Bay Area Beatdown: This Time It Means Something
Well, well, well if it isn't the 49ers. While it was just eight weeks ago, in real time, that these teams met in the pre-season, it was light years in NFL time.
Pre-season Week Three, had 49ers fans dreaming of a gold rush in the ripe mountains of the NFC West. Five regular season losses later and the 49ers have yet to find their first nugget. They have already replaced their offensive coordinator, Head Coach Mike Singletary's seat is on fire and QB Alex Smith is well...he's Alex Smith and the David Carr era is probably a bad play away.
At 2-3 the Raiders come into this game in the reasonably expected record range. Although, it took a huge win against the Chargers to do it and in the process keep Cable's seat a little cooler than Singletary's.
The 49ers were supposed to win this year with defense and running the football. This was probably a good strategy since they aren't doing either have failed to win. San Francisco is currently ranked 27th in points allowed, 21st in passing yards allowed and 18th in rushing yards allowed. They are also 30th in rushing yards per game and 25th yards per rush.
Still they are not a hopeless 0-5 team. They have been in three close games and certainly pose some matchup problems for a Raiders team that is still trying to find its defense. This is a huge game for the teams, coaches, QBs and fans. This is a battle for the Bay Area Gold. Will the 49ers finally find it and deposit it or will the Raiders pillage it and sail off in victory?
Let's look at the matchups that will dictate the outcome.
Now that we are in Week 6, there is a good sample size as teams have started to reveal their identities. I will be using a lot more stats in the matchup previews and I rely heavily on Football Outsiders for some advanced stats. For those of you that are familiar with them, hello fellow football geek--for those of you who are not, but may be interested, check out their site it's fascinating--for those of you who don't care about that, just look at the rankings and trust that they are damn good at what they do.
Finders Keepers
Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree vs Raiders Pass D
Even after the pass defense took last week's game off, they are still only allowing a respectable 198 passing yards per game, which is the 10th lowest total in the league. That is a bit of a mirage, however. They are 29th, at 7.7, in yards per attempt and 30th, at 13 yards per completion.
The 49ers have been moving the ball through the air at a decent rate. Alex Smith threw for over three bills last week and on the season they are 11th in the league at 233.6 yards per game. Here is where this matchup gets really dicey.
The 49ers leading WR in yardage is TE Vernon Davis. Third in yardage is Michael Crabtree. Crabtree started off slow, but has had a productive last two games and both of these guys went over 100-yards last week.
The Raiders, according to Football Outsiders, are defending the TEs and #1 WRs worse than any team in the league. These rankings take into account many things, but it is essentially rated on the production allowed to these players compared to their average.
49ers Pass Rush vs Raiders Offensive Line
Maybe, just maybe, some week this will not be to the Raiders opposition's advantage, but--unless you're into asphyxiation--don't hold your breath.
The Raiders did a decent job giving Jason Campbell time to throw last week, but the Chargers almost exclusively rushed only three or four defenders. Two of the three Chargers sacks came after the Raiders failed to identify the blitz properly, which gave the charging Charger a free run at the QB.
On the season the 49ers have 10 sacks and are ranked 11th with a 6.9 percent adjusted sack rate. Jason Campbell's old buddy, Travis LaBoy, leads the way with three sacks.
Meanwhile, the Raiders have given up 16 sacks and are 24th with an 8.5 percent adjusted sack rate.
The Raiders Tackles will again be the key here. They will not only have to identify who to block, but they will also have to possess the foot speed to get in front of the 49ers speedy outside rushers.
Pillaging The Gold
Raiders RBs vs 49ers D
The 49ers have been better on run D than they have at Pass D. They are 10th at yards allowed per attempt at 3.9. Overall their run D is 14th in DVOA ranking.
Still, the Raiders are coming off of two games against upper echelon run Ds and they have more than held their own. Currently, the Raiders are averaging 4.4 yards per carry. Their offensive line is ranked 8th by FO in run blocking.
It is in the passing game, however, where the Raiders backs would appear to have their biggest advantage. FO ranks the 49ers dead last in pass defense against the backs. This should play right into Jason I-love-me-some-checkdowns Campbell's hands.
With or without Darren McFadden the Raiders backs are excellent in the pass game and the Raiders have shown versatility in getting the ball to them through the air. Marcel Reece is a matchup nightmare coming out of the backfield and if Bush and McFadden both do play, the Raiders backfield will be as good as any in the passing game.
Turnovers
A quick look at the stats and it becomes obvious why the 49ers have failed to win a game. They are last in the league with a -10 turnover ratio. They aren't getting them and they are giving them up. They have surrendered the second most turnovers with 15 (nine by INT and six by fumble).
The Raiders only have two INTs on the year and they are licking their chops while looking to force another Smith-Singletary sideline therapy session.
The interesting part of this matchup is the fumbles. The Raiders come into the game even in turnover margin. This is not because they are holding onto the ball. They are 30th in the league, fumbling 2.8 times per game. They are the best team in the league at recovering their own fumbles.
This is not a part of the game a team would like to rely on. It is much better just to hold onto the ball in the first place. The Raiders will need to do that this week and the 49ers may help them. They are last in the league in forcing fumbles.
The 49ers aren't much better at holding onto the ball then the Raiders. They are 28th in the league with 2.4 fumbles per game and the Raiders are better at causing them. At 1.6 fumbles forced per game the Raiders are 16th.
There Will Be Blood
Zach Miller vs 49ers Pass D
The 49ers are giving up 4.8 catches and 45.2 yards per game to opposing tight ends. They have yet to surrender over 50 yards to any single TE. This number looks even better considering they have faced John Carlson, Brent Celek, Jeremy Shockey and Tony Gonzalez. In fact, FO has the 49ers ranked third in pass defense DVOA against TEs.
49ers Run O vs Raiders Run D
This should be a good matchup, but not because it is strength against the strength. The 49ers are only getting 3.7 yards per carry this season--while the Raiders are giving up a vomit inducing 5 yards per carry. FO has the 9ers ranked 19th in run O DVOA and the Raiders 24th in run D DVOA.
Frank Gore torched the Raiders for a long run in the pre-season and the Raiders have already given up their share of long runs in the regular season.
The area to watch will be the runs at the between the Tackles and Guards. FO has the 9ers ranked first in runs on the left side in this area and 5th to the right side. The Raiders are 7th in stopping runs to the left side in this area, but 27th on the right.
How To Leave With The Booty
Like most teams, I am sure the 49ers will test the Raiders run D early and often. The Raiders will have to contain this run game and force Alex Smith to beat them. LaMarr Houston is going to have to show why we all thought he would be a good run stuffing DE.
Trevor Scott performed well at WLB last week in run D against the laboring Mike Tolbert, but looked slow when Ryan Mathews was coming towards the edge. Frank Gore's speed is much close to Mathews than Tolbert's. If Scott again starts at WLB, he will have to take better angles.
When they are passing, the Raiders need to get pressure on Smith. I don't care if it's blitzing or the down lineman--just get there and then go duck hunting.
On offense the Raiders need to keep their running game going. When they do pass, it's simple: Give the QB time to throw. And JaMario Velderson, don't get him killed. I don't want any lineman feeling the need to send, "I'm sorry I almost let your head get ripped off," texts.
Along with being porous defending backs in the passing game, the 9ers are also 32nd in defending 3rd and 4th WRs. Coincidently, the Raiders suck at getting the ball to these guys. When they do spread the field though, they like to put Murphy in the slot. They need to look to exploit him when they do. Also, this would be a great game to try and get Jacoby Ford or Nick Miller the ball in the passing game.
It will also help to not get 12 penalties. Once again, the Raiders are leading the league in penalty yardage. The 49ers, however, are 25th in creating opponent penalties at 5.2 per game.
This game should be interesting. How could it not be? There is a lot on the line for a lot of people involved.
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V for Vendetta
Still griping about this game:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2006100810/2006/REG5/raiders@49ers
I put that game behind me a long time ago...
thanks for the reminder!!! I remember that game like it was yesterday!
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Really I don't get it though
Apparently mostly everybody is picking the Niners on this one:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2006100810/2006/REG5/raiders@49ers
Why? Based on what? The fact that they got to win a game sooner or later, maybe?
I tell ya

Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm sayin
We only had one bad game, played tough against two tough teams in a row, had our quarterback knocked out and a guy from the bench fill in with a solid performance and still won against SD, but no matter what, they’re not going to take us serious because of that Titans game. What else could it be?
jet lag...
Really though I am sure the Raiders tendency to have let down games following a victory is playing a huge factor, but not playing a big enough factor, I think, is the 9ers letdown after a letdown tendency.
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It could be
the overall shittiness the Raiders have had on display for the last 8 years.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Well if that's the case
Then apparently people haven’t noticed how bad the Niners have been:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Francisco_49ers_seasons
Not really that different, especially when you factor in this season.
yep
BUT, for some reason, people find it more entertaining to bash the Raiders. Its always a load of shiite when the media “experts” bring up the Raiders. Pee on them, Oakland is going to kick the Niners asses——-right smack in their own front yard by 30 points, then the media will talk about how the Niners were “flat”. Suits me, though, I like it when people hate on Oakland, it shows me that they care.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Yup. I'm surprised people are surprised...
I like it right where we are as predictions go. They don’t mean shit, really.
I think the preseason outcome first team versus first team influences the scuttlebutt on the niner’s winning this game.
I also think we really haven’t done much for anyone to think this team is so different from the one that lost 11 or more games for eight years. I hope we see improvement where necessary this week, and the heart that was demonstrated last week to carry us through that win, because it was mostly heart that did it. It certainly wasn’t execution on offense or defense, save for Bush’s heroic performance, and the lineman that showed up on run plays.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Does a bear shit in the woods?
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
We're not playing the Bears
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh come on! All I get is an oh for that?
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally not one of those days, dude. Not really switching on all gears if you catch my drift.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
That sucks...it'll pass. It always does.
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
what's the difference?
(niners and bears if you didn’t catch it)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Tell that to Singletary
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya
If we win, people will say, “Oh you beat a winless team. Big deal.” If they win, mad props, I’m sure.
Always happens, but outside the Bay Area, And we damn sure don't give a Fuck what they think !!!
Far as the Bay Area is concerned, This is WAR !!! A friendly war, but war none the less !!! Monday after the game, you can go to work with chest out, and your head held high, and rubbing their nose’s in the loss, and that goes for both sides. Bets are being made right , now as we type !!!! Fuck that trap game shit !!! Go in and take no prisoners, kick in the nuts while their down, show NO MERCY !!! And I like the 9’nrs, long as they’re not playing us !!!!
Sidenote: Do we take a run at LIGHTs OUT ?? The Chargers HAVE to Cut HIM, when healthy, and he say’s he not signing back with them. It seems like he’s been in the league, forever, but he’s only a 5 yr. vet., with 3 good yrs, and 2 bad, due to injury and other BS !!! Him coming off the edge, in 2 weeks in the Silver & Black,(minor calf injury) Works for me, in spite of his BUTTHEAD attitude !!! But if he put’s on the S&B, he wouldn’t be that big of a butthead, now would he ? I hope it’s true, that Him and Seymour are buddy, buddy !!!
No. He's shit, especially off the roids
and because he took roids. We’re good on D line and at backer. How ’bout McNeill maybe?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
McNeill is preppin to sign a 5 year deal, dammit
According to the always accurate, never wrong folks at ESBS
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 14, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
As usual win can't win in the press,
so let’s win the F-ing ballgame. I’d much rather be magnanimous to the niners fans after a win, rather than here, “We may suck but we beat you twice”
The O-line has to block, like they did Sunday !!!
No word on Gradz yet ???? Truefully, I think he might be done, for a while. Get use to it !!
We need to pretend that Bruce is healthy
And then bring in Campbell so the 49ers can’t game plan against him all week. It’s worth the NFL fine.
@WorldBLee
Thing is
Grad is most likely still injured, and there’d be no sense throwing him out there where he’ll screw the shoulder up further.
Inaccurate
Every QB played in that game. Hell, JP frickin Losman got in. I believe that was when Bruce got the first MCL injured.
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 14, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The Bronco game was started by Charlie Frye.
Bruce was knocked out of the Redskins game after the Steelers game. Frye was knocked out of the Broncos game, replaced by JP Losman who was also knocked out then replaced by he who shall not be named who ended up saving us with a dramatic last second touchdown pass to Chazz “chicken legs” Schillens.
"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin
I figured he could just look at our schedule from last year.
"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin
Arrgh *FACEPALM*
Forgot Bruce missed that one. Blaming it on 3 hrs sleep in 72 hr period. If I remember right now (probably don’t) Bruce missed that one and came back the following week.
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 16, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Philly, 13-9 courtesy of a double block by Louis Murphy
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 14, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
One-Man-Convoy ... Murph is due for something big Sunday
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted no
Because I’m hoping our WRs will put in an appearance this game, make some damn plays, and we can actually spread it around.
by rightnasty on Oct 13, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Clemmons can be got !!!
By either Murph, or DHB, if they run the right plays for them, Straight Fly Patterns, that way they take Golston deep, leaving the Middle for Zac to eat their LB’s up!!! Zac gonna get his !!!
Gonna be a pillage by the bay.
If we blitz we will go up early. The boo birds come out. Miller has a huge day needless to say. Bush will smash his way to a c note. Backs will have a huge day recieving. The icing on the cake would be DHB having a long TD recept while crabtree tears up on the sidelines!! Raiders 31-24
by PIMPY a.k.a focheezay on Oct 13, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions
Crabs will try to prove how wrong we were in choosing DuHB - he may have a huge day and if Alex Smith
is given too much time, Goston can get behind everyone. I am not anywhere as giddy as many in the Nation are today. I hope the team is approaching this game with grim seriousness.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 13, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because their 0-5, don't mean shit !!!
Matter of Fact, because their 0-5, we have to play Smart on the Offense & Aggresive on the Defense !!!!
This could be the toughest game we'll have yet
Their strength against our weakness. I hope to see a different team than we’ve seen thus far in many aspects, especially offensive execution.
We’re looking too much like last year’s team in a lot of offensive categories that ultimate lead to a reflection on the defensive categories that we saw all to much of last year.
We have to:
1. Score on the opening drive.
2. Put them away when we have the chance.
3. Fire up the defense with some consistent offensive execution and scoring, and we’re completely capable.
In order to do so, we’ll have to be cognizant that we don’t have adequate blocking, and call plays that take that into account.
This is why this game will be as tough a game as the Tennessee debacle. None of us know that we have put this shit behind us yet. I hope we have.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Battle of the Bay
OHHHH its on and its The Real Deal Holy Field You niners are going down hard end of story.
anyone listen to Steve Young on KNBR???
he was say that the locker room isnt buying what the coaches “mike” is saying because of their losing record… he said when you lose that much, you start to question everything, including the coaches… he kept referring to the niners as “we” are 0-5 and made it sound like the team was desperate for a win or some type of change and when the team is desperate they began to start press and force plays.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
wheres this wounded animal talk coming from???
niners are a wounded animal? if thats the case, step on its throat, cock the barrel and squeeze the trigger… put them to sleep!
and i think that should be the mentality the raiders should have come sunday. Pure killer instinct. %100 commitment to executing on all phases of the game. including the fans out there.
im gonna be there and i wanna start the “we want carr” chant… whos with me?
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Have some of you been voting in a Niners thread?
Cause otherwise, confidence is lukewarm over there.
Think'n luke warm might be and understatement ...
… for me i still think it get’s turn’d around , for other’s they want to trade everyone except Andy Lee… ( He’s our best player by the way ) … never would of thought 0 – 5 to start the season , but hope this is the week , luck to you all and no injuries …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Really?
Because I did see some people in your forum who seemed awfully confident about the game, that the Niners were going to blow us out? No?
Well most of the true Niner fan's are stick'n , but alot have jump'd ship already ...
… so the few of us that still have hope are being confident some more so then other’s , the true ignorant fan’s spew doubt and hate after only Five game’s , i guess time will tell, peace to all …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I'm gonna take a guess that Andy Lee is your punter
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 14, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Raiders.....
stay focused and play their game and dont take a hungry fairly talented 0-5 team for granted they should get the win. If anyone thinks that this is some cakewalk they are wrong!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
Bongsmoke
i think we can expose there secondary with Zmiller
i like spencer and clements but i dont think mays hasnt grasp the speed of the game and is playing off instinct. so if we can take an advantage of that, i think we can win a close one
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
im tryna find out when and if the raiders played some 3-4 vs the chargers last sunday?
i cant seem to find it… i watched the game twice already and i cant find it. someone had posted that we played a some 3-4 and ive been looking for it….
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
wasted draft choices
just who is responsible for drafting that slow white kid at linebacker!! i’m talking about goethel…he hasn’t even suited up yet for the season and we have to pay his entire 2010 salary since management wasn’t smart enough to cut him and then re-sign him. believe me he would have cleared waivers since our genius scouts are the only people that think he can play in the league! what do my bay brothers think!! i want answers!
Didn't you watch Travis Goethel play against Chicago, SF or Seattle in preseason?
Goethel is a beast with the ball instincts and maturity of a veteran. Can’t say anything negative about Ricky Brown after his play Sunday – but, if you’d asked me Saturday, I’d say Goethel is our #2 MLB without question (once he recovers).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 13, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta hit it and start my shift but let me finish by saying thelylealzadopunch has a good take on all of our players that are out. here is his take and pay attention to what he says about goethel
.Bennett I give a pass too because he is not first on the list at the wrong end of the broken bottle in the fight we have every week.
Gallery……………………….. this fat fuck was suppose to be a stud LT and after 3 ok years of on and off the IR I say cut the fat.
Goethel put him on the IR WTF? Is the GM (who is the GM) this retarded (sorry that would be insulting to you retards out there)Big John Henderson is worth the wait and if we give all of these passes to the rest of the gimps on this team that have done baby shit for us I say give him an extension and cut fat ass bloated contract Kelly. Put him on the IR for a few weeks. If you want I can fly down and give my own assessment for a very modest fee and I am on the money just ask the people I treat.
Thomassssss Howeird well buddy suck it up and do what you are suppose to do. What did the pine from the bench bite into your knee. Put him on the IR for as man games as required and put………………lemme see………………..um Spirals as his replacement.
Oh here we go save the 2 best (worst) for last.
Mr. McBroken can go on the IR for 2 weeks and rub some dirt in it. After a period we trade the eggshell shit for a serviceable OT (bye bye fatass Mario or Walker) and a pick or 2
Mr. Shitlens can be set free with the rest of the bird frames out there. Yes I know you Schillens blower……I mean supporters think he has AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of this HUGE potential well guess what? He has played only 66% of the games he has been around for. How many of those has he been suited and not played who knows. Set the fucker free and let him go on his own> I have potential to be a world class power lifter (maybe) but guess what? I am not. Time to to cut the cord and ween this bitch from the Raider teet from which he suckles a massive salary for little or no production.
Now a little sidebar.
AD I love you and your maverick ways. The way you told Rozelle to fuck himself and did how you want. 20+ years later after watching Plunkett throw those wounded ducks in the air, I say time to let it go.
We need someone that sees past speed and strength. We need O linemen, QBs with more IQ points than my ex wife, WRs that can run more than 50 yards without gimping out. We need coaches that have more than high school experience and loyalty to offer.
Godammnit I want to win and stop having people say "I am sorry" when I tell them I am a Raider fan.
Goddamn fuck shit cocksucker……………………… ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Sorry had to do it. GO RAIDERS!
by a2coolraider on Oct 13, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I read that already
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 13, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It was not in regards to Goethel's play
If you bothered to check in on this team last year, we kept Nick Miller active until the season was essentially done. He’s not mad at Goethel, he’s mad that a guy who’s done for the season is taking up a roster space we could use to pick up, say, an OL that we desperately need.
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 14, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
correct on thelylealzadopunch, he makes a good point, if in a somewhat unhinged manner but i like his enthusiasm
a2coolraider does not seem to like wasting draft picks on “slow white guys” and thinks nobody but our scouts think goethel can play in this league, both of which are ridiculous points
he must have loved the draft picks of
john bowie
carlos francis
johnathan holland
johnnie lee higgins
i would like to draft some more guys who actually are good at playing football, i don’t give a shit what color they are
oh yeay they totally wasted a 5th rounder on that guy that the coaches love
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what we should have done was cut goethel and then sign him after waivers cause once he got hurt we could cut him again and not waste his salary!! this kid is an absolute waste of a body when we need speed at linebacker!!!
by a2coolraider on Oct 13, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They can cut him anytime they want. If they cut him when he is injured
they still owe him while he recovers.
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
good point, effective linebackers have to be super-fast and black
that’s why thomas howard’s a four-time all pro
by lchristmas on Oct 13, 2010 8:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What's your agenda?
Anyway, Howard’s an OLB and Goethel is MLB as long as we’re playing 4-3
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 13, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
my agenda is "Just Win Baby!!"
i’m saying that we need better talent evaluators for the draft, end of story!
by a2coolraider on Oct 13, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
McClains playing 55 of 60 snaps a game and Ricky Brown's taking the other 5
so we haven’t suffered from having an inactive 3rd MLB per se. But I know you’re thinking we could make a roster spot for someone, right? But, we would need that to be a MLB (we keep 3) and Goethel is better than anyone we could pick up on the waiver wire.
We all want to win but have different ideas of how that is best achieved. Obviously the coaches (and I for one) think Goethel is one of those players worth hanging on to.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 13, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Now is not the time to be righteous about a run D ranked 31st.
Goethel is a nice back-up to have around.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum
by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Oct 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Breaking news!!!
the McRib is Back!!! LOL
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Oct 13, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ciao. and remember, we had a hot hand in this draft and didn't fuck it up (including Travis Goethel)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 13, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point, I think I am most worried about Bruce from the draft.
I haven’t given up on him, it just worries me that he hasn’t even sniffed playing time yet.
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 13, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Read the inside the raiders fanshot, sounds like he'll be playing soon
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Cool, thanks.
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
by Rich Langford on Oct 14, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point on keeping penalties down
It’s going to happen though. I get the feeling this one will be closer than we want but we’ll still win. Road rage!
No Respect
On Tuesday I was anxious to see the latest power rankings, expecting to see the Raiders move up at least 8 spots. To my surprise, teams like the seahawks, cowboys and niners were ranked higher than the Raiders. You heard me right I said the NINERS, how could an 0-5 team be ranked higher than our Raiders? Some might argue; well the niners played tough against the world champ Saints! Didnt the saints just lose to the cardinals, the same cardinals that we should have beat in week 3. My conclusion: Absolutly no RESPECT!! Every time the Raiders win I turn to ESPN for some highlights but yet they only tell you bout the reasons the reaider opponet lost the game. When we beat the chargers they said, well the chargers always start 2-3, bullshit, chargers were beat by a hungry, tough Raider squad!! Stand tall Raider fans, the Raiders will make all the critics swollow their words. Lets go Silver n Black!!!!!!!!!!
by 1nation_agroove on Oct 13, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions
We've been an island for the last decade, it shouldn't come as a shock that were not the poster
boys for ESPN. Even when we’re winning, we don’t get respect, that’s the nature of the Raiders.
We do things our way, in our time when we decide to. The NFL has long been an enemy to the Raiders and vice versa. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I don’t pay attention to the talking heads anymore, bro, it’s a waste of time, just stick to the local media about the Raiders, that’ll give your fix and more accurate info.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum
by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Oct 14, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
+1 Screw ESPN
they are an east coast network interested in east coast teams. They will only recognize the Raiders when we’ve kicked the shit out of everybody and won the Superbowl! end of story. Who wouldn’t love to see that?
Who cares what they think?
If it’s not Favre-gate week 6, Rob Ryan yelling “LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!” or Dallas doing something, even fucking losing they are very weak in their coverage. You would think considering they are the accessible sports outlet they would be a little more efficient at their coverage of all 32 teams. I prefer to watch NFL network particularly playbook. With the exception of Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp all of their analysts and beat writers are usually spot on with Raiders news and observations.
"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin
I'm guessing that was a Freudian slip about Rex Ryan of the jest, not former Raider D and current Browns DC Rob
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Oct 16, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions

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