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Hiring Mike Leach Only Makes Sense If...

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Mike Leach went 84-43 in his 10 seasons as head coach at Texas Tech. [via media.nj.com]

Let's face it: Mike Leach is the most talked about coaching candidate on the market when it comes to our Oakland Raiders. I'm sure you've all heard about the allegations surrounding him and his extermination at the Texas Tech University, a program he turned around from "laughing stack status" to a Big 12 contender. I will not bore you with what went on concerning Adam James and his alleged mistreatment; however, I do believe Leach is innocent but that's something for another day. Another thing I'm sure about is that all of you have thought about hiring Mike Leach at or one spot or another within our, say, anemic coaching staff. I'm here to explore the possibilities.

Hit the jump to read on and then cast a vote on the poll.

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Before we go forward with the actual conundrum, let's a take step back really quickly to revisit the dead horse that's still kicking a little: Tom Cable's job.

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Tom Cable's days could very well be numbered. [via i.cdn.turner.com]

The most obvious position for Mike Leach seems to be head coach. That's easy. Tom Cable is just 9-19 in one-plus season at the helm. His play-calling, quite frankly, sucks. We all agree on that. What we don't agree on, however, is whether or not Cable should stick around. With those arguments against him, why should he come back? The players love to play for Cable. They really do play hard for him and some have gone on record -- including our best player Nnamdi Asomugha -- saying that they want him back next season. There are a few other arguments in favor of Cable such as the whole continuity thing and the fact that it's not all his fault. This team tied their best record since the 2002 season and if Bruce Gradkowski doesn't get hurt or if JaMarcus Russell is benched sooner, we could be something like 7-9 instead of 5-11. Again, it's not really Tom Cable's fault despite the play-calling. His hands were tied due to Al Davis' love affair with that guy that's in Las Vegas right now instead of team meetings. Basically, I'm saying keep Tom Cable. Well, if Cable is the head coach, where does Leach fit into this? I'm sure you already know where I'm going with this.

No, hiring Mike Leach doesn't only make sense if he's the offensive coordinator instead of the head coach. No, hiring Mike Leach doesn't only make sense if he's the head coach instead of the offensive coordinator. You're probably asking yourself, "Rated-R, if not, what's the only sensible hiring of this closet-locking beast?" Hiring Mike Leach only makes sense if Al Davis mails it in and lets him institute his highly successful spread offense. We don't know if Leach can run a conventional offense. Heck, I don't even want to find out if he can. Let him do what he's good at.

Earlier in the post before the jump, I talked about Mike Leach's success at Texas Tech University. For the sake of me bragging about his spread offense credentials, here's just a snippet of background information. He coached there for 10 seasons. In seven seasons, Texas Tech finished in the upper echelon. His record in his last seven bowl games was an impressive 5-2. While at Texas Tech, he broke more than 150 NCAA, Big 12 and school records. While being an offensive coordinator the University of Kentucky in the rugged SEC, he toppled 116 school records along with 46 SEC records.

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Tim Tebow is arguably the greatest college football player ever. [via ponderingsfrompluto.files.wordpress.com]

I made my case for the spread offense over a month ago. I still stand by that idea. Now, a guy that had tremendous offensive success with that system is available. Interestingly enough, a certain quarterback that used to play for the University of Florida under a spread offense is available in this year's draft. Tim Tebow, another person that had tremendous success in the spread offense, could be added to fit a big part of the puzzle. You all know that he was amazing at the college level and yet, has lukewarm draft status at best. I wouldn't draft him to run a conventional offense, but I'd sure as hell draft him to run a spread offense under the tutelage of Mike Leach. Tebow would then reunite with current Raiders wide receiver Louis Murphy, a person he had success with running the spread offense back at Florida. Mike Leach knows how to utilize talent, so running back Darren McFadden can finally not rot away. Johnnie Lee Higgins, even if he isn't exactly a great one, brings the speed element to the system with his bands being better than Darrius Heyward-Bey. The possession receiver would be Chaz Schilens, quite possibly Tebow's Riley Cooper. Tebow loves throwing to his tight end Aaron Hernandez, something he can do here in Oakland with the reliable Zach Miller.

Sure, maybe I'm dreaming. Maybe I'm too hopeful. I know that this scenario won't play out even though it easily could be transpiring right now. Go for broke, Al, go for broke! What do we have to do lose? At least this time, we can say that we honestly tried to put a winner on the field.

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Only if we picked up

Brandon Marshall as a free agent.

Otherwise, Marshall might be a victim of Mr. Questionable Hands.

by xville on Jan 5, 2010 10:05 PM PST reply actions  

That is to say,

Leach may be a victim of some Questionable hands.

by xville on Jan 5, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

that was like a whole epiphany of a thought

all rolled up into one.
Shit I’m sold!!!!
Where do I sign up!!!!
I’m on board RRS!!!!
Bonus dream………Hire Jon Gruden as the GM.

Does that not just blow your mind!!!!

by iBleedSnB on Jan 5, 2010 10:50 PM PST reply actions  

A no vote for me

I’m not a fan of the spread offense. You’re already seeing teams figure out how to stop it in college so I have a hard time believing it would work long term in the NFL.

As far as Tim Tebow uh….no thanks on that as well. It’s quite possible I’ll be wrong here but I don’t see him working out in the NFL.

by sirbed on Jan 5, 2010 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

College teams firguring out how to stop it?

Texas Tech’s NCAA Division 1-A / FBS Passing Offense Ranking During Leach’s Tenure:

2000 11th
2001 5th
2002 1st
2003 1st
2005 1st
2005 1st
2006 1st
2007 3rd
2008 1st
2009 1st (platooned three quarterbacks).

Tebow is not NFL material though.

by hydrofarmer on Jan 7, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Why?

Has anyone really given it a fair shake?

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 7, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Some nfl teams run the spread but

only in some packages teams like Patriots, Steelers Saints. These teams are highly successful and have stabilty in their franchises. We on the other hand dont have the same talent at positions like QB, WR, OL like these teams do. All of these teams have pretty good to great WR and they have the best at the QB position. If u wanna run a “spread” offense i would do some plays or packages but not the scheme of our offense. But seriously i think we shouldnt even bother with the spread. Honestly we have some talent but i dont think we can pull off a full on spread offense. Thats not gonna work with the speed, smarts(D coords.) and our Oline in the NFL

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 7, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit, I'll take a quick fix
I have a hard time believing it would work long term in the NFL.

over 7 more stale years.
You can’t tell me just one quick Super Bowl win over the Niners next year wouldn’t be worth 7 more shitty years? Come on let’s just do it!!!!

by iBleedSnB on Jan 5, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions  

Choirboy in Silver & Black?

“Child Please!”

Tebow wouldn’t fit in as a Raider; and Leach’s spread offense doesn’t involve the QB doing much running, much less spread option, which is still Tebow’s signature. I just can’t see Tebow excelling as a straight-up gunslinger in Leach’s scheme.

Gruden as GM? In all of our dreams…

When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...

by Nonchalant on Jan 5, 2010 11:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

first off

Welcome to Silver & Black Pride and thank you for your service overseas.

Jon “Chucky” Gruden as our GM………that is the kind of thing you see in our wet dreams!!!!

But I would have to agree that Tebow and that style of offense just isn’t our cup of tea and I don’t know if it would fit.
Just the way RRS had it all wrapped up and with a really shiny red bow on the top had me believing!

by iBleedSnB on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...

…for the props and let me also give RRS props for a nice post.

I think Gradkowski and Frye will do just fine slinging rock as our #s 1 and 2 at QB. I’m not convinced Losman is any answer for us at QB. Buffalo’s line is better and Losman was very much ineffective.

I disagree with you about the scheme. If the front office builds a serivceable OL around Grad and Chuck, a pass-heavy spread can work. That’s how we got to the Super Bowl when Callahan dumped Chucky’s PTR offense for essentially a spread offense with an inferior set of receivers (we had no deep threats back then). The young cats we have now (outside of Darius Heyward-BOINK…off the helmet) are hungry and capable. Chop Walker and DHB, pick up some vet leadership at receiver and we’re set (at least, on the offensive side).

When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...

by Nonchalant on Jan 6, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

on your losman thought,

i too dont know if hes the answer, but buffs line better? in his only full year as a starter that “better” line allowed 47 sacks on him and they ranked 27 in rushing yards, not a good line at all. while behind this line, losman completed 62.5% for 3051 yards and 19 tds to a high 14 picks. he also ran for 3.7 ypr, not to ineffective for one of the leagues worst olines.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Ill be honest

When you first suggested this, I thought you were a fool for having such an Idea with a player like Michael Bush on the team..But, For some reason, It all makes sense now. ..Tim Tebow can easily fall into the 2nd Rd. And if Leach can use Bush proprely also..(10-15 Carries is all he needs to get 100+) Then we have success

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 6, 2010 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

yea those 10 carries

against balt were close to the 100 yd mark.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

LMAO! 10 car for 18 yards!

Yea i think u need to stop dreaming fellas. This is a nice article and all but with our Oline Tebow wont get far. And installing a proper spread offense would take years. I think we have a better chance of running a west coast with Grad and cable as our coach

Al Davis doesnt sleep...he waits

by singh_is_king on Jan 7, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, you're probably right...

…so we’ll still be garbage next year with no running game and Grad/Frye being punished nearly every time they drop back. Purest madness. How depressing.

When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...

by Nonchalant on Jan 6, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

we have a running game if we start bush, but it is never utilized

"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches

by AkaP on Jan 6, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

However...

…if he let Callahan take us to the Super Bowl with it, why not Leach???

When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...

by Nonchalant on Jan 6, 2010 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Callahan's offense was much more a hybrid version of the west coast for us

Utilizing the dink a dunk game, with Gannon and Garner being almost unstoppable in it, utilizing the short pass like a run, alternating from scat back to tight end to receiver, distributing the ball to everyone without locking onto a single target.

I’m noticing a trend here, of many of us being enamored by what seems like the answer to our problems: a potent offensive scheme and team with some proven success running it.

KA1Z3R points out that the ridiculous numbers, and even the record of success in wins, can best be explained by the mediocre defensive talent Texas Tech faces most weeks in teams like Citadel. Once again, point spreads exceeding 50. Not in the NFL.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 6, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

i voted no for leach but after readin of gettin tebow and utilizing what we have it made sense.however i would like to see the raiders return to greatness as the raiders not a nfc type spread offense. again however i dont want to stick with als ideas of football but just give bush carries a new qb give mcfadden touches and improve the dfense easy said but another words stick to smashmouth football!

by 21shtdowndosuno on Jan 6, 2010 1:01 AM PST reply actions  

interesting points

As far as Mike Leach i have always loved his coaching style, his spread is one of the most high powered offenses in college football year after year. however the spread doesnt usually work well in the nfl. the problem is that the spread tries to create mismatches, it tries to get recievers open so that they can make one on one plays against corners in the open field. in the nfl everyone is fast, corners are rarely out of position and they can all make solo tackles. with that being said if we had a capable quarterback i think our offense would be one of the best spread teams in the nfl. all of our recievers are very fast and big. if we go 4 or 5 wide corners are going to have a tough time making plays on them all game our speed would just be too much. i dont think our current qb’s would be able to run the spread effectively bruce doesnt have the arm strenght and i cant see him taking 40 passing attempts per game. we would also need a tackle since Cornell Green is horrific at pass blocking. honestly why not give it a chance its not like our offense can get any worse then it is right now. draft sam bradford and lets make it happen.

as far as mike leach goes i cant see him and al coexisting for very long even if we are winning, mike is a weird dude and has a hard time getting along with the higher powers, i dont think he would take kindly to al telling him what to do.

by mekanikal on Jan 6, 2010 3:06 AM PST reply actions  

oh yah and i forgot

another reason why the spread isnt used much in the nfl unless you have a very good O line like the patriots have always had is that the quarterback gets hit a lot! maybe with all these new rediculous rules about protecting the quarterback it would be ok, but a quarterback taking a hit in the nfl is waaaaaaaaaaay different then taking a hit in college. there arent many nfl quarterbacks that can take shot after shot and still be good or have the confidence to step up in the pocket and throw down the field, taking all those hits basically ruined the bright young futures of David Carr, and Joey Harrington. Basically if you dont have a damn good O line you better not run it in the nfl our your quarterback wont last long.

by mekanikal on Jan 6, 2010 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup, ask Joe Theismann about that

And as long as you mention the Pats, that spread formation and majority pass offense won’t work missing the serial killer, Wes Welker. Will be interesting to see if Edelman can step up and do a little of what Wes does every week, which is get the snott knocked out of him while catching yet another ball, over the middle, for another Pat’s first down.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 6, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Leach maybe, no way on Tebow.

I can see Davis bringing in Leach but not Tebow. In order to run the spread offense you have to have a strong armed QB, Davis is thinking he has one in Russell, and thinks Russell can thrive in leaches system. Thing is, in order to thrive in leaches system you have to get rid of the ball quickly most of the time and be able to read the field and that’s Russell’s weakness, he can’t do either one.

In other words, Davis would bring in Leach to save Russell from being a bust, but what is the chances of that happening unless the Raiders improve the Offensive line to be one of the best in the NFL and give Russell more time to find the WR’s instead of Russell laying on his backside the whole game. Sure Russell has the arm to play in the spread offense but that’s about it.

If Davis dose hirer leach you can bet Russell will be back next year as the starter, or until leach puts him in the electrical shed with a bag of popcorn just like Cable did. By that time the Raiders playoff hopes will be shattered again, just like this year.

by Autumn wind 80 on Jan 6, 2010 7:05 AM PST reply actions  

Dear god not Tim Tebow or Mike Leach

Tim Tebow wasn’t that great of a QB in college. Tebow’s numbers were greatly inflated by playing against teams like Citadel and Florida International. Tebow was a runner, not a QB. He makes a lot of bad throws and has trouble viewing the whole field. He was a superior player against inferior talent, and when he faced real teams he often had to have his defense or plays by Percy Harvin in the run game bail him out.

This year, Tebow had a lot of bad games and was lucky his defense was there to bail him out.

And to the spread, it just doesn’t work in the NFL. It’s been tried before with little success except in small bursts. It can’t be a primary package and especially not with the way this team is built. If this was New England or Indianapolis then I think it’d work for them. But for a team that needs to get its running game going to be successful, it won’t work.

First off, you starting in shotgun most of the time and it’s already hard enough to have successful runs from the shotgun. You also usually have extra receivers which means less capable blockers for the running back.

Secondly, our current offensive line is no where near good enough for this team to become a pass-heavy spread team. You’d have Grad, or Russell, or god forbid Tebow on a cart out of here within 3 weeks.

Now if we can get the line built up a bit, I’d be fine if we ran spread, but only in small bursts. For 10 plays or so a game, I think the spread would be nice because of our running backs’ abilities as receivers. It could also keep McFadden relevant on this offense by putting him at receiver in the spread.

But Leach lives and dies by the spread and would be using it nonstop. We’d go from Cable’s occasional 40 pass play games to that being a regular thing. If you were criticizing Cable for his playcalling, I’d love to hear what everyone thinks of Leach after a few weeks. This isn’t Texas Tech, we don’t have the receiver, offensive line, or QB talent to become a spread team. And since the spread basically means throwing the running game away all together, that would be a severe misuse of talent far worse than anything Cable did.

This league is slowly and dreadfully so, becoming a pass first league. But the run game is still very much needed, especially for a team like Oakland.

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by KA1Z3R on Jan 6, 2010 7:22 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe
This isn’t Texas Tech, we don’t have the receiver, offensive line, or QB talent to become a spread team. And since the spread basically means throwing the running game away all together, that would be a severe misuse of talent far worse than anything Cable did.

you shoulda drafted Michael Crabtree!!! LOL!!!

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Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Jan 6, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

No on Tebow, Leach, or the spread

Just about all the succesful teams in the league use some variation of the spread and 21 personnel, and pass to set up the run these days, but no successful team can implement it and run it exclusively, and as you very accurately pointed out, K, that we completely lack the personnel right now.

Tebow’s skills are exactly the type one should shy away from in the pro game; a highly successful and potent offense in college against impotent defenses with 50 point spreads. Though he has some skills to be developed at the next level, he does not fit into the Oakland system, not in skill set, nor persona.

In fact, no qb in this year’s draft class stands out as a shoo-in in the pros; most raise huge questions as to whether they’ll be successful at all.

The right plan is to bolster the offensive line, the defensive middle, cut Jamarcus Russell, and hire an OC that complements the team Cable is building and utilizes our personnel to our strength. It’s easy to forget, that our current team, despite having lackluster, even substandard performances from the O line, still had some success with just a little help from qb and the passing game. And that was with Tom Cable calling plays…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 6, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

plus teabow had

a few concussions this year against college hitters, imagine whats gonna happen in the pros. another wasted 30 mill. in street clothes on our sideline with a clipboard.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Tebow
Tim Tebow wasn’t that great of a QB in college. Tebow’s numbers were greatly inflated by playing against teams like Citadel and Florida International.

He played in the SEC. In his 13-game or 14-game seasons, he plays those teams three times a year. In all of those other games, he plays against stiff SEC competition.

Sure, Tebow had a few bad games. He didn’t have a lot of bad games. Not counting the three games against Charleston Southern, Troy and Florida International, Tebow completed at least 65 percent of his passes in six of those ten games not counting the Sugar Bowl in which he shredded Cincinnati. In one game, he was injured but still had two touchdowns in the first half. In the other three, he was 20-for-35 against a great defense in Alabama, 14-for-25 against South Carolina and just sucked against Mississippi State. He didn’t have a lot of bad games. He had one or two.

He was a superior player against inferior talent, and when he faced real teams he often had to have his defense or plays by Percy Harvin in the run game bail him out.

SEC talent isn’t “inferior” talent. Every one of those guys atop the draft boards played bad teams like Charleston Southern and Florida International. I’m also sure Tebow had nothing to do with Percy Harvin getting the ball.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

sure tebow will be as good as charlie ward

danny wuerful tommie frazier and all the other great college players that have gone to the pros and have sucked hes a tight end like zach miller in jax and thats all

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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 6, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Fail

How do you even see similarities? You’re reaching. Tebow was at a different level compared to those guys.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 6, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

 chris weinke was considered the best college player ever when he entered the draft and was at total bust just like tebow …but if u think he can fix his mechanics both footwork and throwing and pick up the nuances of a pro style offense icluding the proggressions and reading coverages all while adjusting to the speed of the game …cool… but im sure no GM is gonna stake their career on it

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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 6, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Great

First of all, Weinke didn’t win the Heisman as a sophomore and that dude was drafted in 2001 despite being born way back in 1972, so how old does that make him as a rookie?

If you had read my post, you would have figured out that I said nothing about Tebow having to run a pro style offense. No general manager may stake their career on it, but that really has nothing to do with it.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 6, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

weinke a "total bust"?

Hey, hey watch it, now, buddy! Chris Weinke was a gi-normous bust, but in no way shape or form was he a total bust! Damn near, though. ;)

by hydrofarmer on Jan 7, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Leach is not the answer!

name a coach that was able to transition from college to pro and be highly successful. at this moment, i cant think of one. id rather stick with cable because no one with the right mind wants to be under Al Davis’s thumb! other then Gruden, the last coach to have success under Al was Art Shell… I voted against Leach… i think it isnt a good idea at all.

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Jan 6, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

jimmy johnson

is really the only one, i mean switzer took over johnson’s rebuilt vet. team and won another ring, but ncaa to nfl doesnt work. pro players like being treated like pros(some need to be treated like kids still) not kids, and thats the problem. in college your teaching, in the pros your coaching, and leach is known to say some shit(fat little girlfiends) that might work in college but what would ellis or seymour say…?

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

You make a case...

but the spread offense doesn’t work well In the NFL. Plus the line up is not put together for that. It does sound enticing, but Old Al will not try anything different. It will be another “yes man” at the helm (Randy Hanson), and another year of Jafatass Fumble behind center.

Lets not fool ourselves, Al Davis is still in charge, so we are stuck with an over sized QB, WR’s that can run like hell but can’t catch, Lines that cannot block, and an out dated Lombardi style man to man defense.

I drive past that billboard every day…

We are doomed…

by Kwester421 on Jan 6, 2010 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

al davis

its a bit harsh but he’s living in the past…

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Jan 6, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Vote NO

Vote no on the spread and no on Tebow. We need a balanced offense that maybe functions like the west coast offense. Above all, we need a qb to run it and make throws. It was so sad watching Jamasskiss Russell for any length of time because he really does have the arm. He teases you with some of the throws and then when you are like, “Maybe this is the game he breaks out.” He goes and throws that interception that leaves the team in the lurch and he just shrugs and walks off the field. The big fat head that occupies the large helmet is a sad, pathetic brain with a skull protecting it. He just doesn’t care. I don’t care either Jamasskiss. You could be great if you just worked out and watched film. With his arm on just about any qb he would be great. Now if Tebow had his arm they wouldn’t be questioning his abilities at the next level. Read the book Building a Champion by Bill Walsh Al and get rid of the dead weight. I feel like the platoon in Full Metal Jacket and Al is Private Pyle. Al is making us run laps while he eats the jelly doughnut. Al needs a blanket party.

by JaxRaider75 on Jan 6, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

"Pyle, I'll bet you're the kind of scumbag that'd fuck a soldier in the ass...

and not even have the common decency to give ’im a reacharound!"

Pyle was young Vince D’Onofrio, wasn’t he? Classic analogy. And you’re dead on about Tebow, and probably about Al giving two shits what the fans think about his decisions.

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by brhynno on Jan 6, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

i will rip out your eyes and

skull fuck you! thats what cable is wanting to say to jamarcus davis

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

i voted no on both. just think we should draft a lot of linemen and i like tom cable.

by lost on Jan 6, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I don't care what offensive scheme we have

It won’t matter as long as Davis insists on Russell, DHB and a poor O-line to run it. Bill Walsh was 2-14 his 1st year coaching and waited to get the pieces to make it work. Calmer heads would at least give Cable a chance to develop the team. Every coach needs about 3 years to construct a team in his image of what would work. Cable is 1 1/2 into the process. I think this team made progress, but we won’t know if Davis fires him and starts over. If that occurs, I will ask myself again, why I am wasting my time with this team?

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by Gerard on Jan 6, 2010 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

As Long As He Locks JaMarcus Russell In A Closet:

I’m ALL for IT!!!

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 6, 2010 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

lmao!

and throw away the key!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 6, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

this team has hell running a 15 minute offense

let alone a 2min offense. thats all the “spread” really is, besides the “wild kitten” hell we run a spead, shotgun mcfadden and marcel reece lined up at reciever with no backs, and then we see our qb “spread” all over the field in pieces!

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

Coach Leach

I say bring him as the offensive coordinator and take the play calling duties off Cable. I think implementing his offense with fierce running game to compliment it would make for a good offensive team. However, we still need a new defensive coordinator that can use what we got and make us at least a top 15 defense. We might just be good enough to have a solid shot at contending for a playoff spot!

by g-man in west sac on Jan 6, 2010 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

john marschall

will be here next year and should be. a 2 time superbowl champ at DC. i know we struggled but we did get better than 08 with ryan. our sacks went up, we went from giving up 4.7 ypc to 4.5(still the shits but better) went from 31st against the run to 29 and 10th against the pass to 7th. plus his move of scott was brilliant, so i say keep him for now, because our offense made our D play more reps this year and our numbers improved.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 6, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

He is no player coach

This will have him in the dog house faster than you can say Lane Kiffen. That is the true problem with Leach.
Remember Mike Shanahan? When he was coach the players bitched about not being able to sit one their helmets and he was so tough on them. Yeah he was so tough he got fired because of it, went up the street a ways to Denver and won 2 Superbowls with them.
So in the end the inmates rule the asylum and the person incharge of the asylum makes the Joker look like Dr. Drew.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 6, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

what do you guys think about the Steelers

OC, Bruce Arians? I’ve read reports he’s next to go out of Pittsburg.

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by gogomaplata on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

Definitely the right style coach, but you always have to factor in

If there’s any history with Al, and if he’d be willing to come. I’m not sure whether or not that’ll happen, either( Arian’s getting fired, that is).

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Jan 6, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Offensive Coordinator Candidates

Bruce Arians should be a strong candidate for a lot of jobs.

Speaking of candidates, Charlie Weis can basically take the Kansas City Chiefs job if he wants it.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing to lose

I believe we really have nothing to lose. Look at our record over the last 8 years if you break down the stats we are either the worst or second worst only to the Goddamn Lions who have no history of anything other than maybe having the best running back in the NFL ever. They havent won anything since before the merger of the AFL and NFL.
I know the record of college coaches in the NFL is abysmal? Do we really have anything to lose? Really anything is worth a shot. 5 wins is the most we have in 8years.
Someone wakeup Al or maybe slip him an Ambien to continue the sleep so someone can make a real decision.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 6, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Hiring Leach

Why not? Anything is worth a try at this point.

by ANNA B on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

I’m a Florida fan and I know the SEC is not at all an inferior conference. I have no idea why the SEC is still looked down upon. Tebow is a good QB and I believe he is a good leader. I do, however, think he needs to change the motion when he’s rolling back to throw the ball. I think this can be fixed, but if your looking for an automatic fix then Tebow is not your guy. Al is win now regardless of the need to mold a QB into pro form. Have Bruce or a veteran as the starter and have Tebow watch and learn how the game is done at that level. Unfortunately as I mentioned previously, Al wants results now. That’s not the mentality you need to use with a rebuilding team. I believe we’re close to being a very good team if we get the necessary pieces like people to stop the run and some OL help.

by Walker Wallace on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

SEC inferior?

The only conferences superior to the SEC are the AFC and the NFC. I’d like to see Alabama play you guys, though.

by hydrofarmer on Jan 7, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

About coaching changes, how is it that the Redskins can get a guy like Mike Shanahan to coach their team with an even worse GM in Daniel Snyder?

by Walker Wallace on Jan 6, 2010 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

Snyder

He is smart enough to hire Bruce Allen.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 6, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it just possible, and this is just speculation and being curious

By hiring Mike Leech, Is it possible that Al would draft Tebow, and get the other needs later? to me, that would suck, but it would be interesting.

note- I don’t think Tebow will be an star like Matt Ryan is now.

by patriotguy on Jan 6, 2010 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

Matt Ryan was the type of QB that could start immediately and prosper. Tebow is not that. Like I said before, Tebow needs to some time to change his passing motion. It’s far too slow to be effective, but given some time and some learning how to play at the pro level from a veteran QB or a pro level QB. Al usually wants results now, so I highly doubt he’d pick Tebow in the 2nd round if he’s stil available(I believe he’ll be taken in the 2nd round). He’d be a real steal like Louis Murphy if he somehow slips to the 3rd round.

Maybe if Al hired Leach things will change for the better. I’d still like to have Cable around in some capacity. Maybe as Offensive Line coach again.

by Walker Wallace on Jan 6, 2010 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

As for immediate results, odd that Al has been so patient with JR and DHB

He was patient with Stabler and Biletnikoff too … he always is with skill players out of college.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 6, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

patient with stabler,

wonder if having lamonica and blanda ahead of him had something to do with that???
   he was patient with wilson though, but had plunkett still there, but wasnt so patient with #1 marinovich, i hope he treats russell like this, but its not looking so good.

by rodeosnake12 on Jan 7, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

im really really getting sick of JaUseless

I usually dont hate players as a person, mainly because I dont know them. But JaMarcus is working his way to be the 1st player i have a personal problem with

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 7, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

DHB

He is a work in progress..Give him time to shine

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Jan 7, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant given some time I think Tebow would be a more pro ready QB. Sorry for the fragment.

by Walker Wallace on Jan 6, 2010 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

no biggy!

but wouldn’t that be the darnest thing?

by patriotguy on Jan 6, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Leach as Offensive Cood. I Like it !!!!!

Cable Stays as Head Coach !! Leach comes in as OC. Al hires a GM. Al let’s them do there jobs without interference( that’s a big one there). Tebow………. only if we can get him in the 2nd round…..ahhhh do we have a second round this year???? Far as the spread offense, it would’nt be a college spread with 4 & 5 receivers, but a 3 receiver set with McFumble on the move and Bush your lone back, like what they run in New Orleans. It could work but then the zone blocking scheme is out, which by the way is what Cable was brought in to teach in the first place. So there in itself is a conflict. We don’t need no damn conflicts !!!!! Spread offense demands 1 on 1 blocking, and sorry to say, we don’t have the lineman to do that. And truefully the Draft should be concentrating on Def. Tackles, then Off. Tackles, and nothing else. We can get by at most other positions, send Hiram (no tackling SS) Eugene packing and then the defense will look decent, well at least on paper, but I truely think much better following this recipe. Oh and back to new hires, A scouting dept. that anwsers to the GM, not Al, (sorry Al, your job is to sign checks, period !!!!!!). Praying for a new way of thinking and getting back to our winning ways !!!

by papabegood on Jan 7, 2010 12:41 AM PST reply actions  

Leach is perfect for the Oakland job

Well first of all he is obsessed with pirates. So it’s either you guys, Tampa, or East Carolina. (Not sure if Seton Hall has a football team.)

Second, you guys who would not even entertain the prospect of having Coach Leach bring in his spead offense, (“The spread offense will never work in the NFL, we don’t have the personnel”) sound like guys who have been in prison for so long that you are afraid to live on the outside. You are more willing to accept certain doormat status than an opportunity to hire one of the brightest offensive minds in the sport and at least have the HOPE of winning.

Mike Leach isn’t just some brilliant wizard with weird, mad scientist schemes that seem to mesmerize opposing defenses into surrendering miles of real estate. He is first and foremost a COACH and by that I mean a teacher. He will (he does this to all Tech wide receivers) aim a tennis ball cannon at DHB set on (relatively) slow and make him catch 300 tennis balls a day until his hands are like stainless steel velcro. He will make JM run his buttocks up and down the stadium steps and throw 190 balls per practice until he begins to resemble a real quarterback. It may take a year or two, but he will groom an offensive line that will pass-block so well that even you could quarterback with a modicum of success. He will demand full-speed effort and near perfection from everybody in the organization, from the water boys on up.
I’m not saying he’s the next coming of Vince Lombardi, but he’s much, much better than what you’ve got.

by hydrofarmer on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 AM PST reply actions  

Plus, it would be amusing to have this guy in Oakland

On the down side, we would need to spend all our picks on Offensive players to get him the materials to make his scheme work … while the D languishes for another year.

Son-of-Blanda

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

There is no way any

intelligent coach wants to come to Oakland and watch his career die a slow painful death under the shaking hand of Alzheimer Al. As long as the breathing corpse is running things we only be able to attarct has-beens or 2nd rate wanna-be (Cable anyone??)…nobody with talent…A guy like Leach wants to run things HIS WAY.. and that will never happen with the walking life support machine in charge…

by G_M on Jan 11, 2010 12:49 AM PST reply actions  

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