Saint's Take On Gannon-Gate: Rich Gannon Needs To Shut Up, Take His Football and Go Home
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST
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PrintPerhaps I should have entitled this article 'Saint's Take On Why Gannon Cannot Get Past The Gate'. Rich Gannon must be suffering from some severe concussion effects because he knows how Al Davis works and he owes this franchise EVERYTHING.
I mean, who was Rich Gannon before he was rescued from the scrap heap in Kansas City? Gannon couldn't even beat out Elvis Grbac, yet, he became the 2002 League MVP with the players that Al Davis gave him.
Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Tyrone Wheatley, Charlie Garner, Lincoln Kennedy, Rod Woodson, Romo...And the list goes on...were all players that Al Davis brought in to win a Championship. Rich Gannon benefitted from Al's leadership and the Raider Mystique that drew the players here.
How did he repay the Boss when things got tough? He spit on him, dragged him through the mud and hung him out to dry.
The Oakland Raiders are Al Davis' Legacy, NOT, Rich Gannon's. It is too bad that the one time League MVP didn't realize that his own legacy is tied to the Raiders and now he is out of the loop on that. I doubt that he will be getting any calls from the Chiefs or Vikings to be a part of any "Ring of Honor" Ceremonies and now he probably cost himself the chance to get together with his old buddies and relive the glory days in front of 60,000 screaming fans. That is just DUMB.
Rich should have been calling Mr. Davis to appologize, not to say, "I know better than you, so I'll HELP YOU OUT!". Then Rich Gannon goes on to mention "Helping" Aaron Rodgers. As if to take some credit for Aaron's meteoric rise.
Give me a break Rich, you were great for four years, THANKS to Mr. Davis, NOT in spite of him.
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Well said saint
as I said on a previous post, if he really wanted to help the team he would have at least waited for Mr Davis to respond before going on the radio and proclaiming “i cant believe i did this but I called Al Davis and offered MY help” how could the Raiders bring him in to help after that even if they wanted to (which they didn’t anyway).
Screw you Gannon making Al look bad does not mean you did not lose us the Superbowl, YOU CHOKED!
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
well, you are going ballistic the other way
Herrera is a prick—his buttons are activated very easily, and he is bombastic in his reactions. But Gannon is a passive-aggressive bully (check websites for bullying in the workplace), and as I said in another post, he is acting as a catty junior high schoolgirl.
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
And the Raider aren't acting like catty junior high school girls in their response?
Yeah, it’s better to be petty and vindictive than to do everything you can to put a quality product on the field, even if it means taking that “evil” Rich Gannon up on his offer.
Rusty23--you too have been a girl in junior high?
Then you know that there are ways to deal with it in a dignified way. Herrera was a girl, too, but I am discussing Gannon.
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, but I've seen all of Lindsey Lohan's movies!
You’re killing me! Look, ultimately it doesn’t matter if Rich was sinncere or not. What is the point of the Raiders response? Petty and vindictive is not productive at any point. Why not call him on it, get his help and when Jamarcus still sucks, blame it on Gannon?
Oh rusty23
I havent’s seen those movies—are they any good?
No question about it—the herrera response was an overblown junior high boys’ talk, the most ineffective one can imagine.
Now, my point is, if Gannon were really smart, he could have played it differently, softer and more intelligently. But Gannon—from what I see—is not really smart in the important soft-metrics ways. And these are important for someone who wants to help.
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
On Gannon's soft skills
I agree completely.
And, I have to confess, I haven’t seen those movies. I’m a fraud. Pop culture teen movies aren’t my bag.
You may have missed his point, that any help is useful
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with the point that any help could be useful
I really don’t think that was Gannon’s intention here though. The way it was brought up just wreaks of trying to stir up ratings for his show.
I was surprised to learn that he really does quarterback consulting on the side though. He was pretty unorthodox as a player.
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
I disagree with you. Gannon is now a media member and thus has more access than others which gives him a soap stand to convey his thoughts. While his statements could be viewed as self serving, I don’t think that was his motivation.
I think EVERY former Raider QB is embarrassed by Baby Huey Russell. I can’t recall ever seeing a QB who has looked so ill suited to play the position professionally than him. Rich Gannon was never afraid to speak his mind for one goal and that was to win. The only time winning hasn’t been the main focus can be sadly witnessed over the last 7 years by an owner who continues to think that his philosophies can still bring about even mediocrity in the NFL, oh if we would only be so lucky.
I see nothing wrong with a former NFL MVP who along with other former Raiders have offered to help this team get shamed by the Raider brass. It’s sad that the Raider paranoia which leaks out to the local and national media continue to leave this organization with a tremendous lack of sympathy when viewed from the outside or probably the NFL.
Does lack of loyalty to Al Davis mean that Gannon can’t pick up the phone and offer help for an embarrassing #1 pick. It is because no one has stood up to challenge Davis that allows him to continue to erode this franchise to pitiful levels.
For those of you who cheaply say that Gannon choked in the Super Bowl fail should go back and watch a game in which our defense allowed a Tampa offense to have its ways. If you want to blame anyone, blame Gruden!
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
by Gerard on Jan 8, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Yes, Gerard, well said
You said most of what I wanted to say. Rich did not become great with the Raiders, either. He led that KC team into the playoffs, only to have his seat usurped and handed to a sorry qb named Elvis from Michigan, and then most of KC wanted to point fingers at Rich.
Al was able to see the talent there, and that if you added Rich to the mix of the great cast you mentioned above, Saint, you have a super bowl caliber team, which we did.
You let Bill Callahan try to call the same things that Jon Gruden was able to get from Rich Gannon against Jon Gruden, and you have a recipe for a lot of picks and guys like Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, and John Lynch drooling. Add in, your starting center, the guy responsible for calling plays for the line, and a highly intelligent caller of line plays at that, and you have miscues and a front getting dominated at the point of attack, therein contributing to the picks.
I said in a previous post, 50% of the blame falls squarely on Gannon’s shoulders. You take the good with the bad, and it’s almost as if all of those hating on Rich right now, forget that he was spectacular for those two seasons, all season long and in the playoffs to get us there, for which he was probably at least 50% responsible, if not more.
What he did was borderline douchebag, but as Gerard pointed out, talking heads in the media that were former players put their feet in their mouths regularly, probably simply because they’re given a platform from which to do so, and I believe Rich would probably have kept his mouth shut awaiting the response from the organization in retrospect of the public opinion, and that of the Raider nation.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Agreed
I don’t know about blaming Gruden for the loss or really any one person in particular, but Gannon calling Davis for help was a good thing. We should have known nothing would come of this, but at least someone tried to reach out and help. Right now, I’d take Gannon over Davis as the general manager. I’d take just about anyone over Davis as the general manager. Davis clearly needs help.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 8, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. Whoever is holding a grudge here, and you can guess which side is most guilty
Needs to put the bs behind us and get focused on winning. Gannon is an incredible football mind, has an amazing work ethic, and together with Jon Gruden great things happened for the Raider organization. We should not forget that this guy was a tremendous locker room presence for that Raider team, and we can use all the presence in our locker room we can get at this point.
The actions of this organization scream, “We don’t care about, just winning any more baby, we care about being right about stupid bullshit.” That’s exactly what the juvenile response by the organizations says, whether Rich was wrong for doing it or not.
And how does an offer to help get so twisted into a malicious act by Rich? Come on folks; let’s get focused on what matters: getting this team better now.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Then why didn't Gannon seek to help privately and also privately and tactfully try to
mend the fence of resentment between himself and Davis? On the contrary, he arrogantly presented himself as a Messiah figure offering himself selflessly and being unjustly spurned. That, if anything, was a cheap act of brazen grandstanding. Yes, he was one of Oakland’s good quarterbacks but his record, unlike, Blanda’s, Lamonica’s, or Stabler’s was not free from taint nor is his post retirement deportment without blame with regard to the Raider organization. It is apparent that Herrera (malicious man that he is) hit on the truth when he gratuitously (and cruelly) twisted the knife into Gannon’s Achilles heel.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
As I said before, his position in the media give him the forum to do that
and albeit arrogant and foolhearty, I find it hard to believe his intention were even slightly malicious.
Granted, he should have kept his mouth shut about it until a proper response could be given, and absolutely should’ve kept any offers quiet before opening his mouth—the faux pas he committed—which I’ve heard him do many times before. I subscribe to Sirius radio and Rich Gannon was on with Adam Schein regularly in a slot I listened to on my morning trip to work, and I don’t believe Rich has entirely caught on to the ramifications that come with being a radio show analyst and personality, as evidenced by his ability to insert foot in mouth.
He may well be getting what he deserves from Al. God knows I’d react similarly; my point is, the recquisite response here from Herrerra, Davis, the organization, is not conducive to winning games, and therefore, I find Al guilty of the bigger sin, for again, allowing it to happen in this organization.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Having the opportunity
still does not make it the right thing to do.
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hardly, but he is a given ontological certainty (for the present) and someone
who will not be moved or affected by such a vain self-serving stunt as Gannon tried to pull. Hey! I get it now, you still believe that JaMarcass is salvageable!! That’s it. You hold onto the hope that someone, in this case Gannon, can break through and unlock your hero’s latent potential. I am stunned by this revelation of my own insight.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
No
He is petty and vindictive with a football team that has 7 straight 11+ loss seasons and a horrible young QB to deal with.
I’ll quit beating this dead horse if you would please take me out of the Jamarcus camp! My God, it does look like I think he’s salvageable. I feel so dirty.
By the way my Raider heroes are Otto and Long.
I love you. All is forgiven
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Al Davis instructing Herrera how to respond to Gannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_xfC9RXicU
Watch for Herrera’s response
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Amen
I think the raiders need all the help they can get so if Gannon wanted to help, they should let him help.
I think Russell
already knows how to throw an interception, though he has never thrown 5 in one game with 3 of them returned for touchdowns.
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Come on Rusty23--where did you leave your coat of humor?
by Spirals galore on Jan 9, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'm tired
Just a little grumpier than usual. I also have an issue with people who fail to look at all facets of success or failure. The Raiders were ripe to lose that game for so many reasons, most of them have been mentioned so I don’t need to rehash them.
I get the same way about this Gannon offer to help. I see where you’re coming from on his offer. Perhaps insincere, we don’t know for sure and probably not the way the help should have been offered. I think that’s Rich’s personality. I’ve met him (that doesn’t mean I “know” him) and the vibe I got from him is that tact or lack thereof is probably a pretty big issue for him. I could probably strike the word porbably. Anyhoo my problem is with the Raider response. If you want to be better, then you have to "be"’ better.
i didnt receive the impression that gannon was showing anyone up or anything
just looked like a dude trying to help out his former team. i dont think it was a very good idea to put it out in the media though..
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
it wasn't. but Rich is a knee jerk journalist and radio guy
who routinely acts first without thinking of the consequences. That’s why he prepared so much, I guess, because he knew his modus operandi was operating on instinct.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
It does seem like a publicity stunt on Gannon’s part but maybe the guy just has blinding arrogance when it comes to his ability to help. Seriously, JBust is not going to listen to him anyway. Anyone and everyone realizes the problem is not the QB coaching. It is the player that is the problem so by highlighting that to the front office, seems a strategic mistake or publicity stunt for his radio show OR, he is just thinking with his ego.
still, “Mr” Davis and his lapdog Herrera are too wrapped up in their own delusions to entertain outside help of any kind so why bother.
nailed it. Gannon is an asshole!
But an amazing football mind and absolutely capable of helping this team’s passing game.
At the very least, he’d see that Jamarcus just doesn’t want it badly enough to be great.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
but think of the consequences of a helpful asshole
and know-it-all. It’s not a matter of him being competent in football matters, it’s rather the soft metrics—someone who doesn’t know how to offer help.
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
His work ethic and results as qb and leader of the offense and presence in the locker room
far outweighed his shortcomings in personality; I find little reason to expect any different from him as coach. Very Gruden like. Loves to study the game; I’m sure you’re familiar with the story of when Gruden first met with Gannon, and offered him three things to do: two exotic, vacation like getaways I can’t remember, the third being getting a six pack and watching some film. That’s what it takes to be great, and it’s something he possesses.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
these recommendations would make ME a good candidate for the position
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
although I'd really prefer to act as an OL
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha, me too!
But the difference is that Rich did it as a player, and because he loved the game and desired to get better every minute of every day, and realized, like Gruden, that you have to arrive at 3:30 am and get home around 11 or midnight all season long. I just loved that story, as told by Chucky no less!
Imagine Madden’s voice, or even Frank Caliendo doing Madden: “Now that’s just great football!”
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
However, I should clarify, I believe Sons is familiar with the particulars
of this anecdote. Rich chose to watch football film and share a sixpack with Jon G., instead of going on some ridiculous paid vacation or being honeymooned with extravagance.
Mind you, Rich had just been jettisoned from a team he led to the playoffs.where too he worked harder than any single layer, clocking more dedicated time to his game, only to be kicked to the curb in favor of a loser named Grbac; and it puzzles me to this day that Gannon still gets heat for the playoff loss for which Elvis started, and was responsible for losing, and was spending more time than any other player in KC at the time studying, learning, dedicated to continuous improvement, understanding that that dedication is essential.
Jon Gruden had just finished opening the Raider facility at 345 am, once again, having lost count of how many days in a row he’s done that, and somehow still holding a family together (and not the family in Oakland!) in his spare time????
And the two are excited to open the doors and go right back at it? I know you’re thinking, what kind’s of beers did they have, Brian? Well that, I can’t divulge, because I either don’t remember or if it was said…
At that moment, I imagine I was at peace with the Raider Nation, anticipating this great, but shortlived marriage between Rich Gannon and Jon Gruden was in its earliest stages of courtship, and oh what a marriage it turned out to be!
They had to get Gruden his own key to get into the building at 4 am. After Rich showed up even earlier than Jon consistently, he was given his own set of keys, and was, for the duration of his raider time, was consistently the first guy to the facility, and the last to leave
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Snake and company were also swilling in the wee hours
and though it took the first half to sober they mostly kept it close and won in the end. The Result matters most and though good habits and work ethic are commendable it’s ultimately that 16 hours (plus 1 to 3 more) each season that ultimately matter most.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 9, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
And that group actually has an SB ring
Did Stabler throw for an Super Bowl record 5 interceptions?
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Only one with Stabler.
Stabler was QB XI. Plunkett was MVP for XV and helped us beat the ’Skins in SB XVIII. being we were discussing QBs and Stabler was mentioned, he lead us on the game for our first Lombardi only.
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Not Kenny but a few others in his inner circle who lasted
have two rings. Two that come to mind are Raymond Chester and Dave Dalby; they were in Stabler’s inner group and earned their 2nd SB ring in XV.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 9, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I tried to wriggle out of that one, Amy
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
And somehow he thinks is better with no experience?
He can be better as a first time coach then a guy with 30 years experience?
Gannon is good at moving his lips. I have yet to hear anything useful come out of them since he retired.
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and the Raiders have been spectacular since he left
You’re missing the point as much as anyone else who’s protesting about Gannon being a dick here.
I’ve agreed with that in every post, if you’d look back. It’s obvious you hate him.
Al can remember him for what he will, but say what you will, he got us there as part of a team, and we lost that game as part of a team. If you think Al’s behavior here is conducive to winning games, my friend, look at the record over the last eight years. What we’ve been doing isn’t working. I hear all the talk about how great Hackett is as qb coach, but do you see it on the field?
It’s just silly to really believe that Gannon had that ridiculous agenda to which you’re inferring. He offered his help, and he is a horrible talking head, tactless, and probably ignorant to the fact that Al will remain in favor of being right over doing whatever it takes to find a way to win.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I agree with everything
except
I hear all the talk about how great Hackett is as qb coach, but do you see it on the field?
That’s all on Russell. Look @ Grad and Frye. Russell just doesn’t want to try.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
I know. I have the utmost respect for Hackett. And Gradkowski demonstrated his prowess.
But I think this drove home the point that this organization is in no position whatsoever to be denying help from anyone, much less a pro bowl former qb who led them to back to back playoff seasons and a super bowl, albeit, a poor showing in the big game, but I hold him maybe 50% responsible for. All things considered I’d place a higher degree of blame on other factors which are now already tired, and I’m not going there.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Because someone lacks tact
or has a problem being social at the proper times does not make that person insincere.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
What Do We Really Want to See This Offseason
1. A new GM to help Davis
2. Allow our coach to stay to at least give him a chance to improve on areas he identified he needs to let go of and focus on the bigger picture
3. Fire Jamarcus and let him prove us wrong with another team. He’s burned his Golden Gate sized Bridge in Oakland
4. Identify areas of improvement and add players through the draft and FA signings.
5 Get over Gannon’s comments and just call it for what it is, another Raider-ex burned by Raider brass paranoia
Any additions or subtractions?
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
#1 On your list is the most important
and since we’re in dream mode here I’d allow that GM to pick his own head coach.
Sadly I don’t think any of those things will happen as I fully expect JaMarcus Russell to be the starting QB with whichever desperate coach Davis can get to “run” the team.
It’s been 26 years since they won the Super Bowl and that’s a streak I don’t see being broke anytime soon.
Hey, don't knock me off this cloud, homey!
I, for one, am enjoying dream mode for now. It’s still the offseason, so how much can go wrong now!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
"so how much can go wrong now!"
oh I’m actually afraid to think about that. I do know in my dreams about the Raiders Jon Gruden is still the coach and JaMarcus Russell quit football after college to follow his dream of being a hot dog eating contest champion.
I might be a fan of his eating skills
Though I’d give the edge to Kobayashi! Those little asian guys can sure eat!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Gannon is getting his own radio show...
on satellite radio. I think this a shameless way to try and get listeners. He needs to get his name out there, so he “extends a helping hand” in a very insincere way so he can look like the good guy. What a prick, I can’t believe I use to sport this guys jersey.
And Gannon's opinion of qb coach Hackett is implied, i.e. Hackett's deficient I can do much better
all the time knowing that his “offer” would be rejected. This way typical media sensational insincere bullshit.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well I don't think Hackett is going to put the work he did this season with Russell
too high on his resume. I imagine he has that resume always updated though since he’s been hired and fired by about half the teams in pro and college football.
I’m not going to be too hard on Hackett though because I don’t think Bill Walsh in his prime could turn JaMarcus Russell around.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and Russell found out he was a great poker player during his trip to Vegas and he’ll quit football to concentrate on Texas Hold em’
Unless Russell Changes His Attitude
He is beyond repair and Hackett has been around too long to have this as a blemish on his resume. All he needs is a QB with a brain and he’s fine. Gradkowski is our case in point. The offense DOES work with the right personnel.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
Not Russell
But the work he did with Gradkowski and Frye is nothing to be ashamed of!
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Too true
Frye couldn’t bust a grape in Cleveland; he throws for 300 against his old team and was on-pace to clear 350 against the Ravens? A minor miracle in and of itself. I agree, Hackett knows his business. I’d considered Frye another “idiot personnel move” by the Keystone Kops crew in the front office until those last two games.
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
Like what you are saying Gerard
Winning games is the mantra here, guys, or did you overlook that? Are you too proud to accept help from an exRaider who has the smarts, determination, and work ethic to show a #1 draft choice how to be successful? You’re all looking at the offer as self-serviing for Gannon. He just wants to help the team get better as he’s just as upset about the Raider franchise not winning as we are. If you can’t see that, then you guys are just like Davis, too blind to see that he is running the team into the ground. Gerard, I would bring Russell back next year with a renegotiated contract and have him compete for his job.
I could accept that, but Russell has already said he won't renegotiate
I think that is absolutely stupid on Russell’s part but actually it’s not surprising. Russell needs to prove himself, bottom line. The question I have is whether you bring him back and pay him $9M next year.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
I hope even Al Davis is smarter than that
But with the Howard Hughes of Football, anything is possible. If Davis fires Cable, then he’s gonna bring Jabigbust back for another try. If he keeps Cable, he should only bring Jabigbust back for less money and no guarantee he would start.
what would Cribbs want? 9M for G.Russell is too steep
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Lose him, keep Bush in more - alternating between RB and FB and get Cribbs to run back
kickoffs and punts.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Agree that 9mil is too much for Jabigbust
and it would be great to get Cribbs, but the Browns have him under contract. What about Michael Vick? Is he signed for next year with the Eagles? Vick would make a great QB for the Raiders and Al Davis loves a reclamation project.
You can't pay an NFL team to take Jaquarter ton with cheese
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
that just never gets old...
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Just suck up the guaranteed money...
…and “charge it to the game”…
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
I like your full name!
Milo means “beloved” in the language where I grew up.
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Foster...as in "Bananas Foster"
Its what Jamarcus had for desert last night.
Hey, If Dave Casper can try to be a lineman at the end of his career, there is no reason why we can’t use Jamarcus as one still early in his career. Maybe that is how we justify his contract. I wouldn’t put him at center because I am not impressed with his audible skills.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
Absolutely not
As stated in earlier blogs, give him until the final cut to show he’s changed his ways (yes, a major miracle) and has actually started to become a student of the game; if not, chop him and save the $6+ million that isn’t guaranteed to him. $9 mil to ride the pine and be a walking pariah for 17 weeks? I don’t think so…
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
How is it NOT self-serving?
He has made the offer before and been turned down.
He was asked to not come to headquarters for a press briefing.
He knows well that Mr. Davis referred to him as “the guy that threw 5 interceptions in Super Bowl”.
He also knows that Mr. Davis prefers keeping private matters , well, private.
This was a media stunt by Gannon to pump ratings for his radio show.
Unless you think Gannon is too stupid to have gotten it through his skull the Raiders want nothing to do with him?
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
we even perform poorly in off season issues
i pray that 2010 is the year we make the playoffs!
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I’m a long-time fan and have a right to challenge when a poser makes uniformed assinine statements like those against Gannon and for Russell. So the Raiders made Gannon a success? All that time in the film room, Gruden as HC, etc. did nothing. You feel sorry for Russell because his mentor died. Well sorry, that happens to all of us. He was an idiot at LSU and he’s an idiot now. If the Raiders make superstar players out of losers, why hasn’t Russell developed? If the average kid with an accounting degree performed as poorly after graduating from college, his butt would have been fired. Superstar Al put us in the financial shape with Russell, not Russell. I say, keep Russell and play him at DE. Let him get pounded.
At least Russell can take a pounding!
Also, no one is saying that Gannon sucks or doesn’t work hard, but taking account of his whole career, he had a great season or two because of guys like Garner, Rice, and Brown. He is not an elite quarterback by any means.
Gannon had already been told "Don't Come Here"
Remember when Gannon was asked to not attend the press briefing at headquarters? The Raiders asked him to not attend.
Gannon knows he is not wanted nor welcome by headquarters staff of the Raiders.
Anyone believes his offer was made in good faith underestimates his talent for being the media shill he now is.
Why I think Gannon was sincere
even if he lacks tact:
“Listen, I’m not all the king’s horses and I’m not all the king’s men,” Gannon said. “I can’t put Humpty Dumpty together again. I can’t do that. But I was just looking to figure out a way to go out there and share with them some of the things that helped me as a player and prepare and get myself ready, not only for the season but for games each week.”
so to me it sounds like he’s sincere, just needs to learn some tact.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Knowing he already was not welcome
I find his self-deprecation self-serving.
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
you know
I believe that Gannon is still a Raider in his heart despite all animosity that’s there. I think he truly does want to see Russell succeed. Gannon was never known for having tact and was always a blunt type person, I’m sure he’ll eventually learn some tact. So everyone’s allowed to feel what they do, but I think you’re being unduly harsh on him. He may have been using it as a way to rebuild a bridge that’s been burnt from both ends. But really any help Russell can get would be great. And if Gannon really wanted to help him during the off season before camp and work with him, why not? Both parties went at this the wrong way, that’s true. But if the offer was genuine, it could have helped both Russell and mend the fences between Davis and Gannon.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
well said, Mike.
Its time for us to put petty matters behind us as an organization. And the formula for the majority of the last decade, hasn’t worked, so which side is being more arrogant?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
the Raiders have a defensive attitude
because of years of attacks from the media. I don’t mean criticism, I mean attacks. When the media perpetuates the idea that Al Davis is an evil old coot then I consider those attacks. Maybe it is Al Davis’ karma because of double dealings years ago, I don’t know. Either way, I can see that they are defensive with cause, as Al would say.
sorry, Mike, Gannon sounds like a megalomaniac.
by Spirals galore on Jan 9, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
so do some people on here
I’m not saying he went about the right away, but I think his heart was in the right place.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
mikesd1981, I miss you (you haven't been much on, have you)
and I am glad you respond to my megalomania!
by Spirals galore on Jan 9, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
what makes you think I meant you?
that’s a lot like the song “Your So Vain”.
And yea I’ve been around. I posted the story about the players want Cable to stay and Gannon story in the Fanposts.
However, calling this article Gannon-Gate isn’t right. That implies a scandal. This isn’t a scandal, it’s 2 egomaniac children (al and rich) going at it in public. Just Davis hides behind a PR man.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
did you see The queen of the Night video I posted?
Mike, you are a riot. But no, you haven’t been on much lately; I always look forward to your posts, and have not been much in the last couple of days.
by Spirals galore on Jan 9, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. Mike very much brings that 'devil's advocate' perspective to almost everything
and calls us all on our bs. It’s definitely not quite the same experience when you not only sense the presence, but have his powerful and provocative responses to maintain the balance…
And it’s not always what we want to hear, which makes me appreciate it even more.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Well, you're willing to accept Gannon's offer
so delivery isn’t as important to you as content
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Well my issues here
is that I’m not exactly a master of tact myself. So I understand how something could be taken a wrong way and try not to take certain things at face value. Besides, this isn’t the first time Gannon offered to help Russell out. During the off-season he offered to fly Russell out at Gannon’s own expense to work with him.
If Gannon has consulted with other QB’s, why not Russell too? I’m just saying that he has to learn some tact and I think he will. But part of him I feel has some respect for Davis still.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
then we just agree
I don’t care if people disagree as long as it’s not just a one liner. If people want to argue a point, then they should bring to the table facts and not just opinions.
Case in point: All the Russell posts on here. I and others bring the numbers and try to verify things that have been said to make our point he’s not getting it. The apologists just keep the same excuses over and over. No new facts or evidence.
I guess I’ve just always liked open debate. It’s part of my personality. I tend to debate a lot in general, but I like to make sure my ducks are bill-to-tail when I do.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
What is more provocative, than anger?
I’ve been pissed off, too, but it ultimately made me rethink my positions.
Being a Raider fan is filled with emotions, extreme highs and and extreme lows, and the painful truth is not often met with open arms.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Rich Gannon is a Bum
Rich Gannon is a bum. He was good for a couple of years when the Raiders brought him as a “nobody”. But when the biggest game of his career came, (the biggest game of my life) he didn’t do a damn thing, he choked, he sucked, he still sucks, and was never again, plus he is a crappy announcer. Gannon- the Raiders don’t need your help, you would make them even worse than they already are! Go F*** Yourself!
(the biggest game of my life)
no biased opinion here. No creditability left. Russell needs all the help he can get. And Gannon was alright in KC too til he got a bum deal when he got replaced by another QB.
But look at it this way. If an Admiral defects to another country and a captain in his fleet is about to do battle w/ him after he taught him every battle plan what would you expect to happen?
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It kills me how people still think Gannon, and not Grbac
cost KC their playoff bid; Al was privy to this. This is exactly why he went on to become a Raider great…
And for those of you who call him a “bum,” simply profess your lack of football knowledge.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I would expect that captain to anticipate the Admiral but Gannon played into the hands of
Admiral Chucky. You see, it works both ways, these guys new each other but Gruden was the better chessman and the better man. Gannon was a good quarterback, he held the record for something like 37 completions in a single game and when Gruden was there to keep him confident he did well; but when Jon “defected” and they eventually faced each other Gannon folded, morally vanquished before the kickoff.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 9, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't
The Raiders get better in the second half after they changed the verbiage for their audibles? Wasn’t that the player leadership’s (Rice, Gannon, Brown etc) doing?
It is truly astonishing that the audibles that Gruden installed had not been changed over the course of that season and inexcusable that they weren’t changed against TB until halftime. fn. 3 of Gannon’s 5 interceptions came in the 2nd half.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 9, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well that falls alot on
Callahan so I guess my example should have been Lt.
Everyone is forgetting that Callahan was the OC that was picked by Gruden and wants to put all that game on Gannon even though he wasn’t calling the plays. He was just the guy taking orders.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Gannon was 16 years in the league as a quarterback
so playing the role of “lieutenant” i.e. not thinking for himself and his team is no excuse. Hell, he should have been demanding how things needed to be if Callahan, obviously, was oblivious.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 9, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps
But Callahan came across as thick headed and a bit of an ass. So even if he wanted to change the calls, there’s no guarantee that Callhan would have went along with that plane, even if it makes sense. I’m just saying while Gannon is part of the blame in the SB, it shouldn’t fall squarely on him and people need to remember that there were other personnel running the show too.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Failure to change the calls/signals/etc.
…falls on both of them. They knew they were good enough for a SB run, and both knew damn well that Tampa was just a halfway-competent offense away from making a Super Bowl run (and knew Gruden would figure out how to put one together), so they should’ve anticipated the possibility in the off-season/pre-season and changed everything accordingly. They changed their offensive style, but if the audible calls and such hadn’t changed, then Chucky was still elbows-deep in their playbook and still had them by the cojones…
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
For all of JaDoofus's shortcomings...
…at least he manages to stay out of trouble; peep this idiocy…
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/9/1242616/marshawn-lynch-charged-with-20
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
It really comes down to this.
The fact of the matter is that JaMarcus NEEDS help, and regardless of who offers it to him, it is absolutely ridiculous to insult someone for doing so.
The problem with the Raiders is that they refuse to admit that there is a fucking problem. Nothing changes, we go through bad year after bad year, all the while you people continue to drink the kool-aid, and continue to follow the gospel.
Stop it. ANYONE’s help would help JaMarcus at this point. Ryan Leaf could probably give the kid some damn pointers. This isn’t about Rich Gannon. If any one of us had the ability Gannon did, and could help the Raiders organization, an organization we all know and love dearly, we would do it. We would reach out in anyway we know how. And to be reciprocated with, “Rich Gannon is a jerk.” is fucked up. Period.
He’s been blackballed by the organization for speaking the truth, which is that this organization is an absolute joke as it stands. It is. Not one team comes in to Oakland thinking that the game is anything less than a gimme (and the fact that we upset a few teams in the regular season is beyond the point when we shit away games to Cleveland.)
You people slandering Gannon for trying to help are part of the problem. Part of the reason why 7 years later we are all still dealing with a team that gets a kick out of ripping our hearts out of our chest every year. Something has to give but at the first sign of change you’re ready to call for heads.
by slapchop on Jan 10, 2010 4:50 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
You speak the unmitigated truth, slapchop. Rec'd
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
You're half right
Gannon shouldn’t be “tarred and feathered” for caring about the team, regardless of the questionable wisdom of his methods. However, there’s no damn hope for Russell. Best thing that can be said for him is that he’s stayed out of any real trouble so far. It’s plainly apparent he has no desire to put in the work to become even a serviceable, much less great, quarterback. I don’t care when they cut him loose, whether it’s in the off-season or at the last set of cuts before RS play starts again. The team won’t play for him, period. Anyone anticipating a change of heart on his part is pretty much fooling himself
When the ride gets rough, only the Ruff Ryde...
agreed on Jafatass Bustle
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The Raiders need to take Gannon up on his offer.
There’s nobody better to sense a collapsing pocket and make something out of it.
While they’re at it, I’d look for some help from Jerry Rice or Tim Brown on developing Heyward-Bey and improving the hands of some of the other receivers.
I think Gannon is sincere, and I’m sure Tim Brown would love to help.
Jerry's presence is never far from Raider camp
DHB continues to learn from him, which is why, I, along with many great GM’s and former GM’s and evaluators of personnel in the league, hold out that he’ll develop into a solid guy.
Everyone forgets that we knew he would be a developmental project, and have struggles as a rookie. Throw in that Jamarcus was throwing to him (with just ten yards passing in a game, I’m fairly certain the average guy off the street could do better) and you compound it by 10×.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Thankfully, DHB is not like Russell
You can practice, work hard and learn to catch the football, however, you can’t learn to love and appreciate the game. All indications are that DHB will work hard on his deficiencies and improve his play. He may never prove to be worth where he was drafted, but it won’t be for lack of effort.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 10, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
dead on. it was a mistake to use that early of a pick
But I’ve never hated the guy, and hold strong that he’ll be a solid number 1 or 2, drawing doubles and helping the corps.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The funny part is everyone wants to jump all over Gannon
who may , or may not be, offering legitimate help. But no one dares to call Chucy a traitor for wanting a trade to get out of Oakland? In fact they all want him to come back and be coach again.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
we are a walking, talking, conundrum as fans sometimes
but we share one thing in common: we just want it fixed; we’re just in disagreement on how it needs to be done. It’s not as easy as we cut it out to be, too.
There are many other teams in the league that still struggle to reach the plateau…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I hate John Herrera
There was a thread not too long ago where we were questioning Russell’s decision to talk to reporters about his receivers’ inability to “make a play” rather than have Russell take one for the team. The consensus was that what Russell should have said was nothing.
I think this needs to be John Herrera’s new life motto. John, whenever you have a thought you want to express verbally, think of this first – What you should be saying is nothing.
John Hackett may very well be a great QB coach, but he obviously hasn’t gotten through to JaMarcus Russell. Why not bring in another voice, a guy who worked his ass off to be the best he could be? Too much arrogance and pride from Al Davis and John Herrera to have to say “thank you” or “you were right” to the last successful Raiders QB whose only fault is to speak the truth about this franchise the last 7 years.
I'm in the smallest of minorities, but I'm still a big supporter of JaMarcus Russell.
I think this needs to be John Herrera’s new life motto. John, whenever you have a thought you want to express verbally, think of this first – What you should be saying is nothing
Haha that reminds of me a Lewis Black joke about George Bush where he said “the next time President Bush has a thought he should just let it go…” of course if you know who Lewis Black is imagine his mannerisms.
But I agree with you on your comment 100%
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
I love Lewis Black
The way he expresses everything with angst and disgust and it’s somehow always hilarious makes him one of those rare comedic talents.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
you know?
Did Al hand pick this guy to be a pr guy???? He consults the handbook of the top things never to do as a public relations spokesperson…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
yes, Herrera is a madman
I hadn’t seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruiUgDyMf60
The Mercury News journalist skillfully pushes his buttons, too.
by Spirals galore on Jan 10, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Herrera
The dude is a puppet.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 10, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
what a maroon...
I just always wanted to say that. That video makes you scratch your head that this guy could actually be a public relations figurehead.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Herrera is mental
a crude brawler and bully. I hope for the day when some wimpy reporter drives his/her knee into his sterile left testicle.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Deterioration
The problem is that the body current Raiders organization is deteriorating like a human body would at 80 years old. Core body functions are failing and are not being fixed or replaced. The Raiders used to have a GM type person in Bruce Allen and before that it was Ron Wolf, now nothing.
The Raiders used to have a PR type person/spokesman by the name of Al LoCasale, who was with the Raiders seemingly forever. LoCasale was as smooth as could be, very affable and wouldn’t make the type of blunders Herrera makes now. LoCasale retired and never was replaced except through the under-qualified, “well I’ll do it if no one else will” John Herrera.
The Raiders MO has always been that of “we don’t give a shit what you think, we’re going to do it are way”, and they have never taken to well to criticism. While this MO worked for some 20 odd years, it ain’t working now and won’t until they decide to join the modern era.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
yes
That’s how I got to the video of Herrera.
by Spirals galore on Jan 10, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Been a while fellas, in the field all season with that said on Gannon
He should have know better than to say the things he did. Being a Oakland guy everyone knows Al Davis rewards loyalty and crushes disloyalty. Gannon is done, but the Raiders aren’t, next season will be greatly improved, however, as I said before the first kickoff J-Russ is not ready and I don’t know if he will ever get ready, if we have a coaching change he may never really have a chance. Even with his contract, if he doesn’t bust his ass, he’s finished, the truth, his play is worst that an average QB. I look forward to next season…Go Raiders!!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Jan 11, 2010 7:45 AM PST reply actions
Sipping the AD kool-aid
Rich Gannon was great because of the weapons around him, but more importantly he was great because of his ability to execute Jon Gruden’s gameplan. Al Davis didn’t throw a TD pass. Al Davis didn’t run a crisp 5 yard slant route.
What Al Davis did do was draft Seabastian Janikowski against Jon Gruden’s wishes when he wanted to draft a very talented running back in Shaun Alexander. What’s the logic behind that? A kicker attempts maybe 40 FGs a year… a running back like Shaun Alexander would have made the Raiders a more well rounded team. Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen succeeded in Silver and Black in spite of Al Davis’ questionable 1st round draft picks.
Al should be kissing their feet, but instead he is alone on his own island at 80 years old. Nobody with anybody with football crudentials wants ANYTHING to do with Oakland anymore and its sad. It’s sad to see how much one proud (maybe too proud) franchise can flounder in the course of seven years.
The only coach with any crudentials that might actually be interested in changing the fortunes of the Oakland Raiders would be Jim Harbaugh. Bay area guy with an impressive NFL resume and coaching pedigree. The Raiders roster would suit his smashmouth style of playcalling. Jim could very well emulate what his brother, John Harbaugh has accomplished in Baltimore.
Couldn't you have chosen a better example than Janikowski?
Amortized over the years, he turned out to be a brilliant 1st round choice. fn. That was Al’s year to work on specialties – we also picked Lechler in the 4th round, I believe.
Son-of-Blanda
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, agreed
Janikowski just became the all time leading score holder for the Raiders. He’s also won quite a few games that were FG competitions.
A guy called in to Sirius Blitz with Schein and Gannon this morning
I’d have sworn by his dialogue he was a member of SABP; he asked Gannon some questions, starting with if he though we’d take McNabb or Vick. Schein responded rapidly saying you never know with Oakland. He went on to ask some other questions, but commented that Gannon would have to mend the fences between himself and Al, and that it would take an apology to do so.
Gannon went on to explain, that “The league wants the Raiders to get better, Al Davis wants the Raiders to get better, and I want the Raiders to get better.” He went on to say that he’d apologize to Al if he thought it would help.
The guy was kinda chastising Rich for how he went about it, but in a way he was imploring him to do something. I found it interesting, and am surprised it hasn’t already been discussed. I sent an email to the Siriusblitz@sirius-radio.com, to see if Rich would be so kind to respond to some questions we might have for him.
Let’s see if Mr. Gannon is gracious enough to honor my request… I’ll keep us posted.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
It was pretty clear
That Gannon was making his statements purly for effect. I mean does any respectable QB or coach out there think they can turn Russell around, or even believe the Russell WANTS to turn it around? I think the last few days Gannon has seen his smart-assed comments turn on him so now he’s trying to play it cool. I still respect what he did with the Raiders and believe that he really cares for the orgaization.
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