Players Want To Keep Cable; Schilens on Russell; and Other Tid Bits; and Some Opinions
by mikesd1981 on Jan 4, 2010 5:15 AM PST
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Nnamdi Asomugha and other team captains want Tom Cable to stay. Russell says he should too. If Davis makes a move, though, he can expect to hear a protest from plenty of players. Put Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha at the front of that line:
"My two cents is definitely that continuity is big," said Asomugha, a seventh-year player who hasn't had the same coach for more than two years. "If it turns out it is something that we're talking about, I'm sure that myself and other captains on the team will speak up on Tom's behalf."
While I'm sure that makes Cable feel all warm and fuzzy, it's simply not enough. I supported him and wanted to give the man a chance, but after the Cleveland game, I just can't. The inconsistent play calling, the under utilization of Michael Bush, the incorrect utilization of McFadden, the whole Russell debacle and benching him so late in the season. It's just too much to forgive. If the players get their way and he stays, then we must hire an OC. And not some clown from a no name college or some bed and breakfast owner. A real OC that knows the game and knows how to utilize personnel correctly. Charlie Weis? Maybe. Gilbride from the Giants? Possibly. I suspect NY may be cleaning house after this season. If Cable does get fired we need a HC that has some ability and experience. We also need a GM so the coach can actually coach. I've stated in comments before that circumstantial evidence points to the fact that Al Davis does interfere. Jon Gruden left and went to TB and beat us in a super bowl. 5 out of his 7 years there were winning seasons. Bill Callhan, while a bad head coach, was a great offense coordinator. He went on the Huskies and went to 2 back to back bowl games, winning 1. Now he's Assistant Head Coach and O-line coach at the Jets. Norv Turner, who was starting here with a team in complete disarray went on to the 9ers as a OC and dominated. Then he went to San Diego. His first year I thought was a fluke and he was riding the coat tails of his predecessor. The next year he went 8 and 8. Now he's 13 and 3 there and the team is a serious contender. Art shell is an exception. That was just bad. Really bad. Then Kiffin, who probably should have kept his mouth shut a little more, both in Oakland and now,, is taking the Vols to a bowl game. I just find it interesting how coaches that leave here are excelling in their current jobs.
When asked to assess JaMarcus Russell's performance, Chaz Schilens had this to say:
"Ummm ... no comment."
That silence speaks even more loudly than the boos from the fans. Schilens had just got done praising Frye:
"He was getting drilled, but he was getting the ball off and trusting his receivers," Schilens said.
"He played great. I wish it could have been different. I wish he could have stayed healthy and stayed in there."
When Russell tried to explain the fumble play (read slowly, it's gonna hurt)
"At last minute, getting ready to throw it to a back, and guy came from behind," Russell said, trying to explain the play.
"It was shaky, shaky," Russell said of his performance this year. "At times, it was like we were on a roller coaster. Once you go up, you go down, you go up, go down, same thing."
What's so irritating about JaMarcus is he shows these beautiful sparks of potential, but they turn into a fire. I know he has a cannon arm and thrust the ball down field, but a tank has a cannon too and if you let it fire willey nilley it's useless. That's the problem JaMarcus thinks he's doing fine.
In this creatvie article by Cohn Zohn where Russell is compared to a banana, a potato chip, a french fry, and rock, it's stating that's it's not too early to write Russell for the 2010 season. A quote by Tom Flores in this article about the fumble:
“His time clock just doesn’t go off in his head. He’s got to get rid of the ball.”
It is an interesting article actually, but creative. He sums Russell up pretty good:
He looked good for a few minutes. He is a few-minutes quarterback.
It is my opinion if Cable is to stay we need a real OC. It is also my opinion that we need a GM. Al meddles too much. This gets eluded by some of his comments along the lines of getting the coaches this talent, they have to use them. That leads me to believe the coach doesn't really have much say in the draft. I also don't believe the coach has much as in his assistants.
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Nice Post
I agree and think Gilbride would be an AWESOME fit as OC in OAK next year. He knows how to play smash mouth football and the importance of a run game offset with a good passing attack. Plus he would have to figure that if he can turn around the “PATHETIC” offense in OAK he would be in line for a HC job elsewhere, or if Cable stumbles early promoted to HC here.
IMO much better fit for “Al’s offense” than Charlie Weis.
Gilbride's
head coach credentials aren’t impressive. 1.5 seasons @ SD. that’s it.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
yeah, but he said as OC. I agree with him on that front. But who would be head coach then?
I don’t like Charlie Weis. Great with the Pats, but I don’t want a coach that looks like he could eat the other team’s coach.
My brother was telling me the other day that those guys will never be winning coaches. I pointed out that Andy Reid, and guys like John Madden boasted some of the winningest percentages among history, and he replied that those guys are solid fat (comparing them to a fellow friend, fat but a fellow high school wrestler and mma athlete, just never looked like it). Lmfao!
I agree though. Cable was lineman fat, which is cool. I don’t want a Rex Ryan or Charlie Weis type guy. I think Weis will only have success under a coach like Belichick, in a very disciplined organization. Could be a disaster here, unless we got the perfect guy to be HC and they complemented each other to the T.
Shill's "No Comment" Speaks volumes on the team opinion of JR
You could see it when he came off the field. teammates didnt try to get him motivated. They went there way and let him go his. They don’t respect the guy and ultimately they will never win with him because of that.
Huge Mutiny if Davis fires Cable and goes for Project Russell for another year
If Al Davis took a poll of all the players of who they’d like to see be the starting QB for the Raiders for the 2010 season, the only players who would likely vote for JaMarcus Russell would be Russell himself and maybe Mario Henderson, who’s always supported Russell with the media.
If Russell is penciled in as the starter by Davis rather than being forced to compete for it and winning his teammates over again, everyone will abandon ship, and most games will look like the second half against the Redskins.
Unfortunately, right now I feel as though a Raider team under Cable and with Gradkowski is only able to produce 6 – 8 wins. A small improvement, but the ceiling is so low for a team like that.
I'm in the smallest of minorities, but I'm still a big supporter of JaMarcus Russell.
ktvu just said that
their getting ready to fire cable……..i just hope if they do they fire russell also. it would be good to have some stability at the head coach but cable wasnt doing it. at least not while calling the plays also. need a oc to call the plays if he sticks around. like mike said after watching the cleveland game i cant support cable anymore. if its 1st and goal on the 3 and you have a back avg 5 yards per carry………run
I think all the recent reports are based on the Mercury News article,
which quotes anonymous sources from the Raiders organization. Lots of speculation at this point.
by Spirals galore on Jan 4, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
yup
that’s why I didn’t post it. I wanted to post articles w/ quotes from live people.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Sooo....
…cud we get Gilbride for OC and hire Tom Flores as GM? If Al can’t trust Tom Flores, who can he trust?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I dream of getting a Raider great like him, who in my mind is an HOFer too
and furthermore, who else would Al respect and consult, but an all-time guy, and a proven winner as coach, player, and assistant.
Great post, btw, MIke
Great quotes, dude! That one from Schilens says it all.
How is it that Jamarcus’s make me want to vomit, shit my pants, and punch babies at the same time? Man is it painful to read that mess.
gonna read that article now…
I'd be all for keeping Cable...
…if I could be assured a real offensive co-ordinator would come in to run things.
Other than that, meh. I know people talk about stability, but with Al at the helm there will never be stability.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
Hackett is a REAL O COORD.
keep cable(gag, but for consistancy) and let hackett have a crack at some plays, bruce and chuck frye #1 and 2 qbs, and make it a mission to upgrade the Oline from draft to free agency. keep Langston and kick him back to tackle, dump the ZBS and go back to power and draft a stud OT. pay lofa tatupa to come play middle backer and get aluala in the second round for your DT needs. stupidest fuckin move last year was not getting rey melaluga with our mlb issues for the last 5 years, but ohwell.
Malaluga was gone before we picked in 2nd
but would have been better at #7 then DHB
thats what i was meaning
rey in the first, and if al wanted dhb do bad he would have been there in the 2nd for him, even though he was a 1st round projection, but so was rey.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 5, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
are you sure
i thought DHB was projected as a late 1st rounder. didnt the giants say they were gonna take him in the 1st?
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Hackett is a worse playcaller than Cable...
Look up his offenses when he coached the Queefs…terrible!!!
If we’re trying to polynesian players…get Haloti Ngata as the nose, switch to a 3-4 with Seymour and Shaughnessy as the ends, Scott and Howard as the OLBs Morrison as the Will McClain from Bama as the Sam backers….that front seven almost makes me blush.
by transparent58 on Jan 13, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
If we could get both McClain and Ngata
we then focus immediately and steadfastly on OTs and Guards.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 13, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
its gonna be
an interesting off season to see what Al thinks of these last 7 years. i think we will see how much he really cares about his beloved raiders by his decisions this off season. i pray he has taken a good look at what we all have been begging for and does the right things!
I thought..
I was the only one who liked Lane Kiffin..If he was here now, With Bruce and Louis and all this talent..Things would be alot different..But, He was too hard harded and bumped heads with someone with a craniuim that can dent a Mack Truck..Al Davis
Thats what she said
Good Call
It looks like NY fired DC Bill Sheridian…Is this the begining of the House Cleaning for NY
Thats what she said
it's possible.
Like I’ve said before I’d be open to Gilbride for OC but not HC. He knows Davis well apparently, also. But I don’t think NY will be letting him go.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Buffalo and Chicago and Tampa
Buffalo fired EVERYONE..And Chicago kept Lovie, But he is suggesting new staff..So maybe their OC will be available.I do not know who that is though..And Tampa Bay kept Raheem Morris, I like this guy, So I was kinda upset when I saw this
Thats what she said
Chicago fired 6 offensive coaches
including the OC
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
imagine if kiffin
would of kept his mouth shout. our offense jumped up like 120 points in his first year, and the possibility of getting his dad here. damn that might have been great.
Cable is a joke
Cable says we got better. Some simple stats to help you decide.
(2008) 5 wins to (2009) 5 wins.
But thats not proof enough for me. I wanted to see if we we’re in more games than the year before and I figured being within 10 pts is a good measuring stick win or lose (losing by 10 is usually a winable game) and this is what I found out. Identical results.
In 2008 we we’re within 10 pts in 9 games and we won 5 of those games. In 2009 we we’re within 10 pts in 9 games and we won 5 of those games.
lets compare are scoring. Points allowed and Points against comparisons.
(2008) 263 points scored to 388 points allowed – (2009) 197 points scored to 379 points allowed.
The year to year comparisons are simple, we did not improve.
Another thing. Lets say Jamarcus doesnt study film, doesnt want to get in shape and doesnt go to meetings. Sure the player should shoulder responsilbility, but shouldnt the coach do whatever necessary to make him do all these things? Whether its by trying to inspire him to do so or even try to force him to do so or be fined some of that money he has? The Quarterback is an important position on the team, why didnt he make Russell do more? Pick him up and take him to practice early and work on his mechanics, make him stay late and go over film, give him homework every night to learn the playbook. whatever it takes. Take more time with him,, a good manager does this with an employee that is struggling.
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nice work
Whatever happens with him, he must never again touch the plastic play card
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
why should he take russell to work?
this is the nfl not pop warner. if im getting paid any amount and am counted on, i show up early on my own. in the pros you dont need a motivater, you should already be motivated to plaa dream sport. if you dont have that than guess what, you fail at your job!
as far as the team getting better, im with you. i seen the total points and we got worse, but russell was part of it. they say we beat better teams in philly,cinncy,pitt,den. well last year we beat den(8-8), a good jets team(that fell apart,9-7) the same ol chiefs of present, a good houston team(8-8) and a good tampa(9-7) pretty much the same as this year, we beat a few quality playoff potential teams, not more and not less.
by rodeosnake12 on Jan 5, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
did you omit the records of the teams we beat in 2009 on purpose?
Philadelphia and Cincinnati are much better than anyone we beat in 08. Beating Pittsburgh AT pittsburgh and denver AT denver were also much better than any win in 08 too, xcept for perhaps Tampa and maybe the jets..
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Keep Cable just Focus on getting him what he needs!!!! ITS SIMPLE AL!!!
No matter who we get player wise if they have to learn a new coach over again its going to be a team of rookies again. The player obviously like The Teddy Bear so keep him and get him help where he needs it.
OC- because playcalling and player usage not his best point. Let him be the head coach and build the OL which is what he knows.
OL- Get him an OL he can mold. Two veterans good free agents out there this year and two decent rookies (1st and 2nd round) minimum.
MLB- Throw money here al because I know you wanna thow it. Have some good free agents this year also.
NT- Get a big boy TaNOW
CB- Rout and Johnson need to go somewhere just now starting on the field opposite Nnamdi.
QB- I think we have what we need grad and frye are a respectable 1 and 2 guy they proved that to me. Bring in Tavarus Jackson and let them compete Tavarus has been able to sit back and watch two QB’s produce and I am sure he is hungry to play again (Vince Young perfect example)
Russell do whatever just dont hit the field
plus im sure hackett has tried all of your above.
he has worked with montana, helped both grbac and bono to pro bowl births, gannon, pennington, garcia. im sure he knows a good product from a bad one, and has givin russell every chance to succed, and russell failed not the coach. both grad and frye got better, why not russell?
true
but couldnt he put a sandwich on the tread mill to make him run atleast? or have him do laps at practice to lose the gut?
You can only help a person so much
but if they don’t want to work for it, they won’t.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
dubzero23 proposes, Al disposes
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 6, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Keep Cable
Have Russell eat until he could play OG…he could use his hands to smack the d-linemen in the face while they run over him. Now that’s power blocking! (Note dripping sarcasm)
Touchdown, Ronnie Brown Edition!
Great Post
All we can do know is wait and see. tick tock, tick tock
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