his own faults on his piers? No fourth chance for this f ’ in BUM! Take your ski cap and go home JA3andout! Raider Nation now has it’s own Ryan Leaf, How embarassing to be on an even keel with the San Diego Chokers, ahhh , Chargers !!! Gradkowski’s work ethic DWARF’S even your best effort to get to a Burger King that closes at midnight!! WE NEED A GENERAL MANAGER WITH AUTHORITY!!!! Buena suerte Raider Nation. Yo soy enfermo.
What it comes down to is...
60 year old dudes Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett were unable to get through to JaMarcus or design a system for him that he could adapt to. Personally, I think both of those guys are great coaches but not the right fit for the personnel we have. Hue Jackson makes good sense because first of all, he has a much more player oriented personality. he was a QB himself. I think he’ll make good changes. Whether the players respond to the extent we need will be the big question, especially in training camp.
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